Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-05-26 Thread Peter Junge 

On 2013年05月16日 05:07, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

On 14/05/2013 janI wrote:

I have, during my time with infra, learned that asking is a good way to
start an issue and get imidiate feedback, and then create a jira.


The feedback hasn't arrived yet, but I have now created a JIRA issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6282


Thanks a lot.

Peter

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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-05-15 Thread Andrea Pescetti 

On 14/05/2013 janI wrote:

I have, during my time with infra, learned that asking is a good way to
start an issue and get imidiate feedback, and then create a jira.


The feedback hasn't arrived yet, but I have now created a JIRA issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6282

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-05-14 Thread janI 
On 14 May 2013 13:10, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 14/05/2013 Peter Junge wrote:
>
>> "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
 see
 responses to your email. Read all the messages sent to the list here
  or subscribe by clicking here".

>>> Did someone ever file an issue or checked out if the proposed solution
>> works for infra?
>>
>
> I did, twice (asked Infra on 21 April, asked again on 1 May). The answer
> is... Well, obviously, if I had received an answer, I would have reported
> it here!
>

I have, during my time with infra, learned that asking is a good way to
start an issue and get imidiate feedback, and then create a jira. The jiras
are being monitored and pops up unpleasantly when not responded to within a
timeframe

>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-05-14 Thread Andrea Pescetti 

On 14/05/2013 Peter Junge wrote:

"You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
see
responses to your email. Read all the messages sent to the list here
 or subscribe by clicking here".

Did someone ever file an issue or checked out if the proposed solution
works for infra?


I did, twice (asked Infra on 21 April, asked again on 1 May). The answer 
is... Well, obviously, if I had received an answer, I would have 
reported it here!


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-05-14 Thread Dave Barton 
 Original Message  
From: janI 
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:38:59 +0200

> On 14 May 2013 11:31, Peter Junge  wrote:
> 
>> On 4/16/2013 11:04 AM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/16/2013 7:19 AM, RGB ES wrote:
>>>
 2013/4/16 Donald Whytock 

  On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock 
> wrote:
>
>  When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an
>> autoresponse
>> that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might
>> not
>> see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!"?
>>
>>
>>  Far as I can tell, the answer is no.  Is this something that can be
> done?
>
>
 I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people
 will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better message
 could be "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
 see
 responses to your email.  Read all the messages sent to the list here
  or subscribe by clicking here".

>>>
>>> Very good idea.
>>>
>>
>> Did someone ever file an issue or checked out if the proposed solution
>> works for infra?
>>
> 
> I cannot find an open jira issue, so problaly not. There has been a couple
> of mail threads with infra to the subject.
> 
> I think the right way would be to file an issue, not with the discussion,
> but with the outcome and a request for it to be implemented.
> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> 
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>> Peter
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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-05-14 Thread Dave Barton 
 Original Message  
From: Peter Junge 
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:31:24 +0800

> On 4/16/2013 11:04 AM, Peter Junge wrote:
>> On 4/16/2013 7:19 AM, RGB ES wrote:
>>> 2013/4/16 Donald Whytock 
>>>
 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock 
 wrote:

> When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an
> autoresponse
> that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might
> not
> see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!"?
>
>
 Far as I can tell, the answer is no.  Is this something that can be
 done?

>>>
>>> I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people
>>> will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better
>>> message
>>> could be "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
>>> see
>>> responses to your email.  Read all the messages sent to the list here
>>>  or subscribe by clicking here".
>>
>> Very good idea.
> 
> Did someone ever file an issue or checked out if the proposed solution
> works for infra?
> 
> Best regards,
> Peter
> 
> 
>>
>> Peter
>>
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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-05-14 Thread janI 
On 14 May 2013 11:31, Peter Junge  wrote:

> On 4/16/2013 11:04 AM, Peter Junge wrote:
>
>> On 4/16/2013 7:19 AM, RGB ES wrote:
>>
>>> 2013/4/16 Donald Whytock 
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock 
 wrote:

  When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an
> autoresponse
> that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might
> not
> see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!"?
>
>
>  Far as I can tell, the answer is no.  Is this something that can be
 done?


