Question on Issue 116295

2016-02-21 Thread Andreas Säger
Hi,

There is a known security issue affecting users who use the mail merge
wizard in spammer's mode (serial letters as email attachments). The
wizard stores the mail account confidentials as clear text in regmod.xcu.

> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=116295

Could it be that we already have a password protected and hopefully
encrypted container for network related passwords?
I mean Tools>Options...Security "Passwords for web connections"
I have difficulties diffing registrymodifications.xcu so I can not find
out by myself.

Greetings,
Andreas

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Re: Calc needs major overhaul

2016-02-14 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 14.02.2016 um 09:17 schrieb knsm...@yahoo.co.jp:
> 
> Please share this email with Calc development team members.
> 

There is an official support forum for this kind of problem:
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/index.php



> 
> Calc used to be a brilliant spreadsheet.
> 

This suggests that anything in Calc that used to work stopped working.
In fact, this was never supposed to work. OpenOffice comes with a
database. Input forms work with database record sets.

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Re: Question

2016-01-19 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 18.01.2016 um 22:45 schrieb Mayela Muniz:
> 
> Can openoffice most recent version save a word document in a .docx format?   
> Thanks
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No, but the most recent version of MS Office can read Open Document
Format (just like dozends of other applications).


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Re: [REPORT] Issue Clearance Quality + Technical Debt

2016-01-18 Thread Andreas Säger
Technical Debt in AOO 4.1.2:
1. The entire Base component does not work on the Mac platform. Not a
Java issue, not limited to any type of database. Serial letters and
bibliographies are impossible to do on the Mac. On the user forum this
issue comes up more than once a week. Going back to AOO 4.1.1 is one
solution. Most users prefer LibreOffice in this situation.
2. Spreadsheet functions IFERR and IFNA are part of the ODF formula
specification and not yet implemented. This comes up more than once a
week because nobody uses IF(ISERROR(foo);bar;foo). Today's users of
Excel, LibreOffice and Gnumeric use IFERROR(foo;bar).

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Re: Re: Complaint Writer lost 36 pages of my document with no auto backup copy.

2016-01-02 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 01.01.2016 um 22:39 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
> 
> Meanwhile, I think it would be wonderful if on opening documents there were
> *accurate* warnings that the document relies on format features that are not
> supported and that will not be presented or preserved properly.  (If we
> preserved the original as a backup, that would be helpful though, so
> something to think about.)  I think it would be great if the same were true
> on saving a document in a format for which features are not preserved by the
> save operation.  Not the scare warning, but accurate warnings.  Not
> necessarily detailed.  Then the recommendation to save in ODF first to
> ensure preservation would make sense and perhaps the save to the format for
> which fidelity is not offered would be treated as an export in that case.
> 


This is what I use to suggest on the user forum when users need to
exchange mail attachments with MSO users. I got very positive feedback
for this:

1) Open the incoming doc/xls attachment. It might be loaded as a
read-only copy residing in a temporary directory.
2) Save as ODF in your home directory and work with that.
3) Finally, menu:File>Send>Document as doc/xls

This way you keep the incoming doc/xls in your inbox, the outgoing
doc/xls in your outbox and an ODF document to work with.

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Re: Re: Complaint Writer lost 36 pages of my document with no auto backup copy.

2016-01-02 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 02.01.2016 um 04:10 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
> 
> That is not quite the use-case I was thinking of. When collaborating, I
> often need to edit a document I did not originate. Commonly, the
> document will be in a Microsoft Word format, and has to be distributed
> in that format. There is no "original ODT format" document. Since I
> usually collaborate with computer people, revision control is important.
> 
> One natural sequence is:
> 
> - Check out DOC format document from revision control.
> - Edit and save it.
> - Check it in to revision control
> - Edit it some more and save it again.
> - Check it in to revision control
> - Update because someone else has edited and checked it in.
> - Edit it still more, and save it again.
> - Check it in to revision control
> 

I would either edit my own ODF copies or buy some capable doc(x) editor
in the long run. The two ODF suites are not good enough.

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Re: Re: Complaint Writer lost 36 pages of my document with no auto backup copy.

