Re: [Mentors] Advice on branding of Apache NetBeans book

[Emilian Bold]

I think you start with reading https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/

--emi

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On 20 July 2018 9:52 PM, Walter Nyland  wrote:

> Hi mentors,
> 
> We're updating https://leanpub.com/nbp4beginners.
> 
> We want to:
> 
> -- use the name "Apache NetBeans" and "Apache NetBeans Platform" instead of 
> "NetBeans" and "NetBeans Platform"
> 
> -   use the Apache NetBeans logo
> 
> Is this allowed? Must any text be added to the book to allow this? Any 
> licensing involved?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Walt
>


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Re:

[Emilian Bold]

Might be a bug with newer JDKs?

If you can reproduce it report it to 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/summary please.

--emi

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On 19 July 2018 9:43 AM, j-buech...@t-online.de  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I just installed NetBeans 9.0 RC1 under WIN10 and java 10.0.1.
> 
> Being new to NetBeans I first clicked on [Take a Tour] and received the Error 
> message:
> 
> "Could not access the URL through the external browser. Check the browser 
> configuration."
> 
> First I would have appreciated a hint where this can be done 
> (Tools/Options/General) and
> 
> second I wonder why my Firefox is not detected, although it is set as default 
> in the Windows settings under Apps/Standard Apps.
> 
> However, when explicitly selecting Firefox in the Options dialog, everythings 
> works fine.
> 
> Thanks for developing NetBeans and
> 
> best regards
> 
> Jörg
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Mentors] Advice on branding of Apache NetBeans book

[Delfi Ramirez]

Hi Walter:

I speak on behalf of myself, but I am pretty sure  the mentoring community will 
agree : 

Apache Netbeans runs under the Apache license, that is the license involved 

Netbeans 9 differs subtly from previous versions. If in doubt, please, read the 
wiki, all the doubts that may arise about logostypes and/or trades are 
explained briefly in there

Hope it helps.

Cheers



,Delfi Ramirez

Segonquart Studio

https://segonquart.net

From: Walter Nyland
Sent: 20 July 2018 20:56
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: [Mentors] Advice on branding of Apache NetBeans book

Hi mentors,
We're updating https://leanpub.com/nbp4beginners.
We want to:
-- use the name "Apache NetBeans" and "Apache NetBeans Platform" instead of 
"NetBeans" and "NetBeans Platform"
- use the Apache NetBeans logo
Is this allowed? Must any text be added to the book to allow this? Any 
licensing involved?
Thanks,
Walt

Voting

[Kenneth Fogel]

While I am on this list I never made it to 
d...@netbeans.apache.org. Wishing to follow 
the steps in 
https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/tentative-schedule-for-apache-netbeans 
it appears I need a different level of access. Could someone point me in the 
right direction to get this resolved?

Thanks,

Ken Fogel

Re: [ module ] [ nbm ] [ jar ] Packaging external jar libraries into nbm for distribution

[Attila Kelemen]

It depends on what build you are using. I'm using Radim's Gradle plugin
, and it works fine: You
should add NB modules to providedCompile and modules wrapped into the nbm
to simply compile and then just run the "nbm" task.

bye,
Attila Kelemen

George Troulis  ezt írta (időpont: 2018. júl. 20.,
P, 10:51):

> I am developing a module for NetBeans IDE 8.2, and I am using the external
> JFreeChart API in my module. I have set up the IDE to include the necessary
> library jar files as “Wrapped Libraries,” and the module works well.
>
>
>
> When I package the module into an NBM plugin file, I wish to package those
> external jar libraries as well, such that I only need to distribute that
> single NBM file.
>
>
> What is the best way to do this? Thanks in advance
>

Hint PopUp (Alt+Enter) in Editor (NETBEANS-1063)

[Laszlo Kishalmi]

Hi all,

Does somebody know which part of the code to look when I'm about to find 
our the Hint Popup component display?


