Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-14 Thread Graham Lauder
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote:
  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
  keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
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   On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
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   On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
   keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
   Rob Weir wrote:
   I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration
   guide for AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to
   help, let me know.
  
   Target audience includes:
  
   1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users
   provide their own technical support.
  
   2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS
   Office to OpenOffice
  
   3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some
   guidance on migration strategy
  
   Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see
   if there is anything close that could be updated.   I saw
   that we have a few older versions of this kind of
   document:
  
   1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
   OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)
  
  
  
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf
  
  
  
   2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)
  
  
  
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
  
  
  
   3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)
  
  
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf
  
  
  
   Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
   Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or
   was it generated from the wiki?
  
   I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
   wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.
  
  
   OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without
   wiping out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do
   this?   For example, is it possible to make a copy of this page
   and the subpages?
  
  
  
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
  
  
  
   I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?
  
   -Rob
  
  
   Ack Sorry,  GMail defaults can be a pain... as I was trying to
   say
  
   It shouldn't be too difficult,  I think that you can do this
   using the move tab, you can rename that and the subpages as well
   although that's not a copy per se.
  
   I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert,  if it all turns
   to custard tarts
  
   Cheers GL
  
   Graham;
  
  
   Using the Move command will rename the pages to the new namespace and
   set a redirect on the original to the new pages.
  
   One word of caution. Those pages are covered by the CCBY license. The
   only way I now to redo those pages under an alv2 license would be to
   start over from scratch and not use the prior pages at all. For me it
   makes much more sense to just update the pages with current
   information and keep the license as is. However I bring it up as some
   people have rather strong opinions about using other than the alv2
   license.
  
 
  I don't see a problem building on the existing content, under the
  stated license.  We're not including these guides in a release.  The
  reason for a copy was to preserve the existing material for users
  while a new version is being prepared.  It could take a few weeks to
  do the update and it could be messy day-to-day.
 
  -Rob
 
 
 
 
  OK I've set up a new structure, not sure what the 502 error is, but edits
  seem to be taking in any case, even though the 502 still keeps popping
 up.
 
  The old version has been moved to
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide_2006
 
 
  And I've shifted an editable version to
  https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guide
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guide/Calc_and_Excel
 
 
  I've put a link to the old Guide on the bottom of the front page
 
  I noted that there is no link to the Migration guide on the Documentation
  front page,  Should I link to both versions on there or just the '06
  version.
 
  I just have a couple of subpages that didn't move for some reason to sort
 
  Recommend anyone wanting to contribute use the discussion page and put a
  watch on it so you can keep up with what's going on.
 

 Excellent, thanks.  I'll see you on the discussion pages!

 -Rob


I've made a start on the Main, Introduction and sharing files pages.  I'd
forgotten how unsatisfactory it was, it was a bit of a rushed job after all.
I'm beginning to think that considering the amount of work that is going to
be required to bring it up to scratch that it may be more

Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote:
.
.
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 I've made a start on the Main, Introduction and sharing files pages.  I'd
 forgotten how unsatisfactory it was, it was a bit of a rushed job after all.
 I'm beginning to think that considering the amount of work that is going to
 be required to bring it up to scratch that it may be more sensible just go
 full on with the new guide.
  It would also give us the advantage of it being under the Apache License.



I'm not opposed to starting a new document.  But I'm unlikely to pull
out of my head a comprehensive set of functional differences between
MS Office and AOO and hints for users.  That seems to be the focus of
that wiki page.  In fact I'd even argue that the document is misnamed.
 I'd call it A Guide to Apache OpenOffice for Former Microsoft Office
Users or And End User's guide to Moving from Microsoft Office to
Apache OpenOffice something like that.

Where I could offer more new content would be on the higher level
migration issues, organizational strategies/approaches for migrating.

Regards,

-Rob

 Cheers
 GL







  Cheers
  GL
 
 
   Regards
   Keith
  
  
  
  
   Regards Keith
  
   I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the
   guide. The tasks would be mainly:
  
   1) Update branding, logos, references to websites,
   ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice.
  
   2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
  
   3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g.,
   platforms supported, file filters, etc.
  
   4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in
   AOO.
  
   5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
  
   Any other ideas?
  
   Regards,
  
   -Rob
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-14 Thread Graham Lauder
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote:
 .
 .
 .
 