2015-12-31 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 31.12.2015 um 19:53 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
> On 12/31/2015 10:30 AM, Max Merbald wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> let me say a few words on this too:
>>
>> I have had the autosave option enabled for ages and I've never
>> experienced a problem I'd relate to this. In the contrary, it has helped
>> me a few times to retrieve a document I've had a problem with (such as
>> losing it for some reason or other. I think users will benefit from the
>> autosave being enabled by default.
> 
> I also have autosave enabled, and have not experienced any problems with
> it personally.
> 

Both of you work with ODF and export to foreign formats when necessary.

Bill M wrote:
>  The only change I made was to
> turn off the question about save in ODF format as I send it to other people
> in RTF or Microsoft DOC format.

Bill M uses OpenOffice as an editor for foreign file formats which is
the anti-feature that deserves to be disabled completely. All documents
should be edited in ODF. Always. When you save another version in
foreign file format, the current document should remain the ODF source.
Foreign files should be loaded read-only and saved as ODF before editing.

Another misconception is that too many users believe that the "backup"
feature of their office suite ensures a reasonable level of data safety.
In fact they never run any backup utility at all.

The term "backup" should be avoided alltogether in favour of "crash
recovery". Can we really assure that our crash recovery tool works with
all supported file formats including the foreign ones?

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Re: [Forum] Vietnamese forum to be closed?

2015-12-31 Thread Andreas Säger
+1

Am 31.12.2015 um 21:23 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
> +1
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 11:09
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [Forum] Vietnamese forum to be closed?
>>


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Re: Calc Selections of Entire Rows and Columns

2015-12-13 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 13.12.2015 um 17:12 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
> The TL;DR: For full row and column selections in formulas, the trick is to 
> arrange to accept something like A:A and to recognize the explicit OO.o idiom 
> (i.e., A$1:A$1048576) and show it as A:A.  The trick is to always write, in 
> the OpenFormula, A$1:A$1048576, regardless of the form it was read/input, and 
> always display as A:A in the presented formula.  That is, always write the 
> idiom but recognize both it and the general form (and all variations of 
> course) as the general form.  
> 

There is a difference between A:A and A$1:A$1048576 in Excel and
Gnumeric: When you delete rows, A:A remains A:A whereas A$1:A$1048576
shrinks. Any reference to the last cell A$1048576 moves up but any A:A
reference remains the same regardless how many and how often you delete
cells. In the age of spreadsheet databases this may be a problem when
you count on this behaviour.

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Re: Possible Mac problem 4.1.2

2015-11-06 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 06.11.2015 um 10:19 schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

> No further tests ... I normally don't use the db in OpenOffice
> 
> Juergen

Millions of users use it for mail merge, label print etc. from connected
spreadsheets.

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Re: Apache Open Office

2015-11-04 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 04.11.2015 um 22:28 schrieb dzymum .:
> Does Apache Open Office work with a MAC? I am trying to help my
> granddaughter with her Chemistry and need an office doc program that will
> work with her pc and my MAC.
> Thanks
> Dee
> 

> http://www.openoffice.org/download/



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Re: [QUESTION] Usability of Non-Optional Java Dependencies

2015-11-03 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 03.11.2015 um 01:23 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

> I have no idea of the frequency of that situation.
> 

Hi,

On the user forum it occurs several times per month.
The list box of availlable JREs should not include 64-bit JREs.
It should have a label such as "Suitable 32-bit Java Runtimes on this
system:" plus an additional [Help] button, tool-tip and everything that
helps to resolve the situation without asking someone else for help. As
far as I know, help contents are partially platform specific anyway.
I don't know if possible, but there should be a one-click hyperlink to a
32-bit JRE. The official Oracle link to a manual download goes as far as
> http://www.java.com/de/download/manual.jsp

Oh, and I suppose it should (and could) be an ordinary list box without
any radio buttons.

This is a localized version (/de/ German) of the manual download page
where the user needs to know that the second link [Windows Offline]
http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=111687 is the one
to download but NOT [Windows Online] and NOT [Windows Offline 64-bit].
Of course, the BundleID changes with every Java update.
And yes, this is Java8 and it works well although AOO specifies Java7.
IMHO, a hyperlink on a help page leading to the English
http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp together with a localized
hint to download and install the 32-bit JRE labeled "Windows Offline"
could improve the situtation.


