Re: [DISCUSS] possible blog topic -- AOO and Linux: a marriage made in heaven! :)
Hello, Am 20.04.2014 21:41, schrieb Kay Schenk: On 04/20/2014 11:53 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 20 Apr 2014, at 14:02, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: ...well this is an interesting statement. Getting back to both this and Hagar's response. If we see that getting AOO back into distro repositories is our job, then that's that. FACK the main reason for me is the lack of people doing it. If we find some people with the essential skills I will encourage them. My preferred distribution is Debian Many Linux distros maintain community repositories and perhaps its easiest to use that sort of mechanism for reintegration. Kind regards Mechtilde - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Pre-release IRC+video informal meeting?
On 31/03/2014 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: @andrea, my point is that I am not interested in an informal meeting without a special outcome. Issues of broader interest get attention if they are communicated on the list and we have no timezone issues. I probably mixed the problem with a proposed solution that is not the optimal one. I'm not so interested in the form of this meeting, IRC or video or anything. And it doesn't have to be focused on the pre-release activities. My concern is that currently: 1) It's hard for volunteers to know if their needs are being addressed or not and how the big picture looks like in their areas of interest. For example, I would be able to report on the Localization activities: I know what the community priorities are in that respect, what is being neglected, what should be improved. I don't have the same clarity of vision in QA for example: I would love that someone who is more active in QA tells us things like a lot of new bugs are reported for Impress or we have many duplicate bug reports that are Linux-specific (both invented). This would help the project to have clearer priorities. The Here's an important bug that we need developers to comment on is only part of this. 2) Conversely, it's hard for developers to delegate some tasks. Example (just an example, don't comment on this): I am active in Localization but it's still unclear to most people how we import the old translations into Pootle; we shouldn't expect that a volunteer explicitly asks if he can help with that; if we knew what the needed skills are, we could involve more people and take some workload off the main developers, Juergen in this case. Probably this is true of many other cases, it just needs better communication. So, my new iteration of the issue is: how can we force this communication to happen in an effective way? Many open source projects, even with a completely different structure than OpenOffice, have a periodic IRC meeting where community-selected items are discussed. Could we try something like that, still keeping in mind that decisions are taken on lists and that this would be a communication/awareness improvement? Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] possible blog topic -- AOO and Linux: a marriage made in heaven! :)
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 03:35:15 -0700 Jose R R jose@metztli.com wrote: Niltze- On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: Le 19/04/2014 01:53, Kay Schenk a écrit : Ok, maybe the subject is bit melodramatic but after some of the twisted things we read about, basically how non-supportive either AOO is of Linux, or Linux is non-supportive of AOO, here's what I'm thinking. 1) We do a blog whose main subject is AOO and Linux and interview some of our Linux volunteers/users (hopefully a nice dstro cross section -- Fedora, Ubuntu. openSUSE, Mint?) and ask them why they're using AOO and how did they find the installation given that it isn't available in their existing repositories. -- or -- 2) We do a Linux centered blog on what support we provide for Linux, what Linux packages AOO provides wtih additional distribution details, and why they're not in repositories for distributions. On the latter point, I'm thinking talk about whose job this is, etc. I think we really should do something a bit more visible on this topic, and hopefully some of the open source press can pick it up. Thoughts? IMHO, most users just take what's provided by default. Unless it is too buggy. So I think that basically, we are back to the question: why AOO is still not available in the standard packages? As long as it is not easily available, users won't bother removing another application to install AOO. Especially if it involves command line (to install but also sometimes to remove the default suite). [..] On an initial Debian installation, if GNOME is selected, it will install LO by default. Accordingly the burden falls on the user to remove LO: $ sudo su $ apt-get purge libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-gtk libreoffice-impress libreoffice-java-common libreoffice-math libreoffice-writer I have no experience with Debian as a distro, only with Debian derivatives such as Ubuntu. As far as I know, it is only necessary to sudo apt-get purge libreoffice-core to remove all libreoffice, before installing OpenOffice. Note, however that, once downloaded, it is not intuitive for a relatively novice (i.e., Ubuntu user) to install ApacheOO since after expanding its *.tar.gz file, there appears a directory: en-US (or whatever the locale selected). The user then must become root (super user) or prefix su to install at /opt/ privileged directory: $ sudo su $ dpkg -i en-US/DEBS/*deb AND then still there is no link for the the user with normal privileges to start up ApacheOO from the normal PATH directory /usr/bin/. And thus root privilege is required again to create the appropriate symlink there; the most simple one (I think) and that would not be overwritten by an subsequent (accidental installation of LO) would be: $ sudo su $ cd /usr/bin $ ln -s /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice apacheeoo $ cd /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice $ ln -s soffice.bin apacheoo.bin The above just creates a symbolic link required due to our use of apacheoo instead of the default soffice/soffice.bin that is used by LO as well. Now the Ubuntu user would have to create executable icons for the ApacheeOO productivity apps to match the default LO that is now removed. On the other hand, those of us who don't care simply start ApacheOO from a shell as a normal user now: $ apacheoo Is it obvious now -- as MS did before by preinstalling its own constrained software and denying users the freedom of choice -- why ApacheOO may be lacking traction on GNU/Linux? Best Professional Regards. -- Jose R R http://www.metztli-it.com - NEW Apache OpenOffice 4.0.1! Download for GNU/Linux, Mac OS, Windows. - Daylight Saving Time in USA Canada ends: Sunday, November 02, 2014 - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice Weekly News #1
Hello Rob, on Monday, April 21, 2014 2:48 PM Rob Weir wrote: The first issue is out and you can find it here: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_weekly_news_1 Remember, this is powered by your submissions. So be sure to add new stories to the wiki, so we have material ready for next week: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?page Id=40508638 I'd love to have content next week related to the users mailing list and/or user forums. A link to an interesting user question, an FAQ, a good tip for users, etc. I have the German translation now also enabled and linked to the two German-speaking mailing lists. Please, can you in the blog-post, supplement under the heading Apache OpenOffice Weekly News # 1: Translations: (en) and (de) as link: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40509525 Thank you. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice Weekly News #1
on Monday, April 21, 2014 3:08 PM Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello Rob, on Monday, April 21, 2014 2:48 PM Rob Weir wrote: The first issue is out and you can find it here: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_weekly_news_1 Remember, this is powered by your submissions. So be sure to add new stories to the wiki, so we have material ready for next week: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?page Id=40508638 I'd love to have content next week related to the users mailing list and/or user forums. A link to an interesting user question, an FAQ, a good tip for users, etc. I have the German translation now also enabled and linked to the two German-speaking mailing lists. Please, can you in the blog-post, supplement under the heading Apache OpenOffice Weekly News # 1: Translations: (en) Sorry, mistake, I meant of course: Translations: (de) Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice Weekly News #1
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: on Monday, April 21, 2014 3:08 PM Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello Rob, on Monday, April 21, 2014 2:48 PM Rob Weir wrote: The first issue is out and you can find it here: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_weekly_news_1 Remember, this is powered by your submissions. So be sure to add new stories to the wiki, so we have material ready for next week: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?page Id=40508638 I'd love to have content next week related to the users mailing list and/or user forums. A link to an interesting user question, an FAQ, a good tip for users, etc. I have the German translation now also enabled and linked to the two German-speaking mailing lists. Please, can you in the blog-post, supplement under the heading Apache OpenOffice Weekly News # 1: Translations: (en) Sorry, mistake, I meant of course: Translations: (de) Like this? https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_weekly_news_1 -Rob Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice Weekly News #1
on Monday, April 21, 2014 3:20 PM Rob Weir wrote: Like this? https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_weekly_news_1 Yes, thank you. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New Bug reporters March 2014
On 01/04/2014 Rainer Bielefeld wrote: in March 2014 we have got 47 new AOO Bug reporters, who reported all together 55 bugs: This kind of information is very useful and nice to see. I believe it's a nice trade-off between valuing individual merits and not insisting on the competition that would inevitably penalize newcomers. Well, good material for one of the next Weekly News if we continue the tradition! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Forum] Default preference to be changed ASAP (mail notification)
