Fighting epm

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi at all

For some reasons I have problemes with epm on Ubuntu 12.04. I run into the 
fellowing build error:

dmake:  Error: -- 
`./unxlngi6.pro/misc/3ade8cfe7e59ca8e65052644fed9fca4-epm-3.7.unpack' not 
found, and can't be made
The epm swithch I Used is the fellowing:
--with-epm-url=http://www.msweet.org/files/project2/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz

Maybe someone can help me

Greetings Raphael

Re: Ask OpenOffice #2 Top Questions: Now for the answers....

[Dave Fisher]

On Feb 27, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Armin Le Grand wrote:

> On 27.02.2014 15:00, Kay Schenk wrote:
>> 
>> ---
>>> 
>>> 2)  A series of questions on proposed features and how we decide on
>>> new features, including:
>>> 
>>> a) Is it possible to include a 'Track Change' feature in OpenOffice
>>> like the one in MS Word?
>>> 
>>> b) When will OpenOffice be able to support saving in (.doc) for
>>> Microsoft Word 2012-2014?
>>> 
>>> c) Does Open Office plan to add capability to print out marginal
>>> comments/notes on the document page where they appear instead of as a
>>> separate list at the end of the document?"
>>> 
>>> d) Will OpenOffice users be able to import a "PDF" file, update it,
>>> and export the updated file?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> e) How does you decide what features to put into OpenOffice?
>>> 
>>> f) What is the average time it takes you to fix a bug? add a new feature?
>>> 
>>> Rob:  I thought we'd lump these all together and give an in-depth
>>> response about how features and bug fixes are prioritized in a
>>> volunteer-led open source project at Apache.
>> 
>> The PDF question seems like a much larger animal than some of the others to 
>> me. Probably on par with b) -- on a larger scale maybe.
>> 
>> It may need a larger/longer explanation on its own.
> 
> I see two reasons we do not have that 'roundtrip':
> 
> (1) The PDF exporter needs to work Page-oriented since PDF is. That is the 
> main reason the import was implemented originally for draw format, not for 
> Writer. When importing to Writer, the Page breaks would not be guaranteed. 
> Also the imported text is not 'floating' text in the classical sense of a 
> Writer paragraph - this was AFAIK not possible with the import method chosen. 
> Thus it would not behave well in Writer when you klick somewhere in such a 
> imported document and start writing.
> 
> (2) There are enough (even free) programs that add 'overlay' to PDF, e.g. for 
> signing documents, so this is not needed to be done by AOO, too.

I am giving two presentations at Apachecon. One of these is about Osmosis a 
tool my team at work developed that converts PDFs to editable PowerPoint and 
HTML5 files. It uses Apache PDFBox and Apache POI. My hope is that this can 
become a software grant, currently preparing to jump through the necessary 
corporate hoops.

Regards,
Dave

> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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4.1.0_release_blocker requested: [Bug 87182] Crash on formatting OLE Draw object

[bugzilla]

Armin Le Grand  has asked  for 4.1.0_release_blocker:
Bug 87182: Crash on formatting OLE Draw object
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=87182


--- Additional Comments from Armin Le Grand 
Comitted, done.
Since it is a crash less, not unsafe to fix and may also crash when Draw is
used as OLE from other apps I request 4.1.0 release blocker flag.

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Re: Ask OpenOffice #2 Top Questions: Now for the answers....

[Jonathon]

On February 27, 2014 2:54:26 PM PST, "Marcus (OOo)"  wrote:

>>> 8) Does it cost anything to upload a template online?
>>> Rob: No. Odd that this questions got so many votes. Any ideas on why  this 
>>> is a question?
>Marcus: No, absolutely not. There is nothing on the Sourceforge hosted 
>webpages that would point into this direction. Combine the answer with 
>extensions as it would be the next question.

My guess is that it is a combination of:
* Unclear instructions on how to upload a template to be used by AOo;
* The presence of templates that are not Gratis;
* The presence of templates that are not Libre;
* Some of the vocabulary used by SourceForge;

jonathon
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Re: Ask OpenOffice #2 Top Questions: Now for the answers....

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 02/27/2014 11:00 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:



On 02/27/2014 10:02 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

Time to wrap this up. I've gone through the 275 questions from 430
users and picked out the top ones. I dropped the ones that repeated
questions we already answered in our last iteration of this. I also
combined questions where there were duplicates or repetitions. In
some cases I reworded questions for clarity.

Here's the "top 10", with some partial responses on a few of them.
I'll need your help to craft responses for all of them.


---

1) How can it be Microsoft is a platinum sponsor of Apache when
OpenOffice is competing with MS Office?


Rob: This is an odd question to ask us, but I suppose we can explain
how the ASF is a foundation that supports many (100+) open source
projects and that a sponsor of AOO does not necessarily participate or
endorse every project at Apache. But again, this is an odd question
for us. Maybe we can pass it off to Ross Gardler for a better answer?


Marcus: Or any other Apache member as I don't see us alone to provide an 
answer.



---

2) A series of questions on proposed features and how we decide on
new features, including:

a) Is it possible to include a 'Track Change' feature in OpenOffice
like the one in MS Word?


Marcus: Looks like the user has not yet found the "Changes" function in 
the Edit menu.



b) When will OpenOffice be able to support saving in (.doc) for
Microsoft Word 2012-2014?


Marcus: Depends on how the progress of the OSBA code is going. Maybe 
Oliver or Juergen can tell more?



c) Does Open Office plan to add capability to print out marginal
comments/notes on the document page where they appear instead of as a
separate list at the end of the document?"


Marcus: When you define a page as Letter or DIN A4, then comments are 
shown outside of this as there is still space on the monitor. However, I 
don't know how to do the same when printing on paper. ;-)



d) Will OpenOffice users be able to import a "PDF" file, update it,
and export the updated file?


