Re: FOSDEM smalltalk.
Hi, On 19.01.2014 12:05, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 17/01/2014 jan i wrote: should we arrange some face to face discussions, potentially not in the dev room The good thing about face-to-face discussion at FOSDEM is that they needn't be arranged! FOSDEM takes over whole blocks of a University campus, and offers a decent, open, WiFi connection. This makes it possible to have a quick informal talk more or less anywhere around the campus. On Saturday, the devroom will run for the full day with no breaks. I will be around before the program starts and after the devroom closes, but there are other opportunities, like a dinner on Saturday evening or the whole day on Sunday. On both Saturday and Sunday we have our stand available all day. The stand is not very large, but last year we used it for gathering too. So: if we want to plan something in advance, we can. But we can also meet on Saturday and make plans there, or just let things happen. Opportunities for talks will surely be available. The important thing is that we don't forget to talk about some important topics (your examples, i.e., build system, digital signatures, VM maintenance are all good topics we can brainstorm about). I agree to Andrea - no formal organization will be needed. It would be hard during the devroom talks. I am in favor to have dinner together on Saturday as I know that Andrea knows the best restaurants in town. Best regards, Oliver. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OOO BZ Down for SQL migration
This has now completed, and has been moved. I can see an immediate appreciable difference. Enjoy. On 20 Jan 2014, at 07:12, Tony Stevenson pct...@apache.org wrote: I am about to start the SQL migration of the OOO BZ instance, so that the daily cbackup cron job can be killed on the local VM, thus hopefully not taking the service out of action. I hope this will be done within the hour. Cheers, Tony -- Tony Stevenson t...@pc-tony.com pct...@apache.org http://www.pc-tony.com GPG - 1024D/51047D66 -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Open Office Educational use
Hi, I am trying to find what licence I would need to use Open office in our Primary School (as a replacement for office 2003). I have looked on you web site but cannot but cannot find if we need to purchase a licence, or use the free download. Please can you help. Regards John Baxter
Re: Open Office Educational use
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:45 AM, John Baxter j.bax...@overdale-jun.leicester.sch.uk wrote: Hi, I am trying to find what licence I would need to use Open office in our Primary School (as a replacement for office 2003). I have looked on you web site but cannot but cannot find if we need to purchase a licence, or use the free download. Hello John, The license is linked to from the download page. It is the Apache License 2.0: http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html This is an open source license, permitting free use and redistribution. It also allows modification and distribution of derived products, with some additional requirements described in the license. Regards, -Rob Please can you help. Regards John Baxter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Problem with Java on the 64bit Mac OSX?
Hi all I just started to test the 64 bit version of Mac OS X AOO. The Letter Wizard don't work at all. can someone confirm that? Greetings Raphael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
Re-posting to dev-list from documentation. Hi All, Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge effort taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the different Wikishttp://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ and a separate effort to certify users via the certification projecthttp://www.openoffice.org/certification/ (which is really great!). At LayUp http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa, we're working on building something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and certification platform targeted entirely at software products) and we would like to help take the online certification aspect to the next level and setup a live demo. I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like for Open Office URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2* The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows - *Username* - user *Password *- demo *Username *- admin *Password *- demo We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of just spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and guide us on how we can take this forward. The effort is much appreciated! Thanks, Sheran
Re: [DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
On 20 January 2014 14:06, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Re-posting to dev-list from documentation. Hi All, Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge effort taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the different Wikishttp://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ and a separate effort to certify users via the certification projecthttp://www.openoffice.org/certification/ (which is really great!). At LayUp http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa, we're working on building something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and certification platform targeted entirely at software products) and we would like to help take the online certification aspect to the next level and setup a live demo. I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like for Open Office URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2* The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows - *Username* - user *Password *- demo *Username *- admin *Password *- demo We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of just spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and guide us on how we can take this forward. its look quite good and the idea is very good. I was however not able to run the demo, at step 2 I was asked to click on a highlighted area but there was nothing I could click on. You should also work on the speed, I see your hourglass (nice icon btw) too often and for far too long. rgds jan I. The effort is much appreciated! Thanks, Sheran
Re: [DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
Hi Jan, Thank you for your comments, it is much appreciated! This is just a demo hosted on a basic shared instance,which is why the speed is a bit crappy, the standard version runs on AWS elastic beanstalk cached up front, and is gzipped / optimized so is a lot faster. I was unable to replicate the issue of logging in (did you view it in a mobile device? please try it with your pc as we are working on some responsive features atm.), to make it easier, below is the direct address in a web browser - http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2 Would it be possible for me to setup a live demo / discuss how this can be taken forward? If so what are the steps we should take? (Sorry I'm new to the OA community, so not too sure what the process is) If it is a viable option, we would be happy to contribute some effort and resourcing to making this a possibility. Thanks, Sheran On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:43 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 20 January 2014 14:06, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Re-posting to dev-list from documentation. Hi All, Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge effort taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the different Wikishttp://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ and a separate effort to certify users via the certification projecthttp://www.openoffice.org/certification/ (which is really great!). At LayUp http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa, we're working on building something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and certification platform targeted entirely at software products) and we would like to help take the online certification aspect to the next level and setup a live demo. I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like for Open Office URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2* The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows - *Username* - user *Password *- demo *Username *- admin *Password *- demo We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of just spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and guide us on how we can take this forward. its look quite good and the idea is very good. I was however not able to run the demo, at step 2 I was asked to click on a highlighted area but there was nothing I could click on. You should also work on the speed, I see your hourglass (nice icon btw) too often and for far too long. rgds jan I. The effort is much appreciated! Thanks, Sheran
