Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-07 06.33: as you have not been quitting the role of the Marketing Project Lead, it's still you who is responsible for the MP budget. thank you! Given the current words I read on various mailing lists, I am not so sure if a decision solely by me would be accepted anymore. Of course we have to discuss sooner or later how to proceed in case TDF and OOo will go different ways in the future, but this is out of the scope of this thread. Hopefully, also not the right time yet. I agree... Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
On 10/06/2010 05:29 AM, Alex Fisher wrote: Secondly, Libre Office!? You might not understand the meaning. I do, both in the OSS sense *and* in the sense conveyed by the original tongue... You might not know how to pronounce it. I probably pronounce it better than you do. I speak French quite well, with less of an accent than most Anglophones. And because of that, I also read and comprehend at a reasonable level the other 3 major members of the Romance group (I've not so far found any need to try my hand at Romanian, the fifth member of the group). I also speak some German, which also enables me to read and make sense of most of the Germanic languages (I have not so far taken much notice of Icelandic). I even speak Finnish, and can read a some Hebrew and Greek. But both of those are solvable issues. No, only the first is. Branding is a black art. And? When a new brand is created, most of the money spent on naming it, goes to trademark searches, and determining if there are pre-existing negative, or obscene connotations to the proposed name, in languages that might be used where the new brand is to be marketed. I'm fully aware of all that. Your point is? would apply to virtually all other non-Romance languages. Any name that is chosen is going to have issues with people not being able to pronounce it, or not knowing what it means. Try this sentence: Sebeqabele gqi thapha bathi nguqo ngqothwane. So? If you learned to speak that language prior to age six, there is a 25% probability that you won't be able to pronounce that sentence correctly. If you didn't learn to speak that language prior to age six, you won't be able to pronounce it correctly. Maybe, maybe not. Some linguists suggest the age of 8 as the age at which pronunciations and stress patterns become set, actually. Could you spell i-ofisi ekhululekileyo correctly? [I'm fairly confident that you couldn't pronounce it correctly.] You might be surprised. That is what LibO would be called, if that language were used, rather than the Romance languages that are used. Ag, maybe somebody would give dem yankees a break, and use vula i-ofisi instead. They still couldn't pronounce it, but they might be able to spell it. The choice of Libre immediately gives me the impression that the whole thing People can learn new words. If they want to. The average end user in most cases probably just couldn't care less (or, for the USAians, could care less.) People can learn new meanings to existing words. see above... Governments have used Orwellian NewSpeak for decades, to make their crimes sound more palatable. I have trouble believing the figures put forward. Bear in mind that the Community Council is *not* the entire community. The Developers are *not* the entire community. They are *part* of the community, and *only* part of it. The Community Council represents the users. That is how it is supposed to be. But that also implies some sort of consultation, which is completely lacking here The Developers are the people that work on the product. Take a look at who registered the various LibreOffice domain names. And look at how fast those domain names were registered. That (the hasty registration of domain names) only serves to increase my level of suspicion relating to the motivation. [One reason why the formation of Document Foundation, and LibreOffice had to kept under wraps, was to minimize domain name cybersquatting.] There could (and should) still have been much more consultation outside the CC and devs than there was. Such could have been achieved without prematurely revealing the putative names favoured by the breakaways. To the vast majority of people who comprise the community, this announcement would have come as a complete shock. It would have been a shock only to those people who don't pay any attention to the Community Council list, or the developer list. Really? And what percentage of the community reads these lists? And which developer list(s) do you refer to? By July 2010, it was clear that OOo developers, community council, and users would declare independence from Oracle. The only issue was when. No, it was *not* clear. I've been following these sagas through several different media Once OpenIndiana was announced, it should have been obvious to everybody that OOo was the next community project that Oracle would lose. Not obvious. Several online sources reported the birth of that group. Those I read also speculated on the fate of other things within Oracle. OO.o was not mentioned by any of them. OTOH, Java was jonathon I still remain to be convinced that this is really what the majority of the community (which must include end-users and others who have any involvement with OO.o (the product), not just the developers and marketeers) truly wants to see happen. My personal concern is that this move
[marketing] birthday cake [WAS: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
Hi all, On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote: My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for OO.o. IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the market share of Microsoft Office. Nope. -louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] birthday cake