Marcus: First we should discuss if we want this as it would be a big 
implementation effort. If so we would rise to another full-featured PDF 
editor, beside Adobe.



e) How does you decide what features to put into OpenOffice?

f) What is the average time it takes you to fix a bug? add a new feature?

Rob: I thought we'd lump these all together and give an in-depth
response about how features and bug fixes are prioritized in a
volunteer-led open source project at Apache.


Marcus: IMHO it doesn't make sense to give 2 numbers. Every bug and 
feature is different and its fix/implemenation depends on so many 
factors that knowing just the number is senseless. It would be valid for 
a specific type of bugs/features. Others can look very similar but needs 
to be treated totally different in the code. It would be hard to explain 
to an average user.



The PDF question seems like a much larger animal than some of the others
to me. Probably on par with b) -- on a larger scale maybe.

It may need a larger/longer explanation on its own.


Armin has provided an interesting answer in the meantime.


---


3) What are the long term support and development plans for OpenOffice?

Rob: This is an opportunity for us to state our practice of supporting
version N and N-1 and point to the consultants page where users can
find those who can offer longer term support.


Marcus: To refer to the consultants is a good idea. I don't think that 
we would have enough ressources to do it on our own.



---

4) What are some of the most interesting features in OpenOffice that
most users don't know even exist?

Rob: It seems most users don't know how to use word competition ;-)
But maybe we can nominate 4 or 5 "hidden features" or "underused
features" that users might not know about?


Marcus: The AutoCorrect feature (see menu "Tools - AutoCorrect Options" 
is also a hidden feature - or should I say highly misunderstood?


Furthermore, some words about the spell check and that we don't do them 
on our own but rely on extension. This could maybe hel pto avoid 
requests like "This and that word is wrong - please fit it".



---


5) What's being done to help realise the universal OpenDocument dream?

Rob: We have some material here from our Document Freedom Day blog
post, talking about project members who are also active in the OASIS
ODF TC and the standardization effort.

---


6) Are there backdoors or spyware in Apache OpenOffice?

Rob: Like we'd tell you if there were? ;-) But seriously, this
could be a topic of a standalone blog post, and maybe we should do
that. We could discuss open source security, how we handle
vulnerability reports and the advantage of open source transparency
for preventing back doors.


Marcus: The long-awaited NSA quest

Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1

[Samer Mansour]

I'm tweaking the source SVGs so that the pixels in lines aren't between two
pixels and look blurry.
Once the SVGs are done its only a few minutes to generate the different
output types.

I kept waiting to have free uninterrupted block of time to complete the
icons in the two months, which never happened.
This last week I realized I'm making better progress if I did one icon each
night.
I'll keep posting updated zips with source SVGs as each finish.

Soon I'll have the source svg's done, then we can worry about generating
assets.

Samer


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:50 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

> On 2/25/14 1:58 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 02/24/2014 07:32 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >> On 2/19/14 4:18 AM, Samer Mansour wrote:
> >>> Good eye on the green, that was a mistake, correcting now and
> >>> uploading a
> >>> new copy shortly.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah @2 for their retina display basically twice the physical pixels
> per
> >>> inch (not sure if that statement is true, but its how we figure out the
> >>> icons.)
> >>>
> >>> I know we need windows format, we still have time before the release,
> >>> Jurgen or if someone else knows what formats and sizes we need that
> >>> would
> >>> be a great help.
> >>
> >> I will check the needed formats asap but important is that you provide
> >> the svg's that others can help as well.
> >>
> >> As always it is not easy to identify how the process work and where the
> >> images are stored and where to used ... We have some in default_images
> >> and used in probably in the start center and ??? Then we have icons in
> >> sysui as *.ico and *.icns
> >>
> >> Means there is still some work to do but I would like to try to include
> >> them for AOO 4.1.
> >>
> >> Can you share the svg files asap?
> >>
> >> Juergen
> >
> > Juergen --
> >
> > It looks like there are  svg items included in the zip files --
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=34834886
> >
> >
> > I don't know right at the moment if this is all we need.
>
> I have seen this but the file type icons are not complete, only impress
> and math are available.
>
> Juergen
>
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Samer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Andre Fischer 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  On 18.02.2014 04:36, Samer Mansour wrote:
> 
> > I know for windows 48x48 is used in windows 8 in a lot of defaults.
> > I'm hoping I'm not too late to get the list of all icons
> sizes/formats
> > needed to finish this before the next release.
> > Anyone know when the next release is?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Samer Mansour 
> > wrote:
> >
> >   cwiki is back up now
> >>
> >> I've uploaded the application icons in a zip to
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/
> >> AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons
> >> Scroll down to feb 17th, I went with my last design and did the
> final
> >> pixel tweaking so anti-aliasing doesn't blur the pixels in the
> icons.
> >> Its the circle with the gull and the context offset in the lower
> left
> >> corner.
> >>
> >
>  Samer, thanks for your work.  I have one remark and one (possibly
>  stupid)
>  question:
> 
>  - The PNG icons for Calc have slight transparancy in their background
>  color.  As this does not exist in the SVG nor in icons for other
>  applications, I assume this is a mistake.
> 
>  - Maybe I have missed this in a previous mail, but what does the @2
>  part
>  of some of the icons mean?  Is that a Mac thing?
> 
>  Regards,
>  Andre
> 
> 
> 
> >> Samer
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Kay Schenk 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>   On 02/17/2014 08:41 AM, Samer Mansour wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   Sorry about this situation.
> 
>  I will produce the following pngs for macOS today. The cwiki
>  seems to
>  be
>  down, so I can e-mail you the sources and finished products
>  directly
> 
>  icon_16x16.png
>  icon_16...@2.png (32x32)
>  icon_32x326.png
>  icon_32...@2.png (64x64)
>  icon_128x128.png
>  icon_128x...@2.png (256x256)
>  icon_256x256.png
>  icon_256x...@2.png (512x512)
>  icon_512x512.png
>  icon_512x...@2.png (1024x1024)
> 
>  Can you compile a list of formats we need? ie windows and mac,
>  and what
>  ever else we need.
> 
> 
>    Hi Samer --
> >>> Since both wikis are currently down, can you put sources
> >>> people.apache.org area somewhere so we could get to them?
> >>> We can do the rendering once we have the ".svg" files without any
> >>> problem.
> >>>
> >>> I think Jürgen is on vacation this week.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for all your wonderful work on these updates.
> >

Re: Ask OpenOffice #2 Top Questions: Now for the answers....

