Re: New Default Theme?
From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com I'd like to complete OFBIZ-2309 by creating incorpotated issues from Ashish's, Bruno's, Adrian's and Hans's remarks (of course if someone wants to create them it would be great) And I'd like to fix these issues and commit them on the new branch Done at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2312 Jacques
Re: New Default Theme?
I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places. I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up and the customer response is night and day. - Scott Gray wrote: +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any issues can be fixed and it does look much better. -- Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com e...@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Hi Tim, I fixed this at r765721 but for FF3. Please see my comment in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2303 About smoothfeather as the default theme : if we want to do that correctly we need to treat each theme equally. For the moment the std theme is considered as superior to the other themes. It's not exactly what it should be : a default changeable easily from scratch by a parameter. So we need to extract the std theme and to make it a theme like the others, and the default OOTB (so far). I don't give all details but this means to have a new std layout theme under the /themes directory Jacques From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com From: Tim Ruppert tim.rupp...@hotwaxmedia.com The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away. I will see that when I wil get a chance Jacques
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Jacques Le Roux wrote: So we need to extract the std theme and to make it a theme like the others, and the default OOTB (so far). I don't give all details but this means to have a new std layout theme under the /themes directory I was thinking about that the other day. I'd like to see the current default theme moved to the themes folder. -Adrian
Re: New Default Theme?
+1 On Apr 16, 2009, at 4:57 PM, David E Jones wrote: What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right now On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the best default, on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent with the site and such and like Ean says would result in a far better response from prospects. The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press release for this release branch and relatively more people will be downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages are klunky that initial response may be more important than the results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too if desired). Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this thread) in order to improve the first response... Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than looking good for the first response, IMO: no. -David On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote: I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places. I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up and the customer response is night and day. - Scott Gray wrote: +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any issues can be fixed and it does look much better. -- Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com e...@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: New Default Theme?
I agree it would be great to have it for the release. I agree also that there are no real blockers so far (except it's bad on IE and we should state that and explain to use a *real modern* browser) I'd like to complete OFBIZ-2309 by creating incorpotated issues from Ashish's, Bruno's, Adrian's and Hans's remarks (of course if someone wants to create them it would be great) And I'd like to fix these issues and commit them on the new branch Also, as I already said, I'd like to be able to i18n it after the freeze since else it would be a real handicap for non English speaking people (users are really insisting on good localisation) : OFBIZ-2306 Could we agree with that ? If we don't we will really shoot ourself in the foot (I don't see the point to have a clumsy UI for 2 years) It's late and I'm exhausted, good night Jacques From: Mike Bates mike.ba...@hotwaxmedia.com +1 On Apr 16, 2009, at 4:57 PM, David E Jones wrote: What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right now On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the best default, on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent with the site and such and like Ean says would result in a far better response from prospects. The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press release for this release branch and relatively more people will be downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages are klunky that initial response may be more important than the results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too if desired). Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this thread) in order to improve the first response... Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than looking good for the first response, IMO: no. -David On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote: I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places. I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up and the customer response is night and day. - Scott Gray wrote: +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any issues can be fixed and it does look much better. -- Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com e...@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
Re: New Default Theme?