I'd like to focus attention on a fairly urgent matter. Specifically, the baking of the traditional cake, this time with 10 candles, to represent our 10th anniversary. OOo celebrated this birthday in Budapest last month, and there were even (coincidental, to be sure) fireworks and a huge cake, thanks to Rosana and Péter's team. It was, for all there and for those who could view the pictures, a lot of fun. The tenth birthday, though, is actually 12 October. In the past, the community composed of the Website team (which I used to lead) and the Marketing/Art teams made the image. Obviously, there has been considerable discussion on related issues. But this is quite simple. We need a cake (or at least want one) and we need for it to do what birthday cakes always do: be pretty and show that there is some grace left in life for now and in the future. best, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] birthday cake [WAS: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com wrote: Hi all, On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote: My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for OO.o. IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the market share of Microsoft Office. Nope. simple question; Oracle forked RHEL (and shamelessly promoting that faked spin as UNBREAKABLE Linux only with the latest kernel) Due to this poor approach making any advantage for Microsoft Server Market? One of the best thing I love in FOSS is choice. Let community to chose what they want. This will be a good chance to see more cool features and enhanced HCI from FOSS Office applications. :) Still Oracle have a chance to be a good boy in the family of FOSS. Best Regards, Danishka -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka
Re: [marketing] birthday cake [WAS: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
Dear all, I am really wondering what this verbal crusade against Oracle and its employees is all about? This all reminds me too much of Middle Ages campaigns. Is that what you call social responsibility and soft skills? Here is maybe an appropriate quote: Stop telling how good you are. Be good! Regards, Andreas Am 07.10.2010 um 10:11 schrieb Danishka Navin: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com wrote: Hi all, On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote: My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for OO.o. IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the market share of Microsoft Office. Nope. simple question; Oracle forked RHEL (and shamelessly promoting that faked spin as UNBREAKABLE Linux only with the latest kernel) Due to this poor approach making any advantage for Microsoft Server Market? One of the best thing I love in FOSS is choice. Let community to chose what they want. This will be a good chance to see more cool features and enhanced HCI from FOSS Office applications. :) Still Oracle have a chance to be a good boy in the family of FOSS. Best Regards, Danishka -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka Andreas Bartel | User Experience Engineer Phone: +49 (0)40 236 46 - 672 Oracle OFFICE GBU ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] birthday cake [WAS: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Andreas Bartel andreas.bar...@oracle.comwrote: Dear all, I am really wondering what this verbal crusade against Oracle and its employees is all about? This all reminds me too much of Middle Ages campaigns. Is that what you call social responsibility and soft skills? Here is maybe an appropriate quote: Stop telling how good you are. Be good! I did not say anything to *...@oracle.com but Oracle. I do not have any personal issues with any of you. and you are appointed by Oracle to continue with OO.org with the community. I just gave an example related to Oracle. I know nobody want to listen any thing against his/her company as they love it... btw, I was replying to Louis and its obvious this move can gain more community to get MS Office. Regards, Andreas Am 07.10.2010 um 10:11 schrieb Danishka Navin: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com wrote: Hi all, On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote: My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for OO.o. IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the market share of Microsoft Office. Nope. simple question; Oracle forked RHEL (and shamelessly promoting that faked spin as UNBREAKABLE Linux only with the latest kernel) Due to this poor approach making any advantage for Microsoft Server Market? One of the best thing I love in FOSS is choice. Let community to chose what they want. This will be a good chance to see more cool features and enhanced HCI from FOSS Office applications. :) Still Oracle have a chance to be a good boy in the family of FOSS. Best Regards, Danishka -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka Andreas Bartel | User Experience Engineer Phone: +49 (0)40 236 46 - 672 Oracle OFFICE GBU ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka
Re: [marketing] birthday cake [WAS: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Andreas Bartel andreas.bar...@oracle.comwrote: Dear all, I am really wondering what this verbal crusade against Oracle and its employees is all about? This all reminds me too much of Middle Ages campaigns. Is that what you call social responsibility and soft skills? Here is maybe an appropriate quote: Stop telling how good you are. Be good! I did not say anything to *...@oracle.com but Oracle. I do not have any personal issues with any of you. and you are appointed by Oracle to continue with OO.org with the community. I just gave an example related to Oracle. I know nobody want to listen any thing against his/her company as they love it... btw, I was replying to Louis. its obvious that new move will be reaching better possession in the Office application market share. Regards, Andreas Am 07.10.2010 um 10:11 schrieb Danishka Navin: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com wrote: Hi all, On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote: My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for OO.o. IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the market share of Microsoft Office. Nope. simple question; Oracle forked RHEL (and shamelessly promoting that faked spin as UNBREAKABLE Linux only with the latest kernel) Due to this poor approach making any advantage for Microsoft Server Market? One of the best thing I love in FOSS is choice. Let community to chose what they want. This will be a good chance to see more cool features and enhanced HCI from FOSS Office applications. :) Still Oracle have a chance to be a good boy in the family of FOSS. Best Regards, Danishka -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka Andreas Bartel | User Experience Engineer Phone: +49 (0)40 236 46 - 672 Oracle OFFICE GBU ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka
