Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Matthias, all

> On 09/13/2020 10:00 AM Matthias Seidel  wrote:

> Feel free to commit whatever logo is wanted. I will take some days off
> now, but will be available for building an RC.

Thank you for the availability!
Enjoy your days off!

If there is no opposition I will commit both your logos mentioned on your other 
email

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png

to branch 4.1.8 in location main/default_images/introabout
to replace the current images.

I hope this can be approved by Lazy Consensus if there is no opposition 
expressed within the next 72 hours.

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi all,

Am 13.09.20 um 11:00 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Pedro,
>
> Am 13.09.20 um 10:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Jörg, all
>>
>> Starting with an answer to one of your previous emails
>>
>>> And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything 
>>> finished?
>> Yes there is a process, and it is barely  started! I'm just trying to get 
>> things moving! Can we quickly solve the logo issue to move on to create an 
>> RC1 that we can test?
> Feel free to commit whatever logo is wanted. I will take some days off
> now, but will be available for building an RC.

That said, I made a final adjustment to the About logo:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png

The Intro logo is unchanged:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
>>  
>>> (Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)
>> Excellent! As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was simply trying 
>> to hack a design that would gather consensus. If Matthias' design are 
>> acceptable by everyone let's use them.
>>
>>>> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
>>>> proposal for the About dialog:
>>>>
>>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
>>> OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks 
>>> unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
>>> This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.
>>>
>>> Explanation: In your suggestion 
>>> (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against 
>>> the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
>> I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned? 
>> Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this off-list in German 
>> and reach an agreement?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hi Pedro,  

> -Original Message-
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.l...@mailbox.org] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:47 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was 
> simply trying to hack a design that would gather consensus. 
> If Matthias' design are acceptable by everyone let's use them.
> 
> > > Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here 
> is also my
> > > proposal for the About dialog:
> > > 
> > > https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
> > 
> > OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole 
> display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
> > This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest 
> of the logo.
> > 
> > Explanation: In your suggestion 
> (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text 
> leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
> 
> I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned?

Yes, aligning it would be (theoretically) a possibility, but in concrete terms 
there seems to be hardly enough space available.

I uploaded a sketch, the text would have to be arranged imho within the red 
lines:
http://calc-info.de/files/skizze.gif

but the text would have to be quite small and I don't know if that is 
acceptable.


A basic remark:
would it be good to use two different logos (one for Splash-Screen and one for 
About-Box)? Or is that not the point at all?

Yes, this remark extends the discussion (and makes it more difficult) but 
please understand my position - I _don't_ want to dominate the discussion with 
my opinion. 
So at the end of the discussion the _best technical_ (or optical) solution 
should be found and not a 'deal' just to not annoy anybody.


> Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this 
> off-list in German and reach an agreement?

I would agree, but I know that Mathias won't talk to me. Therefore it is 
unfortunately not possible.



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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Pedro,

Am 13.09.20 um 10:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Jörg, all
>
> Starting with an answer to one of your previous emails
>
>> And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything 
>> finished?
> Yes there is a process, and it is barely  started! I'm just trying to get 
> things moving! Can we quickly solve the logo issue to move on to create an 
> RC1 that we can test?

Feel free to commit whatever logo is wanted. I will take some days off
now, but will be available for building an RC.

Regards,

   Matthias

>  
>> (Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)
> Excellent! As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was simply trying 
> to hack a design that would gather consensus. If Matthias' design are 
> acceptable by everyone let's use them.
>
>>> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
>>> proposal for the About dialog:
>>>
>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
>> OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks 
>> unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
>> This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.
>>
>> Explanation: In your suggestion 
>> (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against 
>> the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
> I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned? 
> Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this off-list in German 
> and reach an agreement?
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Jörg, all

Starting with an answer to one of your previous emails

> And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything 
> finished?

Yes there is a process, and it is barely  started! I'm just trying to get 
things moving! Can we quickly solve the logo issue to move on to create an RC1 
that we can test?
 
> (Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)

Excellent! As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was simply trying to 
hack a design that would gather consensus. If Matthias' design are acceptable 
by everyone let's use them.

> > Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
> > proposal for the About dialog:
> > 
> > https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
> 
> OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks 
> unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
> This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.
> 
> Explanation: In your suggestion 
> (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against 
> the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".

I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned? 
Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this off-list in German 
and reach an agreement?

Regards,
Pedro

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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello, 

> -Original Message-
> From: Czesław Wolański [mailto:czeslaw.wolan...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My apologies for a delayed response. Due file is available at 
> the following
> link:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTt
> bPN/view?usp=sharing
> 
> 
> COMMENT
> I studied Jörg's original proposal. It occured to me there 
> should be a way
> to gently move the focus from the otherwise important "Apache / Open
> Office"
> to Jorg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
> (short, dynamic, very catchy slogan - like the one by Ritter Sport:
> "Quadratisch. Praktisch. Gut.",
> in English: "Square. Practical. Good.").

Yes, you understand me quite right. 

The reason for using the points spelling incorrectly is the intention to 
achieve the effect that could be described verbally with:

 "Open.  For all. "

-->the dot means "... PENG" in the meaning of how to write " 
PUNKT" in German to express that the "etwas" is a fact not to be discussed.

"Since 20 years"

-->the omission of the point (AFTER it was emphasized before) expresses now 
advertising psychology something like 'natural', in the sense that it is about 
something not ordinary, but which seems to be natural at the same time BECAUSE 
the whole thing (here OpenOffice) is so above average.


(What I am trying to explain here has nothing to do with good, better, right 
... but with (advertising) psychology, the fact that people react in a certain 
way to certain things (e.g. certain ways of writing).)



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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Jörg Schmidt]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 11:54 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
> 
> Hi Pedro, all,
> 
> Am 12.09.20 um 11:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> > Hi Joerg, all
> >
> >> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> >> first of all: please consider that I have already 
> evaluated this logo as positive.
> > This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this 
> position for placing the same ellipse was ok.
> >
> > To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long 
> enough to see it so I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.
> 
> Agreed, but for the same reason, here is my proposal for the splash
> screen (Intro):
> 
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png

++1, for my part clear agreement

(Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)


> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
> proposal for the About dialog:
> 
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png

OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks 
unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.

Explanation: In your suggestion 
(https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against the 
beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".




Jörg


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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello, 

> -Original Message-
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.l...@mailbox.org] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 11:47 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
 
> > But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains 
> the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one 
> line below the logo).
> 
> I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is 
> a better option.

Well, as already written out of politeness, I did not consider my suggestion to 
be better but only a suggestion.
By the way, my suggestion was not only addressed to you but to everyone here.

> > For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he 
> suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he 
> understands my suggestion.
> > 
> > Is it now worth to work it out? 
> 
> Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!

And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything 
finished?

My suggestion was obviously disturbing, yours is apparently not.



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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Brian Barker]

At 19:17 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski wrote:

Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to 
a point in time code-named "20 years"

True or False?


True. But I cannot imagine any point in time being named "20 years" - 
unless what is meant is "the year 20", i.e. 20 CE.


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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

For all of the non-native English speakers please know that like Spanish 
English has many dialects.

Also please recall that on the website we currently keep the tag line “The Free 
and Open Productivity Suite” as text and allow translations for the native 
websites.

Again I want to let people know that we are really debating between a quick 
solution and perfect solutions.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:17:18 +0200
> Czesław Wolański  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Brian, all
>> 
>>> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact:
>>> you are in good company.
>> 
>> Thank you for pointing out this mistake.
>> I can only speak for myself - I am grateful and not embarrassed at all.
>> My mother tongue (L1 - Polish) makes me wonder if I'll ever understand it,
>> let alone foreign languages I happen to "speak".
>> 
>> Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
>> Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to a point
>> in time code-named "20 years"
>> True or False?  ;‑)
> 
> One could say "Since twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume 
> XYZ is dead" or "As twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume 
> XYZ is dead"
> 
> "I have not taken a photograph since I hung up my cameras thirty years ago."
> 
> Rory
> 
> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Czesław
>> 
>> 
>> сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 18:29, Brian Barker
>> :
>> 
>>> At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski  wrote:
 Due file is available at the following link:
 
