Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to v
On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk nor have Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge) Do not call for it ;-) I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though :-) ) Regards Mirko Cheers, Paul On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly: On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov: My opinion on this: I do not like the connection between the owl and the word maven. While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on the Greek euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of Hebrew/Jewish [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see an old and wise man. Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no obvious gender - apart from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas the wise old man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or belittling to wise women (irrespective of age) For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender differences is probably a better fit You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about genders and nor am I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not rooted in the Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in the Greek one. Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store from Canada. Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
[RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache Maven PMD Plugin version 3.3 take 2
Hello, the vote has passed with the following results: + 1 (binding): Karl-Heinz, Olivier, Kristian and Hervé + 1 (non-binding): Mirko I will promote the artifacts to the central repo this evening (CET) Regards Mirko - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
[DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to v
On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen mfriedenha...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mfriedenha...@gmail.com'); wrote: On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk nor have Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge) Do not call for it ;-) I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though :-) ) For any cartoony style mascot with black outlining of the colours, you're going to get a similar look. I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going monotone makes it hard to express the owlness My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of solid colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much better than gradients etc. I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's skinny body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't see a skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as it might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger than the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost... So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a long time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer Tango-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need... Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-) Regards Mirko Cheers, Paul On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly: On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov: My opinion on this: I do not like the connection between the owl and the word maven. While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on the Greek euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of Hebrew/Jewish [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see an old and wise man. Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no obvious gender - apart from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas the wise old man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or belittling to wise women (irrespective of age) For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender differences is probably a better fit You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about genders and nor am I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not rooted in the Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in the Greek one. Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store from Canada. Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org -- Sent from my phone
Re: New logo?
On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Chris Graham chrisgw...@gmail.com wrote: Chiming in late here. Where does Couché-tard come from and what does it mean? How is it relevant? Couché-tard is the French nickname for an owl, literal meaning is sleeps late I read one of Stephen's earlier posts where the colourisation V was questions. Stephen's response was the wrong one: Would you prefer the A? My response is: why colourise or stress any of them? I don't get the significance. We have a logo that currently stresses the a for - from my perspective - no reason at all. If we ditch all stress then we have little continuity of the existing brand Thus for continuity I favour stressing one letter, and because this is v3 of our logo I choose the 3rd letter and v for version ;-) (real reason is I think the v looks better) On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Stop calling Couché-tard shotgun owl! Does this make it clearer that it's a feather patch: http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-4-large.png On 19 November 2014 21:19, Dan Rollo danro...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Looks great! Before reading the comet below, I had the same “shotgun” thought about the white chest patch. Would it help if the white oval moved up, and started at the scarf? (Basically the top of the oval hidden under the scarf?) Understood about the “design by committee”. Dan From: Andreas Gudian andreas.gud...@gmail.com javascript:; Subject: Re: New logo? Date: November 19, 2014 at 12:49:59 PM EST To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org javascript:; I like it. Cute but resolute birdy, and the font looks fresh and modern. But wait - did someone shoot a hole right through the owl? You can even see the shadow behind it. ;-) Maybe the patch in the middle could be a little darker, perhaps with a hint/tint of the surrounding colour? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org javascript:; For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org javascript:; -- Sent from my phone
Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to v
