Re: Remove (experimental) from FlatLaf Dark

[Tomáš Procházka]

Found another minor issue with property color in auto-complete windows:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3706

Anyway FlatLaf Dark is great, I was coding with it whole day and did not 
found any major issue making me to go back to Darcula LaF plugin.


With regards.

Tomáš Procházka

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Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3 merge window closing January 19th

[Neil C Smith]

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020, 22:37 Ernie Rael,  wrote:

> Is the plugin catalog from the new plugin portal going to be included as
> an update center in the 11.3 release? It's my understanding that this
> decision is up to the Release Coordinator.
>

Without wanting to tread on Eric's toes ;-) this is not actually "included"
in a release. We have standardized and unique links for each release that
are redirected at Apache end. We can point any release (including existing
ones) to new plugin portal at any time we want. It was considered for 11.2
at one point, although probably not worth it now.

+1 to having 11.3 and dev (daily builds) redirect to new portal as soon as
ready though!

Best wishes,

Neil

Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3 merge window closing January 19th

[Ernie Rael]

Is the plugin catalog from the new plugin portal going to be included as 
an update center in the 11.3 release? It's my understanding that this 
decision is up to the Release Coordinator.


I would like to encourage this inclusion. There are problems with the 
old portal, and I'd like to move forward rather than pushing for fixes 
in the old infrastructure.


-ernie

On 1/16/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Barboni wrote:

Hi folks,

According to the Release Schedule it's just a reminder that the merge window
for Apache NetBeans 11.3 will close on 19.01.2020 (should have been
15.01.2020)

  See https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule

After the merge window closes, merges to master will be limited to fixes
intended for the 11.3 release, and should be made in accordance with the bug
priority guidelines - see
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Bug+Priority+Guidelines
Please help review and merge any remaining pull requests that are intended
for 11.3 before that date.  However, if a pull request is not quite ready
for merging but should be considered, mark with NB 11.3 (milestone or label)
and we'll review in the first few days after freeze.

All other contributions should be held back until the merge window for 12.0
opens, some time after the release of 11.3.
A first beta of 11.3 should be available next week some time.

Best Regards

Eric "skygo"
(Lvl 1) Release Manager for Apache NetBeans 11.3


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Community-xml and transition

[Sven Reimers]

Hi all,

looking at the transition (
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition)

I find

*Done: *community-xml (2326 files) – comments passed to Milutin Kristofic,
who has processed them.

A further mention, in which donation this is planned to transitioned to
Apache is not to be found.

Can anyone elaborate? Probably it is supposed to be part of 5j?

Thanks

-Sven

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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[antonio]

Hi again,

We have 83 source code sample zip files [1] referenced from the 
tutorials, with simple examples, that we may want to add.


Do we want to redo then under the Apache License? Request Oracle to 
donate these as well?


Thanks,
Antonio


[1]

http://developers.sun.com/events/techdays/downloads/labs/6400_mobilegame.zip
https://netbeans.org/downloads/zip.html
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1928/lesson2.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1929/lesson3.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1930/lesson4.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1931/lesson5.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1932/lesson6.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1933/lesson7.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1934/lesson8.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/2028/php_demo.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/2343/SoapWithAttachments.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/770/InternationalizeDemo.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/NetBeans%20IDE%206.8/JavaEE/entappclient.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FCPlusPlus%252FJNIDemo.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%2520Web%252FHelloSpring69.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%2520Web%252FIFPWAFCAD.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%2520Web%252FMyStrutsApp.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%252FDeploymentTutorial.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%252FGapSupport.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%252Fgbcustomizer-advanced-tutorial.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%252Fgbcustomizer-basic-tutorial.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%252FJFileChooserDemo.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FcdiDemo2.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FcdiDemo3.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FcdiDemoComplete.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FcdiDemo.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FConsultingAgencyJSF20.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_complete.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot10.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot1.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot2.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot3.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot4.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot5.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot6.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot7.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot8.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot9.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252Fimg.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fjavadb-consult.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FjsfDemoCompleted.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FjsfDemo.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FMavenEnterpriseApp.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fmysql-consult.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FNewsAppEE6.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FWebAppJUnit.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaScript%252FDojoTreeSample.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaScript%252FjQueryProjectFiles.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaScript%252FMyAjaxApp.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaScript%252Fpix.zip

Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[antonio]

Hi again,

Some tutorials (see [1] for an example) point to source code zips (no 
ASF headers) hosted at netbeans.org. These are small zips that add value 
to the tutorials.