Ha! Also we should use OFBIZ-2309 and its incorporated issues to state clearly in the release paper that these are known bugs that will be quickly resolved in the following days I think this is a pretty good argument in the favor of what I ask for ;o) Jacques From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com I agree it would be great to have it for the release. I agree also that there are no real blockers so far (except it's bad on IE and we should state that and explain to use a *real modern* browser) I'd like to complete OFBIZ-2309 by creating incorpotated issues from Ashish's, Bruno's, Adrian's and Hans's remarks (of course if someone wants to create them it would be great) And I'd like to fix these issues and commit them on the new branch Also, as I already said, I'd like to be able to i18n it after the freeze since else it would be a real handicap for non English speaking people (users are really insisting on good localisation) : OFBIZ-2306 Could we agree with that ? If we don't we will really shoot ourself in the foot (I don't see the point to have a clumsy UI for 2 years) It's late and I'm exhausted, good night Jacques From: Mike Bates mike.ba...@hotwaxmedia.com +1 On Apr 16, 2009, at 4:57 PM, David E Jones wrote: What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right now On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the best default, on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent with the site and such and like Ean says would result in a far better response from prospects. The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press release for this release branch and relatively more people will be downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages are klunky that initial response may be more important than the results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too if desired). Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this thread) in order to improve the first response... Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than looking good for the first response, IMO: no. -David On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote: I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places. I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up and the customer response is night and day. - Scott Gray wrote: +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any issues can be fixed and it does look much better. -- Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com e...@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Actually the things that IMO are missing are * The ASF copyright and link to a apache.org site * Powered by OFBiz and link to ofbiz.apache.org * Release.revision informations Only the last is mandatory IMO, but I'm not sure about ASF copyright and a link to OFBiz site would be cool But maybe they are somewhere and I did not find them (do you hate footers ? ;o) ? With the update today all issues below are still there For favicon.png I think it should be favicon.ico by the way (did not look into detail but that how it works normally, this was introduced by M$ if I recall well, hence the .ico) Also sometimes on XP using FF3 (a pretty classic set I'd say) I get myself stuck, the UI is not responding anymore. I got this issue at least after trying to change themes. Jacques From: Ryan Foster ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue. Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have been grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate, having several errors. Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: So far, I found also that : * there is no footer anymore * an issue with favicon.png. * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it. It's like if the last view feature was not working. * the log in webtools is no longer colored * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view HTH Jacques From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com I agree with Hans, From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax... 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size screen used in the world (1024*768). And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc. Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read. Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others also...). Something like Main applications Secondary applications, maybe 2 colors also ? This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o) Yes thank you for that ! Jacques Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! Regards, Hans On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Inline Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 - Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: Actually the things that IMO are missing are * The ASF copyright and link to a apache.org site * Powered by OFBiz and link to ofbiz.apache.org * Release.revision informations Only the last is mandatory IMO, but I'm not sure about ASF copyright and a link to OFBiz site would be cool But maybe they are somewhere and I did not find them (do you hate footers ? ;o) ? My personal vote is to get a footer that has at least the bottom one because it's super important information and that's where people have become accustomed to looking for it. As for the ASF copyright and the OFBiz logo - those need to be there, but I'm not sure the footer is ever the best place for that. Designers, what do you think on the placement now that you know that people would like to see it back? With the update today all issues below are still there For favicon.png I think it should be favicon.ico by the way (did not look into detail but that how it works normally, this was introduced by M$ if I recall well, hence the .ico) The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away. Also sometimes on XP using FF3 (a pretty classic set I'd say) I get myself stuck, the UI is not responding anymore. I got this issue at least after trying to change themes. Hmm - try loading it up locally with this as the default theme and see if it's the theme itself or just the JS and CSS getting confused when it switches. Jacques From: Ryan Foster ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue. Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have been grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate, having several errors. Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: So far, I found also that : * there is no footer anymore * an issue with favicon.png. * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it. It's like if the last view feature was not working. * the log in webtools is no longer colored * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view HTH Jacques From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com I agree with Hans, From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax... 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size screen used in the world (1024*768). And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc. Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read. Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others also...). Something like Main applications Secondary applications, maybe 2 colors also ? This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o) Yes thank you for that ! Jacques Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! Regards, Hans On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression.
