Re: Does OpenOffice still use Serf?

2018-11-13 Thread Peter kovacs
How about trying to open an URL as a test case?

Is serf moving away from SCONs? I ask since we want to move to SCONs. An 
experience exchange would be great.

All the best
Peter


Am 13. November 2018 22:43:03 MEZ schrieb Matthias Seidel 
:
>Hi Andrea,
>
>Am 13.11.18 um 22:23 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> I think it would be a good idea to upgrade Serf in our builds.
>>> What about the others (real developers)? ;-)
>>
>> Years ago, we had to avoid upgrading Serf in 4.1.x as Serf had
>started
>> to require SCons for the build and we didn't want to introduce yet
>> another build system since we already had too many.
>>
>> I see it still requires SCons, but probably we've included support
>for
>> SCons in trunk in the meantime, so... well, we decided we can live
>> with yet another build system! Still, I doubt we can use it for 4.1.x
>> as SCons integration would be needed and I don't think we support it
>> in 4.1.x.
>
>I forgot to mention that I indeed build with trunk. And the build is
>still going on, so anything can happen... ;-)
>
>I will keep you updated!
>
>Regards,
>
>   Matthias
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
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Re: starting 4.1.7 and 4.2.0 Releases

2018-11-13 Thread Marcus

Am 13.11.18 um 00:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 13.11.18 um 00:48 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Peter Kovacs wrote:

I do not see your issue. Our release team works much faster then the dev
team progresses on 4.2.0.


There is a major difference between a 4.1.x and a new release like
4.2.0: for 4.2.0 we need the entire community, not only what you call
the "release team" and developers (read: localization efforts,
organized QA efforts, a possible public beta, a baseline update...).
If you believe that 4.2.0 is only for developers you are
underestimating the task.


A 4.1.7 will keep the routine and knowledge active while we develop
4.2.0.


We have many millions of users. We must provide some value with a
release. This meant waiting 11 months (and counting) between 4.1.5 and
4.1.6; if 4.1.6 has no major regressions, we can surely wait some
months before considering a 4.1.7 (again, in a non-emergency situation).

But I would really like that we stop talking about this virtual 4.1.7
release and actually release 4.1.6 for real.


Peter wanted to move the Release from the dev to the release area soon.

I have already created a staged directory at SourceForge, so we can
upload the binaries there.
After that I think Marcus can test his new scripts for the download
(test) page?


sure, when the files are available I would like to test it.


And as discussed before, we should simply copy the Release Notes from
4.1.5 and update them for 4.1.6.


If nobody else is volunteering I can do it.

Marcus


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Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: starting 4.1.7 and 4.2.0 Releases

2018-11-13 Thread Marcus

Am 13.11.18 um 08:04 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Release is now in the svn branch.

I remove tonight the 4.1.5 release, any objections?

So how much time do we need? is release date 16th November feasable?


if there is no good reason against it, I would move this always to the 
weekend, as I think the most people can spend more time for a release 
than within the week with 1-2 hours in the evening.


So, Saturday (btw, which time?) would fit better - at least for me for 
the download website.


Marcus




On 13.11.18 01:30, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Andrea,

I am just saying a 4.1.7 release has nothing to do with the efforts we
have to organize for 4.2.0.

I hope I upload now into the right place, but I have initiated the task.

All the best

Peter

On 13.11.18 00:48, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Peter Kovacs wrote:

I do not see your issue. Our release team works much faster then the dev
team progresses on 4.2.0.

There is a major difference between a 4.1.x and a new release like
4.2.0: for 4.2.0 we need the entire community, not only what you call
the "release team" and developers (read: localization efforts,
organized QA efforts, a possible public beta, a baseline update...).
If you believe that 4.2.0 is only for developers you are
underestimating the task.


A 4.1.7 will keep the routine and knowledge active while we develop
4.2.0.

We have many millions of users. We must provide some value with a
release. This meant waiting 11 months (and counting) between 4.1.5 and
4.1.6; if 4.1.6 has no major regressions, we can surely wait some
months before considering a 4.1.7 (again, in a non-emergency situation).