>>> I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people
>>> will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better message
>>> could be "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
>>> see
>>> responses to your email.  Read all the messages sent to the list here
>>>  or subscribe by clicking here".
>>>
>>
>> Very good idea.
>>
>
> Did someone ever file an issue or checked out if the proposed solution
> works for infra?
>

I cannot find an open jira issue, so problaly not. There has been a couple
of mail threads with infra to the subject.

I think the right way would be to file an issue, not with the discussion,
but with the outcome and a request for it to be implemented.

rgds
jan I.

>
> Best regards,
> Peter
>
>
>
>> Peter
>>
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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-05-14 Thread Peter Junge 

On 4/16/2013 11:04 AM, Peter Junge wrote:

On 4/16/2013 7:19 AM, RGB ES wrote:

2013/4/16 Donald Whytock 


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock 
wrote:


When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an
autoresponse
that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might
not
see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!"?



Far as I can tell, the answer is no.  Is this something that can be
done?



I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people
will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better message
could be "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
see
responses to your email.  Read all the messages sent to the list here
 or subscribe by clicking here".


Very good idea.


Did someone ever file an issue or checked out if the proposed solution 
works for infra?


Best regards,
Peter




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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Junge 

On 4/16/2013 7:19 AM, RGB ES wrote:

2013/4/16 Donald Whytock 


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock 
wrote:


When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an autoresponse
that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!"?



Far as I can tell, the answer is no.  Is this something that can be done?



I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people
will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better message
could be "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not see
responses to your email.  Read all the messages sent to the list here
 or subscribe by clicking here".


Very good idea.

Peter

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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-04-15 Thread Donald Whytock 
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:19 PM, RGB ES  wrote:

> 2013/4/16 Donald Whytock 
>
> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an
> autoresponse
> > > that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might
> not
> > > see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!"?
> > >
> > >
> > Far as I can tell, the answer is no.  Is this something that can be done?
> >
>
> I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people
> will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better message
> could be "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not see
> responses to your email.  Read all the messages sent to the list here
>  or subscribe by clicking here".
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>

Okay, I got back the rejected-by-moderator message.  Is there an
accepted-by-moderator message?  If so, I'd guess that'd be the place for
Ricardo's text.

Don

Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-04-15 Thread RGB ES 
2013/4/16 Donald Whytock 

> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock 
> wrote:
>
> > When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an autoresponse
> > that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
> > see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!"?
> >
> >
> Far as I can tell, the answer is no.  Is this something that can be done?
>

I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people
will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better message
could be "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not see
responses to your email.  Read all the messages sent to the list here
 or subscribe by clicking here".

Regards
Ricardo

Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-04-15 Thread Donald Whytock 
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock  wrote:

> When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an autoresponse
> that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
> see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!"?
>
>
Far as I can tell, the answer is no.  Is this something that can be done?

Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-04-15 Thread Donald Whytock 
When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an autoresponse
that says, "You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!"?

Don


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Andrea Pescetti  >wrote:
>
> > On 14/04/2013 Peter Junge wrote:
> >
> >> I know we had discussions like this before but I'm not able to find them
> >> in the archives.
> >>
> >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/**
> > 201301.mbox/%3C896645663.**148630.1358320486313.JavaMail.**
> > www@wwinf8211%3E<
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201301.mbox/%3C896645663.148630.1358320486313.JavaMail.www@wwinf8211%3E
> >
> >
> >
> >  Senders of moderated messages are often missing replies because they go
> >> to mailing list only. AFAIR, technical solutions proposed so far weren't
> >> accepted. Did we already consider to ask infra to change the 'Reply-To'
> >> header form '{MAILING_LIST}' to '{MAILING_LIST}; {ORIGINAL_POSTER}'?
> >> This would force mail clients to include the OP as recipient.
> >>
> >
> > It is one of the options already discussed there and not considered
> > feasible by Infra.
> >
> >
> The easiest option:  If you are responding to someone who is not a
> "regular" on the list, then just copy their name into the To or CC fields.
> Worst case they get two copies of the email.  But if you fail to do this,
> then one of two worse things happen:
>
> a) they never see your response and you've just wasted your time responding
>
> b) someone else notices that you did not include the poster in the response
> and forwards your response, so now 420 people on the list have two copies
> of your note.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-04-15 Thread Rob Weir 
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> On 14/04/2013 Peter Junge wrote:
>
>> I know we had discussions like this before but I'm not able to find them
>> in the archives.
>>
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/**
> 201301.mbox/%3C896645663.**148630.1358320486313.JavaMail.**
> www@wwinf8211%3E
>
>
>  Senders of moderated messages are often missing replies because they go
>> to mailing list only. AFAIR, technical solutions proposed so far weren't
>> accepted. Did we already consider to ask infra to change the 'Reply-To'
>> header form '{MAILING_LIST}' to '{MAILING_LIST}; {ORIGINAL_POSTER}'?
>> This would force mail clients to include the OP as recipient.
>>
>
> It is one of the options already discussed there and not considered
> feasible by Infra.
>
>
The easiest option:  If you are responding to someone who is not a
"regular" on the list, then just copy their name into the To or CC fields.
Worst case they get two copies of the email.  But if you fail to do this,
then one of two worse things happen:

a) they never see your response and you've just wasted your time responding

b) someone else notices that you did not include the poster in the response
and forwards your response, so now 420 people on the list have two copies
of your note.

-Rob



> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-04-15 Thread Andrea Pescetti 

On 14/04/2013 Peter Junge wrote:

I know we had discussions like this before but I'm not able to find them
in the archives.


http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201301.mbox/%3C896645663.148630.1358320486313.JavaMail.www@wwinf8211%3E


Senders of moderated messages are often missing replies because they go
to mailing list only. AFAIR, technical solutions proposed so far weren't
accepted. Did we already consider to ask infra to change the 'Reply-To'
header form '{MAILING_LIST}' to '{MAILING_LIST}; {ORIGINAL_POSTER}'?
This would force mail clients to include the OP as recipient.


It is one of the options already discussed there and not considered 
feasible by Infra.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-04-14 Thread Kay Schenk 
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 1:02 AM, janI  wrote:

> On Apr 14, 2013 5:39 AM, "Peter Junge"  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know we had discussions like this before but I'm not able to find them
> in the archives.
> >
> > Senders of moderated messages are often missing replies because they go
> to mailing list only. AFAIR, technical solutions proposed so far weren't
> accepted. Did we already consider to ask infra to change the 'Reply-To'
> header form '{MAILING_LIST}' to '{MAILING_LIST}; {ORIGINAL_POSTER}'? This
> would force mail clients to include the OP as recipient.
>
> Hi
> I had a quick look at some of the configuration, and I fear if we follow
> your suggestion, we will all get 2 mails. a dev mail and a personal mail.
>
> Problem is that the mailer should do a sort uniq on the sender list before
> sending but it does not. Or check if the original sender is part of the
> maillist, which it also doesnt do.
>
> rgds
> Jan I.
>

Jan is right on this one. Depending on what we use to access email, we can
only guess what the situation is, and review the "original" message before
giving a reply appropriate to the situation. Some e-mail readers are better
at giving "hints" about this than others.

We don't get that many moderated emails to this list. But it does take a
little bit of effort to deal with them.

>
> > Best regards,
> > Peter
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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-04-14 Thread janI 
On Apr 14, 2013 5:39 AM, "Peter Junge"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I know we had discussions like this before but I'm not able to find them
in the archives.
>
> Senders of moderated messages are often missing replies because they go
to mailing list only. AFAIR, technical solutions proposed so far weren't
accepted. Did we already consider to ask infra to change the 'Reply-To'
header form '{MAILING_LIST}' to '{MAILING_LIST}; {ORIGINAL_POSTER}'? This
would force mail clients to include the OP as recipient.

Hi
I had a quick look at some of the configuration, and I fear if we follow
your suggestion, we will all get 2 mails. a dev mail and a personal mail.

Problem is that the mailer should do a sort uniq on the sender list before
sending but it does not. Or check if the original sender is part of the
maillist, which it also doesnt do.

rgds
Jan I.
>
> Best regards,
> Peter
>
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Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

2013-04-13 Thread Peter Junge 

Hi,

I know we had discussions like this before but I'm not able to find them 
in the archives.


Senders of moderated messages are often missing replies because they go 
to mailing list only. AFAIR, technical solutions proposed so far weren't 
accepted. Did we already consider to ask infra to change the 'Reply-To' 
header form '{MAILING_LIST}' to '{MAILING_LIST}; {ORIGINAL_POSTER}'? 
This would force mail clients to include the OP as recipient.


Best regards,
Peter

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