I'll try to enumerate these files and try to salvage them. Maybe we want 
to create a "samples" repository for hosting these?


Thanks,
Antonio


[1]
The tutorial at
http://netbeans.apache.org/kb/docs/php/wish-list-lesson2.html

references
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1928/lesson2.zip

El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hello folks,

    as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level 
Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?


    Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone 
aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle 
infrastructure hosting the legacy services?


Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we 
turn the servers off or we are ready?


[1] https://hg.netbeans.org

-Jirka

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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[antonio]

We already have a OSOUL service. Maybe we can upload the repository 
there, and then redirect from bits.netbeans.org to that place (we're 
already redirecting requests from Apache to Oracle infrastructure).


Cheers,
Antonio

El 16/1/20 a las 18:51, Lars Bruun-Hansen escribió:

(org.netbeans prefix on groupId). So my plan is to publish to GitHub
Packages. Or somewhere else.


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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Neil C Smith]

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 17:51, Lars Bruun-Hansen  wrote:
> I think you can forget about Maven Central. As far as I remember they
> require that you can prove that you own the name used as Maven groupId
> (reversed).

I would check that with Apache Infra whether something can be arranged
there.  I have a feeling that archiving pre-ASF resources under the
old coordinates might be something that would be OK, as long as
they're not distributed via ASF infrastructure.  Fairly sure similar
things must have happened before.

Best wishes,

Neil

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RE: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Eric Barboni]

Hi Lars, 
 As groupid org.netbeans on central is own by Apache, I ask Infra. Maybe there 
is a solution to have maybe not and we can go to your plan.

Eric

-Message d'origine-
De : Lars Bruun-Hansen  
Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2020 18:51
À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
Objet : Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

Yes, by salvage I mean copy'ing all those Maven artifacts to somewhere else.

>From a previous experience I have the method for doing so, i.e.
recursively crawling through all content in a Nexus instance and copying into 
another Maven server.

I think you can forget about Maven Central. As far as I remember they require 
that you can prove that you own the name used as Maven groupId (reversed).  My 
plan is to host them under the exact same Maven coordinates as used at the 
moment, and that would mean that Maven Central is not an option since I 
obviously do not own 'netbeans.org'
(org.netbeans prefix on groupId). So my plan is to publish to GitHub Packages. 
Or somewhere else.