Re: [DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Re-posting to dev-list from documentation. Hi All, Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge effort taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the different Wikishttp://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ and a separate effort to certify users via the certification projecthttp://www.openoffice.org/certification/ (which is really great!). At LayUp http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa, we're working on building something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and certification platform targeted entirely at software products) and we would like to help take the online certification aspect to the next level and setup a live demo. I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like for Open Office URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2* The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows - *Username* - user *Password *- demo *Username *- admin *Password *- demo We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of just spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and guide us on how we can take this forward. I took a quick look. I like the platform, nice and clear, easy to use. I think new users would like this. From a learning perspective it might be worth having an install module. This would be platform-specific (Windows install differs from Mac which differs from Linux). But we do receive a good deal of support questions related to install, so this might be an area worth covering. I don't know if your platform allows it, but it would be great if there was a way to take an initial test and based on test results be placed into a higher rank automatically, rather than having everyone start at the same initial level. That way it could be interesting for skill building of users who know a little, as well as absolute beginners. You'll need to give some attention to the trademark issues involved here as well. You currently have it called Apache OpenOffice Academy by Layup. That name, plus the use of the Apache OpenOffice logo, suggests a certain relationship between the website and the OpenOffice project which could confuse users. You can read more about our trademark policy here: http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html Note: the speed for me was perfect. No issues. I'm near Boston. Jan is in Spain. I wonder whether that could be part of the issue? Regards, -Rob The effort is much appreciated! Thanks, Sheran - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
Thanks Rob, As per the system, you can configure what courses you want to keep open / closed / work according to the point system, so you can run say 3 courses, for beginners, intermediate, advanced so each user can select which level to participate in. If it is felt that the users need validation (an assessment to gauge their skill level) prior to selecting which course they should take, that can integrated with ease as well from the back-end. A colleague, Isuru is on copy, he will change the logo asap in order to not violate any trademark policies. Regards, Sheran On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Re-posting to dev-list from documentation. Hi All, Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge effort taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the different Wikishttp://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ and a separate effort to certify users via the certification projecthttp://www.openoffice.org/certification/ (which is really great!). At LayUp http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa, we're working on building something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and certification platform targeted entirely at software products) and we would like to help take the online certification aspect to the next level and setup a live demo. I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like for Open Office URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2* The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows - *Username* - user *Password *- demo *Username *- admin *Password *- demo We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of just spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and guide us on how we can take this forward. I took a quick look. I like the platform, nice and clear, easy to use. I think new users would like this. From a learning perspective it might be worth having an install module. This would be platform-specific (Windows install differs from Mac which differs from Linux). But we do receive a good deal of support questions related to install, so this might be an area worth covering. I don't know if your platform allows it, but it would be great if there was a way to take an initial test and based on test results be placed into a higher rank automatically, rather than having everyone start at the same initial level. That way it could be interesting for skill building of users who know a little, as well as absolute beginners. You'll need to give some attention to the trademark issues involved here as well. You currently have it called Apache OpenOffice Academy by Layup. That name, plus the use of the Apache OpenOffice logo, suggests a certain relationship between the website and the OpenOffice project which could confuse users. You can read more about our trademark policy here: http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html Note: the speed for me was perfect. No issues. I'm near Boston. Jan is in Spain. I wonder whether that could be part of the issue? Regards, -Rob The effort is much appreciated! Thanks, Sheran
Re: [DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
Sheran / Rob, I have changed the logo and text as requested. Please do a cache refresh (CTRL + F5) and retry. Cheers! Isuru On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks Rob, As per the system, you can configure what courses you want to keep open / closed / work according to the point system, so you can run say 3 courses, for beginners, intermediate, advanced so each user can select which level to participate in. If it is felt that the users need validation (an assessment to gauge their skill level) prior to selecting which course they should take, that can integrated with ease as well from the back-end. A colleague, Isuru is on copy, he will change the logo asap in order to not violate any trademark policies. Regards, Sheran On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Re-posting to dev-list from documentation. Hi All, Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge effort taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the different Wikishttp://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ and a separate effort to certify users via the certification projecthttp://www.openoffice.org/certification/ (which is really great!). At LayUp http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa, we're working on building something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and certification platform targeted entirely at software products) and we would like to help take the online certification aspect to the next level and setup a live demo. I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like for Open Office URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2* The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows - *Username* - user *Password *- demo *Username *- admin *Password *- demo We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of just spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and guide us on how we can take this forward. I took a quick look. I like the platform, nice and clear, easy to use. I think new users would like this. From a learning perspective it might be worth having an install module. This would be platform-specific (Windows install differs from Mac which differs from Linux). But we do receive a good deal of support questions related to install, so this might be an area worth covering. I don't know if your platform allows it, but it would be great if there was a way to take an initial test and based on test results be placed into a higher rank automatically, rather than having everyone start at the same initial level. That way it could be interesting for skill building of users who know a little, as well as absolute beginners. You'll need to give some attention to the trademark issues involved here as well. You currently have it called Apache OpenOffice Academy by Layup. That name, plus the use of the Apache OpenOffice logo, suggests a certain relationship between the website and the OpenOffice project which could confuse users. You can read more about our trademark policy here: http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html Note: the speed for me was perfect. No issues. I'm near Boston. Jan is in Spain. I wonder whether that could be part of the issue? Regards, -Rob The effort is much appreciated! Thanks, Sheran
Are there any legal repercussions for banning users from mailing lists?
We (Apache OpenOffice) recently had a user subscribe our users mailing list (500+ subscribers), and cause general disruption: 1) Many posts (20+) in a short period of time 2) Posts were off topic 3) She attacked list moderators and other members of the list 4) She threatened that she would report anyone who flamed her to their ISP or the Department of Justice for hate crimes. I was cc'ed on one email where she did exactly that to another subscriber of the mailing list. Said person never asked a single question regarding the use of OpenOffice, which is the purpose of the users mailing list. We had several complaints from other users, and several unsubscribed because they could not deal with the disruption. As list moderator I banned her. Then she started flooding our private mailing list, claiming that we were violating her civil rights, violating the Americans with Disabilities Act, etc., because we banned her. Reading between the lines it sounds like she is claiming the mailing list is a place of public accommodation and her disability (which seems to be form of ADHD) prevents her from controlling her conduct on the mailing list. We then banned her from mailing to the private list as well. But now she has started using a new email address, sending more complaints and threatening to report us to the Justice Department in two weeks if we don't allow her back on the users list. PMC members are split on whether to ignore her, engage her, ban her, etc. Note: she has not requested any specific accommodation. In my most-recent note to her I wrote: If you do have a technical question about Apache OpenOffice, I want to make sure you are aware that there are several other avenues for support described here: http://www.openoffice.org/support/ If you get stuck on any of those support options, feel free to send me a note directly and I, acting as your personal support concierge, will point you in the right direction and try to accommodate any special needs. So no one can accuse us of not making a good faith to accommodate her. But this has not helped. Any thoughts on this? Is there any risk to the ASF or our volunteers in moderating mailing lists or banning disruptive users? Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Are there any legal repercussions for banning users from mailing lists?