I'd like to see if I can remove the extra paints when we display that. 
Right now we display an empty box, then paint the component. It looks a 
bit unprofessional, while we could display the code completion and 
generation (Alt+Insert) PopUp on instant.


Thanks!


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Re: Compiling on Windows & Splash Screen

[Kenneth Fogel]

Will do.

Ken Fogel
Co-Chairperson and Co-Program Coordinater
Computer Science Technology
Dawson College
3040 Sherbrooke St. W
Westmount, Quebec
H3Z 1A4, Canada
Tel: 514-931-8731 x 4799
Twitter: @omniprof


From: Geertjan Wielenga 
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 4:09 PM
To: dev
Subject: Re: Compiling on Windows & Splash Screen

Great, thanks for this feedback, please do the two things described here:

https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/tentative-schedule-for-apache-netbeans

Gj


On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 9:49 PM, Kenneth Fogel 
wrote:

> I have successfully compiled RC1 (31 min) and created the minimal Hello
> World. Then compiled VC3 (26 min) and when it started it wanted either
> nb-javac installed or have me switch to Java 9. I installed nb-javac and my
> Hello World worked. I have 46 sample programs that I use in my Fall desktop
> course, all Maven based, that I will try out.
>
> I have one comment concerning the splash screen. The text is far too
> small. It should be at least 3x larger. Show it on a HiDPI (4K) display
> and the text will disappear. This brings up the possible need for two
> splash images. One for up to 2K displays and one for greater than 2K.
>
> Ken
>
>

Re: Compiling on Windows & Splash Screen

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great, thanks for this feedback, please do the two things described here:

https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/tentative-schedule-for-apache-netbeans

Gj


On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 9:49 PM, Kenneth Fogel 
wrote:

> I have successfully compiled RC1 (31 min) and created the minimal Hello
> World. Then compiled VC3 (26 min) and when it started it wanted either
> nb-javac installed or have me switch to Java 9. I installed nb-javac and my
> Hello World worked. I have 46 sample programs that I use in my Fall desktop
> course, all Maven based, that I will try out.
>
> I have one comment concerning the splash screen. The text is far too
> small.  It should be at least 3x larger. Show it on a HiDPI (4K) display
> and the text will disappear. This brings up the possible need for two
> splash images. One for up to 2K displays and one for greater than 2K.
>
> Ken
>
>

Compiling on Windows & Splash Screen

[Kenneth Fogel]

I have successfully compiled RC1 (31 min) and created the minimal Hello World. 
Then compiled VC3 (26 min) and when it started it wanted either nb-javac 
installed or have me switch to Java 9. I installed nb-javac and my Hello World 
worked. I have 46 sample programs that I use in my Fall desktop course, all 
Maven based, that I will try out.

I have one comment concerning the splash screen. The text is far too small.  It 
should be at least 3x larger. Show it on a HiDPI (4K) display and the text will 
disappear. This brings up the possible need for two splash images. One for up 
to 2K displays and one for greater than 2K.

Ken

Re: Apache NetBeans Platform for Beginners

[Javier Ortiz]

Being part of the open source code I assume same licensing applies. But I'm
no legal expert.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018, 11:03 AM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:

> That's great news.
>
> It means that in the other thread about the Apress book started by Josh,
> the focus can be less on the Apache NetBeans Platform, since that's covered
> well in your book.
>
> I don't know about usage of logos and branding -- can someone else advise?
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Walter Nyland <
> walternyl...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I’m one of the auhors of leanpub.com/nbp4beginners.
> >
> > There’s continual interest in our book and clearly the Java desktop
> domain
> > is alive and well. Meanwhile, nothing comparable to the Apache NetBeans
> > Platform exists — and is now even stronger with its Apache license and
> > backing by the ASF.
> >
> > We're therefore working on an update to the book, with a commitment to
> > quarterly updates, and of course everyone who already purchased it will
> > continue to get everything for free.
> >
> > We want our book to be the standard guide for the usage of the core of
> > Apache NetBeans, i.e., specifically the platform. We have no plans
> > currently to go beyond that.
> >
> > We’ll be rebranding the book. What do we need to do to use the new logo
> > and branding?
> >
> > Thanks, great job everyone, hope the book will continue to be of benefit.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Walt
> >
> > -
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Apache NetBeans Platform for Beginners

[Geertjan Wielenga]

That's great news.