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
From: Tim Ruppert tim.rupp...@hotwaxmedia.com The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away. I will see that when I wil get a chance Jacques
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
From: Ryan Foster No, I don't hate footers ;). The originally thinking was to give the backend look and feel a more desktop like feeling, where most of the information and navigation is located in sidebars, file menus, tabs, etc. Following that line of thinking, maybe we put a help link in the header right next to preferences that drops down in a similar fashion to show copyright, link to apache, etc. This would function exactly the same way that the help link functions in apps like Firefox, Mac Mail, Outlook, Word, etc. We could even put a simple keyword search field in this section that searches docs.ofbiz.org. See the screenshot below for an example: Ryan Foster ___ Hi Ryan, Yes great idea, I like it :o) There are still issues related to font sizes, but clearly people not involved in previous UI developments (who have an exernal look) prefer far more the new one (more easy to read they say). Even in the order view case which was a problem for me (is still but I have to get used to I guess ;o). BTW, I opened a Jira issue for the small issues I found in Confluence so far https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2298 Thanks Jacques
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
So far, I found also that : * there is no footer anymore * an issue with favicon.png. * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it. It's like if the last view feature was not working. * the log in webtools is no longer colored * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view HTH Jacques From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com I agree with Hans, From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax... 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size screen used in the world (1024*768). And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc. Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read. Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others also...). Something like Main applications Secondary applications, maybe 2 colors also ? This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o) Yes thank you for that ! Jacques Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! Regards, Hans On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
I think we need to find a way to honor all of the significant contributors to OFBiz. The good initial discussions from ApacheCon need to be fleshed out further. We can continue to very positively impact the look and feel of the system and we would prefer not to keep those innovations to ourselves. We must be sure that people understand that the new look and feel is our work. An improved OFBiz look and feel is a big competitive advantage and we want to get some value out of bringing it to the community. Your project management work is very much the same thing as are the many, many contributions of HotWax. We need to find a way to reward these major enhancements and protect their value for the donors. None of this is new to Apache, which has many major organizations and vendors making donations to it. Their conservative position with regard to credit is probably born of experience and I am curious about their advice. At the same time, there is some irony that the Apache license is primarily concerned with giving credit to the Apache Project when the code is used. - Hans Bakker wrote: Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! -- Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com e...@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue. Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have been grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate, having several errors. Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: So far, I found also that : * there is no footer anymore * an issue with favicon.png. * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it. It's like if the last view feature was not working. * the log in webtools is no longer colored * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view HTH Jacques From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com I agree with Hans, From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax... 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size screen used in the world (1024*768). And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc. Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read. Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others also...). Something like Main applications Secondary applications, maybe 2 colors also ? This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o) Yes thank you for that ! Jacques Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! Regards, Hans On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Fost, we do need to get all of those references to HOTWAX out of this theme - but that was an oversight not a marketing ploy :) Looking forward to getting this all resolved, but I don't think any of these things should stop us from using this one - only encourage everyone to make it better! Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 - Ryan Foster ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue. Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have been grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate, having several errors. Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: So far, I found also that : * there is no footer anymore * an issue with favicon.png. * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it. It's like if the last view feature was not working. * the log in webtools is no longer colored * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view HTH Jacques From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com I agree with Hans, From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax... 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size screen used in the world (1024*768). And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc. Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read. Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others also...). Something like Main applications Secondary applications, maybe 2 colors also ? This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o) Yes thank you for that ! Jacques Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! Regards, Hans On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Great points all around Ean. While we love to contribute and while this look and feel has taken things forward in a major way - so do the contributions of everyone in the community. Looking forward to finding fun ways to incentivize more contribution and more acknowledgement for all of those involved. This community is stellar - looking forward to being a part of it as it continues to grow and becomes even better than it is today. Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 - Ean Schuessler e...@brainfood.com wrote: I think we need to find a way to honor all of the significant contributors to OFBiz. The good initial discussions from ApacheCon need to be fleshed out further. We can continue to very positively impact the look and feel of the system and we would prefer not to keep those innovations to ourselves. We must be sure that people understand that the new look and feel is our work. An improved OFBiz look and feel is a big competitive advantage and we want to get some value out of bringing it to the community. Your project management work is very much the same thing as are the many, many contributions of HotWax. We need to find a way to reward these major enhancements and protect their value for the donors. None of this is new to Apache, which has many major organizations and vendors making donations to it. Their conservative position with regard to credit is probably born of experience and I am curious about their advice. At the same time, there is some irony that the Apache license is primarily concerned with giving credit to the Apache Project when the code is used. - Hans Bakker wrote: Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! -- Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com e...@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
Re: New Default Theme?
+1 - I totally agree. Let's fix this puppy up right - taking in the recommendations of everyone. This first impression is a much better one IMHO - but there are things that need to get tweaked to make it work right. I'm all in favor of really looking into all of the organization around the apps and coming up with something that's: 1. Better looking 2. Easier to use 3. More intuitive 4. etc yeah - I want it all, what can I say? Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 - Sam Hamilton sam.hamil...@virtualvillage.com wrote: +1 for changing to something that gives a great first impression to people new to OFBiz so would tend to want to use smoothfeather as the default to carry the theme through from the website. Sam On 11/04/2009 06:21, David Jones david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David
Re: New Default Theme?