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:27:09 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We (Apache OpenOffice) recently had a user subscribe our users mailing list (500+ subscribers), and cause general disruption: 1) Many posts (20+) in a short period of time 2) Posts were off topic 3) She attacked list moderators and other members of the list 4) She threatened that she would report anyone who flamed her to their ISP or the Department of Justice for hate crimes. I was cc'ed on one email where she did exactly that to another subscriber of the mailing list. Said person never asked a single question regarding the use of OpenOffice, which is the purpose of the users mailing list. We had several complaints from other users, and several unsubscribed because they could not deal with the disruption. As list moderator I banned her. Then she started flooding our private mailing list, claiming that we were violating her civil rights, violating the Americans with Disabilities Act, etc., because we banned her. Reading between the lines it sounds like she is claiming the mailing list is a place of public accommodation and her disability (which seems to be form of ADHD) prevents her from controlling her conduct on the mailing list. We then banned her from mailing to the private list as well. But now she has started using a new email address, sending more complaints and threatening to report us to the Justice Department in two weeks if we don't allow her back on the users list. PMC members are split on whether to ignore her, engage her, ban her, etc. Note: she has not requested any specific accommodation. In my most-recent note to her I wrote: If you do have a technical question about Apache OpenOffice, I want to make sure you are aware that there are several other avenues for support described here: http://www.openoffice.org/support/ If you get stuck on any of those support options, feel free to send me a note directly and I, acting as your personal support concierge, will point you in the right direction and try to accommodate any special needs. So no one can accuse us of not making a good faith to accommodate her. But this has not helped. Any thoughts on this? Is there any risk to the ASF or our volunteers in moderating mailing lists or banning disruptive users? I was always told that the right of free speech was hedged with responsibilities. For example one cannot (unwarrantedly) shout Fire in a crowded theatre. But this is a European interpretation. US interpretation may differ. Re the person responsible - if she has been warned about off-topic and has repeatedly posted off-topic, then ban her strictly for that - breach of Forum rules, nothing to involve her civil rights. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Are there any legal repercussions for banning users from mailing lists?
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:27:09 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We (Apache OpenOffice) recently had a user subscribe our users mailing list (500+ subscribers), and cause general disruption: 1) Many posts (20+) in a short period of time 2) Posts were off topic 3) She attacked list moderators and other members of the list 4) She threatened that she would report anyone who flamed her to their ISP or the Department of Justice for hate crimes. I was cc'ed on one email where she did exactly that to another subscriber of the mailing list. Said person never asked a single question regarding the use of OpenOffice, which is the purpose of the users mailing list. We had several complaints from other users, and several unsubscribed because they could not deal with the disruption. As list moderator I banned her. Then she started flooding our private mailing list, claiming that we were violating her civil rights, violating the Americans with Disabilities Act, etc., because we banned her. Reading between the lines it sounds like she is claiming the mailing list is a place of public accommodation and her disability (which seems to be form of ADHD) prevents her from controlling her conduct on the mailing list. We then banned her from mailing to the private list as well. But now she has started using a new email address, sending more complaints and threatening to report us to the Justice Department in two weeks if we don't allow her back on the users list. PMC members are split on whether to ignore her, engage her, ban her, etc. Note: she has not requested any specific accommodation. In my most-recent note to her I wrote: If you do have a technical question about Apache OpenOffice, I want to make sure you are aware that there are several other avenues for support described here: http://www.openoffice.org/support/ If you get stuck on any of those support options, feel free to send me a note directly and I, acting as your personal support concierge, will point you in the right direction and try to accommodate any special needs. So no one can accuse us of not making a good faith to accommodate her. But this has not helped. Any thoughts on this? Is there any risk to the ASF or our volunteers in moderating mailing lists or banning disruptive users? I was always told that the right of free speech was hedged with responsibilities. For example one cannot (unwarrantedly) shout Fire in a crowded theatre. But this is a European interpretation. US interpretation may differ. Re the person responsible - if she has been warned about off-topic and has repeatedly posted off-topic, then ban her strictly for that - breach of Forum rules, nothing to involve her civil rights. IANAL, but my understanding has been that constitutional rights are limitations on government, and pretty much government only. Individuals and private organizations can make whatever rules they see fit for conduct in their facilities, within the bounds of criminal law. ASF as an institution, and its projects in particular, are very opt-in. There's no requirement to accommodate anyone because there's no requirement for anyone to partake. But again, IANAL. Don
Re: Are there any legal repercussions for banning users from mailing lists?