[Armin Le Grand]

On 27.02.2014 15:00, Kay Schenk wrote:


---


2)  A series of questions on proposed features and how we decide on
new features, including:

a) Is it possible to include a 'Track Change' feature in OpenOffice
like the one in MS Word?

b) When will OpenOffice be able to support saving in (.doc) for
Microsoft Word 2012-2014?

c) Does Open Office plan to add capability to print out marginal
comments/notes on the document page where they appear instead of as a
separate list at the end of the document?"

d) Will OpenOffice users be able to import a "PDF" file, update it,
and export the updated file?


e) How does you decide what features to put into OpenOffice?

f) What is the average time it takes you to fix a bug? add a new 
feature?


Rob:  I thought we'd lump these all together and give an in-depth
response about how features and bug fixes are prioritized in a
volunteer-led open source project at Apache.


The PDF question seems like a much larger animal than some of the 
others to me. Probably on par with b) -- on a larger scale maybe.


It may need a larger/longer explanation on its own.


I see two reasons we do not have that 'roundtrip':

(1) The PDF exporter needs to work Page-oriented since PDF is. That is 
the main reason the import was implemented originally for draw format, 
not for Writer. When importing to Writer, the Page breaks would not be 
guaranteed. Also the imported text is not 'floating' text in the 
classical sense of a Writer paragraph - this was AFAIK not possible with 
the import method chosen. Thus it would not behave well in Writer when 
you klick somewhere in such a imported document and start writing.


(2) There are enough (even free) programs that add 'overlay' to PDF, 
e.g. for signing documents, so this is not needed to be done by AOO, too.






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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[info]

Hi Rob

Zitat von Rob Weir :


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:31 PM,   wrote:

Hi at all

Zitat von jan i :



On 27 February 2014 16:58, Vladislav Stevanovic <
stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com> wrote:


Is it too late for update Serbian language?
Wlada


2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt :




just for my understanding, dont we need to vote on the beta as well as the
release. We send the beta out to general public, that would normally
require a vote (might be a fast one).



I wouldn't make a beta as a RC. After a Beta you have normaly several
showstopers to fix. I recall, RC = Release Candidate wich means, that we
assume the build is ready for release. Beta... wait two or tree weeks fix
showstoppers, and then a RC. And the important tests are not the one in the
RC, the important tests are at the build befor RC. Else we make the same
mess as in the 4.0.0.



It is an Release Candidate because a beta is a Release.  When we vote
on the RC we agree it is ready for release as a beta.  After that
we'll fix more bugs and have another RC and vote for that to be
released as 4.1.

I think the confusion is that we use the word "release" into two ways:

1) The Apache definition of a release == something that a PMC votes on
and approves for publication and public consumption

2) Release as the final version of a product cycle

One way to avoid confusion is to use "GA" for the 2nd meaning (GA=
General Availability).  If we do that then it is clear:

1) We have a RC for the Beta and then we release the beta

2) Some weeks later, after fixing more bugs we have an RC for the GA
and then we release the GA



Oh yes, I missunderstud Jürgens answare. I forgot that we have to make  
a RC for the Beta too.


Greetings Raphael

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Re: Ask OpenOffice #2 Top Questions: Now for the answers....

[Kay Schenk]

On 02/27/2014 10:02 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

Time to wrap this up.   I've gone through the 275 questions from 430
users and picked out the top ones.  I dropped the ones that repeated
questions we already answered in our last iteration of this.  I also
combined questions where there were duplicates or repetitions.  In
some cases I reworded questions for clarity.

Here's the "top 10", with some partial responses on a few of them.
I'll need your help to craft responses for all of them.


---

1) How can it be Microsoft is a platinum sponsor of Apache when
OpenOffice is competing with MS Office?


Rob:  This is an odd question to ask us, but I suppose we can explain
how the ASF is a foundation that supports many (100+) open source
projects and that a sponsor of AOO does not necessarily participate or
endorse every project at Apache.  But again, this is an odd question
for us.  Maybe we can pass it off to Ross Gardler for a better answer?

---

2)  A series of questions on proposed features and how we decide on
new features, including:

a) Is it possible to include a 'Track Change' feature in OpenOffice
like the one in MS Word?

b) When will OpenOffice be able to support saving in (.doc) for
Microsoft Word 2012-2014?

c) Does Open Office plan to add capability to print out marginal
comments/notes on the document page where they appear instead of as a
separate list at the end of the document?"

d) Will OpenOffice users be able to import a "PDF" file, update it,
and export the updated file?


e) How does you decide what features to put into OpenOffice?

f) What is the average time it takes you to fix a bug? add a new feature?

Rob:  I thought we'd lump these all together and give an in-depth
response about how features and bug fixes are prioritized in a
volunteer-led open source project at Apache.


The PDF question seems like a much larger animal than some of the others 
to me. Probably on par with b) -- on a larger scale maybe.


It may need a larger/longer explanation on its own.



---


3) What are the long term support and development plans for OpenOffice?

Rob: This is an opportunity for us to state our practice of supporting
version N and N-1 and point to the consultants page where users can
find those who can offer longer term support.

