Re: [sidebar]Bug 122049: Text displayed on Properties deck when no object is selected
On 4/30/13 8:55 AM, Andre Fischer wrote: > On 29.04.2013 17:46, Juergen Schmidt wrote: >> Am Montag, 29. April 2013 um 09:20 schrieb Andre Fischer: >>> On 24.04.2013 13:12, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi List, I agree that the conent (no content) is not good. What we want the user to do is to select an object or create/insert one, so it would be nice to offer just that. It is a suggestion, but offering insertin of objects may be best. Possibilities for this: (1) Gallery (2) Panel which offers to start DrawObject construction, like in the drawing toolbar We have a panel for (1), but the context switch would need to change the TabBar (instead of reacting on context switch and changing the panels dependent of content). We have no panel for (2), but it may be not too difficult to crreate one. Wouldn't it be nice to have/show that panel for other apps, too? It could show the draw object creators as ToolBars with useful groups, but some of this vertically, thus offering a much more direct selection which object creation to start than the current Draw toolbar offers... Maybe too much for 4.0, but... Sincerely, Armin >>> >>> We still need the replacement text when there is no panel. I agree >>> that we should show a property panel for Draw. But there are situations >>> where there is no panel defined. It can even happen as a result of a >>> configuration error. >>> >>> So, does anybody has a better idea than >>> >>> "Please, select an object to access its properties" >>> >>> and >>> >>> "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available for >>> the current selection" >>> >> We should keep in mind that this kind of changes means some extra work >> to update the translation sources. >> >> It's possible but if at all we will probably update the files only >> ones. This means we have to define a deadline for this kind of changes. > > Would the end of the week be OK? yes, I think that would be ok. I will update at the beginning of next week the translation sources. Juergen > > -Andre > >> >> Juergen >>> ? >>> -Andre >>> On 24.04.2013 09:37, Andre Fischer wrote: > On 23.04.2013 21:43, RGB ES wrote: >> From enhancement request 122049 >> >> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122049 >> >> With the sidebar enabled, on a Draw document with no object selected >> the >> Properties deck shows no controls and only displays the following >> text >> >> "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available >> in the >> sidebar at this time" >> >> This text is a bit misleading, because it is not clear that you only >> need >> to select an object to see something there. >> >> I'm no native English speaker so I'm not able to provide a good >> alternative >> for that text. Something like >> >> "Please, select an object to access its properties" >> >> comes to my mind, but for sure there is a better wording. >> Suggestions? >> >> Regards >> Ricardo >> > Thanks for starting this discussion. What about this: > > "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available > for the current selection" > > -Andre > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- ALG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [sidebar]Bug 122049: Text displayed on Properties deck when no object is selected
On 29.04.2013 17:46, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Am Montag, 29. April 2013 um 09:20 schrieb Andre Fischer: On 24.04.2013 13:12, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi List, I agree that the conent (no content) is not good. What we want the user to do is to select an object or create/insert one, so it would be nice to offer just that. It is a suggestion, but offering insertin of objects may be best. Possibilities for this: (1) Gallery (2) Panel which offers to start DrawObject construction, like in the drawing toolbar We have a panel for (1), but the context switch would need to change the TabBar (instead of reacting on context switch and changing the panels dependent of content). We have no panel for (2), but it may be not too difficult to crreate one. Wouldn't it be nice to have/show that panel for other apps, too? It could show the draw object creators as ToolBars with useful groups, but some of this vertically, thus offering a much more direct selection which object creation to start than the current Draw toolbar offers... Maybe too much for 4.0, but... Sincerely, Armin We still need the replacement text when there is no panel. I agree that we should show a property panel for Draw. But there are situations where there is no panel defined. It can even happen as a result of a configuration error. So, does anybody has a better idea than "Please, select an object to access its properties" and "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available for the current selection" We should keep in mind that this kind of changes means some extra work to update the translation sources. It's possible but if at all we will probably update the files only ones. This means we have to define a deadline for this kind of changes. Would the end of the week be OK? -Andre Juergen ? -Andre On 24.04.2013 09:37, Andre Fischer wrote: On 23.04.2013 21:43, RGB ES wrote: From enhancement request 122049 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122049 With the sidebar enabled, on a Draw document with no object selected the Properties deck shows no controls and only displays the following text "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available in the sidebar at this time" This text is a bit misleading, because it is not clear that you only need to select an object to see something there. I'm no native English speaker so I'm not able to provide a good alternative for that text. Something like "Please, select an object to access its properties" comes to my mind, but for sure there is a better wording. Suggestions? Regards Ricardo Thanks for starting this discussion. What about this: "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available for the current selection" -Andre - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- ALG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [sidebar]Bug 122049: Text displayed on Properties deck when no object is selected