But I would really like that we stop talking about this virtual 4.1.7
release and actually release 4.1.6 for real.



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Re: Linux icon changes in 4.1.6

2018-11-13 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Andrea,

Am 13.11.18 um 21:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> This is not necessarily a bug, but I'd like to check on this: on
> Linux-64 (I haven't tried on other systems), if you are editing a file
> in Writer you'll get two different toolbar icons in 4.1.5 and 4.1.6.

Which desktop environment do you use?

Linux has so many different ones and on Ubuntu 18.04 (Gnome) it looks
like this [1]. The main icon is the Orb and all applications are grouped
under it.

>
> Comparison screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/wtNhT9k
>
> In short:
> - 4.1.5 (left): the Writer icon is shown
> - 4.1.6 (right): the generic ("orb") icon is shown

This is not caused by the icon change itself but by an additional entry
in the startcenter.desktop file.

"StartupWMClass=OpenOffice 4.1.6"

If you remove it you get the "old" behavior (but also a blurry icon when
doing Alt-Tab).

>
> Was this done on purpose? I believe the old ones are more informative,
> as it usually happens to have, say, a Writer and a Calc document open
> at the same time.

Somehow on purpose, as it looked OK on all systems I could test...

>
> If your system does not come with a bottom toolbar, you will still
> notice the difference in the top toolbar by switching between the two
> instances.
Do you have by any chance something like "icon grouping" enabled?
>
> On the other hand, the new high-resolution icons look really nice, as
> I already noted.

I would only call them higher resolution icons... ;-)

Regards,

   Matthias

[1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/Ubuntu%2018.04_AOO.png

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Re: Does OpenOffice still use Serf?

2018-11-13 Thread Pedro Lino


> On November 13, 2018 at 10:08 PM Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> 2. All WebDAV operations. You can find somewhere in Bugzilla a patch 
> that didn't make it to 4.1.2 due to excessive complexity (build 
> requirements). The Serf upgrade was meant to supplement WebDAV fixes in 
> 4.1.2.
> 
> So you might want to focus testing on these two scenarios (the second 
> one will probably be tricky).

I can help with testing this feature. I use AOO for editing files on a webdav 
folder.
I use Windows 7 Pro, Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 (all x64)
Let me know when the builds are ready ;)

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Pedro

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Re: Does OpenOffice still use Serf?

2018-11-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

I forgot to mention that I indeed build with trunk. And the build is
still going on, so anything can happen... ;-)


The current lack of time only allows me to contribute with memories from 
the past when I was actually able to do stuff... but if I recall 
correctly there are two important test scenarios where we use Serf:


1. Update checks for OpenOffice and extensions.

2. All WebDAV operations. You can find somewhere in Bugzilla a patch 
that didn't make it to 4.1.2 due to excessive complexity (build 
requirements). The Serf upgrade was meant to supplement WebDAV fixes in 
4.1.2.


So you might want to focus testing on these two scenarios (the second 
one will probably be tricky).


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Re: Linux icon changes in 4.1.6

2018-11-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Hagar Delest wrote:
Are you talking about the desktop panel? I use Xubuntu (18.10 on 64bit) 
and I do see the Writer/Calc/... icons, not the orb.


I see the difference more or less in every context where an icon is 
associated with the window in GNOME (so Xubuntu may be different).


So for example:
- in the bottom bar listing open windows (if you have it)
- in the top bar next to the title of the active window
- in the Alt-Tab dialog to switch windows see 
https://imgur.com/a/EM3yTpU where both 4.1.6 and 4.1.5 were open on an 
empty Writer document.


This is not a bug, even though one might want to mention it in the 
Release Notes as a minor UI change.


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Re: Does OpenOffice still use Serf?