---

4) What are some of the most interesting features in OpenOffice that
most users don't know even exist?

Rob:  It seems most users don't know how to use word competition ;-)
But maybe we can nominate 4 or 5 "hidden features" or "underused
features" that users might not know about?

---


5) What's being done to help realise the universal OpenDocument dream?

Rob: We have some material here from our Document Freedom Day blog
post, talking about project members who are also active in the OASIS
ODF TC and the standardization effort.

---


6) Are there backdoors or spyware in Apache OpenOffice?

Rob:  Like we'd tell you if there were? ;-)But seriously, this
could be a topic of a standalone blog post, and maybe we should do
that.  We could discuss open source security, how we handle
vulnerability reports and the advantage of open source transparency
for preventing back doors.

---

7) How many volunteers work on OpenOffice?

Rob:  We can discuss the various kinds of volunteers in different
areas and get some stats.

---


8) Does it cost anything to upload a template online?

Rob: No.  Odd that this questions got so many votes.  Any ideas on why
this is a question?

---

9) What is being done to have openoffice return to be the default
suite in linux distributions?

Rob:  Anyone have an answer for this one?
---

10) How can a new volunteer contribute to the OpenOffice project?

Rob: Can point them to our "get involved" page.

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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 02/27/2014 10:05 PM, schrieb jan i:

On 27 February 2014 21:59, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:


Am 02/27/2014 09:31 PM, schrieb i...@raphaelbircher.ch:

  Hi at all


Zitat von jan i:

  On 27 February 2014 16:58, Vladislav Stevanovic<

stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com>  wrote:

  Is it too late for update Serbian language?

Wlada


2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt:


Hi,

we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
serious bugfixes that we have identified already.

The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
at the beginning of next.

The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
not a good idea.

Work remaining before beta

1) Defect verification

2) Release Notes
check, update and finalize the release notes [1]

3) Communications
Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
users do we want to reach with the beta.

4) Release vote

Based on this a possible schedule can be

March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote




just for my understanding, dont we need to vote on the beta as well as
the
release. We send the beta out to general public, that would normally
require a vote (might be a fast one).



I wouldn't make a beta as a RC. After a Beta you have normaly several
showstopers to fix. I recall, RC = Release Candidate wich means, that we
assume the build is ready for release. Beta... wait two or tree weeks
fix showstoppers, and then a RC. And the important tests are not the one
in the RC, the important tests are at the build befor RC. Else we make
the same mess as in the 4.0.0.



RC means (at least for me) that you are done with that what you planned
for the coming release. At the moment we can nearly ready for the Beta
Release. So making a RC to get it out.

Later in the calendar we do another RC when we think 4.1.0 is ready for
public use as final release.

You can name different release builds as RC - depending on what you want
to archive with them - which is more or less only internally relevant. I
think this is what Juergen wanted to express.



the names are less important to me than the votes. Juergens schedule
suggested only 1 vote, but it seems I am not the only one who expect (at
least) 2 votes (one for Beta and one for GA).

I agree with Rob, that the word "release" is confusing, and the term "GA"
more precise for our purpose.


sure, this is also a solution. Maybe indeed the better one. ;-)

Marcus




  >  March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)

...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including

showstopper

fixes
April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1

Any opinions or feedback
Juergen


[1]


https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/
AOO+4.1+Release+Notes


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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 02/27/2014 04:50 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

Hi,

we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
serious bugfixes that we have identified already.

The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
at the beginning of next.

The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
not a good idea.

Work remaining before beta

1) Defect verification

2) Release Notes
check, update and finalize the release notes [1]

3) Communications
Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
users do we want to reach with the beta.

4) Release vote

Based on this a possible schedule can be

March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote
March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including showstopper
fixes
April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1

Any opinions or feedback


I'll try to make one day off to be available on March 10th the whole 
day, so we can be flexible with announcements and publications.


Marcus




[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes


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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[jan i]

On 27 February 2014 21:59, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

> Am 02/27/2014 09:31 PM, schrieb i...@raphaelbircher.ch:
>
>  Hi at all
>>
>> Zitat von jan i :
>>
>>  On 27 February 2014 16:58, Vladislav Stevanovic <
>>> stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Is it too late for update Serbian language?
 Wlada


 2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

 > Hi,
 >
 > we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
 > means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
 > serious bugfixes that we have identified already.
 >
 > The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
 > the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
 > at the beginning of next.
 >
 > The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
 > should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
 > not a good idea.
 >
 > Work remaining before beta
 >
 > 1) Defect verification
 >
 > 2) Release Notes
 > check, update and finalize the release notes [1]
 >
 > 3) Communications
 > Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
 > users do we want to reach with the beta.
 >
 > 4) Release vote
 >
 > Based on this a possible schedule can be
 >
 > March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote


>>> just for my understanding, dont we need to vote on the beta as well as
>>> the
>>> release. We send the beta out to general public, that would normally
>>> require a vote (might be a fast one).
>>>
>>
>> I wouldn't make a beta as a RC. After a Beta you have normaly several
>> showstopers to fix. I recall, RC = Release Candidate wich means, that we
>> assume the build is ready for release. Beta... wait two or tree weeks
>> fix showstoppers, and then a RC. And the important tests are not the one
>> in the RC, the important tests are at the build befor RC. Else we make
>> the same mess as in the 4.0.0.
>>
>
> RC means (at least for me) that you are done with that what you planned
> for the coming release. At the moment we can nearly ready for the Beta
> Release. So making a RC to get it out.
>
> Later in the calendar we do another RC when we think 4.1.0 is ready for
> public use as final release.
>
> You can name different release builds as RC - depending on what you want
> to archive with them - which is more or less only internally relevant. I
> think this is what Juergen wanted to express.
>

the names are less important to me than the votes. Juergens schedule
suggested only 1 vote, but it seems I am not the only one who expect (at
least) 2 votes (one for Beta and one for GA).

I agree with Rob, that the word "release" is confusing, and the term "GA"
more precise for our purpose.

rgds
jan I.




>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>  > March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
 > ...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including
 showstopper
 > fixes
 > April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
 > April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1
 >
 > Any opinions or feedback
 > Juergen
 >
 >
 > [1]
 >
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/
 AOO+4.1+Release+Notes

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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 02/27/2014 09:31 PM, schrieb i...@raphaelbircher.ch:

Hi at all

Zitat von jan i :


On 27 February 2014 16:58, Vladislav Stevanovic <
stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com> wrote:


Is it too late for update Serbian language?
Wlada


2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

> Hi,
>
> we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
> means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
> serious bugfixes that we have identified already.
>
> The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
> the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
> at the beginning of next.
>
> The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
> should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
> not a good idea.
>
> Work remaining before beta
>
> 1) Defect verification
>
> 2) Release Notes
> check, update and finalize the release notes [1]
>
> 3) Communications
> Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
> users do we want to reach with the beta.
>
> 4) Release vote
>
> Based on this a possible schedule can be
>
> March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote



just for my understanding, dont we need to vote on the beta as well as
the
release. We send the beta out to general public, that would normally
require a vote (might be a fast one).


I wouldn't make a beta as a RC. After a Beta you have normaly several
showstopers to fix. I recall, RC = Release Candidate wich means, that we
assume the build is ready for release. Beta... wait two or tree weeks
fix showstoppers, and then a RC. And the important tests are not the one
in the RC, the important tests are at the build befor RC. Else we make
the same mess as in the 4.0.0.


RC means (at least for me) that you are done with that what you planned 
for the coming release. At the moment we can nearly ready for the Beta 
Release. So making a RC to get it out.


Later in the calendar we do another RC when we think 4.1.0 is ready for 
public use as final release.


You can name different release builds as RC - depending on what you want 
to archive with them - which is more or less only internally relevant. I 
think this is what Juergen wanted to express.


Marcus




> March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
> ...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including
showstopper
> fixes
> April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
> April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1
>
> Any opinions or feedback
> Juergen
>
>
> [1]
>
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes


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Re: So-called "Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website"

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 02/27/2014 12:46 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:



On 02/09/2014 04:32 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 02/09/2014 12:44 PM, schrieb Hagar Delest:

Le 09/02/2014 11:42, Marcus (OOo) a écrit :

I think we should guide them to the right one. The question is now:
What is the best entry channel for website problems? ;-)


I think that basic users will click on whatever looks like a way that
will get them an answer.
So the question is rather how to direct them to the best list and let
the users wanting to report a problem with the site dig a bit more. I
think that there are much more basic users needing a redirect to the
user ML than real troubles with the site.


I see we are on the same side.

Marcus


Well, as it had been a while since we last had any further discussion on
this, I took the liberty of incorporating the changes we'd already
discussed and agreed upon. The "Contact us" is a bit longer now, but
hopefully it will be more clear to users what's the best thing to do.


Thanks for taking over. It seems I've missed my own deadline. ;-(

Marcus


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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:31 PM,   wrote:
> Hi at all
>
> Zitat von jan i :
>
>
>> On 27 February 2014 16:58, Vladislav Stevanovic <
>> stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it too late for update Serbian language?
>>> Wlada
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt :
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
>>> > means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
>>> > serious bugfixes that we have identified already.
>>> >
>>> > The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
>>> > the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
>>> > at the beginning of next.
>>> >
>>> > The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
>>> > should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
>>> > not a good idea.
>>> >
>>> > Work remaining before beta
>>> >
>>> > 1) Defect verification
>>> >
>>> > 2) Release Notes
>>> > check, update and finalize the release notes [1]
>>> >
>>> > 3) Communications
>>> > Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
>>> > users do we want to reach with the beta.
>>> >
>>> > 4) Release vote
>>> >
>>> > Based on this a possible schedule can be
>>> >
>>> > March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote
>>>
>>
>> just for my understanding, dont we need to vote on the beta as well as the
>> release. We send the beta out to general public, that would normally
>> require a vote (might be a fast one).
>
>
> I wouldn't make a beta as a RC. After a Beta you have normaly several
> showstopers to fix. I recall, RC = Release Candidate wich means, that we
> assume the build is ready for release. Beta... wait two or tree weeks fix
> showstoppers, and then a RC. And the important tests are not the one in the
> RC, the important tests are at the build befor RC. Else we make the same
> mess as in the 4.0.0.
>

It is an Release Candidate because a beta is a Release.  When we vote
on the RC we agree it is ready for release as a beta.  After that
we'll fix more bugs and have another RC and vote for that to be
released as 4.1.

I think the confusion is that we use the word "release" into two ways:

1) The Apache definition of a release == something that a PMC votes on
and approves for publication and public consumption

2) Release as the final version of a product cycle

One way to avoid confusion is to use "GA" for the 2nd meaning (GA=
General Availability).  If we do that then it is clear:

1) We have a RC for the Beta and then we release the beta

2) Some weeks later, after fixing more bugs we have an RC for the GA
and then we release the GA

Regards,

-Rob

> Greetings Raphael
>
>
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>> > March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
>>> > ...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including showstopper
>>> > fixes
>>> > April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
>>> > April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1
>>> >
>>> > Any opinions or feedback
>>> > Juergen
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > [1]
>>> >
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes
>>> >
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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

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Hi at all

Zitat von jan i :


On 27 February 2014 16:58, Vladislav Stevanovic <
stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com> wrote:


Is it too late for update Serbian language?
Wlada


2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

> Hi,
>
> we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
> means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
> serious bugfixes that we have identified already.
>
> The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
> the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
> at the beginning of next.
>
> The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
> should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
> not a good idea.
>
> Work remaining before beta
>
> 1) Defect verification
>
> 2) Release Notes
> check, update and finalize the release notes [1]
>
> 3) Communications
> Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
> users do we want to reach with the beta.
>
> 4) Release vote
>
> Based on this a possible schedule can be
>
> March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote



just for my understanding, dont we need to vote on the beta as well as the
release. We send the beta out to general public, that would normally
require a vote (might be a fast one).