Hi Andrea, I can't thank you enough! I confirm all new accounts have the correct setting now. Hagar Le 21/04/2014 00:01, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : On 30/03/2014 Hagar Delest wrote: Andrea commented the JIRA ticket and a patch will be added. Thanks! It's still a failure since it took way too long, but the patch is now online: the default mail notification preference on the forum is set to ON as requested some dozens times by Hagar and others. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Forum] Default preference to be changed ASAP (mail notification)
Well, another question... Is it possible to run the query so that it is applied again on old accounts? TIA! Hagar Le 21/04/2014 19:26, Hagar Delest a écrit : Hi Andrea, I can't thank you enough! I confirm all new accounts have the correct setting now. Hagar Le 21/04/2014 00:01, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : On 30/03/2014 Hagar Delest wrote: Andrea commented the JIRA ticket and a patch will be added. Thanks! It's still a failure since it took way too long, but the patch is now online: the default mail notification preference on the forum is set to ON as requested some dozens times by Hagar and others. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] possible blog topic -- AOO and Linux: a marriage made in heaven! :)
Le 20/04/2014 20:53, Louis Suárez-Potts a écrit : But I believe that, however loudly we hear the cry of community, what really determines things for Ubuntu and Fedora is what the sponsoring corporation wants and thinks is in its best interests, or at least those of its financial backers. Well, yes and no I would think. Yes, best interests of companies linked to distros are at stake. But no, I don't think that is what drove distros to select LibO. My understanding is that LibO team managed to convince distros that AOO would be soon dead. Remember that it was just after the donation from Oracle to ASF. Then followed almost a year of silent work for AOO. I mean very few communication was made whereas LibO released several versions. The lack of visibility was enough I think to convince distros that LibO was the best bet. But the job now is to convince distros that it's not anymore the case. It does not mean that AOO should claim to be default suite again. But there should be a FAIR choice given to the user. It's like the IE ballot on Windows: remember the screen proposing different web browsers to avoid monopolistic installation of IE? There are several free suites, since they are rather heavy (MB point of view), we can't just install 1 component (the word processor, the much used application) of each suite so that the user choose by himself. But why not propose the distros not to install anything by default and then give users a kind of ballot screen for selecting the suite? It would spare some room for the installer BTW. Mobile devices show nowadays that users won't care using command line to install something, they want an application to install easily, that's all. As long as the default application is locked by creating problems for removal, competition is biased. So back to the distros best interests, if it means better user focus/UX, then it may interest them. Hagar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [INFO] Bugzilla process
On Mon, Apr 21, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 29/03/2014 Tal Daniel wrote: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/HowToFileIssue ... (1) What happens NOW, after a bug is created? -- Does someone review it and assign it, or should the reporter notify a mailing list, next to promote it? Do BugZilla Admins review the bugs? The Issues mailing list, see http://openoffice.apache.org/ mailing-lists.html is notified. No humans post directly to that list, it's only used to collect notifications from Bugzilla. Developers routinely scan it. Bugzilla admins probably watch the notifications too, but this is not their role. (2) What happens if the reporter feels no one read or did anything with his bug report? (it happened to me a few times) Usually it's a matter of having patience, but you can ping the dev list if you feel that something should be done before the next release or is being neglected. I'd recommend extend the above mentioned paragraph with this info, and overview the process earlier within the Wiki page. I'll edit the wiki page, according to info I'll receive. Feel free to add this information there. Thanks for in info, Andrea. I've added this info in the wiki page, and hopefully, users will feel more confident that someone will notice their issue, after they've created it. See https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/HowToFileIssue#Reporting_a_New_Bug
Re: Adding from SourceForge to download page
On 16/04/2014 Rob Weir wrote: The more we load up the page with text and links, trying to be helpful, the more users will be overwhelmed and doubt themselves. OK, so the minimal change would be to change the text into Click here to download (from sourceforge.net) for: This would have some informative value, since for example people who expect to download via right-click may understand that they need an extra click to do so. No need to link the sourceforge.net text to sourceforge.net, it's merely informative. I didn't change http://www.openoffice.org/download/ since I'm not really sure that I'll do it right. But the CMS is back, so whoever is more familiar with particular page can make and publish the change any time. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Anything we can do about premature redistribution?