  I've made a start on the Main, Introduction and sharing files pages.  I'd
  forgotten how unsatisfactory it was, it was a bit of a rushed job after
 all.
  I'm beginning to think that considering the amount of work that is going
 to
  be required to bring it up to scratch that it may be more sensible just
 go
  full on with the new guide.
   It would also give us the advantage of it being under the Apache
 License.
 


 I'm not opposed to starting a new document.  But I'm unlikely to pull
 out of my head a comprehensive set of functional differences between
 MS Office and AOO and hints for users.  That seems to be the focus of
 that wiki page.  In fact I'd even argue that the document is misnamed.
  I'd call it A Guide to Apache OpenOffice for Former Microsoft Office
 Users or And End User's guide to Moving from Microsoft Office to
 Apache OpenOffice something like that.


+1, and in that light it makes it probably more useful to that User set.
 Certainly more so than a document that can be used to ease migration




 Where I could offer more new content would be on the higher level
 migration issues, organizational strategies/approaches for migrating.


Excellent, especially for Large Enterprises.  I've been involved with
migration in Corporate environments but usually only at the implementation
stage and only once at the planning stage and even then it was limited to
driving the senior management team to see the benefits and to get them
behind it.
That particular migration is why I'm so keen to get a decent Migration
Guide.  The move to OOo was successful for over a year and a new head of
ISS came in and bought MSO licenses across the org.  That was not such a
big deal,  the big deal to me is that there was hardly a wimper of
objection from Dept heads.
 My gut feeling is that initially the whole thing was done as means of
reducing licensing penalty exposure.  They had bought a large Govt
Department and had no idea what their IT hardware and software inventory
was.  (I was told not to tell anyone about the migration because they were
very concerned about a BSA audit that could have run into many hundreds of
thousands of dollars in non-compliance penalties). One of the reasons I
hate the idea of us claiming Cost Free.
They went back to MSO easily because the exit from OOo was seen as Cost
Free.  What REALLY peed me off, was that MS got to crow about the shift
back and I had been sworn to secrecy!   So any Corporate Migration Guide
has to honestly assist in cost evaluation of exit strategies in both
directions.  I can estimate but really it's way outside my experience.




Cheers
GL




 Regards,

 -Rob

  Cheers
  GL
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Cheers
   GL
  
  
Regards
Keith
   
   
   
   
Regards Keith
   
I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the
guide. The tasks would be mainly:
   
1) Update branding, logos, references to websites,
ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice.
   
2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
   
3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g.,
platforms supported, file filters, etc.
   
4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in
AOO.
   
5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
   
Any other ideas?
   
Regards,
   
-Rob
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
 keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
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  Graham Lauder wrote:
  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
  On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
  keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
  Rob Weir wrote:
  I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration
  guide for AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to
  help, let me know.
 
  Target audience includes:
 
  1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users
  provide their own technical support.
 
  2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS
  Office to OpenOffice
 
  3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some
  guidance on migration strategy
 
  Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see
  if there is anything close that could be updated.   I saw
  that we have a few older versions of this kind of
  document:
 
  1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
  OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)
 
 
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf
 
 
 
  2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)
 
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
 
 
 
  3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)
 
  https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf
 
 
 
  Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
  Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or
  was it generated from the wiki?
 
  I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
  wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.
 
 
  OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without
  wiping out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do
  this?   For example, is it possible to make a copy of this page
  and the subpages?
 
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
 
 
 
  I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?
 
  -Rob
 
 
  Ack Sorry,  GMail defaults can be a pain... as I was trying to
  say
 
  It shouldn't be too difficult,  I think that you can do this
  using the move tab, you can rename that and the subpages as well
  although that's not a copy per se.
 
  I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert,  if it all turns
  to custard tarts
 
  Cheers GL
 
  Graham;
 
 
  Using the Move command will rename the pages to the new namespace and
  set a redirect on the original to the new pages.
 
  One word of caution. Those pages are covered by the CCBY license. The
  only way I now to redo those pages under an alv2 license would be to
  start over from scratch and not use the prior pages at all. For me it
  makes much more sense to just update the pages with current
  information and keep the license as is. However I bring it up as some
  people have rather strong opinions about using other than the alv2
  license.
 

 I don't see a problem building on the existing content, under the
 stated license.  We're not including these guides in a release.  The
 reason for a copy was to preserve the existing material for users
 while a new version is being prepared.  It could take a few weeks to
 do the update and it could be messy day-to-day.

 -Rob




 OK I've set up a new structure, not sure what the 502 error is, but edits
 seem to be taking in any case, even though the 502 still keeps popping up.