2018-11-13 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Andrea,

Am 13.11.18 um 22:23 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> I think it would be a good idea to upgrade Serf in our builds.
>> What about the others (real developers)? ;-)
>
> Years ago, we had to avoid upgrading Serf in 4.1.x as Serf had started
> to require SCons for the build and we didn't want to introduce yet
> another build system since we already had too many.
>
> I see it still requires SCons, but probably we've included support for
> SCons in trunk in the meantime, so... well, we decided we can live
> with yet another build system! Still, I doubt we can use it for 4.1.x
> as SCons integration would be needed and I don't think we support it
> in 4.1.x.

I forgot to mention that I indeed build with trunk. And the build is
still going on, so anything can happen... ;-)

I will keep you updated!

Regards,

   Matthias

>
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Re: Does OpenOffice still use Serf?

2018-11-13 Thread Branko Čibej
On 13.11.2018 22:23, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> I think it would be a good idea to upgrade Serf in our builds.
>> What about the others (real developers)? ;-)
>
> Years ago, we had to avoid upgrading Serf in 4.1.x as Serf had started
> to require SCons for the build and we didn't want to introduce yet
> another build system since we already had too many.

I can surely relate to that ...

> I see it still requires SCons,

The 1.3.x branch does, but for 1.4.x and trunk, you can use CMake for
most purposes. The CMake build currently doesn't support GSSAPI and
BROTLI compression, but other than that it is (in my not so humble
opinion) superior to the SCons build.

> but probably we've included support for SCons in trunk in the
> meantime, so... well, we decided we can live with yet another build
> system! Still, I doubt we can use it for 4.1.x as SCons integration
> would be needed and I don't think we support it in 4.1.x.

That's OK, any kind of testing, even with OO trunk, would be welcome.
The only other Serf consumer I can test is Subversion, adding even one
more would make out real-life testing increase by 100%. :)

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Re: Linux icon changes in 4.1.6

2018-11-13 Thread Hagar Delest

Le 13/11/2018 à 21:54, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

This is not necessarily a bug, but I'd like to check on this: on Linux-64 (I 
haven't tried on other systems), if you are editing a file in Writer you'll get 
two different toolbar icons in 4.1.5 and 4.1.6.

Comparison screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/wtNhT9k

In short:
- 4.1.5 (left): the Writer icon is shown
- 4.1.6 (right): the generic ("orb") icon is shown

Was this done on purpose? I believe the old ones are more informative, as it 
usually happens to have, say, a Writer and a Calc document open at the same 
time.

If your system does not come with a bottom toolbar, you will still notice the 
difference in the top toolbar by switching between the two instances.

On the other hand, the new high-resolution icons look really nice, as I already 
noted.

Regards,
  Andrea.


Are you talking about the desktop panel? I use Xubuntu (18.10 on 64bit) and I 
do see the Writer/Calc/... icons, not the orb.

Hagar

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Re: Does OpenOffice still use Serf?

2018-11-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

I think it would be a good idea to upgrade Serf in our builds.
What about the others (real developers)? ;-)


Years ago, we had to avoid upgrading Serf in 4.1.x as Serf had started 
to require SCons for the build and we didn't want to introduce yet 
another build system since we already had too many.


I see it still requires SCons, but probably we've included support for 
SCons in trunk in the meantime, so... well, we decided we can live with 
yet another build system! Still, I doubt we can use it for 4.1.x as 
SCons integration would be needed and I don't think we support it in 4.1.x.


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Re: Does OpenOffice still use Serf?

2018-11-13 Thread Branko Čibej
On 13.11.2018 21:49, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Branko, Hi all,
>
> Am 13.11.18 um 12:39 schrieb Branko Čibej:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm writing here because I believe OpenOffice uses Serf as its HTTP
>> client; at least I did find version 1.2.1 mentioned in the patch files
>> in ext_libraries/serf.
> It is even mentioned on your project page. ;-)

Yes, and in our Board reports, one of which I posted today ... and that
made me wonder and eventually write a mail to this list. :)


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Linux icon changes in 4.1.6

2018-11-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti
This is not necessarily a bug, but I'd like to check on this: on 
Linux-64 (I haven't tried on other systems), if you are editing a file 
in Writer you'll get two different toolbar icons in 4.1.5 and 4.1.6.


Comparison screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/wtNhT9k

In short:
- 4.1.5 (left): the Writer icon is shown
- 4.1.6 (right): the generic ("orb") icon is shown

Was this done on purpose? I believe the old ones are more informative, 
as it usually happens to have, say, a Writer and a Calc document open at 
the same time.


If your system does not come with a bottom toolbar, you will still 
notice the difference in the top toolbar by switching between the two 
instances.


On the other hand, the new high-resolution icons look really nice, as I 
already noted.


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  Andrea.

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Re: Does OpenOffice still use Serf?

2018-11-13 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Branko, Hi all,

Am 13.11.18 um 12:39 schrieb Branko Čibej:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm writing here because I believe OpenOffice uses Serf as its HTTP
> client; at least I did find version 1.2.1 mentioned in the patch files
> in ext_libraries/serf.

It is even mentioned on your project page. ;-)

> I would like to ask for help from the OpenOffice developers to test the
> next release of Serf. We — the Apache Serf project — are in the (very
> slow) process of finally releasing Serf version 1.4.0, and it would be
> helpful if we could get some feedback from testing it.

I would not call me a developer, but I just started a build of
OpenOffice on Windows with Serf 1.3.9 (instead of 1.2.1).

So far no problems. But I don't know where it is used and what to look
for...

> This version should be source-compatible with 1.2.1, but the build
> system has been completely changed since then; the supported build uses
> scons but there's also a fairly complete CMake build. Major improvements
> include support for HTTP/2, FCGI, CRL, OCSP stapling and OCSP requests,
> OpenSSL 1.1.x and and of course a large number of bug fixes. For
> details, see: https://s.apache.org/9259
>
> If you're able and willing to help, please respond here, or post to
> .

I think it would be a good idea to upgrade Serf in our builds.

What about the others (real developers)? ;-)

Regards,

   Matthias

> Thanks!
>
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Re: starting 4.1.7 and 4.2.0 Releases

2018-11-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Peter Kovacs wrote:

I am just saying a 4.1.7 release has nothing to do with the efforts we
have to organize for 4.2.0.


OK, got it! Let's work together on finishing 4.1.6 and then we will have 
plenty of time for discussing about the next releases.


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Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: starting 4.1.7 and 4.2.0 Releases

2018-11-13 Thread Marcus

Am 13.11.18 um 08:39 schrieb Matthias Seidel:


Am 13.11.18 um 08:04 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Release is now in the svn branch.

I remove tonight the 4.1.5 release, any objections?


If you speak of

https://www.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.5/

our project page [1] still points to it, so please wait until the page
is updated after the final release...


+1

In general, it would be good to have a working release at hand in case 
something is wrong with the new one and we need to do a (kind of) rollback.


Marcus




[1] https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html



So how much time do we need? is release date 16th November feasable?

On 13.11.18 01:30, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Andrea,

I am just saying a 4.1.7 release has nothing to do with the efforts we
have to organize for 4.2.0.

I hope I upload now into the right place, but I have initiated the task.

All the best

Peter

On 13.11.18 00:48, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Peter Kovacs wrote:

I do not see your issue. Our release team works much faster then the dev
team progresses on 4.2.0.

There is a major difference between a 4.1.x and a new release like
4.2.0: for 4.2.0 we need the entire community, not only what you call
the "release team" and developers (read: localization efforts,
organized QA efforts, a possible public beta, a baseline update...).
If you believe that 4.2.0 is only for developers you are
underestimating the task.


A 4.1.7 will keep the routine and knowledge active while we develop
4.2.0.

We have many millions of users. We must provide some value with a
release. This meant waiting 11 months (and counting) between 4.1.5 and
4.1.6; if 4.1.6 has no major regressions, we can surely wait some
months before considering a 4.1.7 (again, in a non-emergency situation).