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:27:09 -0500 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We (Apache OpenOffice) recently had a user subscribe our users mailing list (500+ subscribers), and cause general disruption: 1) Many posts (20+) in a short period of time 2) Posts were off topic 3) She attacked list moderators and other members of the list 4) She threatened that she would report anyone who flamed her to their ISP or the Department of Justice for hate crimes. I was cc'ed on one email where she did exactly that to another subscriber of the mailing list. Said person never asked a single question regarding the use of OpenOffice, which is the purpose of the users mailing list. We had several complaints from other users, and several unsubscribed because they could not deal with the disruption. As list moderator I banned her. Then she started flooding our private mailing list, claiming that we were violating her civil rights, violating the Americans with Disabilities Act, etc., because we banned her. Reading between the lines it sounds like she is claiming the mailing list is a place of public accommodation and her disability (which seems to be form of ADHD) prevents her from controlling her conduct on the mailing list. We then banned her from mailing to the private list as well. But now she has started using a new email address, sending more complaints and threatening to report us to the Justice Department in two weeks if we don't allow her back on the users list. PMC members are split on whether to ignore her, engage her, ban her, etc. Note: she has not requested any specific accommodation. In my most-recent note to her I wrote: If you do have a technical question about Apache OpenOffice, I want to make sure you are aware that there are several other avenues for support described here: http://www.openoffice.org/support/ If you get stuck on any of those support options, feel free to send me a note directly and I, acting as your personal support concierge, will point you in the right direction and try to accommodate any special needs. So no one can accuse us of not making a good faith to accommodate her. But this has not helped. Any thoughts on this? Is there any risk to the ASF or our volunteers in moderating mailing lists or banning disruptive users? I was always told that the right of free speech was hedged with responsibilities. For example one cannot (unwarrantedly) shout Fire in a crowded theatre. But this is a European interpretation. US interpretation may differ. Re the person responsible - if she has been warned about off-topic and has repeatedly posted off-topic, then ban her strictly for that - breach of Forum rules, nothing to involve her civil rights. IANAL, but my understanding has been that constitutional rights are limitations on government, and pretty much government only. Individuals and private organizations can make whatever rules they see fit for conduct in their facilities, within the bounds of criminal law. ASF as an institution, and its projects in particular, are very opt-in. There's no requirement to accommodate anyone because there's no requirement for anyone to partake. In the U.S. there is something known as a public accommodation, typically a restaurant, hotel, movie theater, store, etc. Although they are not government they cannot discriminate against certain protected clases, e.g., by sex, race, ethnicity, etc. Persons with disabilities are also covered. So the question is: Is the users mailing list a public accommodation? And if so, do we need to permit a disruptive user to harm the use of that list by everyone because she claims that she is unable to control her behavior because of a disability? I think we would agree that we should make the project (and the OpenOffice product itself) as accommodating as possible to everyone. We're adding the IAccessible2 support for AOO 4.1., for example. But the issue is when such accommodations interfere with the user of others on the mailing list. How are these conflicts resolved? Hypothetical example: What if someone on the mailing list is dyslexic (also disability) and the volume of off-topic posts is a burden on their use of the mailing list? How do we balance that need with the other person whose disability does not allow her to stop posting many off-topic posts? But again, IANAL. Me neither. That's why I cc'ed the legal-discuss list as well, to see if they have any thoughts. I want us to do the right thing, obviously, even if that goes above and beyond what the law requires. But right now I feel like we're being abused. Regards, -Rob Don - To unsubscribe, e-mail:
Re: Call for Comments: Apache OpenOffice Distributor Best Practices
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Details are here: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_comments_apache_openoffice It has been over a month since we put out this call for comments. You can see some of them in this thread, as well as with the blog post: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_comments_apache_openoffice#comments The response was generally positive. However, the volume of responses was rather low. So I do wonder whether there is a large unmet need for this. For example, we have not (to my knowledge) received requests for a CD on the mailing list in months now. Another data point: the webpage that is #1 in Google search results for the query openoffice cd is: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/ It receives around 7 visits per day. Any proposal we came up with would be findable to user mainly through that same mechanism -- searching Google. Is it worth setting something up for 7 users per day? Note: if we removed our web pages that discuss OpenOffice CD's, the top link would be a vendor on Amazon.com selling an OpenOffice CD. So in a sense, if we just get out of the way, it would tend to work. The risk would be if we see vendors starting to scam users. Next steps? If anyone really wants to have a CD distributor listing, I can help. But it is not sufficiently high on my priority list to carry this by myself. Someone else would need to take the lead. Regards, -Rob Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
I was alarmed last week to find on your download page, a rather large advertisement consisting of a big green button labeled download now which led you too the installer of some malware from another site. I came across this after my wife asked for help saying she installed openoffice from your site but it wasn't to be found on her computer. She had already fallen for the bait. I almost did too as it was very hard to distinguish from actual site content the way it was displayed with out close examination. It amazed me that an organizations like yours would allow such unscrupulous advertisers to misuse your name like that. Your own site warns of scams by repackagers and unaffiliated download sites but your dealings with shady advertising networks on your own site puts the users of open office in just as much danger. -Matt S - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Matt mrsyt...@gmail.com wrote: I was alarmed last week to find on your download page, a rather large advertisement consisting of a big green button labeled download now which led you too the installer of some malware from another site. I came across this after my wife asked for help saying she installed openoffice from your site but it wasn't to be found on her computer. She had already fallen for the bait. I almost did too as it was very hard to distinguish from actual site content the way it was displayed with out close examination. It amazed me that an organizations like yours would allow such unscrupulous advertisers to misuse your name like that. Your own site warns of scams by repackagers and unaffiliated download sites but your dealings with shady advertising networks on your own site puts the users of open office in just as much danger. Hi Matt, I'm sorry your wife ran into problems when trying to download OpenOffice. The shady advertising network you ran into was Google's, and the website was SourceForge's. Both are reputable companies, I can assure you. But occasionally bad ads do make it in. We have a way to request their removal on a case-by-case basis. You can read more here: https://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-blockthis-initiative-update/ If you have a screenshot and a URL I'd be happy to send that in for you. But I tried right now on the website and I'm not seeing any ads which match your description. Is it possible that your wife downloaded from a different website? We've seen cases where 3rd parties have paid for advertisements in search results, and their ads appear before our website does. Regards, -Rob -Matt S - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
