Re: [jira] [Commented] (OFBIZ-12489) Product Prices - VIEW permissions

[Jacopo Cappellato]

Pierre,

The OFBiz PMC has reviewed your complaints and has received some advice
from various ASF members: with this response we are implementing some of
those.
The PMC considers troublesome the fact that you feel attacked ("trolled")
by the feedback you receive by Michael (and possibly others) and that you
consider the feedback being "inappropriate", because it prevents any
possibility to discuss your contributions in a constructive manner, it
leads to heated and fruitless debates that may be unhealthy for the OFBiz
community and a waste of time for its contributors.

The PMC has thus decided to ask the project's volunteers (PMC members,
committers and contributors) to put "on hold" or reject or disregard any
of your contributions, such as code, documentation, mailing list discussions
etc. and close Jira issues and pull requests that are not straightforward
and require further interactions/discussions with you before they can be
approved or accepted.

On behalf of the Apache OFBiz PMC,

Jacopo


On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:01 AM Pierre Smits  wrote:

> Michael,
>
> I told you before in (other) tickets to stop trolling me through your
> complaints in the tickets I am working on. You continue to do this.
> Your remarks about you not committing the code contributions of
> unprivileged contributors are totally inappropriate.  Not appropriate in
> ticket comments, nor in the mailing lists of the project. Nobody is
> strong-arming you to commit or merge improvements. Nobody is expecting you
> ever will.
> Stop trying to pressure fellow contributors, collaborating to improve
> OFBiz, to follow your dictate by your attempt to frame a narrative that
> there is an agreement about how contributors are to contribute what, where
> and when.
> Such narrative is solely intended to dictate the direction of the project
> for your self serving purposes, resulting in alienating fellow contributors
> from collaborating in the OFBiz project to get improvements into its
> repositories.
>
> There has never been such an agreement on how, what, where and when to
> contribute in the OFBiz community. Nor on the specific subject of what the
> correct translation label that is to be used in OFBiz screens and forms.
> No discussion on that latter subject has ever been started on the dev
> mailing list, nor is there any series of postings on that list that could
> lead to someone being able to claim that a kind of consensus could be
> derived from such a thread.
>
> It appears, IMO, that you don't want what is for the good of the public
> through the deliverables of the OFBiz project.
> Your business needs and goals are not the concerns of the project, nor the
> concerns of the contributors not paid by you(r company).
> You keep your Ecomify rules re OFBiz to yourself and for your employees,
> instead of presenting them as rules (or agreements) of the project. In this
> project there are no such 'contribution' rules.
> There are only guidelines, and precedents established over time within the
> project. And these indicate that anything goes.
>
> If you want to change what the way is how contributions are done to the
> project, you start a discussion on the dev mailing list of the project and
> work that discussion towards a consensus. Alternatively you follow the lead
> of what many of your fellow privileged contributors do in this project
> nowadays.
>
> Again: s*top trolling me*. You bring nothing new to the tickets I am
> working. Keep your complaints to yourself, or use them to create a positive
> change to the project that will make OFBiz more appealing, more
> trustworthy, attracting a greater diversity of contributors instead of a
> negative change.
>
> If you want to improve OFBiz, go work the tickets that have your name as
> the assignee to a successful conclusion (or take those of the contributors
> paid by your company, or - if that is all done - take those that are
> unassigned as there are plenty of possibilities there), instead of
> harassing fellow contributors and me collaborating to improve OFBiz.
>
> Pierre Smits
> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz  since
> 2008 (without privileges)
> Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
>
> *Apache Directory , PMC Member*
>

Re: [GitHub] [ofbiz-framework] mbrohl commented on pull request #496: Improved: List and Grid (OFBIZ-11345)

[Pierre Smits]

You don't get the point, Michael.

You DON'T get to dictate what is being contributed to the project for the
public good.

Should not be so hard to understand for a member of a project's PMC and the
ASF.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Pierre Smits
*Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz  since
2008 (without privileges)
Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
*Apache Directory , PMC Member*

Anyone could have been you, whereas I've always been anyone.


On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 5:05 PM Michael Brohl 
wrote:

> You don't get the point, Pierre.
>
> You are actively REMOVING elements others have contributed and put
> effort in.
>
> Shouldn't be too hard to understand.
>
> Michael
>
>
> Am 07.02.22 um 16:52 schrieb Pierre Smits:
> > *Re: Other contributors have taken their time to structure the code into
> > readable blocks and comment them.*
> > Other contributors have taken their time to provide clean code without
> [...]
> >
>

Re: [GitHub] [ofbiz-framework] mbrohl commented on pull request #496: Improved: List and Grid (OFBIZ-11345)

[Michael Brohl]

You don't get the point, Pierre.

You are actively REMOVING elements others have contributed and put 
effort in.


Shouldn't be too hard to understand.

Michael


Am 07.02.22 um 16:52 schrieb Pierre Smits:

*Re: Other contributors have taken their time to structure the code into
readable blocks and comment them.*
Other contributors have taken their time to provide clean code without

[...]

Re: [GitHub] [ofbiz-framework] mbrohl commented on pull request #496: Improved: List and Grid (OFBIZ-11345)

[Pierre Smits]

*Re: Other contributors have taken their time to structure the code into
readable blocks and comment them.*
Other contributors have taken their time to provide clean code without
caring for readable blocks or commenting those, and their contributions
also went into the codebase.
Other contributors have collaborated to get to cleaner (code) files, and
the result of these collaborations also went into the codebase.

*Re: If you want the functional changes go in, either stop removing those
elements or, if that's the problem, learn how to configure your XML Editor
to leave blank lines and comments as-is*
Again? Extortion of compliance to* "your"* rules? Trying that 'approach'
again?
You, again, try to dictate what can be contributed, when, how and by whom.
I will not comport with your dictatorship.

Stop being an embarrassment to the project and the ASF. These actions of
yours result in nothing more than a hostile environment that chases
(potential) contributors away and hurts collaboration between contributors.

Re:
https://github.com/apache/ofbiz-framework/pull/496#issuecomment-1031457572
The changes committed in this pull request are in line with guidelines and
best practices established over the course of the project under the wings
of the ASF, which were applied on merged pull request as recent as 7 days
ago.

 If you want the guidelines changed, you are welcome to start a discussion
in dev@.

 You can **NOT** unilaterally decide what will and will not be merged by
other volunteers. That is **dictatorship**!

Pierre Smits
*Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz  since
2008 (without privileges)
Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
*Apache Directory , PMC Member*

Anyone could have been you, whereas I've always been anyone.


On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 4:05 PM GitBox  wrote:

>
> mbrohl commented on pull request #496:
> URL:
> https://github.com/apache/ofbiz-framework/pull/496#issuecomment-1031566131
>
>
>Other contributors have taken their time to structure the code into
> readable blocks and comment them.
>You are removing this work and make the code look worse than before at
> those locations, therefore it cannot be accepted.
>
>If you want the functional changes go in, either stop removing those
> elements or, if that's the problem, learn how to configure your XML Editor
> to leave blank lines and comments as-is.
>
>
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