Am Montag, 29. April 2013 um 09:20 schrieb Andre Fischer: > On 24.04.2013 13:12, Armin Le Grand wrote: > > Hi List, > > > > I agree that the conent (no content) is not good. What we want the > > user to do is to select an object or create/insert one, so it would be > > nice to offer just that. It is a suggestion, but offering insertin of > > objects may be best. Possibilities for this: > > > > (1) Gallery > > (2) Panel which offers to start DrawObject construction, like in the > > drawing toolbar > > > > We have a panel for (1), but the context switch would need to change > > the TabBar (instead of reacting on context switch and changing the > > panels dependent of content). > > > > We have no panel for (2), but it may be not too difficult to crreate > > one. Wouldn't it be nice to have/show that panel for other apps, too? > > It could show the draw object creators as ToolBars with useful groups, > > but some of this vertically, thus offering a much more direct > > selection which object creation to start than the current Draw toolbar > > offers... > > > > Maybe too much for 4.0, but... > > > > Sincerely, > > Armin > > > > > We still need the replacement text when there is no panel. I agree > that we should show a property panel for Draw. But there are situations > where there is no panel defined. It can even happen as a result of a > configuration error. > > So, does anybody has a better idea than > > "Please, select an object to access its properties" > > and > > "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available for > the current selection" > We should keep in mind that this kind of changes means some extra work to update the translation sources. It's possible but if at all we will probably update the files only ones. This means we have to define a deadline for this kind of changes. Juergen > > ? > -Andre > > > > > On 24.04.2013 09:37, Andre Fischer wrote: > > > On 23.04.2013 21:43, RGB ES wrote: > > > > From enhancement request 122049 > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122049 > > > > > > > > With the sidebar enabled, on a Draw document with no object selected > > > > the > > > > Properties deck shows no controls and only displays the following text > > > > > > > > "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available > > > > in the > > > > sidebar at this time" > > > > > > > > This text is a bit misleading, because it is not clear that you only > > > > need > > > > to select an object to see something there. > > > > > > > > I'm no native English speaker so I'm not able to provide a good > > > > alternative > > > > for that text. Something like > > > > > > > > "Please, select an object to access its properties" > > > > > > > > comes to my mind, but for sure there is a better wording. Suggestions? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for starting this discussion. What about this: > > > > > > "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available > > > for the current selection" > > > > > > -Andre > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > > > -- > > ALG > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: [sidebar]Bug 122049: Text displayed on Properties deck when no object is selected
On 24.04.2013 13:12, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi List, I agree that the conent (no content) is not good. What we want the user to do is to select an object or create/insert one, so it would be nice to offer just that. It is a suggestion, but offering insertin of objects may be best. Possibilities for this: (1) Gallery (2) Panel which offers to start DrawObject construction, like in the drawing toolbar We have a panel for (1), but the context switch would need to change the TabBar (instead of reacting on context switch and changing the panels dependent of content). We have no panel for (2), but it may be not too difficult to crreate one. Wouldn't it be nice to have/show that panel for other apps, too? It could show the draw object creators as ToolBars with useful groups, but some of this vertically, thus offering a much more direct selection which object creation to start than the current Draw toolbar offers... Maybe too much for 4.0, but... Sincerely, Armin We still need the replacement text when there is no panel. I agree that we should show a property panel for Draw. But there are situations where there is no panel defined. It can even happen as a result of a configuration error. So, does anybody has a better idea than "Please, select an object to access its properties" and "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available for the current selection" ? -Andre On 24.04.2013 09:37, Andre Fischer wrote: On 23.04.2013 21:43, RGB ES wrote: From enhancement request 122049 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122049 With the sidebar enabled, on a Draw document with no object selected the Properties deck shows no controls and only displays the following text "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available in the sidebar at this time" This text is a bit misleading, because it is not clear that you only need to select an object to see something there. I'm no native English speaker so I'm not able to provide a good alternative for that text. Something like "Please, select an object to access its properties" comes to my mind, but for sure there is a better wording. Suggestions? Regards Ricardo Thanks for starting this discussion. What about this: "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available for the current selection" -Andre - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- ALG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [sidebar]Bug 122049: Text displayed on Properties deck when no object is selected