Rob / Jani and all, What we would like to do, is to take this forward in partnership with Open Office in an official manner and run some courses on a rev-share or similar so that we can put effort into doing this as well and sell training to users together with Open Office. Since this would then be partly a commercial effort, does this require us to send a formal proposal to the pmc or go into a vote or is there a seperate process for this? Please let me know. Thanks, Sheran On Jan 20, 2014 7:43 PM, Isuru Hewavitharana isuru.hewavithar...@gmail.com wrote: Sheran / Rob, I have changed the logo and text as requested. Please do a cache refresh (CTRL + F5) and retry. Cheers! Isuru On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Rob, As per the system, you can configure what courses you want to keep open / closed / work according to the point system, so you can run say 3 courses, for beginners, intermediate, advanced so each user can select which level to participate in. If it is felt that the users need validation (an assessment to gauge their skill level) prior to selecting which course they should take, that can integrated with ease as well from the back-end. A colleague, Isuru is on copy, he will change the logo asap in order to not violate any trademark policies. Regards, Sheran On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Re-posting to dev-list from documentation. Hi All, Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge effort taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the different Wikishttp://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ and a separate effort to certify users via the certification projecthttp://www.openoffice.org/certification/ (which is really great!). At LayUp http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa, we're working on building something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and certification platform targeted entirely at software products) and we would like to help take the online certification aspect to the next level and setup a live demo. I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like for Open Office URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2* The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows - *Username* - user *Password *- demo *Username *- admin *Password *- demo We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of just spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and guide us on how we can take this forward. I took a quick look. I like the platform, nice and clear, easy to use. I think new users would like this. From a learning perspective it might be worth having an install module. This would be platform-specific (Windows install differs from Mac which differs from Linux). But we do receive a good deal of support questions related to install, so this might be an area worth covering. I don't know if your platform allows it, but it would be great if there was a way to take an initial test and based on test results be placed into a higher rank automatically, rather than having everyone start at the same initial level. That way it could be interesting for skill building of users who know a little, as well as absolute beginners. You'll need to give some attention to the trademark issues involved here as well. You currently have it called Apache OpenOffice Academy by Layup. That name, plus the use of the Apache OpenOffice logo, suggests a certain relationship between the website and the OpenOffice project which could confuse users. You can read more about our trademark policy here: http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html Note: the speed for me was perfect. No issues. I'm near Boston. Jan is in Spain. I wonder whether that could be part of the issue? Regards, -Rob The effort is much appreciated! Thanks, Sheran
Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
Am 01/20/2014 08:27 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Mattmrsyt...@gmail.com wrote: I was alarmed last week to find on your download page, a rather large advertisement consisting of a big green button labeled download now which led you too the installer of some malware from another site. I came across this after my wife asked for help saying she installed openoffice from your site but it wasn't to be found on her computer. She had already fallen for the bait. I almost did too as it was very hard to distinguish from actual site content the way it was displayed with out close examination. It amazed me that an organizations like yours would allow such unscrupulous advertisers to misuse your name like that. Your own site warns of scams by repackagers and unaffiliated download sites but your dealings with shady advertising networks on your own site puts the users of open office in just as much danger. Hi Matt, I'm sorry your wife ran into problems when trying to download OpenOffice. The shady advertising network you ran into was Google's, and the website was SourceForge's. Both are reputable companies, I can assure you. But occasionally bad ads do make it in. We have a way to request their removal on a case-by-case basis. You can read more here: https://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-blockthis-initiative-update/ If you have a screenshot and a URL I'd be happy to send that in for you. But I tried right now on the website and I'm not seeing any ads which match your description. Is it possible that your wife downloaded from a different website? We've seen cases where 3rd parties have paid for advertisements in search results, and their ads appear before our website does. Just as an addition: Please make sure to download only from here: http://www.openoffice.org/download/ Here are no ads or malware included. There is no need to search on SourceForge directly for install files - if this was the way you got OpenOffice. HTH Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
On 20 January 2014 20:59, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Rob / Jani and all, What we would like to do, is to take this forward in partnership with Open Office in an official manner and run some courses on a rev-share or similar so that we can put effort into doing this as well and sell training to users together with Open Office. partnership will be very hard, we are all a bunch of volunteers and not a commercial organization. We like to keep our software totally free of ties, a partnership would be a limitation. We have multiple companies, who put resources (mainly man-hours) into enhancing AOO. But very important we dont see the man-hours, we only see and deal with the people (who just happens to get a pay-check from a company). Since this would then be partly a commercial effort, does this require us to send a formal proposal to the pmc or go into a vote or is there a seperate process for this? Apache Software Foundation is a non-profit organization and can pr. definition not be involved in commercial activities. It is however completely legal (and wished) that you use the software and build commercial add-on products around it, as long as you comply with the ALv2 license regarding distribution and the guidelines regarding use of logos and other trademarks. Please let me know. I am not the specialist here, so you might get more input from other people rgds jan I. Thanks, Sheran On Jan 20, 2014 7:43 PM, Isuru Hewavitharana isuru.hewavithar...@gmail.com wrote: Sheran / Rob, I have changed the logo and text as requested. Please do a cache refresh (CTRL + F5) and retry. Cheers! Isuru On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Rob, As per the system, you can configure what courses you want to keep open / closed / work according to the point system, so you can run say 3 courses, for beginners, intermediate, advanced so each user can select which level to participate in. If it is felt that the users need validation (an assessment to gauge their skill level) prior to selecting which course they should take, that can integrated with ease as well from the back-end. A colleague, Isuru is on copy, he will change the logo asap in order to not violate any trademark policies. Regards, Sheran On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Re-posting to dev-list from documentation. Hi All, Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge effort taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the different Wikishttp://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ and a separate effort to certify users via the certification projecthttp://www.openoffice.org/certification/ (which is really great!). At LayUp http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa, we're working on building something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and certification platform targeted entirely at software products) and we would like to help take the online certification aspect to the next level and setup a live demo. I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like for Open Office URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2* The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows - *Username* - user *Password *- demo *Username *- admin *Password *- demo We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of just spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and guide us on how we can take this forward. I took a quick look. I like the platform, nice and clear, easy to use. I think new users would like this. From a learning perspective it might be worth having an install module. This would be platform-specific (Windows install differs from Mac which differs from Linux). But we do receive a good deal of support questions related to install, so this might be an area worth covering. I don't know if your platform allows it, but it would be great if there was a way to take an initial test and based on test results be placed into a higher rank automatically, rather than having everyone start at the same initial level. That way it could be interesting for skill building of users who know a little, as well as absolute beginners. You'll need to give some attention to the trademark issues involved here as well. You currently have it called Apache OpenOffice Academy by Layup. That name, plus the use of the Apache OpenOffice logo, suggests a certain relationship between the website and the OpenOffice
