Re: PMC Chair
On 21/11/2019 Patricia Shanahan wrote: One of the resolutions passed at the last board meeting was: "Change the Apache OpenOffice Project Chair (Jim Jagielski, VP)" Congratulations, Jim! Thank you Peter, and I perfectly understand your reasons for stepping down after spending a second year as Chair. And while at it... let me take the occasion to congratulate in public with Dave Fisher for entering the ASF Board! So it looks like OpenOffice and the ASF at large are going to be more integrated in the next months; this will be a good occasion for filling the small gaps that still exist between OpenOffice and Apache. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: FOSDEM 2020
Hi Sharan, Am 24.11.19 um 16:54 schrieb sharanf: > Hi Matthias > > It's great to hear that you will organise a team for booth. I will add > AOO to the booth list so please add at least one timeslot as I'd > really like to ensure that AOO get some time on the booth. The timeslot is not clear now because Peter wants to join and he also wants to hold a talk at "Open Document Editors" DevRoom. Accepted speakers will be notified by Sunday, December 8th, 2019. I will update the cWiki then. > > You are right and It's true that in the past we had a combined booth > at FOSDEM, and in those days we actually had a larger space (with two > tables I think!) so there was enough space to have a table for AOO > including a demo PC. and also for the ASF in general, where other ASF > projects could also come along and spend time. Understood! My (minor) point was, that it was not only 2016 (as written in cWiki) but also 2017? > > Over the last few of years the booth space has reduced and now they > only allocate one table which is why we need to be fair to all ASF > projects who would like to get some time on the booth. (BTW during the > transition from two tables to one, each time we applied for a FOSDEM > booth for the ASF, we put in a request for an additional table but > were never successful). Yes, FOSDEM is really crowded and they have a hard time to please everyone. This year they introduced tables for a single day, I think? Regards, Matthias > > Thanks > Sharan > > On 2019-11-23 18:56, Matthias Seidel wrote: >> Hi Sharan, >> >> Thanks! We will try to organize a team for AOO. Count me in, but I hope >> for others joining. >> >> One (not very important) notice: >> I don't know about 2016, but my first FOSDEM was in 2017. And in 2017 >> you had a combined booth with OpenOffice. >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >> Am 23.11.19 um 18:35 schrieb Sharan Foga: >>> Hi All >>> >>> I wanted to let you know that a wiki page for FOSDEM has been setup, >>> so if you'd like to book some time on the ASF booth to promote >>> OpenOffice the link is below. >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2020 >>> >>> We are planning for slots of 3-4 hours depending on how many other >>> projects sign up, so please feel free to add the dates and times >>> that you'd like. We will finalise the booth schedule nearer the time >>> once we have all the project requests in. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Sharan >>> >>> On 2019/11/22 18:09:30, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi - > On Nov 22, 2019, at 6:47 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann > wrote: > > Hello, > > following the published list > > https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-11-19-accepted-stands/ > > our stand request was not accepted. The Apache Software Foundation does have a stand and OpenOffice is part of the Foundation. Participation of OpenOffice with that stand can be discussed on dev@community.a.o. There will certainly be OpenOffice stickers. Also there is an Open Document Editors developer room on Saturday. https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-10-01-accepted-developer-rooms/ The Call For Papers is https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2019q4/002921.html and the deadline is Nov 30, 2019 > But some of us (for example Mechtilde, Matthias, me) will be at > FOSDEM > 2020, so people can meet us. > > On one side I am a little bit disappointed and sad, because a > booth at > FOSDEM is a great matter for our project. On the other side I will > enjoy > the freedom of irresponsibility (also a little bit) another year. > > I am willing to repeat the request next year. Was the request for OpenOffice or Apache OpenOffice? Regards, Dave > Kind regards > Michael > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: FOSDEM 2020
Hi Matthias It's great to hear that you will organise a team for booth. I will add AOO to the booth list so please add at least one timeslot as I'd really like to ensure that AOO get some time on the booth. You are right and It's true that in the past we had a combined booth at FOSDEM, and in those days we actually had a larger space (with two tables I think!) so there was enough space to have a table for AOO including a demo PC. and also for the ASF in general, where other ASF projects could also come along and spend time. Over the last few of years the booth space has reduced and now they only allocate one table which is why we need to be fair to all ASF projects who would like to get some time on the booth. (BTW during the transition from two tables to one, each time we applied for a FOSDEM booth for the ASF, we put in a request for an additional table but were never successful). Thanks Sharan On 2019-11-23 18:56, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Sharan, Thanks! We will try to organize a team for AOO. Count me in, but I hope for others joining. One (not very important) notice: I don't know about 2016, but my first FOSDEM was in 2017. And in 2017 you had a combined booth with OpenOffice. Regards, Matthias Am 23.11.19 um 18:35 schrieb Sharan Foga: Hi All I wanted to let you know that a wiki page for FOSDEM has been setup, so if you'd like to book some time on the ASF booth to promote OpenOffice the link is below. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2020 We are planning for slots of 3-4 hours depending on how many other projects sign up, so please feel free to add the dates and times that you'd like. We will finalise the booth schedule nearer the time once we have all the project requests in. Thanks Sharan On 2019/11/22 18:09:30, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi - On Nov 22, 2019, at 6:47 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Hello, following the published list https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-11-19-accepted-stands/ our stand request was not accepted. The Apache Software Foundation does have a stand and OpenOffice is part of the Foundation. Participation of OpenOffice with that stand can be discussed on dev@community.a.o. There will certainly be OpenOffice stickers. Also there is an Open Document Editors developer room on Saturday. https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-10-01-accepted-developer-rooms/ The Call For Papers is https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2019q4/002921.html and the deadline is Nov 30, 2019 But some of us (for example Mechtilde, Matthias, me) will be at FOSDEM 2020, so people can meet us. On one side I am a little bit disappointed and sad, because a booth at FOSDEM is a great matter for our project. On the other side I will enjoy the freedom of irresponsibility (also a little bit) another year. I am willing to repeat the request next year. Was the request for OpenOffice or Apache OpenOffice? Regards, Dave Kind regards Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: FOSDEM 2020
I see. thanks the hint. On 24.11.19 15:19, Matthias Seidel wrote: > Am 24.11.19 um 15:16 schrieb Peter Kovacs: >> not sure yet. I am also proposing a talk, which needs some fine tuning. > Don't forget to update the cWiki... ;-) >> >> >> On 24.11.19 15:14, Matthias Seidel wrote: >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> Preferences for the day/time slot? >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>> Am 24.11.19 um 15:06 schrieb Peter Kovacs: count me in for the team. On 23.11.19 18:56, Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Sharan, > > Thanks! We will try to organize a team for AOO. Count me in, but I hope > for others joining. > > One (not very important) notice: > I don't know about 2016, but my first FOSDEM was in 2017. And in 2017 > you had a combined booth with OpenOffice. > > Regards, > > Matthias > > Am 23.11.19 um 18:35 schrieb Sharan Foga: >> Hi All >> >> I wanted to let you know that a wiki page for FOSDEM has been setup, so >> if you'd like to book some time on the ASF booth to promote OpenOffice >> the link is below. >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2020 >> >> We are planning for slots of 3-4 hours depending on how many other >> projects sign up, so please feel free to add the dates and times that >> you'd like. We will finalise the booth schedule nearer the time once we >> have all the project requests in. >> >> Thanks >> Sharan >> >> On 2019/11/22 18:09:30, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> Hi - >>> On Nov 22, 2019, at 6:47 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Hello, following the published list https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-11-19-accepted-stands/ our stand request was not accepted. >>> The Apache Software Foundation does have a stand and OpenOffice is part >>> of the Foundation. Participation of OpenOffice with that stand can be >>> discussed on dev@community.a.o. >>> >>> There will certainly be OpenOffice stickers. >>> >>> Also there is an Open Document Editors developer room on Saturday. >>> https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-10-01-accepted-developer-rooms/ >>> >>> The Call For Papers is >>> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2019q4/002921.html and the >>> deadline is Nov 30, 2019 >>> But some of us (for example Mechtilde, Matthias, me) will be at FOSDEM 2020, so people can meet us. On one side I am a little bit disappointed and sad, because a booth at FOSDEM is a great matter for our project. On the other side I will enjoy the freedom of irresponsibility (also a little bit) another year. I am willing to repeat the request next year. >>> Was the request for OpenOffice or Apache OpenOffice? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> Kind regards Michael >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >>> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: FOSDEM 2020