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Re: Java 32

2014-12-11 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 11.12.2014 um 09:49 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
 Marcus wrote:
 Of course I can change it in the code with a commit. However, I'm not
 able to create a build to check myself to see if my fix is good or
 produces an ugly build breaker. I'm not yet so far to build AOO from
 scratch myself. I wanted to try this for the quite days at this years
 end.
 Any tips?
 
 My suggestion (can be executed as a team, not necessarily by one person):
 
 1. Find a proper wording for
 http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html
 

More detailed info is needed to overthrow the common prejudice that
OpenOffice relies heavily on Java which is not even true for the Base
component.

A Java runtime environment (JRE) is required to use the following
functionality:

*Wizards*, namely:
 menu:FileWizardLetter...
 menu:FileWizardFax...
 menu:FileWizardAgenda...
 menu:FileWizardWeb Page...

*Macros*
JavaScript and BeanShell macros require Java
The dialog menu:ToolsMacrosRun... can't be used.
Without Java you can still use menu:ToolsMacrosOrganize... to run
Python and Basic macros.
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=86541

*Extensions*
Extensions coded in Java

Finding keywords in the F1 help depends on Java.

*Database access*
All Base wizards are coded in Java.
The embedded HSQLDB and any other JDBC connetion requires Java.

Contrary to the current text stating that Base depends entirely on Java,
most of the Base component is functional without Java. You can query and
mail merge any kind of non-Java database and you can create fully
functional input forms manually without the questionable help of the
form wizard.
You can even create a new database without Java. This results in a (less
functionable) dBase directory.

*Required JRE* when needing any of the above features:
Any recent version of Java 7 or 8
Windwos: 32 bit JRE in any case since OpenOffice for Windows is a 32 bit
application
Mac: 64 bit JRE for all recent versions of OpenOffice since all recent
versions for the Mac are 64 bit versions.
Linux: 32 or 64 bit JRE according to the bitness of OpenOffice which
should be the same as the system bitness.

 2. Create a link www.openoffice.org/java pointing at it
 
 3. Find a short (short!) text for the dialog box, sending the people to
 www.openoffice.org/java for any details (including 32 and 64-bit
 systems); I don't know if links are supported, but the short URL at 2
 should take care of it
 

This would be very easy if the dialog box would not show inadequate
JREs. If it would list only the JREs with correct bitness, the list of
JREs could have a slightly modified label with a 32 or 64 bit prefix
like this:
32|64 bit Java runtime environments (JRE) already installed:

I strongly suggest to fix the list content first. Showing the right
label text with wrong options does not help much.


 4. Place #3 in form of a patch in Bugzilla and send the number here (and
 if the patch comes from someone who is not one of the usual code
 committers, even better)
 
 5. At that point it will be easy for people who have their own build
 tree to check the patch before we get it in, so don't worry about this.
 
 Regards,
   Andrea.
 
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Re: oooforum

2014-12-05 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 05.12.2014 um 01:15 schrieb Andrew Douglas Pitonyak:
 I did a scrape of the pages, and it is about 8GB last time I did it. Off
 hand, I expect that a huge chunk of that is SPAM, especially since most
 of the SPAMS have large graphics included. I considered writing a PERL
 script to clean that based on certain search criteria, but, it just
 feels like a huge annoyance to spend hours removing posts and then
 trolling the rest of the files to rearrange all of the links so that
 things continue to function. So, I did not start the clean-up process
 from my scrape.
 

Hi,

Last time when I was browsing oooforum.org, there was a distinct day
when the moderators gave up. Every posting since that day is spam or an
unanswered question. Everything before that day was more or less well
moderated.
Sorry, I don't recall which day it was but it is easy to find when you
search postings of active members.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Fwd: Can open Open office add?

2014-10-29 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 29.10.2014 um 03:36 schrieb F C. Costero:
 Forwarding in case Darren isn't subscribed. And I see now that my reference
 below to 30 years should have been somewhat less, but still many years.
 That's what I get for reading only the title of a message.
 Francis
 

Hi,

It's 35 years since the first release of Visicalc which followed the
same calculation rules as todays spreadsheet application.

 http://www.danbricklin.com/history/refcard1.htm

Text values are documented as Labels and were not subject to
arithmetic operations. You could enter numeric labels with a preceeding
double-quote. Today this is a single quote.

According to

 http://www.excelfunctions.net/Excel-Sum-Function.html

text representations of numbers within ranges are ignored by Excel's SUM
function.