Actually Sun had Duke protected and enforced it a long time, but they released the restriction a few years back (2006), even released the artwork under a BSD license. But the Java Cup Logo is still restricted. ( http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/java-licensing-logo-guidelines-1908204.pdf ) https://kenai.com/projects/duke/pages/Home Gruss Bernd Am 20.11.2014 22:41 schrieb Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com: On 20 November 2014 21:36, Paul Benedict pbened...@apache.org wrote: Trademarks are tied to an industry/usage. So someone using a name for a convenience store has no assertion over the same name used for software -- at least that's how it works in the US. And I don't think we're looking to trademark the Mascot name, are we? I thought this was just a logo and the name is unofficial. Correct. Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk nor have Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge) Cheers, Paul On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly: On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov: My opinion on this: I do not like the connection between the owl and the word maven. While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on the Greek euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of Hebrew/Jewish [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see an old and wise man. Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no obvious gender - apart from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas the wise old man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or belittling to wise women (irrespective of age) For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender differences is probably a better fit You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about genders and nor am I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not rooted in the Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in the Greek one. Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store from Canada. Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to v
Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like removing the outlines: http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2.png D is now a tie for me with B On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen mfriedenha...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk nor have Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge) Do not call for it ;-) I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though :-) ) For any cartoony style mascot with black outlining of the colours, you're going to get a similar look. I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going monotone makes it hard to express the owlness My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of solid colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much better than gradients etc. I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's skinny body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't see a skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as it might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger than the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost... So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a long time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer Tango-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need... Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-) Regards Mirko Cheers, Paul On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly: On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov: My opinion on this: I do not like the connection between the owl and the word maven. While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on the Greek euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of Hebrew/Jewish [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see an old and wise man. Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no obvious gender - apart from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas the wise old man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or belittling to wise women (irrespective of age) For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender differences is probably a better fit You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about genders and nor am I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not rooted in the Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in the Greek one. Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store from Canada. Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org -- Sent from my phone
Raven, take 2
http://beautyofbirds.com/images/birds/ravens/AustralianRaven.jpg I'm not very clever with gimp, but let's see what can be done.
Re: Raven, take 2
I will point out that there is a consulting company with Maven in their name using a raven already. On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: http://beautyofbirds.com/images/birds/ravens/AustralianRaven.jpg I'm not very clever with gimp, but let's see what can be done. -- Sent from my phone
Re: Raven, take 2
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: I will point out that there is a consulting company with Maven in their name using a raven already. I don't know if that's an insurmountable trademark problem or not. Of course, we don't have to have a mascot at all. Some sort of graphic design embodiment of a chain of plugins, for example ... On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: http://beautyofbirds.com/images/birds/ravens/AustralianRaven.jpg I'm not very clever with gimp, but let's see what can be done. -- Sent from my phone
Re: r1639526 in maven-project-info-reports breaks the build
fixed was both: 1. an existing IT weakness (missing distributionManagement section, which cannot exist in real use case): I fixed the IT 2. and a change in output in case no name defined in module pom: I reverted to previous algorithm (use artifactId) instead of ugly Unnamed g:a:v Regards, Hervé Le dimanche 16 novembre 2014 13:44:10 Kristian Rosenvold a écrit : Michael, The MPIR-279 fix broke the build (run with -Prun-its), it seems to me like a real regression. Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Re: r1639526 in maven-project-info-reports breaks the build