+1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any issues can be fixed and it does look much better. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 15/04/2009, at 2:52 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: +1 - I totally agree. Let's fix this puppy up right - taking in the recommendations of everyone. This first impression is a much better one IMHO - but there are things that need to get tweaked to make it work right. I'm all in favor of really looking into all of the organization around the apps and coming up with something that's: 1. Better looking 2. Easier to use 3. More intuitive 4. etc yeah - I want it all, what can I say? Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 - Sam Hamilton sam.hamil...@virtualvillage.com wrote: +1 for changing to something that gives a great first impression to people new to OFBiz so would tend to want to use smoothfeather as the default to carry the theme through from the website. Sam On 11/04/2009 06:21, David Jones david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
The references have been removed and the patch was sent to David. Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: Fost, we do need to get all of those references to HOTWAX out of this theme - but that was an oversight not a marketing ploy :) Looking forward to getting this all resolved, but I don't think any of these things should stop us from using this one - only encourage everyone to make it better! Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 - Ryan Foster ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue. Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have been grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate, having several errors. Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: So far, I found also that : * there is no footer anymore * an issue with favicon.png. * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it. It's like if the last view feature was not working. * the log in webtools is no longer colored * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view HTH Jacques From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com I agree with Hans, From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax... 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size screen used in the world (1024*768). And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc. Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read. Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others also...). Something like Main applications Secondary applications, maybe 2 colors also ? This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o) Yes thank you for that ! Jacques Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! Regards, Hans On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Awesome - thanks for the follow up. I think it got patched up earlier, so it's probably just waiting on the commit (if it's not in there already). Good stuff. Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 - Ryan Foster ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: The references have been removed and the patch was sent to David. Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: Fost, we do need to get all of those references to HOTWAX out of this theme - but that was an oversight not a marketing ploy :) Looking forward to getting this all resolved, but I don't think any of these things should stop us from using this one - only encourage everyone to make it better! Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 - Ryan Foster ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue. Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have been grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate, having several errors. Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: So far, I found also that : * there is no footer anymore * an issue with favicon.png. * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it. It's like if the last view feature was not working. * the log in webtools is no longer colored * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view HTH Jacques From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com I agree with Hans, From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax... 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size screen used in the world (1024*768). And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc. Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read. Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others also...). Something like Main applications Secondary applications, maybe 2 colors also ? This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o) Yes thank you for that ! Jacques Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! Regards, Hans On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
I agree with Hans, From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax... 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size screen used in the world (1024*768). And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc. Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read. Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others also...). Something like Main applications Secondary applications, maybe 2 colors also ? This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o) Yes thank you for that ! Jacques Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! Regards, Hans On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: New Default Theme?
I like the idea of having the default theme match the public website. Not only is the current default theme lightweight, its reading direction is reversible. Will the new themes work in RTL layout? -Adrian --- On Fri, 4/10/09, David E Jones david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: From: David E Jones david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com Subject: New Default Theme? To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 3:21 PM Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David
Re: New Default Theme?
Looking at this more... The current default and bluelight themes are scalable - you can change the font size from your browser. The smoothfeather theme is fixed pitch - you can't change the font size. Also, smoothfeather doesn't fit on my screen. That theme won't be usable where I work because many of our users have their screen resolutions set to 800x600. When designing themes, keep in mind that back office workers might have poor eyesight, or may be blind. The developer community put a lot of work into making the current theme accessible. If the default theme is changed, maybe we can market the current theme as the accessible one. -Adrian --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: New Default Theme? To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:13 AM I like the idea of having the default theme match the public website. Not only is the current default theme lightweight, its reading direction is reversible. Will the new themes work in RTL layout? -Adrian --- On Fri, 4/10/09, David E Jones david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: From: David E Jones david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com Subject: New Default Theme? To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 3:21 PM Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David
Re: New Default Theme?
From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com Looking at this more... The current default and bluelight themes are scalable - you can change the font size from your browser. The smoothfeather theme is fixed pitch - you can't change the font size. Also, smoothfeather doesn't fit on my screen. That theme won't be usable where I work because many of our users have their screen resolutions set to 800x600. When designing themes, keep in mind that back office workers might have poor eyesight, or may be blind. The developer community put a lot of work into making the current theme accessible. If the default theme is changed, maybe we can market the current theme as the accessible one. Also we may associate recommendations (resolutions, browsers, etc.) with each theme and show these recommendations in the themes gallery Jacques -Adrian --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: New Default Theme? To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:13 AM I like the idea of having the default theme match the public website. Not only is the current default theme lightweight, its reading direction is reversible. Will the new themes work in RTL layout? -Adrian --- On Fri, 4/10/09, David E Jones david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: From: David E Jones david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com Subject: New Default Theme? To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 3:21 PM Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David
Re: New Default Theme?