Lars

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:20 PM Eric Barboni  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  Salvage means downloading all the artefacts ?
>
>  Lars can you do that salvage? I'm not sure to catch them all.
>
> I will ask sonatype for central.
>
> Regards
> Eric
>
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Geertjan Wielenga  Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 
> 2020 08:44 À : dev@netbeans.apache.org Objet : Re: Any objections 
> against turning netbeans.org OFF?
>
> If people outside Oracle would do this, that would be best and simplest (any 
> process or decision in Oracle takes time).
>
> Gj
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Lars Bruun-Hansen 
> 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Matthias
> >
> > Sure. When suggesting to "salvage" the Maven artifacts from
> > bits.netbeans.org/maven2 I made it clear that the hosting couldn't 
> > be affiliated with the ASF.  But that doesn't prevent a community 
> > member doing it on his own or some other organization doing it.
> >
> > The old license [1] doesn't prevent redistribution, afaik. So I 
> > think it would be perfectly legal to take a copy of those Maven 
> > artifacts and host them somewhere else, while retaining the existing 
> > license.
> >
> > Am I wrong? Let me know if I read the license correctly.
> >
> > Also, before I start doing any such thing on my own it would be nice 
> > to know if Oracle is contemplating the same, i.e. to make a copy 
> > into e.g. GitHub, before they decommission all their old NetBeans 
> > Nexus infra. It would save me - or some other volunteer - the work.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Lars
> >
> > [1] https://netbeans.org/cddl-gplv2.html
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:55 PM Matthias Bläsing 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lars,
> > >
> > > I don't see a reasonable way to do what you describe. The code is
> > > GPLv2+CDDL (to my knowledge), the content of the repositories 
> > > GPLv2+owned by
> > > Oracle. Only the donation files can be relicensed to ALv2 and thus 
> > > are eligable for integration/redistribution.
> > >
> > > The message from the ASF to my understand is pretty clear: We will 
> > > _not_ distribute GPL (regardless of the classpath exception).
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > > Am Mittwoch, den 15.01.2020, 07:34 +0100 schrieb Lars Bruun-Hansen:
> > > > As the suggestion is phrased, "turn off netbeans.org", I cannot 
> > > > support it.
> > > >
> > > > It has to be clearer. Will that TLD cease to exist? Or what 
> > > > exactly do you mean by "turn off" ?
> > > >
> > > > Summary:
> > > >
> > > > Things to consider which are hosted (or redirected from)
> > > > netbeans.org:
> > > >
> > > > - NetBeans WWW (the page you arrive at when doing netbeans.org)
> > > > - NetBeans Maven. (i.e. bits.netbeans.org/maven2 -->
> > > > bits-adc.netbeans.org) - Sonatype Nexus Maven Repo.
> > > > - NetBeans downloads (netbeans.org/downloads), download of 
> > > > NetBeans IDE up until v8.2
> > > > - NetBeans Wiki (wiki.netbeans.org)
> > > > - NetBeans API Docs
> > > > - NetBeans Plugin Portal
> > > > - NetBeans Mercurial (hg.netbeans.org)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (all of it legacy of course)
> > > >
> > > > In particular for the legacy NetBeans Maven repo I think we as a 
> > > > community have an OBLIGATION to make that available "forever", 
> > > > or at least to place somewhere which (we think) won't go away anytime 
> > > > soon.
> > > > We need to salvage the artifacts and make them available 
> > > > somewhere else. We cannot assume that Oracle will take on that 
> > > > resp. I'll be happy to work on that. I understand it cannot be 
> > > > affiliated with the Apache NetBeans project. GitHub can act as a 
> > > > Maven Repo so that may be a simple solution. Bintray Jcenter is another.
> > > >
> > > > But as people have mentioned there are also the other things on 
> > > > the list above to consider, besides the Maven repo.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestion for structured way forward:
> > > > Is the list above exhaustive?
> > > > If so, a Jira Ticker for each of 

Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Lars Bruun-Hansen]

Yes, by salvage I mean copy'ing all those Maven artifacts to somewhere else.

>From a previous experience I have the method for doing so, i.e.
recursively crawling through all content in a Nexus instance and
copying into another Maven server.

I think you can forget about Maven Central. As far as I remember they
require that you can prove that you own the name used as Maven groupId
(reversed).  My plan is to host them under the exact same Maven
coordinates as used at the moment, and that would mean that Maven
Central is not an option since I obviously do not own 'netbeans.org'
(org.netbeans prefix on groupId). So my plan is to publish to GitHub
Packages. Or somewhere else.



Lars

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:20 PM Eric Barboni  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  Salvage means downloading all the artefacts ?
>
>  Lars can you do that salvage? I'm not sure to catch them all.
>
> I will ask sonatype for central.
>
> Regards
> Eric
>
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Geertjan Wielenga 
> Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2020 08:44
> À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Objet : Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?
>
> If people outside Oracle would do this, that would be best and simplest (any 
> process or decision in Oracle takes time).
>
> Gj
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Lars Bruun-Hansen 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Matthias
> >
> > Sure. When suggesting to "salvage" the Maven artifacts from
> > bits.netbeans.org/maven2 I made it clear that the hosting couldn't be
> > affiliated with the ASF.  But that doesn't prevent a community member
> > doing it on his own or some other organization doing it.
> >
> > The old license [1] doesn't prevent redistribution, afaik. So I think
> > it would be perfectly legal to take a copy of those Maven artifacts
> > and host them somewhere else, while retaining the existing license.
> >
> > Am I wrong? Let me know if I read the license correctly.
> >
> > Also, before I start doing any such thing on my own it would be nice
> > to know if Oracle is contemplating the same, i.e. to make a copy into
> > e.g. GitHub, before they decommission all their old NetBeans Nexus
> > infra. It would save me - or some other volunteer - the work.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Lars
> >
> > [1] https://netbeans.org/cddl-gplv2.html
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:55 PM Matthias Bläsing
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lars,
> > >
> > > I don't see a reasonable way to do what you describe. The code is
> > > GPLv2+CDDL (to my knowledge), the content of the repositories owned
> > > GPLv2+by
> > > Oracle. Only the donation files can be relicensed to ALv2 and thus
> > > are eligable for integration/redistribution.
> > >
> > > The message from the ASF to my understand is pretty clear: We will
> > > _not_ distribute GPL (regardless of the classpath exception).
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > > Am Mittwoch, den 15.01.2020, 07:34 +0100 schrieb Lars Bruun-Hansen:
> > > > As the suggestion is phrased, "turn off netbeans.org", I cannot
> > > > support it.
> > > >
> > > > It has to be clearer. Will that TLD cease to exist? Or what
> > > > exactly do you mean by "turn off" ?
> > > >
> > > > Summary:
> > > >
> > > > Things to consider which are hosted (or redirected from)
> > > > netbeans.org:
> > > >
> > > > - NetBeans WWW (the page you arrive at when doing netbeans.org)
> > > > - NetBeans Maven. (i.e. bits.netbeans.org/maven2 -->
> > > > bits-adc.netbeans.org) - Sonatype Nexus Maven Repo.
> > > > - NetBeans downloads (netbeans.org/downloads), download of
> > > > NetBeans IDE up until v8.2
> > > > - NetBeans Wiki (wiki.netbeans.org)
> > > > - NetBeans API Docs
> > > > - NetBeans Plugin Portal
> > > > - NetBeans Mercurial (hg.netbeans.org)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (all of it legacy of course)
> > > >
> > > > In particular for the legacy NetBeans Maven repo I think we as a
> > > > community have an OBLIGATION to make that available "forever", or
> > > > at least to place somewhere which (we think) won't go away anytime soon.
> > > > We need to salvage the artifacts and make them available somewhere
> > > > else. We cannot assume that Oracle will take on that resp. I'll be
> > > > happy to work on that. I understand it cannot be affiliated with
> > > > the Apache NetBeans project. GitHub can act as a Maven Repo so
> > > > that may be a simple solution. Bintray Jcenter is another.
> > > >
> > > > But as people have mentioned there are also the other things on
> > > > the list above to consider, besides the Maven repo.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestion for structured way forward:
> > > > Is the list above exhaustive?
> > > > If so, a Jira Ticker for each of them where we track decommissioning.
> > > > For some of them that may already exist. An overall Jira
> > > > "netbeans.org" ticket too which links to the individual tickets.
> > > > Then we work from that from that Jira plan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > my 2c.
> > > >
> > > > Lars
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:32 PM Ernie Rael 
> 

Apache NetBeans 11.3 merge window closing January 19th

[Eric Barboni]

Hi folks,

According to the Release Schedule it's just a reminder that the merge window
for Apache NetBeans 11.3 will close on 19.01.2020 (should have been
15.01.2020)

 See https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule

After the merge window closes, merges to master will be limited to fixes
intended for the 11.3 release, and should be made in accordance with the bug
priority guidelines - see
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Bug+Priority+Guidelines
Please help review and merge any remaining pull requests that are intended
for 11.3 before that date.  However, if a pull request is not quite ready
for merging but should be considered, mark with NB 11.3 (milestone or label)
and we'll review in the first few days after freeze.

All other contributions should be held back until the merge window for 12.0
opens, some time after the release of 11.3.
A first beta of 11.3 should be available next week some time.

Best Regards

Eric "skygo" 
(Lvl 1) Release Manager for Apache NetBeans 11.3


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RE: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Eric Barboni]

Hi,
 Salvage means downloading all the artefacts ?
 
 Lars can you do that salvage? I'm not sure to catch them all.

I will ask sonatype for central.

Regards
Eric 

-Message d'origine-
De : Geertjan Wielenga  
Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2020 08:44
À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
Objet : Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

If people outside Oracle would do this, that would be best and simplest (any 
process or decision in Oracle takes time).

Gj

On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Lars Bruun-Hansen 
wrote:

> Hi Matthias
>
> Sure. When suggesting to "salvage" the Maven artifacts from
> bits.netbeans.org/maven2 I made it clear that the hosting couldn't be 
> affiliated with the ASF.  But that doesn't prevent a community member 
> doing it on his own or some other organization doing it.
>
> The old license [1] doesn't prevent redistribution, afaik. So I think 
> it would be perfectly legal to take a copy of those Maven artifacts 
> and host them somewhere else, while retaining the existing license.
>
> Am I wrong? Let me know if I read the license correctly.
>
> Also, before I start doing any such thing on my own it would be nice 
> to know if Oracle is contemplating the same, i.e. to make a copy into 
> e.g. GitHub, before they decommission all their old NetBeans Nexus 
> infra. It would save me - or some other volunteer - the work.
>
> Thx
>
> Lars
>
> [1] https://netbeans.org/cddl-gplv2.html
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:55 PM Matthias Bläsing 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lars,
> >
> > I don't see a reasonable way to do what you describe. The code is
> > GPLv2+CDDL (to my knowledge), the content of the repositories owned 
> > GPLv2+by
> > Oracle. Only the donation files can be relicensed to ALv2 and thus 
> > are eligable for integration/redistribution.
> >
> > The message from the ASF to my understand is pretty clear: We will 
> > _not_ distribute GPL (regardless of the classpath exception).
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> > Am Mittwoch, den 15.01.2020, 07:34 +0100 schrieb Lars Bruun-Hansen:
> > > As the suggestion is phrased, "turn off netbeans.org", I cannot 
> > > support it.
> > >
> > > It has to be clearer. Will that TLD cease to exist? Or what 
> > > exactly do you mean by "turn off" ?
> > >
> > > Summary:
> > >
> > > Things to consider which are hosted (or redirected from)
> > > netbeans.org:
> > >
> > > - NetBeans WWW (the page you arrive at when doing netbeans.org)
> > > - NetBeans Maven. (i.e. bits.netbeans.org/maven2 -->
> > > bits-adc.netbeans.org) - Sonatype Nexus Maven Repo.
> > > - NetBeans downloads (netbeans.org/downloads), download of 
> > > NetBeans IDE up until v8.2
> > > - NetBeans Wiki (wiki.netbeans.org)
> > > - NetBeans API Docs
> > > - NetBeans Plugin Portal
> > > - NetBeans Mercurial (hg.netbeans.org)
> > >
> > >
> > > (all of it legacy of course)
> > >
> > > In particular for the legacy NetBeans Maven repo I think we as a 
> > > community have an OBLIGATION to make that available "forever", or 
> > > at least to place somewhere which (we think) won't go away anytime soon.
> > > We need to salvage the artifacts and make them available somewhere 
> > > else. We cannot assume that Oracle will take on that resp. I'll be 
> > > happy to work on that. I understand it cannot be affiliated with 
> > > the Apache NetBeans project. GitHub can act as a Maven Repo so 
> > > that may be a simple solution. Bintray Jcenter is another.
> > >
> > > But as people have mentioned there are also the other things on 
> > > the list above to consider, besides the Maven repo.
> > >
> > > Suggestion for structured way forward:
> > > Is the list above exhaustive?
> > > If so, a Jira Ticker for each of them where we track decommissioning.
> > > For some of them that may already exist. An overall Jira 
> > > "netbeans.org" ticket too which links to the individual tickets. 
> > > Then we work from that from that Jira plan.
> > >
> > >
> > > my 2c.
> > >
> > > Lars
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:32 PM Ernie Rael 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Absolutely, it's a good looking replacement for the old portal.
> > > > I'll be
> > > > happy to see the new portal's catalog available automatically in 
> > > > NB.
> > > >
> > > > -ernie
> > > >
> > > > On 1/14/2020 12:52 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> > > > > And the NETBEANS-3569 issue has been implemented.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my opinion, the new NetBeans Plugin Portal 3.0 is ready to 
> > > > > replace the old one. I hope you agree Ernie.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > -Jirka
> > > > >
> > > > > Dne 07. 01. 20 v 19:43 Ernie Rael napsal(a):
> > > > > > On 1/3/2020 1:05 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Antonio,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready 
> > > > > > > for usage
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe that until [NETBEANS-3569] is resolved, the portal 
> > > > > > is not ready for general usage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's fine for creating the update 

Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Jiří Kovalský]

Hi Eric,

   we have only manually migrated the most precious Wiki pages and as 
far as I know there is nothing planned to bulk migrate everything. In my 
opinion it is not even needed but if anyone would want to host the 
snapshot of the wiki.netbeans.org, we can create a MySQL dump and 
publish it somewhere for download together with all images/attachments. 
Should be just a couple of GBs.


Best regards,
-Jirka

Dne 14. 01. 20 v 11:39 Eric Barboni napsal(a):

Hi Jirka
  Very late to the thread.

  Is there a way to backup wiki.netbeans.org ? We migrate a few page, but I see 
missing one linked from apidoc.

  If I'm right, turning off netbeans.org will also remove the following:
  apidoc from 5.5 to 8.2
  nexus for netbeans and visualvm (the maven artefacts from 5.5 to 8.2)
  some documentation in platform.netbeans.org or some  .netbeans.org

Best Regards
Eric
  
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De : Jiří Kovalský 
Envoyé : mardi 14 janvier 2020 09:53
À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
Objet : Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

And the NETBEANS-3569 issue has been implemented.

In my opinion, the new NetBeans Plugin Portal 3.0 is ready to replace the old 
one. I hope you agree Ernie.

Thanks,
-Jirka

Dne 07. 01. 20 v 19:43 Ernie Rael napsal(a):

On 1/3/2020 1:05 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:

Hi Antonio,

in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for usage


I believe that until [NETBEANS-3569] is resolved, the portal is not
ready for general usage.

It's fine for creating the update center catalog, but not for user
browsing or downloading.

-ernie

[NETBEANS-3569]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org
_jira_browse_NETBEANS-2D3569=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIr
MUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyN
Tb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=JtwSZNx7C6MpXY_FtzO1piKcWAiPBHKI
gKmiz_ZmjyA=

   unsuitable/failed-verification plugin not indicated as such
by plugin portal



and if anyone would like to access the old plugins s/he can use the
snapshot [2] hosted on Emilian's private VM.

[1]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netbeans-2Dvm.apa
che.org_pluginportal_=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65e
apI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7to
hclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=ycECpvpGMDj68vnP0CmMChRDhTv4phmlQ6xM
elh3WdQ=
[2]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org
_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Where-2Bto-2Bdownload-2Bplugins-2Bfor-2B
NetBeans-2B10.0-2Band-2Bearlier=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv
7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_u
KKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=2vTtGB--cbv4J6m1nT5VG8YKDK
AQT6UvJXfJtuBSoLo=

-Jirka

Dne 02. 01. 20 v 19:03 antonio napsal(a):


Hi Jirka,

There's an open issue here
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.o
rg_jira_browse_INFRA-2D17245-3FfocusedCommentId-3D16876231-26page-3D
com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels-253Acomment-2Dtabpan
el-23comment-2D16876231=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB
65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP
0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=B0m3fYY_FOJ17cE4dm9zTb8IiDQ0Avb
Ft5IaLPe8lBg=

It seems the plugin portal will stop working. Don't know if the new
plugin portal is a substitute.

Cheers,
Antonio

El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hello folks,

 as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level
Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?

 Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is
anyone aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle
infrastructure hosting the legacy services?

Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before
we turn the servers off or we are ready?

[1]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__hg.netbeans.or
g=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0S
KeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_
Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=gil4WTW5pj9CeCyxwrfhlTSaoQ2ivvww-rMgjfqITAw=

-Jirka

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Re: NetBeans language bundle

[Marcos Muñoz]

Hi.

After a few months there seems to be no progress with Netbeans translations.

What news can be contributed to the matter?
What progress is made on the subject? Maybe it worked and I don't know ...

Greetings!

On 2019/09/19 16:34:23, Boris Heithecker  wrote: 
> Hi,
> I think all the community translations are now in the 3rd donation zip (
> http://bits.netbeans.org/download/apache-donation/ApacheNetBeansDonation3.
> zip ). So they have been donated, but they can't be publish within the
> Apache infrastructure as along as the license headers havn't been fixed.
> This is tedious. I started it for the German part:
> https://github.com/borisheithecker/netbeans-translations-de
> (Christian, you probably find you work from the old days here...)
> This is a one-module approach, i.e. you install/add one additional module
> to your IDE or platform app to get one language. These modules could be
> made public in a separate repository. I would mean decoupling the
> translations from the main repository, which is very large already.
> Boris
> 
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 11:30, Christian Pervoelz 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > just for interest, as I was one of the community translators bringing
> > German to NetBeans.
> >
> > What happened to these community translations?
> > Did Oracle donate them too and if yes, where can I find them? Already
> > looked through the sources and hadn't found anything.
> >
> > I think a lot of these translations are still valid and can be re-used for
> > a lot of languages.
> >
> > But as Boris already said, there might be licensing issues to be cleared
> > first.
> >
> > Regards
> > CP
> >
> >
> > Am Mo., 16. Sept. 2019 um 09:02 Uhr schrieb Boris Heithecker <
> > boris.heithec...@gmx.net>:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > to continue my work on the localisation, I need a decision on where to
> > > publish the localisation modules. There'll be one module per language.
> > > For those who want to work on the individual modules, an adapted license
> > > conversion tool could perhaps be published at
> > https://github.com/apache/
> > > netbeans-tools  . Still a
> > > decision is pending.
> > > I could continue to work on it in October.
> > > Boris
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 08:51, Geertjan Wielenga 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Maybe here: https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:07 AM Boris Heithecker <
> > > boris.heithec...@gmx.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I'd need a (decision about a) place for the documentation
> > (Confluence?)
> > > >> and
> > > >> place in the repository/a separate repository to put the plugins (or a
> > > >> decision on that question). And people ready to comb through the files
> > > of
> > > >> their languages for license inconsistencies.
> > > >> Boris
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 18:42, Marcos Muñoz 
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hi.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Is there any news about this?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > How do we create new languages from donated languages?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Greetings.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 2019/07/26 11:01:54, Boris Heithecker 
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > I think the first step should be now to create a few language
> > > plug-ins
> > > >> > from
> > > >> > > the existing (donated) bundle. The next step could be to set up
> > this
> > > >> > > "pootle" server from Apache (I didn't know it before) to give the
> > > >> > community
> > > >> > > a way to fix missing translations and add new ones.
> > > >> > > Boris
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 17:43, Eric Barboni 
> > > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > I just found https://translate.apache.org/
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Would this service be of interest to the work ?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Regards
> > > >> > > > Eric
> > > >> > > > -Message d'origine-
> > > >> > > > De : Marcos Muñoz Iglesias 
> > > >> > > > Envoyé : jeudi 25 juillet 2019 17:31
> > > >> > > > À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
> > > >> > > > Objet : NetBeans language bundle
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Good afternoon.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I would like the "Spanish" language to be included.
> > > >> > > > I don't know how the voting will be done but I think that
> > Spanish
> > > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > > second most spoken language in the world. I don't think this
> > > >> language
> > > >> > is a
> > > >> > > > nuisance to the user.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Regards,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> -
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> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > >> > > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > >> > > >

RE: Apache NetBeans Release 11.3?

[Eric Barboni]

I started modifying the confluence page.

Hope it will be ok


-Message d'origine-
De : Geertjan Wielenga  
Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2020 11:41
À : dev 
Objet : Re: Apache NetBeans Release 11.3?

Eric definitely is RM for 11.3 yes. :-)

Gj

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:30 AM Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:00, Eric Barboni  wrote:
> > We still need time to synchro with Neil  to update wiki for 
> > documenting
> release process. (I'm available on slack ASF or NetBeans)
>
> Yes, a few things that probably need rewriting, given some infra and 
> build changes.  I did try and keep mostly up to date during previous 
> releases, but think it's useful for me and the new RM to talk through.
>
> Eric, are you definitely RM'ing this one?
>
> I'm tied up with client work this week, but can look at this one day 
> early next week - let me know a good time.
>
> > It seems that travis is not ok may not be good to create branch
> release113 at the time.
>
> I would still announce the freeze ASAP, with a [NOTICE] email - 
> started adding [NOTICE] after a few people said there was too much 
> traffic on dev@ and they hadn't seen it!  Tag with milestone what 
> definitely needs pulling in, and put the next (see below) milestone on 
> others.  And yes, probably best to branch when you're about ready for 
> first beta, and when Travis is mostly back working.  Get used to 
> retriggering Travis, it's a flaky beast! ;-)
>
> Last two releases I aimed to have beta builds every Wednesday, 
> although for various reasons didn't always manage that, more with 
> build changes in 11.2.  If new RM / we want to continue that or 
> similar, we should perhaps document it?  Regular weekly betas are good 
> for everyone anyway IMO.
>
> > At the end, If PR not reviewed it will be for 12.0
>
> Or 12.1 for some?!  We might want to make both milestones available 
> now.  Introducing radical changes in an LTS may not be the best 
> approach.
>
> Speaking of LTS, now might also be the time to get the NetCAT team 
> reviewing test specs leading up to 12.0 too?  At 11.3 freeze, major 
> features for 12.0 should be mostly there, and if we're to schedule, 
> freeze for 12.0 is only two months away now. :-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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Re: Apache NetBeans Release 11.3?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Eric definitely is RM for 11.3 yes. :-)