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 01:12:40PM +0200, Armin Le Grand wrote: > Hi List, > > I agree that the conent (no content) is not good. What we want the > user to do is to select an object or create/insert one, so it would > be nice to offer just that. It is a suggestion, but offering > insertin of objects may be best. Possibilities for this: > > (1) Gallery > (2) Panel which offers to start DrawObject construction, like in the > drawing toolbar > > We have a panel for (1), but the context switch would need to change > the TabBar (instead of reacting on context switch and changing the > panels dependent of content). > > We have no panel for (2), but it may be not too difficult to crreate > one. Wouldn't it be nice to have/show that panel for other apps, > too? It could show the draw object creators as ToolBars with useful > groups, but some of this vertically, thus offering a much more > direct selection which object creation to start than the current > Draw toolbar offers... > > Maybe too much for 4.0, but... Option (2) looks like http://www.libre-software.net/sites/default/files/eva/2008%2005%20-%20Redoffice%20review/2008%2005%20-%20RedOffice%20-%20Screenshot%2012%20Shapes.png RedOffice 4 Beta came with a side panel, whole article http://www.libre-software.net/redoffice-review-chinese-office-suite Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpiBy3Tpcgdr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [sidebar]Bug 122049: Text displayed on Properties deck when no object is selected
Hi List, I agree that the conent (no content) is not good. What we want the user to do is to select an object or create/insert one, so it would be nice to offer just that. It is a suggestion, but offering insertin of objects may be best. Possibilities for this: (1) Gallery (2) Panel which offers to start DrawObject construction, like in the drawing toolbar We have a panel for (1), but the context switch would need to change the TabBar (instead of reacting on context switch and changing the panels dependent of content). We have no panel for (2), but it may be not too difficult to crreate one. Wouldn't it be nice to have/show that panel for other apps, too? It could show the draw object creators as ToolBars with useful groups, but some of this vertically, thus offering a much more direct selection which object creation to start than the current Draw toolbar offers... Maybe too much for 4.0, but... Sincerely, Armin On 24.04.2013 09:37, Andre Fischer wrote: On 23.04.2013 21:43, RGB ES wrote: From enhancement request 122049 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122049 With the sidebar enabled, on a Draw document with no object selected the Properties deck shows no controls and only displays the following text "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available in the sidebar at this time" This text is a bit misleading, because it is not clear that you only need to select an object to see something there. I'm no native English speaker so I'm not able to provide a good alternative for that text. Something like "Please, select an object to access its properties" comes to my mind, but for sure there is a better wording. Suggestions? Regards Ricardo Thanks for starting this discussion. What about this: "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available for the current selection" -Andre - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- ALG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [sidebar]Bug 122049: Text displayed on Properties deck when no object is selected
On 23.04.2013 21:43, RGB ES wrote: From enhancement request 122049 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122049 With the sidebar enabled, on a Draw document with no object selected the Properties deck shows no controls and only displays the following text "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available in the sidebar at this time" This text is a bit misleading, because it is not clear that you only need to select an object to see something there. I'm no native English speaker so I'm not able to provide a good alternative for that text. Something like "Please, select an object to access its properties" comes to my mind, but for sure there is a better wording. Suggestions? Regards Ricardo Thanks for starting this discussion. What about this: "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available for the current selection" -Andre - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[sidebar]Bug 122049: Text displayed on Properties deck when no object is selected
>From enhancement request 122049 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122049 With the sidebar enabled, on a Draw document with no object selected the Properties deck shows no controls and only displays the following text "Properties for the task that you are performing are not available in the sidebar at this time" This text is a bit misleading, because it is not clear that you only need to select an object to see something there. I'm no native English speaker so I'm not able to provide a good alternative for that text. Something like "Please, select an object to access its properties" comes to my mind, but for sure there is a better wording. Suggestions? Regards Ricardo