But I would really like that we stop talking about this virtual 4.1.7
release and actually release 4.1.6 for real.

Regards,
   Andrea.



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Re: Refresh Pootle for Translation 4.2

2018-11-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Mechtilde wrote:

as already wrote, I try to work on translation update.
Now I could get an actual *.sdf file from source code.


Thanks, Mechtilde! Could you please start from my notes at 
https://s.apache.org/Dukc and copy them to a wiki page (or, if you don't 
like wiki, to a text file to be then copied to a wiki page) so that you 
can take advantage of what I already wrote and fix it?



After preparing a build directory there I could start localize successful.


OK, so for example my item 1 from the link above
   ---
1. A full checkout of trunk; I believe some of the tools are built
during the build process, but I'm using a fully built tree anyway.
   ---
should be improved to say that you don't actually need a full build (but 
you still need to initialize the build process).



I could also create *.pot file with oo2po from *.sdf file. There I get
many *.pot files in different directories.


I assume you will be looking at German with more attention, right? I 
recommend to just start with one language, since having all SDF files is 
useless anyway (Pootle has only a selection of languages).


Once we get a few languages working, generalizing won't be hard.


Now I downloaded a *.zip file from Pootle with the previous German
translation. Must I do it for every language manually? How can I do it
effectivly?


I would suggest this: do the same steps as I did for French and 
Portuguese in the discussion above. Let's check if we get to the same 
conclusions, i.e., that Pootle is in a bad state that does not 
correspond to any release.



Then I can look for the next steps.


Please note that, as I wrote, we need to go the opposite direction: from 
Pootle to SDF. But we need to re-learn both flows, so it's really good 
if you repeat all the process from my earlier notes.


So your next major steps would be:
- Exporting German from Pootle (not to Pootle) and build 4.1.6 (not 
4.2.0) based on it
- Understanding the "malformed string" error messages when doing the 
above and their impact on the resulting build; this is where I stopped 
on 31 Dec last year, and I think nobody has done further work ever since.


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Re: do I need 2 disk images of Apache Open Office?

2018-11-13 Thread Larry Gusaas

On 2018-11-13 12:46 a.m., Peter Kovacs wrote:

What is a disk image? OpenOffice is packed as one executable dmg file.



A .dmg file is a disk image.



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Re: do I need 2 disk images of Apache Open Office?

2018-11-13 Thread Larry Gusaas

On 2018-11-12 6:22 p.m., Ron Slayton wrote:

I see in finder on my MacBook Pro that I have 2 disk images on my MacBook. Is 
that normal. years ago when I started using AOO I may have mistakingly loaded 2 
versions, although I'm not sure. If I delete one version for disk space reasons 
is that likely anything negative could happen?


RonS


You do not need any .dmg files providing you properly installed Apache 
OpenOffice.

Check in your Applications folder for OpenOffice.org


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Re: Refresh Pootle for Translation 4.2

2018-11-13 Thread Mechtilde
Hello,

as already wrote, I try to work on translation update.

Now I could get an actual *.sdf file from source code.

After preparing a build directory there I could start localize successful.

I could also create *.pot file with oo2po from *.sdf file. There I get
many *.pot files in different directories.

Now I downloaded a *.zip file from Pootle with the previous German
translation. Must I do it for every language manually? How can I do it
effectivly?

Then I can look for the next steps.

Please help!

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Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: starting 4.1.7 and 4.2.0 Releases

2018-11-13 Thread Peter kovacs
Okay I need to check.
4.1.5 delete as last step, check.