Also we may associate recommendations (resolutions, browsers, etc.) with each theme and show these recommendations in the themes gallery Jacques +1 -- Ashish Vijaywargiya Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com Looking at this more... The current default and bluelight themes are scalable - you can change the font size from your browser. The smoothfeather theme is fixed pitch - you can't change the font size. Also, smoothfeather doesn't fit on my screen. That theme won't be usable where I work because many of our users have their screen resolutions set to 800x600. When designing themes, keep in mind that back office workers might have poor eyesight, or may be blind. The developer community put a lot of work into making the current theme accessible. If the default theme is changed, maybe we can market the current theme as the accessible one. Also we may associate recommendations (resolutions, browsers, etc.) with each theme and show these recommendations in the themes gallery Jacques smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: New Default Theme?
+1 for changing to something that gives a great first impression to people new to OFBiz so would tend to want to use smoothfeather as the default to carry the theme through from the website. Sam On 11/04/2009 06:21, David Jones david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David
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+1 for setting smoothfeather as default backoffice theme. There is still something to be fixed while showing pages that use a different GlobalDescriptor like lookups. -Bruno 2009/4/11 Ashish Vijaywargiya ashish.vijaywarg...@hotwaxmedia.com Hello David, The overall work done on theme is excellent. So I will give +1 for it. Here are few comments / thoughts on Smooth Feature : 1) I noticed that in the Search form or Create form we have kept Horizontal Bar (hr) after each field. In my opinion this reduces the readability of form. 2) The ViewProfile page is one of the page that contains heavy data. For example : https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/viewprofile?partyId=DemoCustomer -- In the above link the other links like Billing Account, Financial Accounts, Communications are placed vertically and that should be placed horizontal separated by piping symbol (or some better option) so that we could save the page area vertically. -- Its difficult to understand starting of new section heading and its associated block like we have sections by heading Personal Information, Contact Information, List Related Accounts. For example its difficult the read the details present in Payment Method Information that is next block of Loyality Points. 3) There are so many tabbutton present for Party and the first one (i.e Profile) is overlapping with the main navigation section present in the left. (For ex: Edit any party record) 4) On the search result form sometime it shows the link for ID fields on mouse hover but sometime don't show. (This behavior is observed on firefox 3) 5) Next, Previous, First and Last etc are aligned vertically. https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/FindSecurityGroup Special thanks to Ryan Foster for this wonderful work. -- Ashish David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David
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Hi David, from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic. after 5 minutes of testing: 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function) 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other areas as svn log and ? 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at : https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you! Regards, Hans On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
New Default Theme?
Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David
Re: New Default Theme?
Hello David, The overall work done on theme is excellent. So I will give +1 for it. Here are few comments / thoughts on Smooth Feature : 1) I noticed that in the Search form or Create form we have kept Horizontal Bar (hr) after each field. In my opinion this reduces the readability of form. 2) The ViewProfile page is one of the page that contains heavy data. For example : https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/viewprofile?partyId=DemoCustomer -- In the above link the other links like Billing Account, Financial Accounts, Communications are placed vertically and that should be placed horizontal separated by piping symbol (or some better option) so that we could save the page area vertically. -- Its difficult to understand starting of new section heading and its associated block like we have sections by heading Personal Information, Contact Information, List Related Accounts. For example its difficult the read the details present in Payment Method Information that is next block of Loyality Points. 3) There are so many tabbutton present for Party and the first one (i.e Profile) is overlapping with the main navigation section present in the left. (For ex: Edit any party record) 4) On the search result form sometime it shows the link for ID fields on mouse hover but sometime don't show. (This behavior is observed on firefox 3) 5) Next, Previous, First and Last etc are aligned vertically. https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/FindSecurityGroup Special thanks to Ryan Foster for this wonderful work. -- Ashish David E Jones wrote: Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best first impression. Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme). One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet). Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes). BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the release branch next Tuesday. -David smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