It means that in the other thread about the Apress book started by Josh,
the focus can be less on the Apache NetBeans Platform, since that's covered
well in your book.

I don't know about usage of logos and branding -- can someone else advise?

Gj



On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Walter Nyland <
walternyl...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’m one of the auhors of leanpub.com/nbp4beginners.
>
> There’s continual interest in our book and clearly the Java desktop domain
> is alive and well. Meanwhile, nothing comparable to the Apache NetBeans
> Platform exists — and is now even stronger with its Apache license and
> backing by the ASF.
>
> We're therefore working on an update to the book, with a commitment to
> quarterly updates, and of course everyone who already purchased it will
> continue to get everything for free.
>
> We want our book to be the standard guide for the usage of the core of
> Apache NetBeans, i.e., specifically the platform. We have no plans
> currently to go beyond that.
>
> We’ll be rebranding the book. What do we need to do to use the new logo
> and branding?
>
> Thanks, great job everyone, hope the book will continue to be of benefit.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Walt
>
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RE: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

[Delfi Ramirez]

Hi John, Hi all:

As mentioned by Pete et al, the agreement on an Apache License, should not be a 
problem for a publisher company. Based on experience no other reason

said that, below some mumbles and personal guessing’s, to your kind 
consideration


• The use of a collaborative tool ( authoring collaboration environments )  to 
print the result, is your decision.

• The main structure of the book as clearly defined by Gert, weeks ago.  Three 
main branches or chapters.

• The license and contract that featured authors may sign with the publisher, ( 
For example : “It is true that author have, and one else has, written chapter 
number nine” ) shall be written in a formal mode before the publishing. Each 
author and/or collaborator shall have all the third-party permissions required 
before he/she presents the paper/chapter. Other authors and companies should be 
credited, too.

• Errata and other classical editorial stuff should be in charge of the 
publisher.

• Designer of the book ( cover, back cover, typography, et al ) should be also 
credited, and work hand in hand with the leader – this is you – of the printed 
collab project.

• There shall be indicated as footnotes, as an annex, or in the most feasible 
way, links and or URIs where the reader and consumer of the book, who is the 
final and most important part of this project, can extend or acquire the 
information given by our community.

• As a tool of single communication between humans, and supported by  the wiki 
, besides personal interests, the printed book should be viewed a gift and a 
need for the reader or our targeted audience, being us just producers of 
content delivered.

• It shall be both oriented to the expert and the newbie, and those two areas 
may have to be clearly indicated.


• Openness and opened doors to future members , highly recommended, shall be 
also promoted


Your turn.

Cheers




Delfi Ramirez

Segonquart Studio

https://segonquart.net

From: John Kostaras
Sent: 20 July 2018 09:47
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

Yes, one of the first questions with Apress will be if they have some
authoring collaboration environment
or if they would accept a book written using the Apache collaboration model.



On Thu, 19 Jul 2018 at 12:44, Bertrand Delacretaz 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:16 AM Delfi Ramirez 
> wrote:
> > ...I understand that each collaborator will arrange and make a cession,
> written and signed, of his
> > contribution to the community, and of course will have permission of
> his/her contractor – if there
> > is such a personal scenario – on behalf the community
>
> FWIW the Apache collaboration model enables this, so if the NetBeans
> (P)PMC decides that the book content is just part of the NetBeans
> project all these mechanisms are available.
>
> The unknown in this case is whether a book producer would agree to
> print that book, as the Apache License allows anybody to do that (with
> due credit etc. and respecting Apache trademarks) so they wouldn't be
> protected against competition.
>
> And authors wouldn't make money (do they anyway?) but "just" get
> reputation by having contributed to that effort. Which might be worth
> more, actually, even from a business point of view ;-)
>
> -Bertrand
>
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>

Apache NetBeans Platform for Beginners

[Walter Nyland]

Hi all,

I’m one of the auhors of leanpub.com/nbp4beginners.