Gesendet: Samstag, 22. November 2014 um 19:02 Uhr Von: Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr An: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org Betreff: Re: r1639526 in maven-project-info-reports breaks the build fixed was both: 1. an existing IT weakness (missing distributionManagement section, which cannot exist in real use case): I fixed the IT Thanks for the fix. 2. and a change in output in case no name defined in module pom: I reverted to previous algorithm (use artifactId) instead of ugly Unnamed g:a:v I am against that. I added this on purpose. It resembles the output of the site tool which generates the modules menu. It looks awkward if both outputs aren't uniform. Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache Maven PMD Plugin version 3.3 take 2
Hello, I promoted the release in nexus, copied the new site, updated the plugins overview and closed 3.3 in JIRA. Would one of the PMCs please promote http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-pmd-plugin/3.3/maven-pmd-plugin-3.3-source-release.zip to http://www.apache.org/dist/maven/plugins/ On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Mirko Friedenhagen mfriedenha...@apache.org wrote: Hello, the vote has passed with the following results: + 1 (binding): Karl-Heinz, Olivier, Kristian and Hervé + 1 (non-binding): Mirko I will promote the artifacts to the central repo this evening (CET) Regards Mirko - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Maven-EJB-Plugin Problem maven-archiver upgrade 2.5 = 2.6
Hi, i'm trying to upgrade maven-ejb-plugin from maven-archiver 2.5 to maven-archiver-2.6and i'm currently faced with a puzzling situation... If i update to 2.6 several tests will fail... For the tests there were stubs generated which using groupId/artifactId etc. but if i update to 2.6 it looks like the defined ModelStub (which contains artifactId etc.) seemed to be ignored and the MavenProjectBasicStub.java takes over which means the ModelStub is ignored (in some way)... If i change MavenProjectBasicStub.java accordingly my tests will work... Does someone has an idea which can explain this? Many thanks in advance... Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache Maven PMD Plugin version 3.3 take 2
Hi Mirko, distribution area updated and board report updated accordingly. Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise On 11/22/14 8:52 PM, Mirko Friedenhagen wrote: Hello, I promoted the release in nexus, copied the new site, updated the plugins overview and closed 3.3 in JIRA. Would one of the PMCs please promote http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-pmd-plugin/3.3/maven-pmd-plugin-3.3-source-release.zip to http://www.apache.org/dist/maven/plugins/ On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Mirko Friedenhagen mfriedenha...@apache.org wrote: Hello, the vote has passed with the following results: + 1 (binding): Karl-Heinz, Olivier, Kristian and Hervé + 1 (non-binding): Mirko I will promote the artifacts to the central repo this evening (CET) Regards Mirko - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [SUREFIRE] List of simple issues to fix
Closed 6 issues SUREFIRE-1001, SUREFIRE-904, SUREFIRE-595, SUREFIRE-1054, SUREFIRE-620, SUREFIRE-1118 - BR, tibor17 -- View this message in context: http://maven.40175.n5.nabble.com/SUREFIRE-List-of-simple-issues-to-fix-tp5814089p5815160.html Sent from the Maven Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
[ANN] Apache Maven PMD Plugin 3.3 Released
The Maven team is pleased to announce the release of the Apache Maven PMD Plugin, version 3.3 A Maven plugin for the PMD toolkit, that produces a report on both code rule violations and detected copy and paste fragments, as well as being able to fail the build based on these metrics. http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-pmd-plugin/ You should specify the version in your project's plugin configuration: plugin groupIdorg.apache.maven.plugins/groupId artifactIdmaven-pmd-plugin/artifactId version3.3/version /plugin Release Notes - Apache Maven PMD Plugin - Version 3.3 Bug * [MPMD-192] Regression MPMD-89 is showing up with Maven 2.2.1 again for maven-pmd-plugin-3.3 Improvement * [MPMD-191] Update to PMD 5.2.1 * [MPMD-189] MavenProject/MavenSession Injection as a paremeter instead as a component. Enjoy, -The Maven team - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: New logo?
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Chris Graham chrisgw...@gmail.com wrote: Chiming in late here. Where does Couché-tard come from and what does it mean? How is it relevant? Couché-tard is the French nickname for an owl, literal meaning is sleeps late So, if you don't speak French, or have a classical education, you're not likely to get that. I guess, that if people are going to ask what is it, is it a good logo? And it's franco centric, wouldn't the comments about the feature and native amercian indians apply? I read one of Stephen's earlier posts where the colourisation V was questions. Stephen's response was the wrong one: Would you prefer the A? My response is: why colourise or stress any of them? I don't get the significance. We have a logo that currently stresses the a for - from my perspective - no reason at all. If we ditch all stress then we have little continuity of the existing brand The name is the brand, I doubt very much that anyone would place undue attention on a stressed a or v. Thus for continuity I favour stressing one letter, and because this is v3 of our logo I choose the 3rd letter and v for version ;-) (real reason is I think the v looks better) Than a 'a', yes. Agreed. But are we trying too hard to be too cute too cleaver? On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Stop calling Couché-tard shotgun owl! Does this make it clearer that it's a feather patch: http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-4-large.png On 19 November 2014 21:19, Dan Rollo danro...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Looks great! Before reading the comet below, I had the same “shotgun” thought about the white chest patch. Would it help if the white oval moved up, and started at the scarf? (Basically the top of the oval hidden under the scarf?) Understood about the “design by committee”. Dan From: Andreas Gudian andreas.gud...@gmail.com javascript:; Subject: Re: New logo? Date: November 19, 2014 at 12:49:59 PM EST To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org javascript:; I like it. Cute but resolute birdy, and the font looks fresh and modern. But wait - did someone shoot a hole right through the owl? You can even see the shadow behind it. ;-) Maybe the patch in the middle could be a little darker, perhaps with a hint/tint of the surrounding colour? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org javascript:; For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org javascript:; -- Sent from my phone
Re: New logo?
