Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.orgwrote: Tal Daniel wrote: I used only Level 2 languages, as specified at the Native Language page (http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html). That page is outdated. [...] The best thing to do is to start with the 38 released languages, with the same names we use in other.html. [...] The other languages should be reachable through an Other link, last in drop-drown, leading to the native-lang.html page. DONE. Thanks for this idea. I've fixed the language selection dropdown to ~38 supported languages, as you recommended. Removed Khmer and English UK, which weren't supported. To fix accessibility too, Language: could be turned into a simple link (a.../a tag) pointing to native-lang.html too. Maybe we'll do that in the future, but I'm almost sure Select is accessible for screen readers and keyboard navigation. Note: the staging site http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/ can be published to the main site any time [...] so it's better to use the test area at http://www.openoffice.org/test/. Thanks; I'm aware of that Andrea. I had no choice, since I had to tweak the global brand.html template, after I didn't find a way to override it in localized sites. I published it in the global template only after testing it a bit at the Hebrew site, first.
Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
On 05/14/2014 12:20 AM, Tal Daniel wrote: I'm working on language select dropdown, and suggest it on the staging site. Marcus, I find it impossible to override the templates/brand.html in localized sites. Does anyone know how to do it? If not, I'll publish the dropdown on the english staging site. Tal -- You can create a localized brand.mdtext directly in a subdirectory for your purposes, and this will convert to brand.html for a given directory. I'm not sure if this is what you're trying to do. see, e.g. the structure of http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/zh/ -- or -- http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/zh-cn/ On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 05/13/2014 05:56 PM, schrieb Tal Daniel: On 13 May Tal Daniel wrote: I'd like to suggest to replace the Native Language link, on www.openoffice.org menu to a more visible dropbox. E.g. Product | Download | ... | Lanauge: [English ] I believe users are more accustomed to select their language from a select box, rather than clicking native language (I remember I had a hard time, as a beginner OpenOffice site visitor to understand what does this link mean). This would also allow faster move to a translated version of the site, for people who prefer to read it in their language. + Another suggestion is to move the suggested dropdown box above the menu bar, somewhere near the search box. +1 On Tue, May 13 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Andrea can probably correct me here but long ago we did in fact want to use the drop down menu. The issue, then, if not now, was that the tools available were thought not generally in use by visitors to the site. The usual rule of thumb for making things easier for users is to see what the more popular sites do (that seems to work, of course) and emulate it. Some examples, to show that a dropdown, or auto redirection ARE common practice nowadays: * Mozilla.com redirects by browser language to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/and has a dropdown box on the bottom of page (that's surprising), just in case [they were wrong]. * Microsoft.com redirects by IP (country) to http://www.microsoft.com/he-il/default.aspx and has a link Israel - Hebrew [Earth icon] on the bottom of the page, just in case [they were wrong]. * Adobe.com stays in English, but opens a popup with an offer to be redirected to a regional website. Oh Marcus, Marcus... where are you when I need your skills the most :) ahm, I'm not here. ;-) Honestly, I would like to get the download feature finished first, before I start another website change as my time for AOO is very limited. However, if you have some HTML/JS/CSS skills you could try yourself: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ Update its content with a current copy of the http://www.openoffice.org/ index.html page(s) and just start. If something gets broken, then only in the test/ area which nobody bothers. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
I'm working on language select dropdown, and suggest it on the staging site. Marcus, I find it impossible to override the templates/brand.html in localized sites. Does anyone know how to do it? If not, I'll publish the dropdown on the english staging site. On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 05/13/2014 05:56 PM, schrieb Tal Daniel: On 13 May Tal Daniel wrote: I'd like to suggest to replace the Native Language link, on www.openoffice.org menu to a more visible dropbox. E.g. Product | Download | ... | Lanauge: [English ] I believe users are more accustomed to select their language from a select box, rather than clicking native language (I remember I had a hard time, as a beginner OpenOffice site visitor to understand what does this link mean). This would also allow faster move to a translated version of the site, for people who prefer to read it in their language. + Another suggestion is to move the suggested dropdown box above the menu bar, somewhere near the search box. +1 On Tue, May 13 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Andrea can probably correct me here but long ago we did in fact want to use the drop down menu. The issue, then, if not now, was that the tools available were thought not generally in use by visitors to the site. The