On 19/04/2014 Roberto Galoppini wrote: Our aim I believe it's to expand our userbase, redirecting them to an openoffice page explaining which are the options might be a good thing. We can reuse, and possibly reword, this page then: http://www.openoffice.org/download/devbuilds.html This is where people trying to download a yet unapproved RC would land, so the content, disclaimers and links seem quite appropriate. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Adding from SourceForge to download page
Am 04/21/2014 11:34 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 16/04/2014 Rob Weir wrote: The more we load up the page with text and links, trying to be helpful, the more users will be overwhelmed and doubt themselves. OK, so the minimal change would be to change the text into Click here to download (from sourceforge.net) for: This would have some informative value, since for example people who expect to download via right-click may understand that they need an extra click to do so. No need to link the sourceforge.net text to sourceforge.net, it's merely informative. I didn't change http://www.openoffice.org/download/ since I'm not really sure that I'll do it right. But the CMS is back, so whoever is more familiar with particular page can make and publish the change any time. I'll take care and put this online as soon as the first re-build update is finished and save to expect a build after committing. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] possible blog topic -- AOO and Linux: a marriage made in heaven! :)
On April 21, 2014 4:04:30 AM PDT, Detlef Nannen wrote: May be it is possible to serve a AOO-Package including a Startscript. Looking for the needed Version, asking for permission and running all this for a easy Installation. A Job for specialists, but possible? +1 I don't remember the program, but the Ubuntu PPA is nothing more than a shell script, which downloads the current version of the software, and installs everything in the correct place, with the appropriate desktop icons. This script does not need to be changed when the program is updated. It also gives users the option of selecting the current stable version, the bleeding edge version, or the previous stable version. (The developer removed the ability to install the daily build, on the grounds that people who need this script, should not do any type of testing.) Other distro PPAs have a similar install/update script for that software. jonathon -- Your documents, your language, your way. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice - wöchentliche Neuigkeiten (21.04.2014)
Hallo Mathias, on Monday, April 21, 2014 4:21 PM Mathias Röllig wrote: Es wäre gut, wenn jeder Neuigkeitseintrag eingeleitet würde Original: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_weekly_news_1 ich werde aufs Original linken Übertragung ins Deutsche von Jörg Schmidt. mir reicht das das wiki-System meinen Namen automatisch nennt Damit wäre dem unbedarften Leser erklärt, warum deutsche Neuigkeiten auf nahezu ausschließlich englischsprachige Artikel verweisen. Dabei muß es nicht bleiben, und soll es, soweit es meine Meinung betrifft auch nicht. Ich hatte bereits aktuelll überlegt was man an Nachrichten aus dem deutschsprachigem Raum ergänzen kann, nur die Messe wo Detlef jüngst war schien mir zu weit zurückliegend, ebenso das was Michael berichtete und mehr wusste ich aktuell nicht. War halt meinerseits alles recht spontan gemacht mit der Übersetzung und nicht länger vorbereitet. Auch wenn es im Original nicht so ist (vielleicht wird die Anregung ja auch dort übernommen): Würdest Du hinter Links, die nicht auf Internetseiten (HTML) verweisen, den Dokumenttyp angeben? • Übersetzer und Entwickler […] (PDF) Vielleicht nicht den Text sondern nur den Dokumenttyp als Link? Ich finde, es ist mittlerweile zu einer unhöflichen (Un)Sitte geworden, (PDF-)Downloads ohne irgendeinen Hinweis zu verlinken. Der Verweis des Heartbleed Bugs sollte unbedingt den Quellenhinweis enthalten. Entweder in Klammern dahinter (heise.de) oder wie sehr verbreiten auf eine Fußnote verlinken und dort erst auf den Artikel mit Quellenhinweis verweisen. Ich fand die Idee von Rob gut und wollte sie deshalb unterstützen, muss aber dringend darauf achten darin nicht zu viel Zeit zu investieren denn die habe ich nicht (ich arbeite bereits wöchenlich 15-20 Stunden ehrenamtlich für Forum, PrOOo-Box und Projekt). Jeder kann sich im Wiki anmelden und schnell selbst Korrekuren machen, Mechthilde hats schon getan, danke dafür. Hinweis: Vielleicht hat ja sogar jemand Lust diese Arbeit dauerhaft zu übernehmen, denn mir liegt das garnicht so sehr als das ich es selbst machen will, ich fand nur das man Rob unterstützen sollte damit das nicht versandet, denn es trägt auch regelmäßig aktuelle Infos nach außerhalb des Projekts (*). Eingentlich eine mögliche Aufgabe für einen Einsteiger, denn es ist (Sprachkenntnisse vorausgesetzt) nicht sehr schwer und vom Umfang überschaubar (ich schätze 2 Stunden pro Woche). (*) ich möchte zukünftig auch die News auf der Startseite linken, nur derzeitig läuft das CNS nicht richtig, so das ich die Seite nicht anpassen konnte Die letzten beiden leeren Überschriften sind sicherlich versehentlich aus der Vorlage dringeblieben? Das war ehrlich gesagt Absicht(*), weil ich annehme (ich habe das aber nicht mit Rob abgesprochen) das es eine feste inhaltliche Struktur geben wird (nach einigem Probieren in den ersten Wochen), aber ich kann diese 'leeren' Überschriften auch weglassen. (*) Z.B. weil _ich_ bei der Überschrift Neue Committer und PMC-Mitglieder dachte, wäre dort kein Text wäre das automatisch die Bestätigung das es, in der betreffenden Woche, keine Neuzugänge gab, ich sehe aber Rob hat das weggelassen so das ich das auch streichen werde. Gruß Jörg projektinterne Diskussionen der deutschsprachigen AOO-Community To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org