Am 24.11.19 um 15:16 schrieb Peter Kovacs: > not sure yet. I am also proposing a talk, which needs some fine tuning. Don't forget to update the cWiki... ;-) > > > > On 24.11.19 15:14, Matthias Seidel wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> Preferences for the day/time slot? >> >> Matthias >> >> Am 24.11.19 um 15:06 schrieb Peter Kovacs: >>> count me in for the team. >>> >>> On 23.11.19 18:56, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Sharan, Thanks! We will try to organize a team for AOO. Count me in, but I hope for others joining. One (not very important) notice: I don't know about 2016, but my first FOSDEM was in 2017. And in 2017 you had a combined booth with OpenOffice. Regards, Matthias Am 23.11.19 um 18:35 schrieb Sharan Foga: > Hi All > > I wanted to let you know that a wiki page for FOSDEM has been setup, so > if you'd like to book some time on the ASF booth to promote OpenOffice > the link is below. > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2020 > > We are planning for slots of 3-4 hours depending on how many other > projects sign up, so please feel free to add the dates and times that > you'd like. We will finalise the booth schedule nearer the time once we > have all the project requests in. > > Thanks > Sharan > > On 2019/11/22 18:09:30, Dave Fisher wrote: >> Hi - >> >>> On Nov 22, 2019, at 6:47 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> following the published list >>> >>> https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-11-19-accepted-stands/ >>> >>> our stand request was not accepted. >> The Apache Software Foundation does have a stand and OpenOffice is part >> of the Foundation. Participation of OpenOffice with that stand can be >> discussed on dev@community.a.o. >> >> There will certainly be OpenOffice stickers. >> >> Also there is an Open Document Editors developer room on Saturday. >> https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-10-01-accepted-developer-rooms/ >> >> The Call For Papers is >> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2019q4/002921.html and the >> deadline is Nov 30, 2019 >> >>> But some of us (for example Mechtilde, Matthias, me) will be at FOSDEM >>> 2020, so people can meet us. >>> >>> On one side I am a little bit disappointed and sad, because a booth at >>> FOSDEM is a great matter for our project. On the other side I will enjoy >>> the freedom of irresponsibility (also a little bit) another year. >>> >>> I am willing to repeat the request next year. >> Was the request for OpenOffice or Apache OpenOffice? >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> Kind regards >>> Michael >>> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: FOSDEM 2020
not sure yet. I am also proposing a talk, which needs some fine tuning. On 24.11.19 15:14, Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Preferences for the day/time slot? > > Matthias > > Am 24.11.19 um 15:06 schrieb Peter Kovacs: >> count me in for the team. >> >> On 23.11.19 18:56, Matthias Seidel wrote: >>> Hi Sharan, >>> >>> Thanks! We will try to organize a team for AOO. Count me in, but I hope >>> for others joining. >>> >>> One (not very important) notice: >>> I don't know about 2016, but my first FOSDEM was in 2017. And in 2017 >>> you had a combined booth with OpenOffice. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>> Am 23.11.19 um 18:35 schrieb Sharan Foga: Hi All I wanted to let you know that a wiki page for FOSDEM has been setup, so if you'd like to book some time on the ASF booth to promote OpenOffice the link is below. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2020 We are planning for slots of 3-4 hours depending on how many other projects sign up, so please feel free to add the dates and times that you'd like. We will finalise the booth schedule nearer the time once we have all the project requests in. Thanks Sharan On 2019/11/22 18:09:30, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi - > >> On Nov 22, 2019, at 6:47 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> following the published list >> >> https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-11-19-accepted-stands/ >> >> our stand request was not accepted. > The Apache Software Foundation does have a stand and OpenOffice is part > of the Foundation. Participation of OpenOffice with that stand can be > discussed on dev@community.a.o. > > There will certainly be OpenOffice stickers. > > Also there is an Open Document Editors developer room on Saturday. > https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-10-01-accepted-developer-rooms/ > > The Call For Papers is > https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2019q4/002921.html and the > deadline is Nov 30, 2019 > >> But some of us (for example Mechtilde, Matthias, me) will be at FOSDEM >> 2020, so people can meet us. >> >> On one side I am a little bit disappointed and sad, because a booth at >> FOSDEM is a great matter for our project. On the other side I will enjoy >> the freedom of irresponsibility (also a little bit) another year. >> >> I am willing to repeat the request next year. > Was the request for OpenOffice or Apache OpenOffice? > > Regards, > Dave > >> Kind regards >> Michael >> > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: FOSDEM 2020
