[marketing] Who can speak publically for OpenOffice.org

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

although being not on duty, at least at the moment, I feel responsible 
for sharing this discussion with you. I know that some of you are also 
involved with The Document Foundation and LibreOffice, or might be 
interested to do so.


I don't want to start a discussion here, nor blame anyone - we all know 
these are not easy times.


I also don't know if that discussion from the Council session affects 
MarCons - but anyways, I wanted to share this with you, should there be 
discussions regarding MarCons roles in the future. Basically, during the 
council meetings, there have been concerns that those having a strong 
relationship to TDF should not speak on behalf of OpenOffice.org.


As stated, I'm sure things will turn out well for the future in one way 
or another, but to prevent surprises, I wanted to share this with you.


Florian

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Subject: [project leads] Re: Problem with QA tests and release of OOo 3.3.0
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 01:13:31 +0200
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Hi,

Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote on 2010-10-16 00.49:

I am shocked by what I have read in the minutes of the last Community
Council.
The minutes are there :
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Log_20101014#Community_Council_Session
It is about to force the members of the Community Council which are also
member of the Document Foundation, to leave their seat at the Community
Council under the pretext of an alleged conflict of interest.


to be precisely, it obviously affects not only the members of the
Community Council, but everyone who has a representing role in the
Community.

If I understood it correctly, it also affects Charles, me (being at
least temporarily not on duty, cf. my mail from a few days ago), and
probably everyone else who speaks in public on behalf of OpenOffice.org.

After I temporarily gave up on the role of the Marketing Budget Holder,
all the authorizers have been removed by the treasurer as well, although
they did not suspend their roles neither permanently nor temporarily:
http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=budget&msgNo=255

Hopefully the chat between Cor and Martin will clarify some things, but
looking at the current status, it looks pretty much like a lot of people
will not be eligible, so to say, to speak on behalf of OpenOffice.org
anymore.

Florian 

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Re: [marketing] status of certification and training

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Florian Effenberger  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> also a short update from my side, to make handing over the tasks easier.
>
> There have been discussions with Mike and Paul from ALISON. They have been
> in touch since 2009, and Mike also had a talk in Orvieto.
>
> As you can imagine, in the current situation, I cannot work on the topic of
> OpenOffice.org certifications, so I just wanted to keep you in the loop and
> remind that there's a work item.
>
> If there is anyone who wants to work on the topic, Peter has a proposal by
> ALISON and has been in touch with them.
>

Hi florian, these lists are exipired since the certification project moved
into it's own project at d...@certification.openoffice.org

However I'll be happy to talk with Peter and Mark. Let me know how can I
help.


>
> Florian
>
>
> Ian wrote on 2010-09-15 14.38:
>
>  On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 13:21 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> last week, I had a phone call with Mike and Paul from ALISON - some of
>>> you may remember Mike very well from the talk he held at OOoCon 2009 in
>>> Orvieto.
>>>
>>> They were (and are) interested in supporting and joining our efforts for
>>> certification and training, and will come up with a more detailed
>>> proposal. They have the required framework as well as lots of expertise
>>> in their area.
>>>
>>> Many of you know that I'm not only buried in work :-) but also that
>>> certification and training is not my area of working. I know Mike has
>>> been in contact with Alexandro, and probably Louis, and we all know that
>>> the certification issue has been idling around for a very long time.
>>>
>>> Can someone bring me up to date on what's happening in that area
>>> currently? Is there already a group working on it that likes to get in
>>> touch with ALISON?
>>>
>>
>> There is a group in the certification project that includes Alexandro,
>> Evan, myself, Gabriel Gurley and Manfred Reiter. We have already put the
>> unit assessment criteria on the project Wiki and we applied for an EU
>> grant to support development. Unfortunately that was not successful but
>> from the feedback it looks like we can fix that for next year. (We have
>> been successful in two other similar applications in other areas) I have
>> approval from the UK Sector Skills Council to develop a version of the
>> ITQ national vocational qualification for IT Users to fit OOo - It will
>> be called Award in IT User Skills (Openoffice.org) and be accredited in
>> the UK National Qualifications framework. This framework is one of the
>> first to be referenced to the European Qualifications framework so that
>> employers throughout Europe will recognise its value. Once we do this in
>> the UK, we will apply again for a transfer of innovation grant to
>> transfer this to other EU partner countries and should be able to get a
>> grant of around 300,000 Euros to pay for training, travel etc. In
>> addition to the EU links, we have established contacts in Malaysia with
>> a joint project with UPSI, the biggest teacher training university
>> there. We have a pilot in Kenya, and established links in USA through
>> the National Center for Open Source in Education, South Africa and
>> India.
>>
>> Our target is to have the qualification fully accredited through the UK
>> government regulators by January, then we can start training assessors
>> and apply for a supporting transfer of innovation grant to support and
>> accelerate that work next year. We need to agree with the community how
>> to provide revenue to the project from accredited certification. In the
>> UK, courses leading to accredited qualifications are funded those that
>> are not aren't so it is important to be accredited.
>>
>>  I'm sure that details on certification and training have to be
>>> determined -- I'm all for having things in community hands instead of at
>>> a single corporation -- but I guess that having some external support
>>> and input is highly welcome.
>>>
>>
>> I'm currently talking to a large UK exam board with a 200 million Euro
>> turnover. If this works out they are an exempted charity focused on
>> education so there will be no need to worry about single corporations.
>>
>>
>>  Let me know if you are involved or interested.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Florian
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [marketing] status of certification and training

