Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

2013-04-10 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Rob Weir wrote:

My proposed landing page is here:
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html


The page and the strategy are good. I wonder what the best timing is (I 
don't have an answer).


Between now and 4.0 (but possibly all within 10 days or so) we will see 
the following l10n-relevant changes:


1) Strings to be translated: OpenOffice 3.4.1 - OpenOffice 4.0

2) New Pootle server (which might offer good performance and, after 
discussion, the possibility to register non-committers accounts)


3) Strings refactoring (40 PO files instead of 240)

4) New internal localization process, i.e., how we integrate PO files. 
This is less visible for translators, anyway,


Starting the call immediately and then having at least three major 
workflow changes would be problematic. So what I don't know is the 
order/timeframe of actions 1-3. Can anyone make an estimate? If it makes 
sense (i.e., if we have plans for major changes in the very near future) 
we might want to do one or more of these actions before issuing a large 
call for volunteers.


Regards,
  Andrea.


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Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

2013-04-09 Thread Rob Weir
We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo 3.3.0
users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their language
is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.

My proposed landing page is here:
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html

Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
the languages that are more than 90% complete.

Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.

Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to clients
via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one of the
highlighted languages.

Regards,

-Rob


Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

2013-04-09 Thread janI
On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
3.3.0
 users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
language
 is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.

 My proposed landing page is here:
 http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html

 Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
 the languages that are more than 90% complete.

 Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to a
full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.

you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0 so
no language is 100%.
rgds
jan i

 Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to clients
 via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one of the
 highlighted languages.

 Regards,

 -Rob


Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

2013-04-09 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

 On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
 3.3.0
  users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
 language
  is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
 
  My proposed landing page is here:
  http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
 
  Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
  the languages that are more than 90% complete.
 
  Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
 I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to a
 full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.


I link to Pootle in the last paragraph, and the user can then sort it
however they want.  Note that points to the 3.4 project in Pootle.  I don't
see anything for 4.0.


 you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0 so
 no language is 100%.



Yes, but that will be a different communication via the L10n list, for
languages where we already have translators.  My main focus here is to
reach out via new means to those who, we have not been successful reaching
in other ways.  We'll need to try a few things, mailing list, blog post,
etc.

Regards,

-Rob



 rgds
 jan i
 
  Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to
 clients
  via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one of the
  highlighted languages.
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob



Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

2013-04-09 Thread janI
On Apr 9, 2013 7:05 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

  On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  
   We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
  3.3.0
   users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
  language
   is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
  
   My proposed landing page is here:
   http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
  
   Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I
focused on
   the languages that are more than 90% complete.
  
   Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
  I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to a
  full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.
 
 
 I link to Pootle in the last paragraph, and the user can then sort it
 however they want.  Note that points to the 3.4 project in Pootle.  I
don't
 see anything for 4.0.


  you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0
so
  no language is 100%.
 


 Yes, but that will be a different communication via the L10n list, for
 languages where we already have translators.  My main focus here is to
 reach out via new means to those who, we have not been successful reaching
 in other ways.  We'll need to try a few things, mailing list, blog post,
 etc.

hmmm as far as I know there are no danish translators, our long delay with
3.4.1 costed motivation.

rgds
jan i.

 Regards,

 -Rob



  rgds
  jan i
  
   Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to
  clients
   via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one of
the
   highlighted languages.
  
   Regards,
  
   -Rob
 


Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

2013-04-09 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:10 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

 On Apr 9, 2013 7:05 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
 
   On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
   
We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
   3.3.0
users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
   language
is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
   
My proposed landing page is here:
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
   
Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I
 focused on
the languages that are more than 90% complete.
   
Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
   I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to
 a
   full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.
  
  
  I link to Pootle in the last paragraph, and the user can then sort it
  however they want.  Note that points to the 3.4 project in Pootle.  I
 don't
  see anything for 4.0.
 
 
   you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0
 so
   no language is 100%.
  
 
 
  Yes, but that will be a different communication via the L10n list, for
  languages where we already have translators.  My main focus here is to
  reach out via new means to those who, we have not been successful
 reaching
  in other ways.  We'll need to try a few things, mailing list, blog post,
  etc.

 hmmm as far as I know there are no danish translators, our long delay with
 3.4.1 costed motivation.


Regardless, this page is for languages not supported in AOO 3.4.1.  Thus
the opening paragraph mentioning that they are running an older version of
OpenOffice.org.We'll reach out to translators for Danish and other
languages already supported via other means.  It will be far easier to
motivate existing translators familiar with the process than to onboard
someone who has never done this kind of thing before. So it does not make
sense to recruit for Danish via a universal appeal, at least not initially.

-Rob



 rgds
 jan i.
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob
 
 
 
   rgds
   jan i
   
Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to
   clients
via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one of
 the
highlighted languages.
   
Regards,
   
-Rob