Re: [DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Rob / Jani and all, What we would like to do, is to take this forward in partnership with Open Office in an official manner and run some courses on a rev-share or similar so that we can put effort into doing this as well and sell training to users together with Open Office. Since this would then be partly a commercial effort, does this require us to send a formal proposal to the pmc or go into a vote or is there a seperate process for this? It might be worth giving a high-level description of what you had in mind, without spending too much effort and asking for PMC feedback. But as Jan mentioned, the ASF is a US-based non-profit corporation. So there are restrictions on what kinds of commercial partnerships we can engage in. In particular I don't think we could be involved in selling training. Would it be interesting to have a free OpenOffice course that also is effective as a showcase of the LayUp platform? That would fit better with our status and mission. Regards, -Rob Please let me know. Thanks, Sheran On Jan 20, 2014 7:43 PM, Isuru Hewavitharana isuru.hewavithar...@gmail.com wrote: Sheran / Rob, I have changed the logo and text as requested. Please do a cache refresh (CTRL + F5) and retry. Cheers! Isuru On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Rob, As per the system, you can configure what courses you want to keep open / closed / work according to the point system, so you can run say 3 courses, for beginners, intermediate, advanced so each user can select which level to participate in. If it is felt that the users need validation (an assessment to gauge their skill level) prior to selecting which course they should take, that can integrated with ease as well from the back-end. A colleague, Isuru is on copy, he will change the logo asap in order to not violate any trademark policies. Regards, Sheran On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Re-posting to dev-list from documentation. Hi All, Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge effort taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the different Wikishttp://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ and a separate effort to certify users via the certification projecthttp://www.openoffice.org/certification/ (which is really great!). At LayUp http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa, we're working on building something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and certification platform targeted entirely at software products) and we would like to help take the online certification aspect to the next level and setup a live demo. I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like for Open Office URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2* The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows - *Username* - user *Password *- demo *Username *- admin *Password *- demo We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of just spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and guide us on how we can take this forward. I took a quick look. I like the platform, nice and clear, easy to use. I think new users would like this. From a learning perspective it might be worth having an install module. This would be platform-specific (Windows install differs from Mac which differs from Linux). But we do receive a good deal of support questions related to install, so this might be an area worth covering. I don't know if your platform allows it, but it would be great if there was a way to take an initial test and based on test results be placed into a higher rank automatically, rather than having everyone start at the same initial level. That way it could be interesting for skill building of users who know a little, as well as absolute beginners. You'll need to give some attention to the trademark issues involved here as well. You currently have it called Apache OpenOffice Academy by Layup. That name, plus the use of the Apache OpenOffice logo, suggests a certain relationship between the website and the OpenOffice project which could confuse users. You can read more about our trademark policy here: http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html Note: the speed for me was perfect. No issues. I'm near Boston. Jan is in Spain. I wonder whether that could be part of the issue? Regards, -Rob The effort is much appreciated! Thanks, Sheran
Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
Am 20.01.2014 20:27, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Matt mrsyt...@gmail.com wrote: I was alarmed last week to find on your download page, a rather large advertisement consisting of a big green button labeled download now which led you too the installer of some malware from another site. I came across this after my wife asked for help saying she installed openoffice from your site but it wasn't to be found on her computer. She had already fallen for the bait. I almost did too as it was very hard to distinguish from actual site content the way it was displayed with out close examination. It amazed me that an organizations like yours would allow such unscrupulous advertisers to misuse your name like that. Your own site warns of scams by repackagers and unaffiliated download sites but your dealings with shady advertising networks on your own site puts the users of open office in just as much danger. Hi Matt, I'm sorry your wife ran into problems when trying to download OpenOffice. The shady advertising network you ran into was Google's, and the website was SourceForge's. Both are reputable companies, I can assure you. But occasionally bad ads do make it in. We have a way to request their removal on a case-by-case basis. You can read more here: https://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-blockthis-initiative-update/ If you have a screenshot and a URL I'd be happy to send that in for you. But I tried right now on the website and I'm not seeing any ads which match your description. Is it possible that your wife downloaded from a different website? We've seen cases where 3rd parties have paid for advertisements in search results, and their ads appear before our website does. Regards, -Rob -Matt S - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Rob, it doesn't sound like he got it from sourceforge via Google. He wouldn't have got a virus if it had gone that way. You couldn't know the actual source because Matt didn't name it. Actually, these problems about shady sources for OpenOffice combined with malware are brought forward to the list every day and I think we shouldn't take it too easy. I believe it would be necessary to do some research about those distributors so that they could be stopped exploiting users who just want to use OpenOffice. After all, those malware things could make a bad impression on prospective user who, in the end, decide not to use OpenOffice because they believe it generally comes with malware or adware. Don't you agree? Max - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Max Merbald max.merb...@gmx.de wrote: Am 20.01.2014 20:27, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Matt mrsyt...@gmail.com wrote: I was alarmed last week to find on your download page, a rather large advertisement consisting of a big green button labeled download now which led you too the installer of some malware from another site. I came across this after my wife asked for help saying she installed openoffice from your site but it wasn't to be found on her computer. She had already fallen for the bait. I almost did too as it was very hard to distinguish from actual site content the way it was displayed with out close examination. It amazed me that an organizations like yours would allow such unscrupulous advertisers to misuse your name like that. Your own site warns of scams by repackagers and unaffiliated download sites but your dealings with shady advertising networks on your own site puts the users of open office in just as much danger. Hi Matt, I'm sorry your wife ran into problems when trying to download OpenOffice. The shady advertising network you ran into was Google's, and the website was SourceForge's. Both are reputable companies, I can assure you. But occasionally bad ads do make it in. We have a way to request their removal on a case-by-case basis. You can read more here: https://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-blockthis-initiative-update/ If you have a screenshot and a URL I'd be happy to send that in for you. But I tried right now on the website and I'm not seeing any ads which match your description. Is it possible that your wife downloaded from a different website? We've seen cases where 3rd parties have paid for advertisements in search results, and their ads appear before our website does. Regards, -Rob -Matt S - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Rob, it doesn't sound like he got it from sourceforge via Google. He wouldn't have got a virus if it had gone that way. You couldn't know the actual source because Matt didn't name it. He said malware , not virus. Some of the ads in the Google ad network are links to programs with bundled sponsored applications. Some call them bloatware, adware, badware, malware, etc. I don't think we all agree on the terms. But if it is something you didn't want, then it is bad. In any case, if the user is correct that the download happened from our website, then the issue was as I described. If he was wrong about what website he downloaded from, then something else happened. Actually, these problems about shady sources for OpenOffice combined with malware are brought forward to the list every day and I think we shouldn't take it too easy. I believe it would be necessary to do some research about those distributors so that they could be stopped exploiting users who just want to use OpenOffice. After all, those malware things could make a bad impression on prospective user who, in the end, decide not to use OpenOffice because they believe it generally comes with malware or adware. Don't you agree? When we get a clear report, including screen shots and URLs then we can often take action. Unfortunately in many cases we get reports like this days later, and the user is unable to give us the original download URL. Regards, -Rob Max - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Problem with Java on the 64bit Mac OSX?
Hi Raphael, I’ve tested it on OS X 10.9.1 (Java version 1.6.0_65[build 1.6.0_65-b14-462-11M4609] - from Apple.com) and LO 4.2.1 (RC1) and 4.2.2 (RC2) both 64bit but I cannot confirm your observation. For me everything works – even this functionality does not depend on check/uncheck LO Preferences–Advanced–Use Java runtime environment feature. Even if you haven’t installed Java on your Mac OS X notify you about instalation Java. Could you describe your configuration (type of your Mac, version of Mac OS X and version of Java)? Simple test if you have Java installad: Open Terminal.app, type java -version (without quotes). If you haven’t installed Java, OS X notify you (show dialog) otherwise you can see version of installed Java. Best regards +Frantisek Erben 20. 1. 2014 v 13:35, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch: Hi all I just started to test the 64 bit version of Mac OS X AOO. The Letter Wizard don't work at all. can someone confirm that? Greetings Raphael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Problem with Java on the 64bit Mac OSX?
Wizards need JRE to work under AOO But with LO, wizards has been migrated to Python: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38820 - Mail original - De: František Erben erben...@gmail.com À: dev@openoffice.apache.org Envoyé: Lundi 20 Janvier 2014 22:16:01 Objet: Re: Problem with Java on the 64bit Mac OSX? Hi Raphael, I’ve tested it on OS X 10.9.1 (Java version 1.6.0_65[build 1.6.0_65-b14-462-11M4609] - from Apple.com) and LO 4.2.1 (RC1) and 4.2.2 (RC2) both 64bit but I cannot confirm your observation. For me everything works – even this functionality does not depend on check/uncheck LO Preferences–Advanced–Use Java runtime environment feature. Even if you haven’t installed Java on your Mac OS X notify you about instalation Java. Could you describe your configuration (type of your Mac, version of Mac OS X and version of Java)? Simple test if you have Java installad: Open Terminal.app, type java -version (without quotes). If you haven’t installed Java, OS X notify you (show dialog) otherwise you can see version of installed Java. Best regards +Frantisek Erben 20. 1. 2014 v 13:35, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch: Hi all I just started to test the 64 bit version of Mac OS X AOO. The Letter Wizard don't work at all. can someone confirm that? Greetings Raphael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
Right Max. It did not come from openoffice or sourceforge. It was from another site. The download was called Install Converter. A name that sound like it was ment to fool someone into thinking it was related to the download. I didnt think to save the url or screen shot of it. I just went back to the site again. The ad was actually on sourceforge and not your site. When you select the download link it sends you to sourceforge on a downloading page that says your download will start shortly and includes a large space for an ad. Perhaps I should have sent the email to sourceforge. On 01/20/2014 03:59 PM, Max Merbald wrote: Am 20.01.2014 20:27, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Matt mrsyt...@gmail.com wrote: I was alarmed last week to find on your download page, a rather large advertisement consisting of a big green button labeled download now which led you too the installer of some malware from another site. I came across this after my wife asked for help saying she installed openoffice from your site but it wasn't to be found on her computer. She had already fallen for the bait. I almost did too as it was very hard to distinguish from actual site content the way it was displayed with out close examination. It amazed me that an organizations like yours would allow such unscrupulous advertisers to misuse your name like that. Your own site warns of scams by repackagers and unaffiliated download sites but your dealings with shady advertising networks on your own site puts the users of open office in just as much danger. Hi Matt, I'm sorry your wife ran into problems when trying to download OpenOffice. The shady advertising network you ran into was Google's, and the website was SourceForge's. Both are reputable companies, I can assure you. But occasionally bad ads do make it in. We have a way to request their removal on a case-by-case basis. You can read more here: https://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-blockthis-initiative-update/ If you have a screenshot and a URL I'd be happy to send that in for you. But I tried right now on the website and I'm not seeing any ads which match your description. Is it possible that your wife downloaded from a different website? We've seen cases where 3rd parties have paid for advertisements in search results, and their ads appear before our website does. Regards, -Rob -Matt S - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Rob, it doesn't sound like he got it from sourceforge via Google. He wouldn't have got a virus if it had gone that way. You couldn't know the actual source because Matt didn't name it. Actually, these problems about shady sources for OpenOffice combined with malware are brought forward to the list every day and I think we shouldn't take it too easy. I believe it would be necessary to do some research about those distributors so that they could be stopped exploiting users who just want to use OpenOffice. After all, those malware things could make a bad impression on prospective user who, in the end, decide not to use OpenOffice because they believe it generally comes with malware or adware. Don't you agree? Max - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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Open oficce programını ne zaman bilgisayarıma yüklesem trojen türü virüs bulaşıyor. Sistemin hepsini formatlıyorum. Neden oluyor bu? 1 aydır uğraşıyorum. Başka FTP programları kullanıyorum. Onları kaldırdım. Bilgisayarı formatladım. Antivirüs programı fotoğraftaki virüsü yakaladı. Sizleri polise ihbar edeceğim!(This message Turkish.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Compiling solver in cygwin references missing include folder
I'm trying to set up my Windows 7 + cygwin + VSPro2008 system to build the aoo trunk, with the hope of making some modest contributions to the project. The build -all stage gets some ways into the task then gives the following error message (quoted with some preceding lines for context): Entering /cygdrive/h/aoo-trunk/main/sal/systools/win32/onlineupdate Making:all_onlinecheck.dpslo Compiling: sal/wntmsci12.pro/misc/onlinecheck_version.c Compiling: sal/systools/win32/onlineupdate/onlinecheck.cxx Making:module definition file onlinecheck.def Making:onlinecheck.dll Microsoft (R) Windows (R) Resource Compiler Version 6.1.7600.16385 Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Microsoft (R) Incremental Linker Version 9.00.21022.08 Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. /MAP /OPT:NOREF -safeseh -nxcompat -dynamicbase -NODEFAULTLIB -RELEASE -DEBUG -INCREMENTAL:NO /SUBSYSTEM:CONSOLE /DLL -out:../../../wntmsci12.pro/bin/onlinecheck.dll -map:../../../wntmsci12.pro/misc/onlinecheck.map -def:../../../wntmsci12.pro/misc/onlinecheck.def -implib:../../../wntmsci12.pro/lib/onlinecheck.lib ../../../wntmsci12.pro/slo/onlinecheck_version.obj ../../../wntmsci12.pro/slo/onlinecheck.obj kernel32.lib msvcrt.lib msvcprt.lib wininet.lib msvcrt.lib msvcprt.lib uwinapi.