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

also a short update from my side, to make handing over the tasks easier.

There have been discussions with Mike and Paul from ALISON. They have 
been in touch since 2009, and Mike also had a talk in Orvieto.


As you can imagine, in the current situation, I cannot work on the topic 
of OpenOffice.org certifications, so I just wanted to keep you in the 
loop and remind that there's a work item.


If there is anyone who wants to work on the topic, Peter has a proposal 
by ALISON and has been in touch with them.


Florian


Ian wrote on 2010-09-15 14.38:

On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 13:21 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hello,

last week, I had a phone call with Mike and Paul from ALISON - some of
you may remember Mike very well from the talk he held at OOoCon 2009 in
Orvieto.

They were (and are) interested in supporting and joining our efforts for
certification and training, and will come up with a more detailed
proposal. They have the required framework as well as lots of expertise
in their area.

Many of you know that I'm not only buried in work :-) but also that
certification and training is not my area of working. I know Mike has
been in contact with Alexandro, and probably Louis, and we all know that
the certification issue has been idling around for a very long time.

Can someone bring me up to date on what's happening in that area
currently? Is there already a group working on it that likes to get in
touch with ALISON?


There is a group in the certification project that includes Alexandro,
Evan, myself, Gabriel Gurley and Manfred Reiter. We have already put the
unit assessment criteria on the project Wiki and we applied for an EU
grant to support development. Unfortunately that was not successful but
from the feedback it looks like we can fix that for next year. (We have
been successful in two other similar applications in other areas) I have
approval from the UK Sector Skills Council to develop a version of the
ITQ national vocational qualification for IT Users to fit OOo - It will
be called Award in IT User Skills (Openoffice.org) and be accredited in
the UK National Qualifications framework. This framework is one of the
first to be referenced to the European Qualifications framework so that
employers throughout Europe will recognise its value. Once we do this in
the UK, we will apply again for a transfer of innovation grant to
transfer this to other EU partner countries and should be able to get a
grant of around 300,000 Euros to pay for training, travel etc. In
addition to the EU links, we have established contacts in Malaysia with
a joint project with UPSI, the biggest teacher training university
there. We have a pilot in Kenya, and established links in USA through
the National Center for Open Source in Education, South Africa and
India.

Our target is to have the qualification fully accredited through the UK
government regulators by January, then we can start training assessors
and apply for a supporting transfer of innovation grant to support and
accelerate that work next year. We need to agree with the community how
to provide revenue to the project from accredited certification. In the
UK, courses leading to accredited qualifications are funded those that
are not aren't so it is important to be accredited.


I'm sure that details on certification and training have to be
determined -- I'm all for having things in community hands instead of at
a single corporation -- but I guess that having some external support
and input is highly welcome.


I'm currently talking to a large UK exam board with a 200 million Euro
turnover. If this works out they are an exempted charity focused on
education so there will be no need to worry about single corporations.



Let me know if you are involved or interested.