I wouldn't make a beta as a RC. After a Beta you have normaly several  
showstopers to fix. I recall, RC = Release Candidate wich means, that  
we assume the build is ready for release. Beta... wait two or tree  
weeks fix showstoppers, and then a RC. And the important tests are not  
the one in the RC, the important tests are at the build befor RC. Else  
we make the same mess as in the 4.0.0.


Greetings Raphael



rgds
jan I.



> March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
> ...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including showstopper
> fixes
> April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
> April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1
>
> Any opinions or feedback
> Juergen
>
>
> [1]
>
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes
>
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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:11 AM, jan i  wrote:
>
>> On 27 February 2014 16:58, Vladislav Stevanovic <
>> stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Is it too late for update Serbian language?
>> > Wlada
>> >
>> >
>> > 2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt :
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
>> > > means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
>> > > serious bugfixes that we have identified already.
>> > >
>> > > The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
>> > > the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
>> > > at the beginning of next.
>> > >
>> > > The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
>> > > should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
>> > > not a good idea.
>> > >
>> > > Work remaining before beta
>> > >
>> > > 1) Defect verification
>> > >
>> > > 2) Release Notes
>> > > check, update and finalize the release notes [1]
>> > >
>> > > 3) Communications
>> > > Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
>> > > users do we want to reach with the beta.
>> > >
>> > > 4) Release vote
>> > >
>> > > Based on this a possible schedule can be
>> > >
>> > > March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote
>> >
>>
>> just for my understanding, dont we need to vote on the beta as well as the
>> release. We send the beta out to general public, that would normally
>> require a vote (might be a fast one).
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>
> I think this is covered on actually, hopefully, releasing the beta on the
> 10th. In the past we've required a min of 72 hours for a vote, so this
> would be cutting things a bit close I guess...but not by much from previous
> scenarios.
>
>
>>
>> > > March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
>> > > ...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including showstopper
>> > > fixes
>> > > April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
>>
>
> The RC requires an additional vote, right?
>

The process for a beta is the same as the process for any other kind
of release.  The "beta" label doesn't change the process.  The Release
Manager declares a Release Candidate, posts it to his
people.apache.org account and sends out a release ballot of at least
72-hours.   The PMC reviews the Release Candidate, paying special
attention to the legal and policy items, the NOTICE, LICENSE, etc.  If
there is a majority of at least three +1 votes then the RC is approved
and it is released as AOO 4.1 beta.

After the beta we'll need to do the same process again for the
ultimate 4.1 release, making a RC, voting, etc.

-Rob


>
>> > > April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1
>> > >
>> > > Any opinions or feedback
>> > > Juergen
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > [1]
>> > >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes
>> > >
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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[Kay Schenk]

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:11 AM, jan i  wrote:

> On 27 February 2014 16:58, Vladislav Stevanovic <
> stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is it too late for update Serbian language?
> > Wlada
> >
> >
> > 2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt :
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
> > > means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
> > > serious bugfixes that we have identified already.
> > >
> > > The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
> > > the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
> > > at the beginning of next.
> > >
> > > The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
> > > should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
> > > not a good idea.
> > >
> > > Work remaining before beta
> > >
> > > 1) Defect verification
> > >
> > > 2) Release Notes
> > > check, update and finalize the release notes [1]
> > >
> > > 3) Communications
> > > Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
> > > users do we want to reach with the beta.
> > >
> > > 4) Release vote
> > >
> > > Based on this a possible schedule can be
> > >
> > > March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote
> >
>
> just for my understanding, dont we need to vote on the beta as well as the
> release. We send the beta out to general public, that would normally
> require a vote (might be a fast one).
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>

I think this is covered on actually, hopefully, releasing the beta on the
10th. In the past we've required a min of 72 hours for a vote, so this
would be cutting things a bit close I guess...but not by much from previous
scenarios.


>
> > > March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
> > > ...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including showstopper
> > > fixes
> > > April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
>

The RC requires an additional vote, right?


> > > April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1
> > >
> > > Any opinions or feedback
> > > Juergen
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
>



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Ask OpenOffice #2 Top Questions: Now for the answers....

[Rob Weir]

Time to wrap this up.   I've gone through the 275 questions from 430
users and picked out the top ones.  I dropped the ones that repeated
questions we already answered in our last iteration of this.  I also
combined questions where there were duplicates or repetitions.  In
some cases I reworded questions for clarity.

Here's the "top 10", with some partial responses on a few of them.
I'll need your help to craft responses for all of them.


---

1) How can it be Microsoft is a platinum sponsor of Apache when
OpenOffice is competing with MS Office?


Rob:  This is an odd question to ask us, but I suppose we can explain
how the ASF is a foundation that supports many (100+) open source
projects and that a sponsor of AOO does not necessarily participate or
endorse every project at Apache.  But again, this is an odd question
for us.  Maybe we can pass it off to Ross Gardler for a better answer?

---

2)  A series of questions on proposed features and how we decide on
new features, including:

a) Is it possible to include a 'Track Change' feature in OpenOffice
like the one in MS Word?

b) When will OpenOffice be able to support saving in (.doc) for
Microsoft Word 2012-2014?

c) Does Open Office plan to add capability to print out marginal
comments/notes on the document page where they appear instead of as a
separate list at the end of the document?"

d) Will OpenOffice users be able to import a "PDF" file, update it,
and export the updated file?


e) How does you decide what features to put into OpenOffice?

f) What is the average time it takes you to fix a bug? add a new feature?