As Rob already pointed out, Excel does some fatal mistakes when it comes
to implicit string to number conversions in other contexts. The same
Excel document loaded into the same version of MS Excel may yields
different results on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean because different
language versions of Excel convert the same text values differently.

If you enter/paste/import numeric text values into your Calc document,
Calc behaves correctly and consistently. You may convert these values if
they are wrong (no, formatting doesn't change any values) and you can
explicitly convert these values by means of the VALUE function. But you
can not SUM up any text.

Cheers to all the pesky trolls kidding the dev mailing list with
childish rants about non-issues,

Andreas

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Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 24.10.2014 um 09:59 schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
 On 24/10/14 07:54, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
 Hello,
 For example:
 http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Berliner-Finanzaemter-wechseln-zurueck-auf-Microsoft-Office-2430961.html

 
 I believe a decision like the one in Berlin is always political
 motivated. See for example the upcoming discussion about the same topic
 in Munich after changes in the administration.
 
 Juergen
 

Hi,

The article on heise.de says it all. They exchange data through office
documents; and they don't want to fall behind ... whatever bleeding edge
[contradiction in itself].
Oh, of course they need MS Office for security reasons ... WTF?

A full featured OOXML suite exists. It costs some money and it should
always be used when OOXML is required. Your business opportunities are
the same as with ODF. Today virtually everybody writes filters and
parsers for OOXML but not for ODF.

If ODF were a lost case, both ODF suites would be lost anyway. Writing
another full featured OOXML suite would be a hopeless undertaking
because it is too much to implement differently in no time. Anything
less than full featured would not be accepted, OOXML Strict neiter.
Everything needs to be fully compatible and interoperable with MS
products which implies tight integration into MS operation system and
separation from other OSes. Even if such a product existed, Berlin
authorities would still insist in MS products because Berlin is one of
the most sleazy places in Germany. They don't care about money because
political life in Berlin is a pony farm indeed.


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Re: Access to the list of Autofilter

2014-10-24 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 25.10.2014 um 01:06 schrieb Vladislav Stevanovic:
 Hello,
 
 Is it possible with code in Basic to access to the list of Autofilter data
 in Calc? Reason: filtering with basic is limited maximum with 3 criteria...
 Because I need more then 3 criteria I want with basic code  to use
 filtering capability of Autofilter.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Wlada
 

This is the mailing list of the developers (not macro coders).

Register on the support forum:
 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ucp.php?mode=register

Filter criteria are limited to 8 criteria. No macros can not access the
auto-filter list.

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Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-23 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 23.10.2014 um 06:47 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
 
 I think it's good that we live in a free society and customers have the right 
 to
 see things differently. 
 

Being a customer, I do see things differently. Every OOXML file is a
vote against ODF. One day in future LO will save ODF as a secondary
option. Finally MS wins because LO can not support the same feature set
as MSO does or because MS comes up with the next shit.


 
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Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-22 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 22.10.2014 um 07:03 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
 

 I find it really strange that it seems impossible to find companies that are
 willing to integrate corresponding filter in AOO, as a normal commercial 
 support.
 

If I were in need of an OOXML suite, I would pay for the real one. The
other one is LibreOffice. Nobody needs a third one.


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Re: .mdb file

2014-06-10 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 10.06.2014 18:20, Kenneth Scotland wrote:
 I have one .mdb file, created some years ago using M/S Access.  It is
 
 a personal file concerning my collections.  However, with acquiring new a 
 
 computer, I somehow lost access to Access.  I still have the file, and can
 
 read it.but cannot add items.
 
  
 
 Do you have a program which would help me?
 
  
 

[Tutorial] MS Access and OOo Base
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=83t=25300

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Re: [DISCUSS] possible blog topic -- AOO and Linux: a marriage made in heaven! :)

2014-05-13 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 19.04.2014 01:53, Kay Schenk wrote:
 Ok, maybe the subject is bit melodramatic but after some of the twisted
 things we read about, basically how  non-supportive either AOO is of Linux,
 or Linux is non-supportive of AOO, here's what I'm thinking.
 

Hi,

2 reasons why someone like me may want stick with LibreOffice on Linux:

Show stopper since OOo 3.2, fixed in LO 3.4:
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121312 (Linux/JDBC/Base

Extension destroying all Calc charts on Linux:
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124470 (Report Builder

Greetings,
Andreas Säger

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