Re: cleaning up our sourceforge top-level directory
2014-05-27 21:25 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org: Herbert Duerr wrote: The localized and stable folders only provide the old 3.2.x, 3.3.0 and 3.4.x releases, so getting more than 28000 weekly downloads there is an alarming signal. This could be our fault too. It seems that localized is mainly used to serve these languages (using numbers from http://sourceforge.net/ projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/localized/ ): pl 9500 nb 3400 da 2700 es 2100 For Danish, the problem is surely coming from ourselves: we are not listing 4.1.0 at http://www.openoffice.org/da/ (discussed at http://markmail.org/message/ibhey3f7jt6b7db2 , I'll fix it now so we can see if the number decreases). For other languages, we should check our own site first! I'd like to clean up the localized, stable, extended, contrib and packages top-level directories by either - removing them altogether - recreate a 3.4.1 folder and remove the others - recreate a 3.4.1 and an old-OOo folder and remove the others Breaking existing links is very bad. If people are getting these files, we can't just remove them. I'd rather work on the causes (let's see what Danish looks like in one week) and we can add a README.txt or something if you believe people are browsing the SourceForge file tree and getting lost; but files are there, they are being heavily downloaded and removing there immediately would simply cause confusion. Excellent analysis, and I totally agree on conclusions. I have a couple of things to add: 1. we are open to investigate end-users' patterns if that helps, let me know if any file in particular worth that 2. we might use symlinks if we end up by figuring out that some behaviours are 'wrong' (e.g. referrals) or just the result of people looking for 'stable' versions PS if we go with symlinks note that it will affect downloads stats for those specifics files Roberto Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question for the Open Office for Android and blind users?
Hello Marco, I don't know but I expect that it is not yet fully supported. The Android port of OpenOffice is somewhat independent of the main project. We would like to work closer with the people who are behind this port to support them where we can and to push this version forward. I hope they will see the benefit of a closer collaboration and will work together with us in the future. I suggest that you ask the people behind the Android version for more details how well or if at all they support TalkBack. From the AOO project perspective they are welcome to collaborate more closely with us. Juergen On 27/05/14 16:43, Marco Retzlaff wrote: Hello, i think, that my question isn't right here, but this is the best place I think. Is the Android Version of Open Office fully compatible with TalkBack (The Screen Reader for blind users in Android)? I'm blind myself and this is a very important question for all blind users. If not, will this get implemented in future? Thanks for your help! Best Regards Marco --- Diese E-Mail ist frei von Viren und Malware, denn der avast! Antivirus Schutz ist aktiv. http://www.avast.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: cleaning up our sourceforge top-level directory
On 27.05.2014 20:58, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/27/2014 05:46 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: We still allow for downloads of legacy OOo, so it would probably be better to move the older versions to something like our current structure -- your second option above? +1 And, should the older packages, if it applies only to 3.3, also have its own area? Maybe someone still wants/needs these. Then they should look for them in the ASF archive. This should be the only location for very old release builds. The ASF archive does not contain older OOo builds such as 3.2.1 or 3.3. These artifacts were not released under the ASF umbrella so they are neither archived in http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/ nor in http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/ Ancient OOo releases are still available in the archive mirror network though. Please see http://www.openoffice.org/download/archive.html for links. Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: cleaning up our sourceforge top-level directory
On 27/05/14 21:25, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Herbert Duerr wrote: The localized and stable folders only provide the old 3.2.x, 3.3.0 and 3.4.x releases, so getting more than 28000 weekly downloads there is an alarming signal. This could be our fault too. It seems that localized is mainly used to serve these languages (using numbers from http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/localized/ ): pl 9500 nb 3400 da 2700 es 2100 For Danish, the problem is surely coming from ourselves: we are not listing 4.1.0 at http://www.openoffice.org/da/ (discussed at http://markmail.org/message/ibhey3f7jt6b7db2 , I'll fix it now so we can see if the number decreases). For other languages, we should check our own site first! Again a further example why unified pages with the same content are a good idea. Download links (wherever) should be generated out of one resource. And do we really need direct download links on localized pages? I believe not, we see the problem here. I know some people prefer direct links on their localized page but I think it doesn't scale and better is to redirect users to the official download page where normally the most recent version and language is downloaded automatically. And even the download page can be translated but the download logic should be always the same. Everything else is error prone and often unmaintained over time. Juergen I'd like to clean up the localized, stable, extended, contrib and packages top-level directories by either - removing them altogether - recreate a 3.4.1 folder and remove the others - recreate a 3.4.1 and an old-OOo folder and remove the others Breaking existing links is very bad. If people are getting these files, we can't just remove them. I'd rather work on the causes (let's see what Danish looks like in one week) and we can add a README.txt or something if you believe people are browsing the SourceForge file tree and getting lost; but files are there, they are being heavily downloaded and removing there immediately would simply cause confusion. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: cleaning up our sourceforge top-level directory
Herbert Duerr wrote: the five files - localized/pl/3.4.1/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_Win_x86_install_pl.exe - localized/es/3.4.1/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_Win_x86_install_es.exe - localized/nb/3.4.1/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_Win_x86_install_nb.exe - localized/nb/3.3.0/OOo_3.3.0_Win_x86_install-wJRE_nb.exe already cover more than half of the downloads in question, so knowing e.g. their referrer-headers would an interesting data point. After the recent fixes in http://www.openoffice.org/da/ [3.4.1 da - 4.1.0 da] http://www.openoffice.org/no/ [3.4.1 nb and 3.3.0 nb - 4.1.0 nb] http://www.openoffice.org/pl/ [3.4.1 pl - 4.1.0 pl] I'm confident that those are probably fixed without needing further information, we simply had outdated links on our own website (and yes, Juergen, we will need to make it easier to maintain!). This can be rechecked in a few days anyway. The only one I cannot find is 3.4.1 es: http://www.openoffice.org/es/ looks correct. It was very useful to have this data. One third of Polish downloads, for example, were for the 3.4.1 version (so, I assume, these people started from the outdated pl site and downloaded from there, while the other two-thirds downloaded from the English site and thus got 4.1.0). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
wiki problem with API page
Hi, does anybody have an idea what happened with the API page in the wiki, it seems to be empty but it isn't. I have no idea and was wondering while searching for some other stuff ... https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/API Any hints or help is welcome Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: wiki problem with API page
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: does anybody have an idea what happened with the API page in the wiki, it seems to be empty but it isn't. I have no idea and was wondering while searching for some other stuff ... https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/API That page triggered an error in an extension. It's related to a deprecated logging function, so I commented it out for the time being. It works now, but a proper fix will need to wait tonight, when I'll have time to look better at it. Any hints or help is welcome It is server-related. You have access to the virtual machine too. You'll find details in the error log if you wish, but it's safe to wait until tonight. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: wiki problem with API page
Hi Jürgen, Jürgen Schmidt schrieb: Hi, does anybody have an idea what happened with the API page in the wiki, it seems to be empty but it isn't. I have no idea and was wondering while searching for some other stuff ... https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/API Any hints or help is welcome I see nothing special with that site, all looks as it should be. I use Seamonkey. Have you tried to empty browser cache and load it then? Have you tried a different browser? Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: wiki problem with API page
On 28/05/14 15:51, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: does anybody have an idea what happened with the API page in the wiki, it seems to be empty but it isn't. I have no idea and was wondering while searching for some other stuff ... https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/API That page triggered an error in an extension. It's related to a deprecated logging function, so I commented it out for the time being. It works now, but a proper fix will need to wait tonight, when I'll have time to look better at it. Any hints or help is welcome It is server-related. You have access to the virtual machine too. You'll find details in the error log if you wish, but it's safe to wait until tonight. thanks for the fast response and quick solution Juergen Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: weekly news or monthly news ?
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, we see that unfortunately the weekly news [1] are been some time no longer published. I am worried that the good approach of weekly news thereby is lost and the weekly news disappear. Would it not be a better way to accept it not enough new going on every week and therefore publish the same monthly news, _but that really consistent_? We lost the cadence when the email and blog was down at the beginning of the month. I haven't seen many new contributions of sotries since then either. Maybe just call it Apache OpenOffice News, with no specific time interval in the title, and publish whenever we have a reasonable number of stories to report. Regards, -Rob Greetings, Jörg [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40508638 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Fwd: ApacheCon EU call for papers
Hi. I dont know if anybody have thought of ApacheConEU in budapest. I for one would love to hear some AOO presentations. This is the best chance, to make other committers interested in our project, and of course also other projects in using AOO. hope to see you all in budapest. rgds jan I. -- Forwarded message -- From: Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com Date: 28 May 2014 18:12 Subject: ApacheCon EU call for papers To: p...@apache.org A reminder, now that we're in the final weeks, that the ApacheCon EU call for papers is open, and will close June 25th, end of the day in whatever timezone is latest. http://events.linuxfoundation.org//events/apachecon-europe/program/cfp Please get the word out to your dev@ and users@ mailing lists that we are looking for presentations for this event, and, if possible, reach out personally to the people that you think should be representing your project at ApacheCon this year. Remember, if you want your project represented at ApacheCon, it's up to you to hunt down those presentations. If you want to have a full track, or a half track, or even multiple days, please work with your experts to craft a track that covers the right aspects and expertise levels of your project and related projects. Thanks for anything you can to do help get the word out about the CFP, so that we can have the best ApacheCon content yet. -- Rich, conference chair http://apachecon.eu @apachecon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: private-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: private-h...@labs.apache.org
Re: weekly news or monthly news ?