 The old version has been moved to
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide_2006


 And I've shifted an editable version to
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guidehttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guide/Calc_and_Excel

 I've put a link to the old Guide on the bottom of the front page

 I noted that there is no link to the Migration guide on the Documentation
 front page,  Should I link to both versions on there or just the '06
 version.

 I just have a couple of subpages that didn't move for some reason to sort

 Recommend anyone wanting to contribute use the discussion page and put a
 watch on it so you can keep up with what's going on.


Excellent, thanks.  I'll see you on the discussion pages!

-Rob


 Cheers
 GL


  Regards
  Keith
 
 
 
 
  Regards Keith
 
  I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the
  guide. The tasks would be mainly:
 
  1) Update branding, logos, references to websites,
  ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice.
 
  2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
 
  3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g.,
  platforms supported, file filters, etc.
 
  4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in
  AOO.
 
  5) General technical and editorial review

Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
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 Rob Weir wrote:
 I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration guide for
 AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to help, let me
 know.

 Target audience includes:

 1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users provide
 their own technical support.

 2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS Office to
 OpenOffice

 3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some guidance on
 migration strategy

 Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see if there
 is anything close that could be updated.   I saw that we have a few
 older versions of this kind of document:

 1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
 OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)

 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf

  2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)

 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide

  3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)

 https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf

  Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
 Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or was it
 generated from the wiki?

 I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
 wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.


OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without wiping
out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do this?   For
example, is it possible to make a copy of this page and the subpages?

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide

I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?

-Rob

 Regards
 Keith

 I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the guide.
 The tasks would be mainly:

 1) Update branding, logos, references to websites, ownership,
 license, etc., of OpenOffice.

 2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO

 3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g., platforms
 supported, file filters, etc.

 4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in AOO.

 5) General technical and editorial review of the content.

 Any other ideas?

 Regards,

 -Rob


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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-12 Thread Graham Lauder
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration guide for AOO.
  If you have any thoughts on this, or want to help, let me know.


Excellent idea, it's in need of it, especially around network installs and
network wide customisations.

So I'm up for helping out.




 Target audience includes:

 1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users provide their
 own technical support.

 2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS Office to OpenOffice

 3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some guidance on
 migration strategy

 Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see if there is
 anything close that could be updated.   I saw that we have a few older
 versions of this kind of document:

 1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to OpenOffice.org
 from other office suites (2004)


 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf

 2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)


 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide

 3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)

 https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf

 Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?  Does
 anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or was it generated
 from the wiki?



Originally it was generated from ODT files, that came from oooauthors. I
have copies of those, unfortunately this is the latest version I have and
I'm pretty sure nothing came after this.

I also have a PDF of SUN Star Office migration white paper from 2009 which
may be helpful

Cheers
GL




 I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the guide. The
 tasks would be mainly:

 1) Update branding, logos, references to websites, ownership, license,
 etc., of OpenOffice.

 2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO

 3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g., platforms
 supported, file filters, etc.

 4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in AOO.

 5) General technical and editorial review of the content.

 Any other ideas?

 Regards,

 -Rob

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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-12 Thread Graham Lauder
I think that you can do this using the move tab, you can rename that and
the subpages as well although that's not a copy per se.

I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert,  if it all turns to
custard tarts

Cheers
GL


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
 keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
 
  Rob Weir wrote:
  I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration guide for
  AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to help, let me
  know.
 
  Target audience includes:
 
  1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users provide
  their own technical support.
 
  2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS Office to
  OpenOffice
 
  3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some guidance on
  migration strategy
 
  Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see if there
  is anything close that could be updated.   I saw that we have a few
  older versions of this kind of document:
 
  1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
  OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)
 
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf
 
   2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
 
   3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)
 
  https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf
 
   Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
  Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or was it
  generated from the wiki?
 
  I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
  wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.
 

 OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without wiping
 out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do this?   For
 example, is it possible to make a copy of this page and the subpages?


 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide

 I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?

 -Rob


It shouldn't be too difficult,



  Regards
  Keith
 
  I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the guide.
  The tasks would be mainly:
 
  1) Update branding, logos, references to websites, ownership,
  license, etc., of OpenOffice.
 
  2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
 
  3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g., platforms
  supported, file filters, etc.
 
  4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in AOO.
 
  5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
 
  Any other ideas?
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob
 
 
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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-12 Thread Graham Lauder
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
 keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
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  Rob Weir wrote:
  I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration guide for
  AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to help, let me
  know.
 