Am 13. November 2018 11:32:20 MEZ schrieb Matthias Seidel 
:
>Hi Peter,
>
>Am 13.11.18 um 08:04 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> Release is now in the svn branch.
>
>There are a lot of languages missing...
>
>https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/openoffice/4.1.6/binaries/
>
>https://www.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.6/binaries/
>
>Regards,
>
>   Matthias
>
>>
>> I remove tonight the 4.1.5 release, any objections?
>>
>> So how much time do we need? is release date 16th November feasable?
>>
>> On 13.11.18 01:30, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>> Andrea,
>>>
>>> I am just saying a 4.1.7 release has nothing to do with the efforts
>we
>>> have to organize for 4.2.0.
>>>
>>> I hope I upload now into the right place, but I have initiated the
>task.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 13.11.18 00:48, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 Peter Kovacs wrote:
> I do not see your issue. Our release team works much faster then
>the dev
> team progresses on 4.2.0.
 There is a major difference between a 4.1.x and a new release like
 4.2.0: for 4.2.0 we need the entire community, not only what you
>call
 the "release team" and developers (read: localization efforts,
 organized QA efforts, a possible public beta, a baseline
>update...).
 If you believe that 4.2.0 is only for developers you are
 underestimating the task.

> A 4.1.7 will keep the routine and knowledge active while we
>develop
> 4.2.0.
 We have many millions of users. We must provide some value with a
 release. This meant waiting 11 months (and counting) between 4.1.5
>and
 4.1.6; if 4.1.6 has no major regressions, we can surely wait some
 months before considering a 4.1.7 (again, in a non-emergency
>situation).

 But I would really like that we stop talking about this virtual
>4.1.7
 release and actually release 4.1.6 for real.

 Regards,
   Andrea.


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Does OpenOffice still use Serf?

2018-11-13 Thread Branko Čibej
Hi all,

I'm writing here because I believe OpenOffice uses Serf as its HTTP
client; at least I did find version 1.2.1 mentioned in the patch files
in ext_libraries/serf.

I would like to ask for help from the OpenOffice developers to test the
next release of Serf. We — the Apache Serf project — are in the (very
slow) process of finally releasing Serf version 1.4.0, and it would be
helpful if we could get some feedback from testing it.

This version should be source-compatible with 1.2.1, but the build
system has been completely changed since then; the supported build uses
scons but there's also a fairly complete CMake build. Major improvements
include support for HTTP/2, FCGI, CRL, OCSP stapling and OCSP requests,
OpenSSL 1.1.x and and of course a large number of bug fixes. For
details, see: https://s.apache.org/9259

If you're able and willing to help, please respond here, or post to
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Thanks!

-- Brane


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Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: starting 4.1.7 and 4.2.0 Releases

2018-11-13 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Peter,

Am 13.11.18 um 08:04 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> Release is now in the svn branch.

There are a lot of languages missing...

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/openoffice/4.1.6/binaries/

https://www.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.6/binaries/

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> I remove tonight the 4.1.5 release, any objections?
>
> So how much time do we need? is release date 16th November feasable?
>
> On 13.11.18 01:30, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> Andrea,
>>
>> I am just saying a 4.1.7 release has nothing to do with the efforts we
>> have to organize for 4.2.0.
>>
>> I hope I upload now into the right place, but I have initiated the task.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 13.11.18 00:48, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>> Peter Kovacs wrote:
 I do not see your issue. Our release team works much faster then the dev
 team progresses on 4.2.0.
>>> There is a major difference between a 4.1.x and a new release like
>>> 4.2.0: for 4.2.0 we need the entire community, not only what you call
>>> the "release team" and developers (read: localization efforts,
>>> organized QA efforts, a possible public beta, a baseline update...).
>>> If you believe that 4.2.0 is only for developers you are
>>> underestimating the task.
>>>
 A 4.1.7 will keep the routine and knowledge active while we develop
 4.2.0.
>>> We have many millions of users. We must provide some value with a
>>> release. This meant waiting 11 months (and counting) between 4.1.5 and
>>> 4.1.6; if 4.1.6 has no major regressions, we can surely wait some
>>> months before considering a 4.1.7 (again, in a non-emergency situation).
>>>
>>> But I would really like that we stop talking about this virtual 4.1.7
>>> release and actually release 4.1.6 for real.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>   Andrea.
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