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib oldnames.lib ../../../wntmsci12.pro/misc/onlinecheck.res Creating library ../../../wntmsci12.pro/lib/onlinecheck.lib and object ../../../wntmsci12.pro/lib/onlinecheck.exp linking ../../../wntmsci12.pro/bin/onlinecheck.dll.manifest ... Making:all_onlinecheck.dpslo Entering /cygdrive/h/aoo-trunk/main/sal/rtl/source Making:all_cpprtl.dpslo Making:all_cpprtl.dpobj --- ALWAYSDBGFILES --- Compiling: sal/rtl/source/debugprint.cxx --- ALWAYSDBGFILES OVER --- Compiling: sal/rtl/source/memory.c Compiling: sal/rtl/source/cipher.c Compiling: sal/rtl/source/crc.c Compiling: sal/rtl/source/digest.c Compiling: sal/rtl/source/random.c Compiling: sal/rtl/source/locale.c Compiling: sal/rtl/source/strimp.c Compiling: sal/rtl/source/hash.cxx H:/aoo-trunk/main/solver/410/wntmsci12.pro/inc/stl\hash_set(31) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: '../../VC/include/unordered_set': No such file or directory dmake: Error code 2, while making '../../wntmsci12.pro/obj/hash.obj' 1 module(s): sal need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /cygdrive/h/aoo-trunk/main/sal/rtl/source When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by running: build --all:sal I confirm that the hash_set file indeed has an include line referencing the folder ../../VC/include/, which does not exist on my system: /// (line 25):/ #ifdef HAVE_STL_INCLUDE_PATH // TODO: use computed include file name #include_next unordered_set #elif defined(__cplusplus) (__cplusplus = 201103L) #include unordered_set #elif defined(_MSC_VER) #include ../../VC/include/unordered_set #define STLP4_EMUBASE_NS ::std::tr1 #else // fall back to boost/tr1 #include boost/tr1/tr1/unordered_set #define STLP4_EMUBASE_NS ::boost #endif Can someone advise how to work around this? Do I need to somehow specify an STL path in the configure ... step? Or do I need to give a path to the boost library? Or did I miss a warning somewhere? My compiler resides at /cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC/bin, and the folder /cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC/include has its own hash_set file, but no unordered_set file. Happy to supply any additional information that may help. Regards. Greg
Re: [DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
Great! Thanks for the feedback. I had a discussion with our integration team, we would be happy to contribute the effort required to create a course and provide an instance of the platform - give it free of charge to users. However, we would like to brand this as Apache Open Office Training Academy or similar - can we do this (with explicit permission from AOO as per trademark policy) given that this is a community support effort, with material offered for free, and does not violate ALv2? Regards, Sheran On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Rob / Jani and all, What we would like to do, is to take this forward in partnership with Open Office in an official manner and run some courses on a rev-share or similar so that we can put effort into doing this as well and sell training to users together with Open Office. Since this would then be partly a commercial effort, does this require us to send a formal proposal to the pmc or go into a vote or is there a seperate process for this? It might be worth giving a high-level description of what you had in mind, without spending too much effort and asking for PMC feedback. But as Jan mentioned, the ASF is a US-based non-profit corporation. So there are restrictions on what kinds of commercial partnerships we can engage in. In particular I don't think we could be involved in selling training. Would it be interesting to have a free OpenOffice course that also is effective as a showcase of the LayUp platform? That would fit better with our status and mission. Regards, -Rob Please let me know. Thanks, Sheran On Jan 20, 2014 7:43 PM, Isuru Hewavitharana isuru.hewavithar...@gmail.com wrote: Sheran / Rob, I have changed the logo and text as requested. Please do a cache refresh (CTRL + F5) and retry. Cheers! Isuru On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Rob, As per the system, you can configure what courses you want to keep open / closed / work according to the point system, so you can run say 3 courses, for beginners, intermediate, advanced so each user can select which level to participate in. If it is felt that the users need validation (an assessment to gauge their skill level) prior to selecting which course they should take, that can integrated with ease as well from the back-end. A colleague, Isuru is on copy, he will change the logo asap in order to not violate any trademark policies. Regards, Sheran On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Sheran Corera sherancor...@gmail.com wrote: Re-posting to dev-list from documentation. Hi All, Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge effort taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the different Wikishttp://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ and a separate effort to certify users via the certification projecthttp://www.openoffice.org/certification/ (which is really great!). At LayUp http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa, we're working on building something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and certification platform targeted entirely at software products) and we would like to help take the online certification aspect to the next level and setup a live demo. I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like for Open Office URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2* The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows - *Username* - user *Password *- demo *Username *- admin *Password *- demo We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of just spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and guide us on how we can take this forward. I took a quick look. I like the platform, nice and clear, easy to use. I think new users would like this. From a learning perspective it might be worth having an install module. This would be platform-specific (Windows install differs from Mac which differs from Linux). But we do receive a good deal of support questions related to install, so this might be an area worth covering. I don't know if your platform allows it, but it would be great if there was a way to take an initial test and based on test results be placed into a higher rank automatically, rather than having everyone start at the same initial level. That way it could be interesting for skill building of users who know a little, as well as absolute
Re: hi
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 01:41:33 +0200 Taner SOYSÜREN taner.soysu...@hotmail.com wrote: Open oficce programını ne zaman bilgisayarıma yüklesem trojen türü virüs bulaşıyor. Sistemin hepsini formatlıyorum. Neden oluyor bu? 1 aydır uğraşıyorum. Başka FTP programları kullanıyorum. Onları kaldırdım. Bilgisayarı formatladım. Antivirüs programı fotoğraftaki virüsü yakaladı. Sizleri polise ihbar edeceğim!(This message Turkish.) You should download only from www.openoffice.org/download which will automatically redirect you to SourceForge servers. Any other download site may be compromised. It is best practice to scan any downloaded file for virus/malware before installing it. This is your responsibility as the user /controller of your compter. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Precompiled headers
Yesterday I was asked whether the use of precompiled headers had any benefit on the compilation speed. I thought the answer would be yes but I was not sure. So I did some tests. And the difference is huge. I compiled sw/ with make -sr -j8 on a i7 s2720 (2.2GHz), 8GB Ram laptop. Without precompiled headers that takes a little over 19 minutes. With precompiled headers that drops down to a little over 10 minutes. That is a reduction of almost 50%. Maybe we should think to a) make the --enable-pch configure switch the default and b) remove the word experimental from its description. Regards, Andre - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