On Saturday, 22 November 2014, Chris Graham chrisgw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Chris Graham chrisgw...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Chiming in late here. Where does Couché-tard come from and what does it mean? How is it relevant? Couché-tard is the French nickname for an owl, literal meaning is sleeps late So, if you don't speak French, or have a classical education, you're not likely to get that. I guess, that if people are going to ask what is it, is it a good logo? And it's franco centric, wouldn't the comments about the feature and native amercian indians apply? As I said on the discuss thread, it's just the name I gave to my drawing, if adopted I'll let the community decide the name for the community's mascot... Jeesh wtf I read one of Stephen's earlier posts where the colourisation V was questions. Stephen's response was the wrong one: Would you prefer the A? My response is: why colourise or stress any of them? I don't get the significance. We have a logo that currently stresses the a for - from my perspective - no reason at all. If we ditch all stress then we have little continuity of the existing brand The name is the brand, I doubt very much that anyone would place undue attention on a stressed a or v. Thus for continuity I favour stressing one letter, and because this is v3 of our logo I choose the 3rd letter and v for version ;-) (real reason is I think the v looks better) Than a 'a', yes. Agreed. But are we trying too hard to be too cute too cleaver? I don't think so... But this is what the discuss thread is for... Btw why are we having thus here and not there? On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com javascript:; javascript:; wrote: Stop calling Couché-tard shotgun owl! Does this make it clearer that it's a feather patch: http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-4-large.png On 19 November 2014 21:19, Dan Rollo danro...@gmail.com javascript:; javascript:; wrote: Looks great! Before reading the comet below, I had the same “shotgun” thought about the white chest patch. Would it help if the white oval moved up, and started at the scarf? (Basically the top of the oval hidden under the scarf?) Understood about the “design by committee”. Dan From: Andreas Gudian andreas.gud...@gmail.com javascript:; javascript:; Subject: Re: New logo? Date: November 19, 2014 at 12:49:59 PM EST To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org javascript:; javascript:; I like it. Cute but resolute birdy, and the font looks fresh and modern. But wait - did someone shoot a hole right through the owl? You can even see the shadow behind it. ;-) Maybe the patch in the middle could be a little darker, perhaps with a hint/tint of the surrounding colour? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org javascript:; javascript:; For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org javascript:; javascript:; -- Sent from my phone -- Sent from my phone
Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to v
Why I want a new logo and a mascot: I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite. Users cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on abusing maven rather than having maven help them. Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg with the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo and selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt and I believe it will help me. I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of the day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot (or something else to mix up the content visually) I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from that... Though I welcome each and every one The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer... Though to do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in truth I do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with a new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the community will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out the community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote By the way, I think I now favour D On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like removing the outlines: http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2.png D is now a tie for me with B On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com'); wrote: On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen mfriedenha...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk nor have Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge) Do not call for it ;-) I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though :-) ) For any cartoony style mascot with black outlining of the colours, you're going to get a similar look. I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going monotone makes it hard to express the owlness My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of solid colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much better than gradients etc. I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's skinny body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't see a skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as it might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger than the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost... So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a long time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer Tango-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need... Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-) Regards Mirko Cheers, Paul On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly: On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov: My opinion on this: I do not like the connection between the owl and the word maven. While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on the Greek euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of Hebrew/Jewish [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see an old and wise man. Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no obvious gender - apart from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas the wise old man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or belittling to wise women (irrespective of age) For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender differences is probably a better fit You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about genders and nor am I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not rooted in the Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in the Greek one. Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store from Canada. Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail:
Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to v
I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design assistance available. I suspect that there is. On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Why I want a new logo and a mascot: I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite. Users cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on abusing maven rather than having maven help them. Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg with the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo and selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt and I believe it will help me. I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of the day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot (or something else to mix up the content visually) I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from that... Though I welcome each and every one The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer... Though to do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in truth I do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with a new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the community will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out the community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote By the way, I think I now favour D On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like removing the outlines: http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2.png D is now a tie for me with B On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com'); wrote: On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen mfriedenha...