Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
I do as well use the platform zip for the same reasons as Joerg (even if we use Maven most of the time other envrionments), but I can certainly go with the whole bundle, but please it needs to be properly documented. Not sure I will be able to remember in a few month the exact command-line you suggest above. Cheers, JM On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 11:23 AM Joerg Michelberger wrote: > Hi Neil, > > Thanks for that build info creating the platform source zip from IDE source > zip. > As it does the job, we go that way. > > Thanks. > > Regards, > Joerg > > Neil C Smith schrieb am Do., 3. Nov. 2022, 10:30: > > > On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 at 09:12, Joerg Michelberger > > wrote: > > > We use the platform zip as a starting point for our platform based > > > applications. > > > We are building by source in a separate network, not connected to the > > > internet. > > > It is convenient have the platform as separate clear isolated zip, so > we > > > have not extract it from the IDE zip. > > > > > > It would be nice to keep the separated platform zip form. > > > > Extraction is quite easy. If you download the source zip of the IDE and > > run .. > > > > ant build-source-config -Dcluster.config=platform > > > > .. you'll end up with a zip like we've been distributing. It's a > > quick process, unlike all required to release it. Would that extra > > step cause problems for you? > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Neil > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
Hi Neil, Thanks for that build info creating the platform source zip from IDE source zip. As it does the job, we go that way. Thanks. Regards, Joerg Neil C Smith schrieb am Do., 3. Nov. 2022, 10:30: > On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 at 09:12, Joerg Michelberger > wrote: > > We use the platform zip as a starting point for our platform based > > applications. > > We are building by source in a separate network, not connected to the > > internet. > > It is convenient have the platform as separate clear isolated zip, so we > > have not extract it from the IDE zip. > > > > It would be nice to keep the separated platform zip form. > > Extraction is quite easy. If you download the source zip of the IDE and > run .. > > ant build-source-config -Dcluster.config=platform > > .. you'll end up with a zip like we've been distributing. It's a > quick process, unlike all required to release it. Would that extra > step cause problems for you? > > Best wishes, > > Neil > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 at 09:12, Joerg Michelberger wrote: > We use the platform zip as a starting point for our platform based > applications. > We are building by source in a separate network, not connected to the > internet. > It is convenient have the platform as separate clear isolated zip, so we > have not extract it from the IDE zip. > > It would be nice to keep the separated platform zip form. Extraction is quite easy. If you download the source zip of the IDE and run .. ant build-source-config -Dcluster.config=platform .. you'll end up with a zip like we've been distributing. It's a quick process, unlike all required to release it. Would that extra step cause problems for you? Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
Hi Neil, sorry for late jump in the conversation. We use the platform zip as a starting point for our platform based applications. We are building by source in a separate network, not connected to the internet. It is convenient have the platform as separate clear isolated zip, so we have not extract it from the IDE zip. It would be nice to keep the separated platform zip form. Regards, Joerg Jaroslav Tulach schrieb am So., 30. Okt. 2022, 20:40: > Drop them. > > I do care about NetBeans Platform, but people who use it shall use Maven > artifacts to begin with these days. > > If they really want a ZIP distribution, they can download IDE and keep > just > the platform cluster. > > -jt > > Dne čtvrtek 20. října 2022 12:28:16 CET, Neil C Smith napsal(a): > > Hi All, > > > > Every release we include source and binary zip artefacts for the > > platform alone. eg. > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/netbeans-platform/15/ > > > > Even the source zip is treated as an artefact of the main release. > > It's not voted on separately, and I don't know how many other people > > bother to check them? > > > > They seem like an added complexity to the release process with minimal > > benefit (and a few issues). I'm not sure we link them in from > > anywhere? I'm not sure if there's much of a need for them? > > > > So, does anyone have a good argument or use case for continuing to > > include these? Otherwise, I plan not to include them as artefacts in > > the next (NB16) release vote. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Neil > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
Drop them. I do care about NetBeans Platform, but people who use it shall use Maven artifacts to begin with these days. If they really want a ZIP distribution, they can download IDE and keep just the platform cluster. -jt Dne čtvrtek 20. října 2022 12:28:16 CET, Neil C Smith napsal(a): > Hi All, > > Every release we include source and binary zip artefacts for the > platform alone. eg. > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/netbeans-platform/15/ > > Even the source zip is treated as an artefact of the main release. > It's not voted on separately, and I don't know how many other people > bother to check them? > > They seem like an added complexity to the release process with minimal > benefit (and a few issues). I'm not sure we link them in from > anywhere? I'm not sure if there's much of a need for them? > > So, does anyone have a good argument or use case for continuing to > include these? Otherwise, I plan not to include them as artefacts in > the next (NB16) release vote. > > Thanks, > > Neil > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
Hi Neil, > The files in question are netbeans-platform-15-bin.zip and > netbeans-platform-15-source.zip. Oh, sorry. I've overlooked the "platform"... > Do you use those for anything? No. Thanks Karl (DevCharly) On 22.10.2022 18:58, Neil C Smith wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 at 17:08, Karl Tauber wrote: > I'm not sure we link them in from anywhere? They are linked. Click on "download" at NB home page and you're here: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb15/ netbeans-15-bin.zip is used ... netbeans-15-source.zip is used ... We're not talking about those two files. They're definitely staying! In fact, netbeans-15-source *is* the release. The files in question are netbeans-platform-15-bin.zip and netbeans-platform-15-source.zip. Do you use those for anything? The easiest way to find out whether they are widely used would be to have some download numbers... https://logging1-he-de.apache.org/stats/ (requires Apache login) I can't get them to show up at all in the search though, which suggests close to zero. The files you mentioned above are well used and will be near the top if you search for NetBeans. Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 at 17:08, Karl Tauber wrote: > > I'm not sure we link them in from anywhere? > > They are linked. > > Click on "download" at NB home page and you're here: > https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb15/ > > netbeans-15-bin.zip is used ... > netbeans-15-source.zip is used ... We're not talking about those two files. They're definitely staying! In fact, netbeans-15-source *is* the release. The files in question are netbeans-platform-15-bin.zip and netbeans-platform-15-source.zip. Do you use those for anything? > The easiest way to find out whether they are widely used would be to > have some download numbers... https://logging1-he-de.apache.org/stats/ (requires Apache login) I can't get them to show up at all in the search though, which suggests close to zero. The files you mentioned above are well used and will be near the top if you search for NetBeans. Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
Hi, > I'm not sure we link them in from anywhere? They are linked. Click on "download" at NB home page and you're here: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb15/ First download link is netbeans-15-bin.zip. We, here at FormDev Software, use both. netbeans-15-bin.zip is used to auto-extract some JARs needed to check binary/source compatibility of JFormDesigner plugin. We also use it on Linux. netbeans-15-source.zip is used for debugging JFormDesigner plugin. Development of JFormDesigner is mostly done in Eclipse and we have launch scripts to debug JFormDesigner plugin in all supported NetBeans versions. I think netbeans-15-bin.zip is useful for people that can not (or do not want) use the installers. Simply extract it and run it. Also useful for Linux users. netbeans-15-source.zip could be useful for NB platform development. The easiest way to find out whether they are widely used would be to have some download numbers... Karl (DevCharly) On 20.10.2022 12:28, Neil C Smith wrote: Hi All, Every release we include source and binary zip artefacts for the platform alone. eg. https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/netbeans-platform/15/ Even the source zip is treated as an artefact of the main release. It's not voted on separately, and I don't know how many other people bother to check them? They seem like an added complexity to the release process with minimal benefit (and a few issues). I'm not sure we link them in from anywhere? I'm not sure if there's much of a need for them? So, does anyone have a good argument or use case for continuing to include these? Otherwise, I plan not to include them as artefacts in the next (NB16) release vote. Thanks, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 11:57, Neil C Smith wrote: > On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 11:30, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > Isn’t it useful/needed for apps created on top of the NetBeans Platform? > > Needed, no. Useful? Not sure, hence the questions. I'd also add that I can't even get the platform binary / source zips to show up in the download stats tool at https://logging1-he-de.apache.org/stats/ (requires Apache login) Which might suggest that even if they're useful, as we're not linking them from anywhere as far as I know, usage is practically non-existent. Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
Makes sense. Gj On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 12:57, Neil C Smith wrote: > On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 11:30, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > Isn’t it useful/needed for apps created on top of the NetBeans Platform? > > Needed, no. Useful? Not sure, hence the questions. > > Not adding in main vote doesn't stop them being uploaded subsequently > either, should a need arise later. > > Best wishes, > > Neil > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 11:30, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Isn’t it useful/needed for apps created on top of the NetBeans Platform? Needed, no. Useful? Not sure, hence the questions. Not adding in main vote doesn't stop them being uploaded subsequently either, should a need arise later. Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
Isn’t it useful/needed for apps created on top of the NetBeans Platform? Gj On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 12:28, Neil C Smith wrote: > Hi All, > > Every release we include source and binary zip artefacts for the > platform alone. eg. > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/netbeans-platform/15/ > > Even the source zip is treated as an artefact of the main release. > It's not voted on separately, and I don't know how many other people > bother to check them? > > They seem like an added complexity to the release process with minimal > benefit (and a few issues). I'm not sure we link them in from > anywhere? I'm not sure if there's much of a need for them? > > So, does anyone have a good argument or use case for continuing to > include these? Otherwise, I plan not to include them as artefacts in > the next (NB16) release vote. > > Thanks, > > Neil > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
[DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?
Hi All, Every release we include source and binary zip artefacts for the platform alone. eg. https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/netbeans-platform/15/ Even the source zip is treated as an artefact of the main release. It's not voted on separately, and I don't know how many other people bother to check them? They seem like an added complexity to the release process with minimal benefit (and a few issues). I'm not sure we link them in from anywhere? I'm not sure if there's much of a need for them? So, does anyone have a good argument or use case for continuing to include these? Otherwise, I plan not to include them as artefacts in the next (NB16) release vote. Thanks, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