  Target audience includes:
 
  1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users provide
  their own technical support.
 
  2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS Office to
  OpenOffice
 
  3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some guidance on
  migration strategy
 
  Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see if there
  is anything close that could be updated.   I saw that we have a few
  older versions of this kind of document:
 
  1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
  OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)
 
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf
 
   2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
 
   3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)
 
  https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf
 
   Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
  Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or was it
  generated from the wiki?
 
  I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
  wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.
 

 OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without wiping
 out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do this?   For
 example, is it possible to make a copy of this page and the subpages?


 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide

 I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?

 -Rob


Ack Sorry,  GMail defaults can be a pain... as I was trying to say

It shouldn't be too difficult,  I think that you can do this using the move
tab, you can rename that and the subpages as well although that's not a
copy per se.

I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert,  if it all turns to
custard tarts

Cheers
GL






  Regards
  Keith
 
  I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the guide.
  The tasks would be mainly:
 
  1) Update branding, logos, references to websites, ownership,
  license, etc., of OpenOffice.
 
  2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
 
  3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g., platforms
  supported, file filters, etc.
 
  4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in AOO.
 
  5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
 
  Any other ideas?
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob
 
 
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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-12 Thread Graham Lauder
I'm getting a 502 Proxy error on the mwiki, edits aren't taking


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote:




 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
 keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
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  Rob Weir wrote:
  I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration guide for
  AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to help, let me
  know.
 
  Target audience includes:
 
  1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users provide
  their own technical support.
 
  2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS Office to
  OpenOffice
 
  3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some guidance on
  migration strategy
 
  Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see if there
  is anything close that could be updated.   I saw that we have a few
  older versions of this kind of document:
 
  1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
  OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)
 
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf
 
   2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
 
   3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)
 
  https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf
 
   Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
  Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or was it
  generated from the wiki?
 
  I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
  wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.
 

 OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without wiping
 out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do this?   For
 example, is it possible to make a copy of this page and the subpages?


 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide

 I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?

 -Rob


 Ack Sorry,  GMail defaults can be a pain... as I was trying to say

 It shouldn't be too difficult,  I think that you can do this using the
 move tab, you can rename that and the subpages as well although that's not
 a copy per se.

 I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert,  if it all turns to
 custard tarts

 Cheers
 GL






  Regards
  Keith
 
  I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the guide.
  The tasks would be mainly:
 
  1) Update branding, logos, references to websites, ownership,
  license, etc., of OpenOffice.
 
  2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
 
  3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g., platforms
  supported, file filters, etc.
 
  4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in AOO.
 
  5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
 
  Any other ideas?
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob
 
 
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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-12 Thread Keith N. McKenna
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Graham Lauder wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
 On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna 
 keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
 Rob Weir wrote:
 I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration
 guide for AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to
 help, let me know.
 
 Target audience includes:
 
 1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users
 provide their own technical support.
 
 2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS
 Office to OpenOffice
 
 3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some
 guidance on migration strategy
 
 Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see
 if there is anything close that could be updated.   I saw
 that we have a few older versions of this kind of
 document:
 
 1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to 
 OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)
 
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf


 
2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide


 
3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf


 
Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
 Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or
 was it generated from the wiki?
 
 I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the 
 wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.
 
 
 OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without
 wiping out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do
 this?   For example, is it possible to make a copy of this page
 and the subpages?
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide


 
I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?
 
 -Rob
 
 
 Ack Sorry,  GMail defaults can be a pain... as I was trying to
 say
 
 It shouldn't be too difficult,  I think that you can do this
 using the move tab, you can rename that and the subpages as well
 although that's not a copy per se.
 
 I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert,  if it all turns
 to custard tarts
 
 Cheers GL
 
 
Graham;

Using the Move command will rename the pages to the new namespace and
set a redirect on the original to the new pages.

One word of caution. Those pages are covered by the CCBY license. The
only way I now to redo those pages under an alv2 license would be to
start over from scratch and not use the prior pages at all. For me it
makes much more sense to just update the pages with current
information and keep the license as is. However I bring it up as some
people have rather strong opinions about using other than the alv2
license.

Regards
Keith
 
 
 
 
 Regards Keith
 
 I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the
 guide. The tasks would be mainly:
 
 1) Update branding, logos, references to websites,
 ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice.
 
 2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
 
 3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g.,
 platforms supported, file filters, etc.
 
 4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in
 AOO.
 
 5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
 
 Any other ideas?
 