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk nor have Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge) Do not call for it ;-) I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though :-) ) For any cartoony style mascot with black outlining of the colours, you're going to get a similar look. I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going monotone makes it hard to express the owlness My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of solid colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much better than gradients etc. I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's skinny body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't see a skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as it might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger than the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost... So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a long time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer Tango-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need... Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-) Regards Mirko Cheers, Paul On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly: On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov: My opinion on this: I do not like the connection between the owl and the word maven. While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on the Greek euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of Hebrew/Jewish [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see an old and wise man. Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no obvious gender - apart from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas the wise old man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or belittling to wise women (irrespective of age) For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender differences is probably a better fit You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about genders and nor am I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not rooted in the Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in the Greek one.
RE: Raven, take 2
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 08:42:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Raven, take 2 From: bimargul...@gmail.com To: dev@maven.apache.org On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: I will point out that there is a consulting company with Maven in their name using a raven already. MGyep MGhttp://www.mavenraven.org/ MGPersonally I like the owl.. the hole in the owls' stomach begs explanation I don't know if that's an insurmountable trademark problem or not. Of course, we don't have to have a mascot at all. Some sort of graphic design embodiment of a chain of plugins, for example ... On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: http://beautyofbirds.com/images/birds/ravens/AustralianRaven.jpg I'm not very clever with gimp, but let's see what can be done. -- Sent from my phone
Re: r1639526 in maven-project-info-reports breaks the build
IMHO, just open another Jira issue and make the proper fix (with existing ITs) Regards, Hervé Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:40:12 Michael Osipov a écrit : Gesendet: Samstag, 22. November 2014 um 19:02 Uhr Von: Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr An: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org Betreff: Re: r1639526 in maven-project-info-reports breaks the build fixed was both: 1. an existing IT weakness (missing distributionManagement section, which cannot exist in real use case): I fixed the IT Thanks for the fix. 2. and a change in output in case no name defined in module pom: I reverted to previous algorithm (use artifactId) instead of ugly Unnamed g:a:v I am against that. I added this on purpose. It resembles the output of the site tool which generates the modules menu. It looks awkward if both outputs aren't uniform. Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Adopt Mr Couché-Tard as our mascot, change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk, change the colour letter to v
Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit : I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design assistance available. I suspect that there is. +1 On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Why I want a new logo and a mascot: I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite. +1 Users cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on abusing maven rather than having maven help them. Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg with the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo and selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't hurt and I believe it will help me. +1, even if it puts a higher bar I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of the day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot (or something else to mix up the content visually) I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions from that... Though I welcome each and every one The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer... Though to do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in truth I do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with a new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one direction... I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the community will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out the community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good choice By the way, I think I now favour D in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site is good, since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression: don't know if blue or grey would be better and since Couché Tard doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking people (which have so much slang word :p ), I really like shotgun owl without showing anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun because it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you will discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide thank you for your continued work on this: it's part of what we can do to continue to improve user experience Regards, Hervé On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like removing the outlines: http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2 .png D is now a tie for me with B On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com'); wrote: On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen mfriedenha...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked Durk nor have Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge) Do not call for it ;-) I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though :-) ) For any cartoony style mascot with black outlining of the colours, you're going to get a similar look. I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going monotone makes it hard to express the owlness My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of solid colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much better than gradients etc. I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's skinny body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't see a skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as it might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger than the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost... So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a long time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer Tango-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need... Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-) Regards Mirko Cheers, Paul On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly: On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov
