Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

2022-08-02 Thread Matthias Seidel
Am 02.08.22 um 18:12 schrieb Dave Fisher:
> After 21 years working with users of OpenOffice.org, Apache OpenOffice, and 
> LibreOffice Dave’s experience should be respected and not dismissed.
I really think that all this was a big misunderstanding. I surely didn't
want to disrespect Dave's experience!
>
> Assume a bad day or frustration instead of further reaction. Apologizing for 
> misunderstanding someone is good, friendly community building.

But I still hope that his statement was made out of an impulse and AOO
remains not only my beloved project.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Assume the best,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Peter kovacs  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Can you explain?
>> I do not understand why Dave is angry. 
>> I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Peter
>>
>> Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher :
>>> I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.
>>>
>>> If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from 
>>> moderation.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
 I am not sure what happened here...

 But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".

 According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
 should discuss if we need to remove his rights.

 Regards,

   Matthias

> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
> quit.
>
> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
> late for that.
>
>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>
>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT! (expletives deleted)
>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>> who they might be.
>>
>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>
>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>
>> BYE AOO!
>>
>>
>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
 Hi Matthias,

 Sorry, but you loose that bet.

 I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
 installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
 readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
 16Gb
 RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
 enough.

 Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
 SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>
>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>
 @Peter:
 On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
 4.1.13
 edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
 to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.

 Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>> No.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>Matthias
>>>
 Regards
 Dave


 On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>
>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>
> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
> a lot
> of people *are* using GNOME...
>
> Regards,
>
>Matthias
>
>> Regards
>> Dave
>>
>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>
>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>> distributions when
>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>Matthias
>>>
>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
 On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>
> As soon 

Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

2022-08-02 Thread Dave Fisher
After 21 years working with users of OpenOffice.org, Apache OpenOffice, and 
LibreOffice Dave’s experience should be respected and not dismissed.

Assume a bad day or frustration instead of further reaction. Apologizing for 
misunderstanding someone is good, friendly community building.

Assume the best,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Peter kovacs  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Can you explain?
> I do not understand why Dave is angry. 
> I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.
> 
> Thanks.
> Peter
> 
> Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher :
>> I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.
>> 
>> If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from 
>> moderation.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Dave
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not sure what happened here...
>>> 
>>> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
>>> 
>>> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
>>> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>   Matthias
>>> 
 Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
 I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
 quit.
 
 There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
 late for that.
 
> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
> had absolutely no sense of humour.
> 
> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT! (expletives deleted)
> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
> who they might be.
> 
> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
> 
> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
> will now be directed to null/dev.
> 
> BYE AOO!
> 
> 
> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>> 
>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>> 
>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>> 16Gb
>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>> enough.
>>> 
>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>> 
>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>> 
>>> @Peter:
>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>> 4.1.13
>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>> 
>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>> No.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>Matthias
>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
 Hi Dave,
 
 Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
> 
> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
 I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
 
 Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
 a lot
 of people *are* using GNOME...
 
 Regards,
 
Matthias
 
> Regards
> Dave
> 
> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>> 
>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>> distributions when
>> GNOME is used as DE.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>Matthias
>> 
>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
 
 As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy (From
 LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
 
 Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
 
 Check out the document:
 
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
 

Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

2022-08-02 Thread Peter kovacs
Hi Dave,

Can you explain?
I do not understand why Dave is angry. 
I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.

Thanks.
Peter

Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher :
>I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.
>
>If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from 
>moderation.
>
>All the best,
>Dave
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I am not sure what happened here...
>> 
>> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
>> 
>> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
>> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>Matthias
>> 
>>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>>> quit.
>>> 
>>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>>> late for that.
>>> 
 Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
 Hi Matthias,
 
 Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
 had absolutely no sense of humour.
 
 Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
 have ever had contact with. So please do NOT! (expletives deleted)
 talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
 who they might be.
 
 YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
 on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
 
 Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
 will now be directed to null/dev.
 
 BYE AOO!
 
 
 On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>> Hi Matthias,
>> 
>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>> 
>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>> 16Gb
>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>> enough.
>> 
>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
> 
> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
> 
>> @Peter:
>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>> 4.1.13
>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>> 
>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
> No.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
>> Regards
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>> 
>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
 Hi Matthias,
 
 Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
 
 I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>> 
>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>> a lot
>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
 Regards
 Dave
 
 On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
> 
> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
> distributions when
> GNOME is used as DE.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>> 
>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy (From
>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>> 
>>> Check out the document:
>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>> 
>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>> recent fast
>>> machine)
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> 
>>> Peter
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>> 
>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>> Mint 20.3
>> 
>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO

Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

2022-08-02 Thread Dave Fisher
I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.

If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from 
moderation.

All the best,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> I am not sure what happened here...
> 
> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
> 
> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>> quit.
>> 
>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>> late for that.
>> 
>>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>> 
>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>> 
>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT! (expletives deleted)
>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>>> who they might be.
>>> 
>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>> 
>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>> 
>>> BYE AOO!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
 Hi Dave,
 
 Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
> 
> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
> 16Gb
> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
> enough.
> 
> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
 I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
 
 And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
 
> @Peter:
> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
> 4.1.13
> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
> 
> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
 No.
 
 Regards,
 
 Matthias
 
> Regards
> Dave
> 
> 
> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>> 
>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>> 
>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>> 
>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>> a lot
>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
 Hi Dave,
 
 Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
 
 We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
 distributions when
 GNOME is used as DE.
 
 Regards,
 
 Matthias
 
 Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>> 
>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy (From
>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>> 
>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>> 
>> Check out the document:
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>> 
>> 
>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>> 
>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>> recent fast
>> machine)
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Peter
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
> 
> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
> Mint 20.3
> 
> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
> 4.1.13
> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
> either
> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
> 
> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
> edit the
> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
> on Win 

Re: Open Source Apache License

2022-08-02 Thread Moderator
FYI A list moderator has for more than a decade taken on the
responsibility of ensuring non-subscribed posters receive a redirected
copy of answers where they were not cc'd. So Heather did get a copy of
Francis's reply.

On 02/08/2022 11:49, Carl Marcum wrote:
> Hi Francis,
> 
> Thanks for the thoughtful reply to Heather but they may not be
> subscribed to the list.
> 
> Best regards,
> Carl
> 
> On 8/1/22 10:34 PM, F Campos Costero wrote:
>> I am sorry to hear you are having so much trouble with your devices.
>> However, this mailing list is not the right place to get help fixing
>> those
>> problems. Let me explain why that is.
>>
>> The Apache Software License is just a legal text that sets out the
>> conditions for using, copying, and modifying software. The license
>> does not
>> do anything on your device. Many pieces of software are distributed under
>> the Apache License, so it would not be surprising to find its text or a
>> reference to the license on your device.
>>
>> This mailing list is used by the developers of Apache OpenOffice, a
>> product
>> distributed  under the Apache License. OpenOffice, as released by this
>> organnization does not do any of the evil things you have experienced.
>> Though you do not mention OpenOffice in your message, I will say that if
>> you downloaded and installed OpenOffice from an unscrupulous source,
>> it may
>> have been modified or other software might have been included in the
>> download so that malware was installed on your device. The official and
>> safe source for OpenOffice is https://www.openoffice.org/download/.
>>
>> However the malware got on to your device, the people on this mailing
>> list
>> had nothing to do with it and have no realistic way to help you. You are
>> right searching for expert help but this is not the right place. I am NOT
>> an expert in malware but I suspect you need to find a local person who
>> can
>> work directly on you device to diagnose the problem.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Francis
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 4:36 PM Heather Jordan
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I'm writing you to inquire about distribution of said license to
>>> unknowing parties/devices. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I do believe
>>> that I read that is considered mis use of the license. This license has
>>> been installed on multiple devices of mine on  occasions usually with
>>> more
>>> attached. They are using my private information, locking me out of my
>>> internet, crashing my devices, copying my password, looking through my
>>> history, sending packages to my phone, breaching my banks, credit,
>>> getting
>>> my call and message, changing my passwords, forwaring my mail. with a
>>> lot
>>> more damage. They are using some type business because my phone says to
>>> speak to my administration I don't have one. Could you please help
>>> correcting this issue please?
>>>
>>>    Thank you for your time
>>>     Heather Jordan
>>>     7046786433
>>>
> 
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Re: Open Source Apache License

2022-08-02 Thread Carl Marcum

Hi Francis,

Thanks for the thoughtful reply to Heather but they may not be 
subscribed to the list.


Best regards,
Carl

On 8/1/22 10:34 PM, F Campos Costero wrote:

I am sorry to hear you are having so much trouble with your devices.
However, this mailing list is not the right place to get help fixing those
problems. Let me explain why that is.

The Apache Software License is just a legal text that sets out the
conditions for using, copying, and modifying software. The license does not
do anything on your device. Many pieces of software are distributed under
the Apache License, so it would not be surprising to find its text or a
reference to the license on your device.

This mailing list is used by the developers of Apache OpenOffice, a product
distributed  under the Apache License. OpenOffice, as released by this
organnization does not do any of the evil things you have experienced.
Though you do not mention OpenOffice in your message, I will say that if
you downloaded and installed OpenOffice from an unscrupulous source, it may
have been modified or other software might have been included in the
download so that malware was installed on your device. The official and
safe source for OpenOffice is https://www.openoffice.org/download/.

However the malware got on to your device, the people on this mailing list
had nothing to do with it and have no realistic way to help you. You are
right searching for expert help but this is not the right place. I am NOT
an expert in malware but I suspect you need to find a local person who can
work directly on you device to diagnose the problem.

Best regards,
Francis

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 4:36 PM Heather Jordan 
wrote:


Yes I'm writing you to inquire about distribution of said license to
unknowing parties/devices. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I do believe
that I read that is considered mis use of the license. This license has
been installed on multiple devices of mine on  occasions usually with more
attached. They are using my private information, locking me out of my
internet, crashing my devices, copying my password, looking through my
history, sending packages to my phone, breaching my banks, credit, getting
my call and message, changing my passwords, forwaring my mail. with a lot
more damage. They are using some type business because my phone says to
speak to my administration I don't have one. Could you please help
correcting this issue please?

   Thank you for your time
Heather Jordan
7046786433




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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

2022-08-02 Thread Dr. Michael Stehmann

Hello,

I am wondering, what is going on here.

Looking from past to future:

Before moving rights, IMO we have to find substitute persons to do the jobs.

Kind regards
Michael

Am 02.08.22 um 11:19 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I am not sure what happened here...

But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".

According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
should discuss if we need to remove his rights.

Regards,

    Matthias

Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
quit.

There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
late for that.

Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:

Hi Matthias,

Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
had absolutely no sense of humour.

Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
have ever had contact with. So please do NOT! (expletives deleted)
talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
who they might be.

YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".

Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
will now be directed to null/dev.

BYE AOO!


On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Dave,

Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:

Hi Matthias,

Sorry, but you loose that bet.

I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
16Gb
RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
enough.

Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
SOMETHING to assist Peter.

I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.

And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.


@Peter:
On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
4.1.13
edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.

Is there any difference between the RC and released code?

No.

Regards,

     Matthias


Regards
Dave


On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Dave,

Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:

Hi Matthias,

Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.

I have never been a fan of GNOME.

I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)

Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
a lot
of people *are* using GNOME...

Regards,

     Matthias


Regards
Dave

On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Dave,

Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?

We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
distributions when
GNOME is used as DE.

Regards,

     Matthias

Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:

On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hi all,

I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.

As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy (From
LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.

Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?

Check out the document:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing


I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.

My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
recent fast
machine)

All the best

Peter

Hi Peter,

Not sure if this will be of any help to you.

My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
Mint 20.3

I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
4.1.13
(Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
either
AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.

However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
edit the
OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
on Win 10,
but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.

Regards
Dave

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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

2022-08-02 Thread Matthias Seidel
I am not sure what happened here...

But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".

According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
should discuss if we need to remove his rights.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
> quit.
>
> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
> late for that.
>
> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>
>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT! (expletives deleted)
>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>> who they might be.
>>
>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>
>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>
>> BYE AOO!
>>
>>
>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
 Hi Matthias,

 Sorry, but you loose that bet.

 I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
 installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
 readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
 16Gb
 RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
 enough.

 Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
 SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>
>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>
 @Peter:
 On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
 4.1.13
 edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
 to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.

 Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>> No.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
 Regards
 Dave


 On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>
>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>
> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
> a lot
> of people *are* using GNOME...
>
> Regards,
>
>     Matthias
>
>> Regards
>> Dave
>>
>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>
>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>> distributions when
>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
 On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>
> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy (From
> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>
> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>
> Check out the document:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>
> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
> recent fast
> machine)
>
> All the best
>
> Peter
 Hi Peter,

 Not sure if this will be of any help to you.

 My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
 Mint 20.3

 I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
 4.1.13
 (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
 either
 AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.

 However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
 edit the
 OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
 on Win 10,
 but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.

 Regards
 Dave

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