Rob:  I thought we'd lump these all together and give an in-depth
response about how features and bug fixes are prioritized in a
volunteer-led open source project at Apache.

---


3) What are the long term support and development plans for OpenOffice?

Rob: This is an opportunity for us to state our practice of supporting
version N and N-1 and point to the consultants page where users can
find those who can offer longer term support.

---

4) What are some of the most interesting features in OpenOffice that
most users don't know even exist?

Rob:  It seems most users don't know how to use word competition ;-)
But maybe we can nominate 4 or 5 "hidden features" or "underused
features" that users might not know about?

---


5) What's being done to help realise the universal OpenDocument dream?

Rob: We have some material here from our Document Freedom Day blog
post, talking about project members who are also active in the OASIS
ODF TC and the standardization effort.

---


6) Are there backdoors or spyware in Apache OpenOffice?

Rob:  Like we'd tell you if there were? ;-)But seriously, this
could be a topic of a standalone blog post, and maybe we should do
that.  We could discuss open source security, how we handle
vulnerability reports and the advantage of open source transparency
for preventing back doors.

---

7) How many volunteers work on OpenOffice?

Rob:  We can discuss the various kinds of volunteers in different
areas and get some stats.

---


8) Does it cost anything to upload a template online?

Rob: No.  Odd that this questions got so many votes.  Any ideas on why
this is a question?

---

9) What is being done to have openoffice return to be the default
suite in linux distributions?

Rob:  Anyone have an answer for this one?
---

10) How can a new volunteer contribute to the OpenOffice project?

Rob: Can point them to our "get involved" page.

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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[jan i]

On 27 February 2014 16:58, Vladislav Stevanovic <
stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is it too late for update Serbian language?
> Wlada
>
>
> 2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
> > means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
> > serious bugfixes that we have identified already.
> >
> > The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
> > the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
> > at the beginning of next.
> >
> > The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
> > should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
> > not a good idea.
> >
> > Work remaining before beta
> >
> > 1) Defect verification
> >
> > 2) Release Notes
> > check, update and finalize the release notes [1]
> >
> > 3) Communications
> > Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
> > users do we want to reach with the beta.
> >
> > 4) Release vote
> >
> > Based on this a possible schedule can be
> >
> > March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote
>

just for my understanding, dont we need to vote on the beta as well as the
release. We send the beta out to general public, that would normally
require a vote (might be a fast one).

rgds
jan I.


> > March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
> > ...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including showstopper
> > fixes
> > April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
> > April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1
> >
> > Any opinions or feedback
> > Juergen
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes
> >
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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 2/27/14 4:58 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> Is it too late for update Serbian language?

I have merged the latest translation updates including "sr" on Monday.
The last changes for "sr" were from Feb. 21th. We should be save here :-)

But we can discuss a selective update on demand during the beta phase
and for the final release. Especially for the 6 languages where only
2000-5800 words are missing to complete the UI translation.

Juergen




> Wlada
> 
> 
> 2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt :
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
>> means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
>> serious bugfixes that we have identified already.
>>
>> The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
>> the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
>> at the beginning of next.
>>
>> The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
>> should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
>> not a good idea.
>>
>> Work remaining before beta
>>
>> 1) Defect verification
>>
>> 2) Release Notes
>> check, update and finalize the release notes [1]
>>
>> 3) Communications
>> Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
>> users do we want to reach with the beta.
>>
>> 4) Release vote
>>
>> Based on this a possible schedule can be
>>
>> March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote
>> March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
>> ...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including showstopper
>> fixes
>> April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
>> April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1
>>
>> Any opinions or feedback
>> Juergen
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes
>>
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Re: [RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[Vladislav Stevanovic]

Is it too late for update Serbian language?
Wlada


2014-02-27 16:50 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

> Hi,
>
> we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
> means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
> serious bugfixes that we have identified already.
>
> The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
> the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
> at the beginning of next.
>
> The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
> should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
> not a good idea.
>
> Work remaining before beta
>
> 1) Defect verification
>
> 2) Release Notes
> check, update and finalize the release notes [1]
>
> 3) Communications
> Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
> users do we want to reach with the beta.
>
> 4) Release vote
>
> Based on this a possible schedule can be
>
> March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote
> March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
> ...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including showstopper
> fixes
> April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
> April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1
>
> Any opinions or feedback
> Juergen
>
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes
>
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[RELEASE]: refined AOO 4.1 beta schedule

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi,

we are still verifying some fixes to identify the Beta as real beta,
means some branding elements, names etc. And we are working on some
serious bugfixes that we have identified already.

The current plan is to start the build tomorrow and do the upload over
the weekend. That means we should have a RC for AOO 4.1 beta available
at the beginning of next.

The new icons are still not complete and I am not sure how we can or
should continue here. Replacing them for the final release is probably
not a good idea.

Work remaining before beta

1) Defect verification

2) Release Notes
check, update and finalize the release notes [1]

3) Communications
Clarify the communication/promotion for the beta. For example how many
users do we want to reach with the beta.

4) Release vote

Based on this a possible schedule can be

March 4th: availability of AOO 41. Beta RC + start vote
March 10th: public availability of AOO 41. Beta (until March 31th)
...: additional snapshot builds based on the beta including showstopper
fixes
April 2th: availability of AOO 4.1 RC
April 7th: public availability of AOO 4.1

Any opinions or feedback
Juergen


[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes

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4.1.0_release_blocker granted: [Bug 124233] Different text rendering (word/character width) depending on zoom factor

[bugzilla]

j...@apache.org has granted h...@apache.org 's request for
4.1.0_release_blocker:
Bug 124233: Different text rendering (word/character width) depending on zoom
factor
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124233


--- Additional Comments from j...@apache.org
grant showstopper flag

not usable otherwise

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Re: How could I linked the dependencies of soffice.bin?