Hi Peter, Preferences for the day/time slot? Matthias Am 24.11.19 um 15:06 schrieb Peter Kovacs: > count me in for the team. > > On 23.11.19 18:56, Matthias Seidel wrote: >> Hi Sharan, >> >> Thanks! We will try to organize a team for AOO. Count me in, but I hope >> for others joining. >> >> One (not very important) notice: >> I don't know about 2016, but my first FOSDEM was in 2017. And in 2017 >> you had a combined booth with OpenOffice. >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >> Am 23.11.19 um 18:35 schrieb Sharan Foga: >>> Hi All >>> >>> I wanted to let you know that a wiki page for FOSDEM has been setup, so if >>> you'd like to book some time on the ASF booth to promote OpenOffice the >>> link is below. >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2020 >>> >>> We are planning for slots of 3-4 hours depending on how many other projects >>> sign up, so please feel free to add the dates and times that you'd like. We >>> will finalise the booth schedule nearer the time once we have all the >>> project requests in. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Sharan >>> >>> On 2019/11/22 18:09:30, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi - > On Nov 22, 2019, at 6:47 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann > wrote: > > Hello, > > following the published list > > https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-11-19-accepted-stands/ > > our stand request was not accepted. The Apache Software Foundation does have a stand and OpenOffice is part of the Foundation. Participation of OpenOffice with that stand can be discussed on dev@community.a.o. There will certainly be OpenOffice stickers. Also there is an Open Document Editors developer room on Saturday. https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-10-01-accepted-developer-rooms/ The Call For Papers is https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2019q4/002921.html and the deadline is Nov 30, 2019 > But some of us (for example Mechtilde, Matthias, me) will be at FOSDEM > 2020, so people can meet us. > > On one side I am a little bit disappointed and sad, because a booth at > FOSDEM is a great matter for our project. On the other side I will enjoy > the freedom of irresponsibility (also a little bit) another year. > > I am willing to repeat the request next year. Was the request for OpenOffice or Apache OpenOffice? Regards, Dave > Kind regards > Michael > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: FOSDEM 2020
count me in for the team. On 23.11.19 18:56, Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Sharan, > > Thanks! We will try to organize a team for AOO. Count me in, but I hope > for others joining. > > One (not very important) notice: > I don't know about 2016, but my first FOSDEM was in 2017. And in 2017 > you had a combined booth with OpenOffice. > > Regards, > > Matthias > > Am 23.11.19 um 18:35 schrieb Sharan Foga: >> Hi All >> >> I wanted to let you know that a wiki page for FOSDEM has been setup, so if >> you'd like to book some time on the ASF booth to promote OpenOffice the link >> is below. >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2020 >> >> We are planning for slots of 3-4 hours depending on how many other projects >> sign up, so please feel free to add the dates and times that you'd like. We >> will finalise the booth schedule nearer the time once we have all the >> project requests in. >> >> Thanks >> Sharan >> >> On 2019/11/22 18:09:30, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> Hi - >>> On Nov 22, 2019, at 6:47 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Hello, following the published list https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-11-19-accepted-stands/ our stand request was not accepted. >>> The Apache Software Foundation does have a stand and OpenOffice is part of >>> the Foundation. Participation of OpenOffice with that stand can be >>> discussed on dev@community.a.o. >>> >>> There will certainly be OpenOffice stickers. >>> >>> Also there is an Open Document Editors developer room on Saturday. >>> https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-10-01-accepted-developer-rooms/ >>> >>> The Call For Papers is >>> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2019q4/002921.html and the >>> deadline is Nov 30, 2019 >>> But some of us (for example Mechtilde, Matthias, me) will be at FOSDEM 2020, so people can meet us. On one side I am a little bit disappointed and sad, because a booth at FOSDEM is a great matter for our project. On the other side I will enjoy the freedom of irresponsibility (also a little bit) another year. I am willing to repeat the request next year. >>> Was the request for OpenOffice or Apache OpenOffice? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> Kind regards Michael >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >>> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New PC for our booth?
+1, can we order something like this through ASFchannels? What would be the best way to get this? On 24.11.19 00:35, Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi all, > > About 2 years ago our booth team (Mechtilde and Michael) mentioned to me > that the hardware of their PC was beginning to fail. > Back then I ordered a cheap Mini PC for them that did the job, but > practice has shown that performance is a bit slow. > > What about a new one? Something like a ThinkCentre Tiny [1]? > Maybe also for a new compatible TFT [2]? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > [1] > https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/desktops-and-all-in-ones/thinkcentre/m-series-tiny/ThinkCentre-M715q-Tiny/p/11TC1MT715Q > [2] > https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/monitors/tiny-in-one/TIO22Gen3A17TIOinch-Monitor/p/10R1PAR1US > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: volunteer activity tracking
On 24.11.2019 13:19, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] >> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:28 AM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: volunteer activity tracking >> >> >> On 24.11.19 09:30, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Normally we discuss to get a consensus. Crucial votes are out-of-favour. This is the only way to keep the community together. >>> No, that is only a way of unification. >> But if there is no unification, voices have not been taken >> sufficiently >> into account. >> >> If this happens to often, people will go away, and the community is >> diminished. > That's not gonna happen. That's happened. > > Lots and lots of former volunteers left the OpenOffice project and either > went to LO or turned away from free software. > Doesn't it show the weakness of our project that we couldn't even stand up to > a newcomer like LO? (Nothing general against LO, only it is not our project. > Our task is to ensure the success of AOO.) > > The example of the ProOO-Box shows how wrong the procedure is in some cases. > With OOo, the ProOO box was part of the project, with AOO it was suddenly no > longer part of the project, but was declared a "third party" without any > substantial reason. > At the persistent request of the volunteers, it was explained that the ProOO > box could apply as a separate incubator project. > Does nobody understand how absurd this proposal was? Does no one understand > how it offended volunteers? I don't know anything about this story, but in general terms: as far as I'm aware, a software grant (or other kind of IP contribution) can go directly to an existing PMC without having to pass through the Incubator. If anyone said otherwise, they were simply wrong. -- Brane - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: volunteer activity tracking
> -Original Message- > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:28 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: volunteer activity tracking > > > On 24.11.19 09:30, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > >> Normally we discuss to get a consensus. Crucial votes are > >> out-of-favour. > >> This is the only way to keep the community together. > > No, that is only a way of unification. > > But if there is no unification, voices have not been taken > sufficiently > into account. > > If this happens to often, people will go away, and the community is > diminished. That's not gonna happen. That's happened. Lots and lots of former volunteers left the OpenOffice project and either went to LO or turned away from free software. Doesn't it show the weakness of our project that we couldn't even stand up to a newcomer like LO? (Nothing general against LO, only it is not our project. Our task is to ensure the success of AOO.) The example of the ProOO-Box shows how wrong the procedure is in some cases. With OOo, the ProOO box was part of the project, with AOO it was suddenly no longer part of the project, but was declared a "third party" without any substantial reason. At the persistent request of the volunteers, it was explained that the ProOO box could apply as a separate incubator project. Does nobody understand how absurd this proposal was? Does no one understand how it offended volunteers? Of course my answer to Michael is not about the dissent being better, but just about the fact that we have to be willing to learn from our own mistakes and to implement improvements. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: volunteer activity tracking (was: Ariel is back in our PMC and developer circle)
On 24.11.19 09:44, Jörg Schmidt wrote: >>> Thank you for this (imho) very important info. Not good >> that the community was not informed about it, but this info >> was apparently only known internally. >> >> It was informed and the discussion was started on September >> 1, 2016. [1] >> >> I am proud of the community’s progress since then. > Maybe there are some things to be proud of, only the years go by and AOO is > only a shadow compared to the previous OOo. > > We haven't managed to become so attractive that more programmers, more > volunteers overall, find their way into the project. I'm afraid that's also a > consequence of bad project management. > A self-critical analysis and discussion could improve that, not the kind of > talk I unfortunately just read from Michael. I am open on any suggestion to improve recruitment. My main problem is that people showing up want a quick easy access and clear understamble tasks what to do. I have no open PMC actions that would help me to improve current situation. I am listening to your suggestions! I have not seen any so far, but it is never to late to start. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: volunteer activity tracking
On 24.11.19 09:30, Jörg Schmidt wrote: >> Normally we discuss to get a consensus. Crucial votes are >> out-of-favour. >> This is the only way to keep the community together. > No, that is only a way of unification. But if there is no unification, voices have not been taken sufficiently into account. If this happens to often, people will go away, and the community is diminished. A concent is that you accept the proposed resolution, even if you do not agree with the others opinion on the vote. A resolution is always an action, or a by-rule or a goal to achieve. I do not see how your argument is not supporting Michaels argument. So imho you argument needs to be: Yes, that is a way of unification. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: volunteer activity tracking
> -Original Message- > From: Branko Čibej [mailto:br...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:31 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: volunteer activity tracking > I'm not sure what you mean by "legally acquired merit." I mean that community members became PMC members in the way the Apache rules dictate. > > Or are members of the PMC not allowed to have different > opinions when voting? > > > They surely are, but a healthy community will reach a > consensus through > discussion, not by majority fiat through a vote. This is actually a > crucial point and what the ASF is all about: and, if you find yourself > making decisions by voting, rather than the vote being just a way to > formally confirm prior consensus, then something has gone very wrong. I think so as much as you do. Unfortunately, I also feel that some project or PMC members (not all) are not welcome to make critical remarks. So far, I still hope I'm wrong. > Different opinions /should/ be ironed out through discussion. > If they're > not, eventually the community will break up. If the community finds > itself unable to form consensus about some topic, it's better to > postpone any decision, or explore alternatives. > > > > And if they may, may they not have different opinions in > the future than at the time when they became a PMC member? > > > Of course they may. That's a normal consequence of learning, > after all. Thank you. It's good to hear that there are people who see it that way. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: volunteer activity tracking (was: Ariel is back in our PMC and developer circle)
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 7:42 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: volunteer activity tracking (was: Ariel is back > in our PMC and developer circle) > > > > > On Nov 21, 2019, at 4:11 AM, Jörg Schmidt > wrote: > > Thank you for this (imho) very important info. Not good > that the community was not informed about it, but this info > was apparently only known internally. > > It was informed and the discussion was started on September > 1, 2016. [1] > > I am proud of the community’s progress since then. Maybe there are some things to be proud of, only the years go by and AOO is only a shadow compared to the previous OOo. We haven't managed to become so attractive that more programmers, more volunteers overall, find their way into the project. I'm afraid that's also a consequence of bad project management. A self-critical analysis and discussion could improve that, not the kind of talk I unfortunately just read from Michael. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: volunteer activity tracking
> From: Dr. Michael Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de] > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:40 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: volunteer activity tracking > > Hello, > > Am 21.11.19 um 14:42 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > > Or are members of the PMC not allowed to have different > opinions when voting? And if they may, may they not have > different opinions in the future than at the time when they > became a PMC member? > > > > Normally we discuss to get a consensus. Crucial votes are > out-of-favour. > This is the only way to keep the community together. No, that is only a way of unification. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