 Regards,
 
 -Rob
 
 
 
 
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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
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 Graham Lauder wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
 wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
 keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
 Rob Weir wrote:
 I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration
 guide for AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to
 help, let me know.

 Target audience includes:

 1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users
 provide their own technical support.

 2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS
 Office to OpenOffice

 3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some
 guidance on migration strategy

 Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see
 if there is anything close that could be updated.   I saw
 that we have a few older versions of this kind of
 document:

 1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
 OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)


 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf



 2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)


 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide



 3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)

 https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf



 Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
 Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or
 was it generated from the wiki?

 I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
 wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.


 OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without
 wiping out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do
 this?   For example, is it possible to make a copy of this page
 and the subpages?


 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide



 I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?

 -Rob


 Ack Sorry,  GMail defaults can be a pain... as I was trying to
 say

 It shouldn't be too difficult,  I think that you can do this
 using the move tab, you can rename that and the subpages as well
 although that's not a copy per se.

 I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert,  if it all turns
 to custard tarts

 Cheers GL


 Graham;

 Using the Move command will rename the pages to the new namespace and
 set a redirect on the original to the new pages.

 One word of caution. Those pages are covered by the CCBY license. The
 only way I now to redo those pages under an alv2 license would be to
 start over from scratch and not use the prior pages at all. For me it
 makes much more sense to just update the pages with current
 information and keep the license as is. However I bring it up as some
 people have rather strong opinions about using other than the alv2
 license.


I don't see a problem building on the existing content, under the
stated license.  We're not including these guides in a release.  The
reason for a copy was to preserve the existing material for users
while a new version is being prepared.  It could take a few weeks to
do the update and it could be messy day-to-day.

-Rob

 Regards
 Keith




 Regards Keith

 I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the
 guide. The tasks would be mainly:

 1) Update branding, logos, references to websites,
 ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice.

 2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO

 3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g.,
 platforms supported, file filters, etc.

 4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in
 AOO.

 5) General technical and editorial review of the content.

 Any other ideas?

 Regards,

 -Rob




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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-12 Thread Graham Lauder
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna 
keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:

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  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
  On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
  keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
  Rob Weir wrote:
  I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration
  guide for AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to
  help, let me know.
 
  Target audience includes:
 
  1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users
  provide their own technical support.
 
  2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS
  Office to OpenOffice
 
  3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some
  guidance on migration strategy
 
  Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see
  if there is anything close that could be updated.   I saw
  that we have a few older versions of this kind of
  document:
 
  1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
  OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)
 
 
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf
 
 
 
 2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)
 
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
 
 
 
 3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)
 
  https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf
 
 
 
 Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
  Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or
  was it generated from the wiki?
 
  I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
  wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.
 
 
  OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without
  wiping out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do
  this?   For example, is it possible to make a copy of this page
  and the subpages?
 
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
 
 
 
 I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?
 
  -Rob
 
 
  Ack Sorry,  GMail defaults can be a pain... as I was trying to
  say
 
  It shouldn't be too difficult,  I think that you can do this
  using the move tab, you can rename that and the subpages as well
  although that's not a copy per se.
 
  I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert,  if it all turns
  to custard tarts
 
  Cheers GL
 
 
 Graham;

 Using the Move command will rename the pages to the new namespace and
 set a redirect on the original to the new pages.


Ah good I was wondering about that which is what I was trying to test.



 One word of caution. Those pages are covered by the CCBY license. The
 only way I now to redo those pages under an alv2 license would be to
 start over from scratch and not use the prior pages at all. For me it
 makes much more sense to just update the pages with current
 information and keep the license as is. However I bring it up as some
 people have rather strong opinions about using other than the alv2
 license.


That was one of my concerns and I am of the opinion that at some point a
ground up rewrite would be the best in order to adjust the license
position.  However in the short term I agree with you that an updated
Migration Guide under the old license would be the simplest.  As long it's
not released with the software, it shouldn't be too much of an issue right
now.

Cheers
GL




 Regards
 Keith
 
 
 
 
  Regards Keith
 
  I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the
  guide. The tasks would be mainly:
 
  1) Update branding, logos, references to websites,
  ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice.
 
  2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
 
  3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g.,
  platforms supported, file filters, etc.
 
  4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in
  AOO.
 
  5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
 
  Any other ideas?
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob
 
 
 
 
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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-12 Thread Graham Lauder
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
 keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
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  Graham Lauder wrote:
  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
  On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
  keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
  Rob Weir wrote:
  I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration
  guide for AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to
  help, let me know.
 