There’s continual interest in our book and clearly the Java desktop domain is 
alive and well. Meanwhile, nothing comparable to the Apache NetBeans Platform 
exists — and is now even stronger with its Apache license and backing by the 
ASF.

We're therefore working on an update to the book, with a commitment to 
quarterly updates, and of course everyone who already purchased it will 
continue to get everything for free.

We want our book to be the standard guide for the usage of the core of Apache 
NetBeans, i.e., specifically the platform. We have no plans currently to go 
beyond that.

We’ll be rebranding the book. What do we need to do to use the new logo and 
branding?

Thanks, great job everyone, hope the book will continue to be of benefit.


Regards,

Walt

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Re: [ module ] [ nbm ] [ jar ] Packaging external jar libraries into nbm for distribution

[Geertjan Wielenga]

When you use Wrapped Libraries, those JARs should automatically be wrapped
into the NBM.

Also get leanpub.com/nbp4beginners if you don’t have it yet.

Gj



On Thursday, July 19, 2018, George Troulis  wrote:

> I am developing a module for NetBeans IDE 8.2, and I am using the external
> JFreeChart API in my module. I have set up the IDE to include the necessary
> library jar files as “Wrapped Libraries,” and the module works well.
>
>
>
> When I package the module into an NBM plugin file, I wish to package those
> external jar libraries as well, such that I only need to distribute that
> single NBM file.
>
>
> What is the best way to do this? Thanks in advance
>

Re: status of plugin migration for netbeans 9 @ apache?

[travis . furrer]

Netbeans gradle plugin releases can be downloaded manually from here:
https://github.com/kelemen/netbeans-gradle-project/releases
There is one release there for Netbeans 9 already.  Once the new plugin portal 
is has it, I assume it will be downloadable through Netbeans just as it was in 
previous versions.

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[ module ] [ nbm ] [ jar ] Packaging external jar libraries into nbm for distribution

[George Troulis]

I am developing a module for NetBeans IDE 8.2, and I am using the external
JFreeChart API in my module. I have set up the IDE to include the necessary
library jar files as “Wrapped Libraries,” and the module works well.



When I package the module into an NBM plugin file, I wish to package those
external jar libraries as well, such that I only need to distribute that
single NBM file.


What is the best way to do this? Thanks in advance

Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

[John Kostaras]

Yes, one of the first questions with Apress will be if they have some
authoring collaboration environment
or if they would accept a book written using the Apache collaboration model.



On Thu, 19 Jul 2018 at 12:44, Bertrand Delacretaz 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:16 AM Delfi Ramirez 
> wrote:
> > ...I understand that each collaborator will arrange and make a cession,
> written and signed, of his
> > contribution to the community, and of course will have permission of
> his/her contractor – if there
> > is such a personal scenario – on behalf the community
>
> FWIW the Apache collaboration model enables this, so if the NetBeans
> (P)PMC decides that the book content is just part of the NetBeans
> project all these mechanisms are available.
>
> The unknown in this case is whether a book producer would agree to
> print that book, as the Apache License allows anybody to do that (with
> due credit etc. and respecting Apache trademarks) so they wouldn't be
> protected against competition.
>
> And authors wouldn't make money (do they anyway?) but "just" get
> reputation by having contributed to that effort. Which might be worth
> more, actually, even from a business point of view ;-)
>
> -Bertrand
>
> -
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>
>
>

Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

[John Kostaras]

Thanks Josh. I don't have much experience with publishers as I prefer the
wiki books, but yes please.