Thanks,
Florian






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Re: [marketing] What's New Guide needed!?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Florian Effenberger wrote on 2010-09-06 12.29:


thanks! Do we already have a compilation of all the other new features
available? These pages

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Features#Features_planned_for_OOo_3.3_.28Third_quarter_2010.29


http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Feature_Freeze_Testing_3.3

can serve as a good starter. Anyone volunteers to make a nice list out
of it?


I'm currently working on some old e-mail, to keep Peter and Louis in the 
loop and making the handover of tasks easier.


So, Peter, Louis, this needs work. I tried to coordinate after OOoCon, 
but the feedback has been rather low.


As you can imagine, at least in the current situation, I cannot work on 
this, but will rather work on the LibO feature list on the 
market...@libo mailing list and wiki. All content created there will be 
under a free license, so maybe we can all benefit from each other.


Thanks for all the work that has gone into this already!

Florian

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Re: [marketing] When disaster strikes :-( - WAS: [marcon] Temporarily suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead

[Peter Junge]

Graham Lauder wrote:

On Wednesday 13 Oct 2010 21:30:14 Peter Junge wrote:

Hi Florian, everyone,

I will not be able to take the role as Acting OpenOffice.org Marketing
Project Lead. Unfortunately, I have been injuring one of my fingers
recently and will have an operation by tomorrow morning. Consequently, I
will be on a "sick leave" for several weeks, as I will be strongly
handicapped to write e-mails etc.

Best regards,
Peter


What?  Peter, no email ok that's a stressor, :)  We'll miss your words of 
wisdom, I'll resist the temptation to send any mails requiring long involved 
replies.  Only those with +1 or -1 replies.  :)


+1 ;-)



Cheers
GL
 


Florian Effenberger wrote:

Dear OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Members,
Dear OpenOffice.org Marketing Contacts,
Dear Community Members,

all of you have heard the news about the announcement of The Document
Foundation. You might have also seen the discussion about this
announcement, and a few raised concerns on the public OpenOffice.org
mailing lists especially about the role of the OpenOffice.org Marketing
Project Lead.

The feedback that we as group on the one side, and I as individual on
the other side have received, has been extremely positive, encouraging
this so very important step for our Community. Not only our users and
lots of enterprises and public entities worldwide reacted enormously
positive, but, most important to me, especially many Community Members
show their strong support for the way to a Foundation -- and so I very
much feel that with this I am speaking for the Community that voted me
as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead.

In order to help things settle down, I hereby, effective immediately,
announce that I will temporarily suspend my role as OpenOffice.org
Marketing Project Lead until version 3.3 of OpenOffice.org has been
released. I will hand over all daily tasks to Peter Junge. As Co-Lead,
he is the one to step in during times when I'm not available, so he will
be the main contact for marketing and press during this time.

To avoid conflicts of interest, when I have to market LibreOffice and
OpenOffice.org at the same time, I will focus my work on the marketing
mailing list of The Document Foundation during this time.

As I am sure that things will have been sorted out after that period. By
temporarily suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead,
I hope I can help in contributing to the success of what we as Community
built up during the past decade, and will shape during the next.

I very much look forward to our future collaboration and cooperation.

Florian

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Re: [marketing] When disaster strikes :-( - WAS: [marcon] Temporarily suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead

[Peter Junge]

Thanks a lot!

Peter

Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote:

  I hope you will recover soon!

All the best!


KAMI

2010-10-13 10:30 keltezéssel, Peter Junge írta:

Hi Florian, everyone,

I will not be able to take the role as Acting OpenOffice.org Marketing 
Project Lead. Unfortunately, I have been injuring one of my fingers 
recently and will have an operation by tomorrow morning. Consequently, 
I will be on a "sick leave" for several weeks, as I will be strongly 
handicapped to write e-mails etc.


Best regards,
Peter

Florian Effenberger wrote:

Dear OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Members,
Dear OpenOffice.org Marketing Contacts,
Dear Community Members,

all of you have heard the news about the announcement of The Document 
Foundation. You might have also seen the discussion about this 
announcement, and a few raised concerns on the public OpenOffice.org 
mailing lists especially about the role of the OpenOffice.org 
Marketing Project Lead.


The feedback that we as group on the one side, and I as individual on 
the other side have received, has been extremely positive, 
encouraging this so very important step for our Community. Not only 
our users and lots of enterprises and public entities worldwide 
reacted enormously positive, but, most important to me, especially 
many Community Members show their strong support for the way to a 
Foundation -- and so I very much feel that with this I am speaking 
for the Community that voted me as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project 
Lead.


In order to help things settle down, I hereby, effective immediately, 
announce that I will temporarily suspend my role as OpenOffice.org 
Marketing Project Lead until version 3.3 of OpenOffice.org has been 
released. I will hand over all daily tasks to Peter Junge. As 
Co-Lead, he is the one to step in during times when I'm not 
available, so he will be the main contact for marketing and press 
during this time.


To avoid conflicts of interest, when I have to market LibreOffice and 
OpenOffice.org at the same time, I will focus my work on the 
marketing mailing list of The Document Foundation during this time.


As I am sure that things will have been sorted out after that period. 
By temporarily suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project 
Lead, I hope I can help in contributing to the success of what we as 
Community built up during the past decade, and will shape during the 
next.


I very much look forward to our future collaboration and cooperation.

Florian



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Re: [marketing] When disaster strikes :-( - WAS: [marcon] Temporarily suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead

[Peter Junge]

Thanks a lot!

Christoph Noack wrote:

Hi Peter,

all the best ... and please, get well soon!

Christoph

Am Mittwoch, den 13.10.2010, 10:57 +0200 schrieb Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai:

I hope you will recover soon!

All the best!


KAMI

2010-10-13 10:30 keltezéssel, Peter Junge írta: 
Hi Florian, everyone, 


I will not be able to take the role as Acting OpenOffice.org
Marketing Project Lead. Unfortunately, I have been injuring one of
my fingers recently and will have an operation by tomorrow morning.
Consequently, I will be on a "sick leave" for several weeks, as I
will be strongly handicapped to write e-mails etc. 

Best regards, 
Peter 

Florian Effenberger wrote: 
Dear OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Members, 
Dear OpenOffice.org Marketing Contacts, 
Dear Community Members, 


all of you have heard the news about the announcement of The
Document Foundation. You might have also seen the discussion about
this announcement, and a few raised concerns on the public
OpenOffice.org mailing lists especially about the role of the
OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead. 


The feedback that we as group on the one side, and I as individual
on the other side have received, has been extremely positive,
encouraging this so very important step for our Community. Not
only our users and lots of enterprises and public entities
worldwide reacted enormously positive, but, most important to me,
especially many Community Members show their strong support for
the way to a Foundation -- and so I very much feel that with this
I am speaking for the Community that voted me as OpenOffice.org
Marketing Project Lead. 


In order to help things settle down, I hereby, effective
immediately, announce that I will temporarily suspend my role as
OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead until version 3.3 of
OpenOffice.org has been released. I will hand over all daily tasks
to Peter Junge. As Co-Lead, he is the one to step in during times
when I'm not available, so he will be the main contact for
marketing and press during this time. 


To avoid conflicts of interest, when I have to market LibreOffice
and OpenOffice.org at the same time, I will focus my work on the
marketing mailing list of The Document Foundation during this
time. 


As I am sure that things will have been sorted out after that
period. By temporarily suspending my role as OpenOffice.org
Marketing Project Lead, I hope I can help in contributing to the
success of what we as Community built up during the past decade,
and will shape during the next. 


I very much look forward to our future collaboration and
cooperation. 

Florian 

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Re: [marketing] When disaster strikes :-( - WAS: [marcon] Temporarily suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead

[Peter Junge]

Thanks a lot! :-)

Szakál Péter wrote:

Best wishes Peter!!

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To: mar...@marketing.openoffice.org
Cc: dev@marketing.openoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:30:14 AM
Subject: [marketing] When disaster strikes :-( - WAS: [marcon] Temporarily 
suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead

Hi Florian, everyone,

I will not be able to take the role as Acting OpenOffice.org Marketing 
Project Lead. Unfortunately, I have been injuring one of my fingers 
recently and will have an operation by tomorrow morning. Consequently, I 
will be on a "sick leave" for several weeks, as I will be strongly 
handicapped to write e-mails etc.


Best regards,
Peter

Florian Effenberger wrote:

Dear OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Members,
Dear OpenOffice.org Marketing Contacts,
Dear Community Members,

all of you have heard the news about the announcement of The Document 
Foundation. You might have also seen the discussion about this 
announcement, and a few raised concerns on the public OpenOffice.org 
mailing lists especially about the role of the OpenOffice.org Marketing 
Project Lead.