Gj

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:30 AM Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:00, Eric Barboni  wrote:
> > We still need time to synchro with Neil  to update wiki for documenting
> release process. (I'm available on slack ASF or NetBeans)
>
> Yes, a few things that probably need rewriting, given some infra and
> build changes.  I did try and keep mostly up to date during previous
> releases, but think it's useful for me and the new RM to talk through.
>
> Eric, are you definitely RM'ing this one?
>
> I'm tied up with client work this week, but can look at this one day
> early next week - let me know a good time.
>
> > It seems that travis is not ok may not be good to create branch
> release113 at the time.
>
> I would still announce the freeze ASAP, with a [NOTICE] email -
> started adding [NOTICE] after a few people said there was too much
> traffic on dev@ and they hadn't seen it!  Tag with milestone what
> definitely needs pulling in, and put the next (see below) milestone on
> others.  And yes, probably best to branch when you're about ready for
> first beta, and when Travis is mostly back working.  Get used to
> retriggering Travis, it's a flaky beast! ;-)
>
> Last two releases I aimed to have beta builds every Wednesday,
> although for various reasons didn't always manage that, more with
> build changes in 11.2.  If new RM / we want to continue that or
> similar, we should perhaps document it?  Regular weekly betas are good
> for everyone anyway IMO.
>
> > At the end, If PR not reviewed it will be for 12.0
>
> Or 12.1 for some?!  We might want to make both milestones available
> now.  Introducing radical changes in an LTS may not be the best
> approach.
>
> Speaking of LTS, now might also be the time to get the NetCAT team
> reviewing test specs leading up to 12.0 too?  At 11.3 freeze, major
> features for 12.0 should be mostly there, and if we're to schedule,
> freeze for 12.0 is only two months away now. :-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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Re: Apache NetBeans Release 11.3?

[Neil C Smith]

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:00, Eric Barboni  wrote:
> We still need time to synchro with Neil  to update wiki for documenting 
> release process. (I'm available on slack ASF or NetBeans)

Yes, a few things that probably need rewriting, given some infra and
build changes.  I did try and keep mostly up to date during previous
releases, but think it's useful for me and the new RM to talk through.

Eric, are you definitely RM'ing this one?

I'm tied up with client work this week, but can look at this one day
early next week - let me know a good time.

> It seems that travis is not ok may not be good to create branch release113 at 
> the time.

I would still announce the freeze ASAP, with a [NOTICE] email -
started adding [NOTICE] after a few people said there was too much
traffic on dev@ and they hadn't seen it!  Tag with milestone what
definitely needs pulling in, and put the next (see below) milestone on
others.  And yes, probably best to branch when you're about ready for
first beta, and when Travis is mostly back working.  Get used to
retriggering Travis, it's a flaky beast! ;-)

Last two releases I aimed to have beta builds every Wednesday,
although for various reasons didn't always manage that, more with
build changes in 11.2.  If new RM / we want to continue that or
similar, we should perhaps document it?  Regular weekly betas are good
for everyone anyway IMO.

> At the end, If PR not reviewed it will be for 12.0

Or 12.1 for some?!  We might want to make both milestones available
now.  Introducing radical changes in an LTS may not be the best
approach.

Speaking of LTS, now might also be the time to get the NetCAT team
reviewing test specs leading up to 12.0 too?  At 11.3 freeze, major
features for 12.0 should be mostly there, and if we're to schedule,
freeze for 12.0 is only two months away now. :-)

Best wishes,

Neil

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RE: Apache NetBeans Release 11.3?

[Eric Barboni]

Hi, 
We still need time to synchro with Neil  to update wiki for documenting release 
process. (I'm available on slack ASF or NetBeans)

It seems that travis is not ok may not be good to create branch release113 at 
the time.

At the end, If PR not reviewed it will be for 12.0 

Regards
Eric

-Message d'origine-
De : Laszlo Kishalmi  
Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2020 03:29
À : Apache NetBeans 
Objet : Apache NetBeans Release 11.3?

There are PR-s needs to be reviewed! Release process needs to be kicked off...

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