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, we see that unfortunately the weekly news [1] are been some time no longer published. I am worried that the good approach of weekly news thereby is lost and the weekly news disappear. Would it not be a better way to accept it not enough new going on every week and therefore publish the same monthly news, _but that really consistent_? We lost the cadence when the email and blog was down at the beginning of the month. I haven't seen many new contributions of sotries since then either. Maybe just call it Apache OpenOffice News, with no specific time interval in the title, and publish whenever we have a reasonable number of stories to report. Regards, -Rob This would be fine. But, if we go this direction, it would be nice to find a way to integrate/synchronize this new approach with existing news items on the home page of the website. I don't have any ideas on this, by the way -- just an observation. Greetings, Jörg [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40508638 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Even a happy life cannot be without a measure of darkness, and the word happy would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by sadness. It is far better (to) take things as they come along with patience and equanimity. -- Carl Jung
Re: weekly news or monthly news ?
On 28 May 2014 19:03, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, we see that unfortunately the weekly news [1] are been some time no longer published. I am worried that the good approach of weekly news thereby is lost and the weekly news disappear. Would it not be a better way to accept it not enough new going on every week and therefore publish the same monthly news, _but that really consistent_? We lost the cadence when the email and blog was down at the beginning of the month. I haven't seen many new contributions of sotries since then either. Maybe just call it Apache OpenOffice News, with no specific time interval in the title, and publish whenever we have a reasonable number of stories to report. Regards, -Rob This would be fine. But, if we go this direction, it would be nice to find a way to integrate/synchronize this new approach with existing news items on the home page of the website. I don't have any ideas on this, by the way -- just an observation. Publishing whenever there are stories, sound logical, but on the other hand, that sounds like our blog to me. How many places do we want to have for publishing stories ? I would prefer less places, that then as a consequence had more activity. just my 2ct. rgds jan I. Greetings, Jörg [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40508638 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Even a happy life cannot be without a measure of darkness, and the word happy would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by sadness. It is far better (to) take things as they come along with patience and equanimity. -- Carl Jung
Re: cleaning up our sourceforge top-level directory
2014-05-28 13:46 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org: Herbert Duerr wrote: the five files - localized/pl/3.4.1/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_ Win_x86_install_pl.exe - localized/es/3.4.1/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_ Win_x86_install_es.exe - localized/nb/3.4.1/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_ Win_x86_install_nb.exe - localized/nb/3.3.0/OOo_3.3.0_Win_x86_install-wJRE_nb.exe already cover more than half of the downloads in question, so knowing e.g. their referrer-headers would an interesting data point. After the recent fixes in http://www.openoffice.org/da/ [3.4.1 da - 4.1.0 da] http://www.openoffice.org/no/ [3.4.1 nb and 3.3.0 nb - 4.1.0 nb] http://www.openoffice.org/pl/ [3.4.1 pl - 4.1.0 pl] I'm confident that those are probably fixed without needing further information, we simply had outdated links on our own website (and yes, Juergen, we will need to make it easier to maintain!). This can be rechecked in a few days anyway. The only one I cannot find is 3.4.1 es: http://www.openoffice.org/es/looks correct. 7.5k referrals in the last 10 months are coming from es.kioskea.net http://es.kioskea.net/download/descargar-10-openoffice. Guess this should explain why that. Does anyone know them? Roberto It was very useful to have this data. One third of Polish downloads, for example, were for the 3.4.1 version (so, I assume, these people started from the outdated pl site and downloaded from there, while the other two-thirds downloaded from the English site and thus got 4.1.0). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