The feedback that we as group on the one side, and I as individual on 
the other side have received, has been extremely positive, encouraging 
this so very important step for our Community. Not only our users and 
lots of enterprises and public entities worldwide reacted enormously 
positive, but, most important to me, especially many Community Members 
show their strong support for the way to a Foundation -- and so I very 
much feel that with this I am speaking for the Community that voted me 
as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead.


In order to help things settle down, I hereby, effective immediately, 
announce that I will temporarily suspend my role as OpenOffice.org 
Marketing Project Lead until version 3.3 of OpenOffice.org has been 
released. I will hand over all daily tasks to Peter Junge. As Co-Lead, 
he is the one to step in during times when I'm not available, so he will 
be the main contact for marketing and press during this time.


To avoid conflicts of interest, when I have to market LibreOffice and 
OpenOffice.org at the same time, I will focus my work on the marketing 
mailing list of The Document Foundation during this time.


As I am sure that things will have been sorted out after that period. By 
temporarily suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead, 
I hope I can help in contributing to the success of what we as Community 
built up during the past decade, and will shape during the next.


I very much look forward to our future collaboration and cooperation.

Florian



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Re: [marketing] When disaster strikes :-( - WAS: [marcon] Temporarily suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead

[Szakál Péter]

Best wishes Peter!!

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- Original Message -
From: "Peter Junge" 
To: mar...@marketing.openoffice.org
Cc: dev@marketing.openoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:30:14 AM
Subject: [marketing] When disaster strikes :-( - WAS: [marcon] Temporarily 
suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead

Hi Florian, everyone,

I will not be able to take the role as Acting OpenOffice.org Marketing 
Project Lead. Unfortunately, I have been injuring one of my fingers 
recently and will have an operation by tomorrow morning. Consequently, I 
will be on a "sick leave" for several weeks, as I will be strongly 
handicapped to write e-mails etc.

Best regards,
Peter

Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Dear OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Members,
> Dear OpenOffice.org Marketing Contacts,
> Dear Community Members,
> 
> all of you have heard the news about the announcement of The Document 
> Foundation. You might have also seen the discussion about this 
> announcement, and a few raised concerns on the public OpenOffice.org 
> mailing lists especially about the role of the OpenOffice.org Marketing 
> Project Lead.
> 
> The feedback that we as group on the one side, and I as individual on 
> the other side have received, has been extremely positive, encouraging 
> this so very important step for our Community. Not only our users and 
> lots of enterprises and public entities worldwide reacted enormously 
> positive, but, most important to me, especially many Community Members 
> show their strong support for the way to a Foundation -- and so I very 
> much feel that with this I am speaking for the Community that voted me 
> as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead.
> 
> In order to help things settle down, I hereby, effective immediately, 
> announce that I will temporarily suspend my role as OpenOffice.org 
> Marketing Project Lead until version 3.3 of OpenOffice.org has been 
> released. I will hand over all daily tasks to Peter Junge. As Co-Lead, 
> he is the one to step in during times when I'm not available, so he will 
> be the main contact for marketing and press during this time.
> 
> To avoid conflicts of interest, when I have to market LibreOffice and 
> OpenOffice.org at the same time, I will focus my work on the marketing 
> mailing list of The Document Foundation during this time.
> 
> As I am sure that things will have been sorted out after that period. By 
> temporarily suspending my role as OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead, 
> I hope I can help in contributing to the success of what we as Community 
> built up during the past decade, and will shape during the next.
> 
> I very much look forward to our future collaboration and cooperation.
> 
> Florian
> 

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Re: [marketing] Linux.conf.au ?

[Ian]

On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 23:02 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

> The German PrOOo-Box and PortableApps wanted to use the new logo, but 
> haven't been granted for months (part of the present discussion on 
> d...@de.ooo)

To be fair, I asked Louis about using the OpenOffice.org name on
certificates for the certification project and got a reply back from
Oracle within a day.

> This is not the serviceable policy OpenOffice.org should use to 
> encourage people to promote our community and product.
> 
> So I have to repeat the part you didn't comment:
> 
> >
> >> I'd propose to ask for approval for any artwork with the
> >> OpenOffice.org logo or the Gull orb.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Bernhard
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