On Thu, 19 Jul 2018 at 00:26, Josh Juneau  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I do not personally have much experience with open source (free) books.
> However, for the Jython book we were able to use an online copy of it on
> the Jython wiki.  Not sure if we could do something similar here.
>
> John, if you are interested in becoming the lead then that is great.  I
> can work with you to get in touch with the editor to get the project
> started.
>
> We should decide as a community first on how we want this book to be
> published...vis Apress or other means?
>
> Personally I have worked with Apress many times now and they are very
> accommodating. However, I am open to looking at a free alternative if the
> group would rather go that route.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Josh Juneau
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>
>
> > On Jul 18, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Delfi Ramirez 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, Hi Pete:
> >
> > I guess, there may be a previous formal written contract between the
> writers ( our community) and the publishing company, (APress or whoever).
> >
> > If any of the writers ( code is text, text are strings, remember) has a
> formal contract with his/her software company he/she should ask for the
> permission to act on her/his personal behalf.
> >
> > Money you pay for a physical book covers the expenses of print,
> logistics ( storage , delivering)  and marketing. It also covers the
> licenses and , if accorded, the rights of the publisher.
> >
> > Et cetera.
> >
> > Hope it helps.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > Delfi Ramirez
> >
> > Segonquart Studio
> >
> > https://segonquart.net
> >
> > From: Peter Steele
> > Sent: 18 July 2018 20:17
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book
> >
> > I had a look at Apress and there are quite a few books on netbeans (one
> > already that uses Netbeans 9 for its demos!). They all cost money
> > (unsurprisingly), I was wondering how that would fit in to a community
> > written book?
> >
> > I don't have any expertise to add myself (I'm kind of waiting till things
> > stabilise to a standard development life cycle before investing some time
> > in to adding enhancements) but was interested in how it would work.
> >
> > Is it better to actually just write a free book? Or do Apress bring a lot
> > to the venture?
> >
> >> On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 17:22 Mario Schroeder, 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Miloš,
> >>
> >> that what you describe is what I also thought about. I got an book
> about NB
> >> too, but the samples there don't use the annotations and some classes
> are
> >> even deprecated. So an update to the latest version of the platform
> would
> >> be great. I could be your copilot if you need help in reviews and
> >> correction.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mario
> >>
> >> Miloš Šilhánek  schrieb am Mi., 18. Juli 2018,
> >> 17:54:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I was been interested some years ago in NetBeans Platform. I organized
> >>> translation from English to Czech and cowrote a NetBeans Platform
> >>> Cookbook
> >>> which were not realized - it is on NB wiki pages.
> >>>
> >>> So I leaved it - because of time and the need of application based on
> NB
> >>> Platform disappears in my work.
> >>> Now is all by browser. :-(. But NBP is suitable for many application as
> >>> the
> >>> showcase shows.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The book was made for NB 6.9.1 and tested for 7.1. Many features were
> >>> moved
> >>> to annotations in this time. We both had no time to upgrade it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My English is poor so I could upgrade these examples or test new
> >> examples.
> >>>
> >>> Milos
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Původní e-mail --
> >>> Od: Delfi Ramirez 
> >>> Komu: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <
> >> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> 
> >>> Datum: 16. 7. 2018 13:56:18
> >>> Předmět: RE: Apache NetBeans Apress Book
> >>> "Hi All:
> >>>
> >>> Agreed there is the need of a chapter-by-chapter community written
> book.
> >>>
> >>> Count me in. Even if there is the need for the book, once written, of a
> >>> single translator for the whole community content.
> >>>
> >>> Even everyone of us has English as a mother tongue or second tongue, we
> >>> may
> >>> able to reach and target new markets and new loyal fellows in this
> world
> >>> wide world we live in
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Delfi Ramirez
> >>>
> >>> Segonquart Studio
> >>>
> >>> https://segonquart.net
> >>>
> >>> From: Oliver Rettig
> >>> Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47
> >>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I like the idea of a community-written book very much. This can
> encourage
> >>> people to join
> >>> our great community and it show that netbeans is now a apache project
> ...
> >>> For me the
> >>>