usual rule of thumb for making things easier for users is to see what the more popular sites do (that seems to work, of course) and emulate it. Some examples, to show that a dropdown, or auto redirection ARE common practice nowadays: * Mozilla.com redirects by browser language to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/and has a dropdown box on the bottom of page (that's surprising), just in case [they were wrong]. * Microsoft.com redirects by IP (country) to http://www.microsoft.com/he-il/default.aspx and has a link Israel - Hebrew [Earth icon] on the bottom of the page, just in case [they were wrong]. * Adobe.com stays in English, but opens a popup with an offer to be redirected to a regional website. Oh Marcus, Marcus... where are you when I need your skills the most :) ahm, I'm not here. ;-) Honestly, I would like to get the download feature finished first, before I start another website change as my time for AOO is very limited. However, if you have some HTML/JS/CSS skills you could try yourself: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ Update its content with a current copy of the http://www.openoffice.org/ index.html page(s) and just start. If something gets broken, then only in the test/ area which nobody bothers. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- טל
Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
Tal Daniel wrote: I'd like to suggest to replace the Native Language link, on www.openoffice.org menu to a more visible dropbox. ... + Another suggestion is to move the suggested dropdown box above the menu bar, somewhere near the search box. Totally agree. This is one of the easy tasks I suggest to newcomers from time to time, but it hasn't happened yet. The JavaScript drop-down should not list all available languages from http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/ but only those that are maintained. Anyway, this is a trivial enhancement once the structure is there. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
On Tue, May 13, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Tal Daniel wrote: I'd like to suggest to replace the Native Language link, on www.openoffice.org menu to a more visible dropbox. ... Totally agree. [...] The JavaScript drop-down should not list all available languages [...] but only those that are maintained. Update: I've sent a separate email with a test dropdown box for languages. I used only Level 2 languages, as specified at the Native Language page (http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html). + Since the NL page was last updated in 2010, don't you think that we should start with English only dropdown, and add languages by request of active translation communities? Tal
Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
Tal Daniel wrote: Update: I've sent a separate email with a test dropdown box for languages. Looks good! I used only Level 2 languages, as specified at the Native Language page (http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html). That page is outdated. There are no Level 1 and Level 2 languages. The best thing to do is to start with the 38 released languages, with the same names we use in other.html. Some will have to be removed, some will have to be added, and we'll bring this to the l10n list. But for the 38 released languages we are sure that we have active volunteers on the l10n list. The other languages should be reachable through an Other link, last in drop-drown, leading to the native-lang.html page. To fix accessibility too, Language: could be turned into a simple link (a.../a tag) pointing to native-lang.html too. Note: the staging site http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/ can be published to the main site any time (if I need to change a word in the homepage now, I will have to publish your changes too since we are on the same file). So if something is just a test, it's better to use the test area at http://www.openoffice.org/test/ ; in this case it's OK to use staging, but keep in mind that it can be published any time by any committer and that one may be forced to publish it in order to show other changes, so it's better to keep it in good shape. + Since the NL page was last updated in 2010, don't you think that we should start with English only dropdown, and add languages by request of active translation communities? This may be another option. But the released languages are probably a better approximation, so that we can then check them and see what languages need update. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
On 13/05/2014 12:44, Tal Daniel wrote: I'd like to suggest to replace the Native Language link, on www.openoffice.org menu to a more visible dropbox. E.g. Product | Download | ... | Lanauge: [English ] I believe users are more accustomed to select their language from a select box, rather than clicking native language (I remember I had a hard time, as a beginner OpenOffice site visitor to understand what does this link mean). This would also allow faster move to a translated version of the site, for people who prefer to read it in their language. + Another suggestion is to move the suggested dropdown box above the menu bar, somewhere near the search box. Tal +1 for both ideas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
I'd like to suggest to replace the Native Language link, on www.openoffice.org menu to a more visible dropbox. E.g. Product | Download | ... | Lanauge: [English ] I believe users are more accustomed to select their language from a select box, rather than clicking native language (I remember I had a hard time, as a beginner OpenOffice site visitor to understand what does this link mean). This would also allow faster move to a translated version of the site, for people who prefer to read it in their language. + Another suggestion is to move the suggested dropdown box above the menu bar, somewhere near the search box. Tal
Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
On 13 May 2014, at 05:44, Tal Daniel tal.re...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to suggest to replace the Native Language link, on www.openoffice.org menu to a more visible dropbox. E.g. Product | Download | ... | Lanauge: [English ] I believe users are more accustomed to select their language from a select box, rather than clicking native language (I remember I had a hard time, as a beginner OpenOffice site visitor to understand what does this link mean). This would also allow faster move to a translated version of the site, for people who prefer to read it in their language. + Another suggestion is to move the suggested dropdown box above the menu bar, somewhere near the search box. Tal Andrea can probably correct me here but long ago we did in fact want to use the drop down menu. The issue, then, if not now, was that the tools available were thought not generally in use by visitors to the site. The usual rule of thumb for making things easier for users is to see what the more popular sites do (that seems to work, of course) and emulate it. -louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
On 13 May 2014, at 11:56, Tal Daniel tal.re...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May Tal Daniel wrote: I'd like to suggest to replace the Native Language link, on www.openoffice.org menu to a more visible dropbox. E.g. Product | Download | ... | Lanauge: [English ] I believe users are more accustomed to select their language from a select box, rather than clicking native language (I remember I had a hard time, as a beginner OpenOffice site visitor to understand what does this link mean). This would also allow faster move to a translated version of the site, for people who prefer to read it in their language. + Another suggestion is to move the suggested dropdown box above the menu bar, somewhere near the search box. On Tue, May 13 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Andrea can probably correct me here but long ago we did in fact want to use the drop down menu. The issue, then, if not now, was that the tools available were thought not generally in use by visitors to the site. The usual rule of thumb for making things easier for users is to see what the more popular sites do (that seems to work, of course) and emulate it. Some examples, to show that a dropdown, or auto redirection ARE common practice nowadays: * Mozilla.com redirects by browser language to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/and has a dropdown box on the bottom of page (that's surprising), just in case [they were wrong]. * Microsoft.com redirects by IP (country) to http://www.microsoft.com/he-il/default.aspx and has a link Israel - Hebrew [Earth icon] on the bottom of the page, just in case [they were wrong]. * Adobe.com stays in English, but opens a popup with an offer to be redirected to a regional website. Oh Marcus, Marcus... where are you when I need your skills the most :) Tal The MSFT example can be perhaps interpreted as an instance of what not to do, despite so many doing it. (I age visibly after working my way through MSFT sites.) :-) The JS for this, if this behaviour is what is wanted, is not that hard. What I did before, is a) go into the source or developer version of the page, as represented by any major browser; b) then copy the JavaScript or whatever; c) Search for redirect by IP code for webpage and copy and plug in to the page. Then d), test. But this is hacking in its crudest form. :-) louis PS the Why page also had a much neater redirect; not sure it's still there. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change Native Language to Dropdown/select box
On 13 May Tal Daniel wrote: I'd like to suggest to replace the Native Language link, on www.openoffice.org menu to a more visible dropbox. E.g. Product | Download | ... | Lanauge: [English ] I believe users are more accustomed to select their language from a select box, rather than clicking native language (I remember I had a hard time, as a beginner OpenOffice site visitor to understand what does this link mean). This would also allow faster move to a translated version of the site, for people who prefer to read it in their language. + Another suggestion is to move the suggested dropdown box above the menu bar, somewhere near the search box. On Tue, May 13 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Andrea can probably correct me here but long ago we did in fact want to use the drop down menu. The issue, then, if not now, was that the tools available were thought not generally in use by visitors to the site. The usual rule of thumb for making things easier for users is to see what the more popular sites do (that seems to work, of course) and emulate it. Some examples, to show that a dropdown, or auto redirection ARE common practice nowadays: * Mozilla.com redirects by browser language to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/and has a dropdown box on the bottom of page (that's surprising), just in case [they were wrong]. * Microsoft.com redirects by IP (country) to http://www.microsoft.com/he-il/default.aspx and has a link Israel - Hebrew [Earth icon] on the bottom of the page, just in case [they were wrong]. * Adobe.com stays in English, but opens a popup with an offer to be redirected to a regional website. Oh Marcus, Marcus... where are you when I need your skills the most :) Tal