  Target audience includes:
 
  1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users
  provide their own technical support.
 
  2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS
  Office to OpenOffice
 
  3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some
  guidance on migration strategy
 
  Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see
  if there is anything close that could be updated.   I saw
  that we have a few older versions of this kind of
  document:
 
  1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
  OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)
 
 
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf
 
 
 
  2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)
 
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
 
 
 
  3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)
 
  https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf
 
 
 
  Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
  Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or
  was it generated from the wiki?
 
  I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
  wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.
 
 
  OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without
  wiping out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do
  this?   For example, is it possible to make a copy of this page
  and the subpages?
 
 
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
 
 
 
  I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?
 
  -Rob
 
 
  Ack Sorry,  GMail defaults can be a pain... as I was trying to
  say
 
  It shouldn't be too difficult,  I think that you can do this
  using the move tab, you can rename that and the subpages as well
  although that's not a copy per se.
 
  I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert,  if it all turns
  to custard tarts
 
  Cheers GL
 
  Graham;
 
 
  Using the Move command will rename the pages to the new namespace and
  set a redirect on the original to the new pages.
 
  One word of caution. Those pages are covered by the CCBY license. The
  only way I now to redo those pages under an alv2 license would be to
  start over from scratch and not use the prior pages at all. For me it
  makes much more sense to just update the pages with current
  information and keep the license as is. However I bring it up as some
  people have rather strong opinions about using other than the alv2
  license.
 

 I don't see a problem building on the existing content, under the
 stated license.  We're not including these guides in a release.  The
 reason for a copy was to preserve the existing material for users
 while a new version is being prepared.  It could take a few weeks to
 do the update and it could be messy day-to-day.

 -Rob




OK I've set up a new structure, not sure what the 502 error is, but edits
seem to be taking in any case, even though the 502 still keeps popping up.

The old version has been moved to
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide_2006


And I've shifted an editable version to
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guidehttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guide/Calc_and_Excel

I've put a link to the old Guide on the bottom of the front page

I noted that there is no link to the Migration guide on the Documentation
front page,  Should I link to both versions on there or just the '06
version.

I just have a couple of subpages that didn't move for some reason to sort

Recommend anyone wanting to contribute use the discussion page and put a
watch on it so you can keep up with what's going on.

Cheers
GL


  Regards
  Keith
 
 
 
 
  Regards Keith
 
  I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the
  guide. The tasks would be mainly:
 
  1) Update branding, logos, references to websites,
  ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice.
 
  2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
 
  3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g.,
  platforms supported, file filters, etc.
 
  4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in
  AOO.
 
  5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
 
  Any other ideas?
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob

Updated migration guide?

2013-11-11 Thread Rob Weir
I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration guide for AOO.
 If you have any thoughts on this, or want to help, let me know.

Target audience includes:

1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users provide their
own technical support.

2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS Office to OpenOffice

3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some guidance on
migration strategy

Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see if there is
anything close that could be updated.   I saw that we have a few older
versions of this kind of document:

1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to OpenOffice.org
from other office suites (2004)

http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf

2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide

3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)

https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf

Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?  Does
anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or was it generated
from the wiki?

I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the guide. The
tasks would be mainly:

1) Update branding, logos, references to websites, ownership, license,
etc., of OpenOffice.

2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO

3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g., platforms
supported, file filters, etc.

4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in AOO.

5) General technical and editorial review of the content.

Any other ideas?

Regards,

-Rob

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Re: Updated migration guide?

2013-11-11 Thread Keith N. McKenna
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Rob Weir wrote:
 I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration guide for
 AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to help, let me
 know.
 
 Target audience includes:
 
 1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users provide
 their own technical support.
 
 2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS Office to
 OpenOffice
 
 3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some guidance on 
 migration strategy
 
 Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see if there
 is anything close that could be updated.   I saw that we have a few
 older versions of this kind of document:
 
 1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
 OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004)
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf

  2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide

  3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf

  Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
 Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or was it
 generated from the wiki?
 
I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.

Regards
Keith

 I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the guide.
 The tasks would be mainly:
 
 1) Update branding, logos, references to websites, ownership,
 license, etc., of OpenOffice.
 
 2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
 
 3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g., platforms 
 supported, file filters, etc.
 
 4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in AOO.
 
 5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
 
 Any other ideas?
 
 Regards,
 
 -Rob
 

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