Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Florian, Cor, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote (05-10-10 13:34) Hi Florian, despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group Great initiative :-) on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. +1 Cor (too fast, sorry Florian ;-) ) as Florian also accepted this request, I think I will be able to go ahead the OOo birthday party tomorrow. Yes? How to proceed? Just spending the money and sending in the invoice for reimbursement? Best regards, Peter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-07 06.33: as you have not been quitting the role of the Marketing Project Lead, it's still you who is responsible for the MP budget. thank you! Given the current words I read on various mailing lists, I am not so sure if a decision solely by me would be accepted anymore. Of course we have to discuss sooner or later how to proceed in case TDF and OOo will go different ways in the future, but this is out of the scope of this thread. Hopefully, also not the right time yet. I agree... Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from the budget. Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from the budget. Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other project which had so far also a seat in the community council (http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for others to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will look into this request asap, Martin Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hello Martin, Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200, Martin Hollmichel m...@openoffice.org a écrit : Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from the budget. Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other project which had so far also a seat in the community council (http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for others to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will look into this request asap, If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I don't remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on OpenOffice.org Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the dialogue as it is now. Please advise. best, Charles. Martin Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Gi, Am 06.10.2010 18:19, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Hello Martin, Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200, Martin Hollmichelm...@openoffice.org a écrit : Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from the budget. Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other project which had so far also a seat in the community council (http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for others to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will look into this request asap, If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I don't remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on OpenOffice.org sorry, I don't remember any community fork driven by a member of the community council. I don't see a conflict of interest if a community member who decides to contribute to both: the fork and it's parent. but I don't think that this applies for leaders of the different project and no way claiming that you can have a leading role for both projects. for me this a classic example for a conflict of interest. Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the dialogue as it is now. Please advise. sorry, must be my German mentality: (Bestimmte Sachen tut man einfach nicht, auch wenn sie juristisch erlaubt sind. Das hat was mit Anstand zu tun) Some thing you don't do, even if there are legally allowed. It's a matter of personal integrity. In Germany it is also good pratice, when in doubt of a conflict of interest, that you inform your partners in advance and ask for their opinion, But I'm looking forward what others will say about this. best, Charles. Martin Martin Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hello Stefan, Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:09:02 +0200, Martin Hollmichel m...@openoffice.org a écrit : Gi, Am 06.10.2010 18:19, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Hello Martin, Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200, Martin Hollmichelm...@openoffice.org a écrit : Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from the budget. Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other project which had so far also a seat in the community council (http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for others to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will look into this request asap, If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I don't remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on OpenOffice.org sorry, I don't remember any community fork driven by a member of the community council. I don't see a conflict of interest if a community member who decides to contribute to both: the fork and it's parent. But Stefan, here's what's really appalling: all the members of the CC who do not work for Oracle choose to go, and you call that a fork, file and rank it in the fork category as if everything was normal. That is a serious lack of...interest/pedagogy/feeling/ and many other things. On the other hand, I'm not saying that I and others are going to continue at the CC as if nothing has ever happened. I/we will leave, but please do yourself a favour, don't act as if you're kicking us out, please do favour the dialogue first. but I don't think that this applies for leaders of the different project and no way claiming that you can have a leading role for both projects. for me this a classic example for a conflict of interest. Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the dialogue as it is now. Please advise. sorry, must be my German mentality: (Bestimmte Sachen tut man einfach nicht, auch wenn sie juristisch erlaubt sind. Das hat was mit Anstand zu tun) Some thing you don't do, even if there are legally allowed. It's a matter of personal integrity. In Germany it is also good pratice, when in doubt of a conflict of interest, that you inform your partners in advance and ask for their opinion, Conflict of interests are indeed not something we wish for. But I disagree that my personal integrity or the one of the TDF members are at stake here: our community is so disfunctional and so broken (before TDF) that we knew we had no option but going forward. German mentality as well: fix everything that's broken, and don't let it linger . Best, Charles. But I'm looking forward what others will say about this. best, Charles. Martin Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Charles, I'm not Stefan, but I will try to answer: You and some other made a quite clear statement and move. I acknowledge the that I receiced that your way is not longer my way. I'm sorry about this but I accept your decision say farewell. Now you're requesting a dialog started by me and I'm confused. If things have changed on your side, please let me know. Martin Am 06.10.2010 19:39, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Hello Stefan, Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:09:02 +0200, Martin Hollmichelm...@openoffice.org a écrit : Gi, Am 06.10.2010 18:19, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Hello Martin, Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200, Martin Hollmichelm...@openoffice.org a écrit : Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from the budget. Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other project which had so far also a seat in the community council (http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for others to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will look into this request asap, If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I don't remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on OpenOffice.org sorry, I don't remember any community fork driven by a member of the community council. I don't see a conflict of interest if a community member who decides to contribute to both: the fork and it's parent. But Stefan, here's what's really appalling: all the members of the CC who do not work for Oracle choose to go, and you call that a fork, file and rank it in the fork category as if everything was normal. That is a serious lack of...interest/pedagogy/feeling/ and many other things. On the other hand, I'm not saying that I and others are going to continue at the CC as if nothing has ever happened. I/we will leave, but please do yourself a favour, don't act as if you're kicking us out, please do favour the dialogue first. but I don't think that this applies for leaders of the different project and no way claiming that you can have a leading role for both projects. for me this a classic example for a conflict of interest. Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the dialogue as it is now. Please advise. sorry, must be my German mentality: (Bestimmte Sachen tut man einfach nicht, auch wenn sie juristisch erlaubt sind. Das hat was mit Anstand zu tun) Some thing you don't do, even if there are legally allowed. It's a matter of personal integrity. In Germany it is also good pratice, when in doubt of a conflict of interest, that you inform your partners in advance and ask for their opinion, Conflict of interests are indeed not something we wish for. But I disagree that my personal integrity or the one of the TDF members are at stake here: our community is so disfunctional and so broken (before TDF) that we knew we had no option but going forward. German mentality as well: fix everything that's broken, and don't let it linger . Best, Charles. But I'm looking forward what others will say about this. best, Charles. Martin Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Am 06.10.2010 20:01, schrieb Martin Hollmichel: the that I receiced superflous words and letters, sorry for that, was fighting with repaint problems of my mail program, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Florian, as you have not been quitting the role of the Marketing Project Lead, it's still you who is responsible for the MP budget. Of course we have to discuss sooner or later how to proceed in case TDF and OOo will go different ways in the future, but this is out of the scope of this thread. Hopefully, also not the right time yet. Best regards, Peter Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from the budget. Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote (05-10-10 13:34) Hi Florian, despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group Great initiative :-) on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. +1 Cor (too fast, sorry Florian ;-) ) -- - free OpenOffice.org :: LibreOffice - - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