[LOH KOK HOE]

Understood. Thanks for your info.

4.1.0_release_blocker requested: [Bug 124233] Different text rendering (word/character width) depending on zoom factor

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h...@apache.org  has asked  for 4.1.0_release_blocker:
Bug 124233: Different text rendering (word/character width) depending on zoom
factor
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124233

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4.1.0_release_blocker granted: [Bug 15508] Break link converts bmp, jpg, png and gif to png format

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j...@apache.org has granted Armin Le Grand 's request for
4.1.0_release_blocker:
Bug 15508: Break link converts bmp, jpg, png and gif to png format
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=15508


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4.1.0_release_blocker requested: [Bug 46480] Backup before saving new version overwrites wrong backup file

[bugzilla]

Edwin Sharp  has asked  for 4.1.0_release_blocker:
Bug 46480: Backup before saving new version overwrites wrong backup file
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46480


--- Additional Comments from Edwin Sharp 
As given in description.
AOO410m1(Build:9750)  -  Rev. 1569541
Rev.1569541
Win 7

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4.1.0_release_blocker requested: [Bug 15508] Break link converts bmp, jpg, png and gif to png format

[bugzilla]

Armin Le Grand  has asked  for 4.1.0_release_blocker:
Bug 15508: Break link converts bmp, jpg, png and gif to png format
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=15508


--- Additional Comments from Armin Le Grand 
Asking for release blocker to get it to 4.1.0 beta. Need to correct/extend
stuff which is already in the beta.

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Re: Does it make sense to raise a showstopper for MacOSX ?

[Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)]

Hi Jürgen,

thank you for your information!

Will therefore keep on waiting and hoping that sometimes in the (hopefully 
near!) future this
problem can be researched and tackled.

[Maybe Java-oxt's are dispatched by default on a different thread (separate JVM 
instance?) than the
"built-in" AOO Java classes on MacOSX? Maybe a Java class loader issue only 
present on MacOSX? Maybe
... of course pure speculations, which may lead to nowhere...]

---rony





On 26.02.2014 15:38, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> Hi Ronny,
>
> the problem is not new as far as I know and not easy to fix. Both the
> office and the JVM requires to run their event loop in the main thread
> and this conflicts on MacOS.
>
> A solution can be potentially to start the JVM in a separate process and
> bridge the communication via UNO.
>
> But I don't see the chance that it get fixed for AOO 4.1 or in the near
> future.
>
> Any usage of awt in macros or extensions on Mac will cause problems and
> is not recommended. And again this problem is not new and exists since
> some time.
>
> It is correct that it worked in the past and I don't know when the
> problem was introduced and which change triggered it. But I know that
> exists since several years and is not easy to fix.
>
> Juergen
>
> On 2/26/14 3:12 PM, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> it seems that dispatching scripts via AOO's Java scripting framework is done 
>> using the wrong thread
>> on MacOSX.
>>
>> This reasoning stems from observing the Java runtime error to be caused e.g. 
>> when using a JDialog to
>> popup reporting the following error:
>>
>> com.sun.star.uno.RuntimeException[jni_uno_bridge_error] UNO calling Java 
>> method invoke: non-UNO exception occurred:
>> java.lang.InternalError: Can't start the AWT because Java was started on 
>> the first thread.
>> Make sure StartOnFirstThread is not specified in your application's 
>> info.plist or on the command line
>>
>> This problem is also present in Herbert's latest drop.
>>
>> This effectively inhibits dispatching any scripts from within AOO on MacOSX, 
>> which works fine on
>> Windows and Linux otherwise (in 32- and the latter in addition in 64-bit).
>>
>> As the code for making ooRexx available was copied from the BeanShell's Java 
>> scripting framework
>> implementation and works on all other platforms flawlessly, this seems to be 
>> a serious error on
>> MacOSX, and therefore a showstopper, IMHO.
>> [The code gets dispatched by AOO and on its supplied thread.]
>>
>> However and interestingly, there seems to be no problem with BeanShell and 
>> JavaScript, which is
>> surprising to me. Not sure why they execute properly on MacOSX, but that 
>> observation is also the
>> reason why I prefer to ask first, before setting the showstopper flag on bug 
>> 124170 (see below).
>>
>> There are two bug issues that document this problem:
>>
>>   * Bug , Comment # 9: 
>> explains where to find
>> the (basically a pure Java-) oxt (a debug version using JDialog) and how 
>> to get the Java error
>> on MacOSX.
>>
>>   * Bug  is probably 
>> related to the same
>> reason (in the part describing problems dispatching scripts and some 
>> sort of work around that
>> more or less worked on the prior 32-bit version).
>>
>> ---
>>
>> It might be interesting to note, that in OpenOffice.org times (32-bit OOo) 
>> it used to work on
>> MacOSX. I am not aware of any changes in the scripting framework that could 
>> cause this behaviour.
>>
>> ---rony


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4.1.0_release_blocker granted: [Bug 123480] CRASH when delete contents in particular document with active 'Record Changes'

[bugzilla]

j...@apache.org has granted Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 's request
for 4.1.0_release_blocker:
Bug 123480: CRASH when delete contents in particular document with active
'Record Changes'
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123480


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4.1.0_release_blocker requested: [Bug 123480] CRASH when delete contents in particular document with active 'Record Changes'

[bugzilla]

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann  has asked  for 4.1.0_release_blocker:
Bug 123480: CRASH when delete contents in particular document with active
'Record Changes'
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123480


--- Additional Comments from Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 
My observation is the following on recent developer snapshot (rev. 1566593):
- Undo does not work, but no freeze.
- A further Redo followed by an Undo causes a freeze

--> reopening issue to correct the Undo.
--> requesting show-stopper status as a fix is needed

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