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
 
 COMMENT
 ... there should be a way to gently move the
 focus from the otherwise important "Apache /
 Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
>>> 
>>> Sorry, but as has already been pointed out,
>>> "since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since"
>>> requires a point in time, not a period of time.
>>> So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty
>>> years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a
>>> period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20
>>> years".
>>> 
>>> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are
>>> in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop
>>> group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the
>>> accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he
>>> quotes against himself the one mistake he
>>> recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've
>>> had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears
>>> the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't
>>> seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".
>>> 
>>> Brian Barker
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:17:18 +0200
Czesław Wolański  wrote:

> Hi Brian, all
> 
> > Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact:
> > you are in good company.
> 
> Thank you for pointing out this mistake.
> I can only speak for myself - I am grateful and not embarrassed at all.
> My mother tongue (L1 - Polish) makes me wonder if I'll ever understand it,
> let alone foreign languages I happen to "speak".
> 
> Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
> Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to a point
> in time code-named "20 years"
> True or False?  ;‑)

One could say "Since twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume XYZ 
is dead" or "As twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume XYZ is 
dead"

"I have not taken a photograph since I hung up my cameras thirty years ago."

Rory


> Regards,
> 
> Czesław
> 
> 
> сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 18:29, Brian Barker
> :
> 
> > At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski  wrote:
> > >Due file is available at the following link:
> > >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > >COMMENT
> > >... there should be a way to gently move the
> > >focus from the otherwise important "Apache /
> > >Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
> >
> > Sorry, but as has already been pointed out,
> > "since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since"
> > requires a point in time, not a period of time.
> > So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty
> > years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a
> > period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20
> > years".
> >
> > Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are
> > in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop
> > group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the
> > accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he
> > quotes against himself the one mistake he
> > recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've
> > had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears
> > the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't
> > seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".
> >
> > Brian Barker
> >
> >
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Czesław Wolański]

Hi Brian, all

> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact:
> you are in good company.

Thank you for pointing out this mistake.
I can only speak for myself - I am grateful and not embarrassed at all.
My mother tongue (L1 - Polish) makes me wonder if I'll ever understand it,
let alone foreign languages I happen to "speak".

Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to a point
in time code-named "20 years"
True or False?  ;‑)


Regards,

Czesław


сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 18:29, Brian Barker
:

> At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski  wrote:
> >Due file is available at the following link:
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
> >
> >COMMENT
> >... there should be a way to gently move the
> >focus from the otherwise important "Apache /
> >Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
>
> Sorry, but as has already been pointed out,
> "since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since"
> requires a point in time, not a period of time.
> So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty
> years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a
> period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20
> years".
>
> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are
> in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop
> group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the
> accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he
> quotes against himself the one mistake he
> recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've
> had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears
> the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't
> seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".
>
> Brian Barker
>
>
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Brian Barker]

At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski  wrote:

Due file is available at the following link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing

COMMENT
... there should be a way to gently move the 
focus from the otherwise important "Apache / 
Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"


Sorry, but as has already been pointed out, 
"since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since" 
requires a point in time, not a period of time. 
So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty 
years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a 
period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20 years".


Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are 
in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop 
group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the 
accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he 
quotes against himself the one mistake he 
recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've 
had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears 
the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't 
seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".


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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Carl Marcum]

Hi all,

On 9/12/20 5:53 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Pedro, all,

Am 12.09.20 um 11:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Hi Joerg, all


On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as 
positive.

This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this position for placing 
the same ellipse was ok.

To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long enough to see it so 
I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.

Agreed, but for the same reason, here is my proposal for the splash
screen (Intro):

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png
I like the layout of this one.  I know we're only talking about the 
splash screen now but it seems like it would fit better in more places 
outside or that like in presentations or websites.




Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
proposal for the About dialog:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png

  

But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known 
suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).

I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is a better option.


For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail 
improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.

Is it now worth to work it out?

Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!
  

Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here 
on the list?

Please do, but do that today if possible!

Definitely!

Regards,

    Matthias


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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Czesław Wolański]

Hi all,

My apologies for a delayed response. Due file is available at the following
link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing


COMMENT
I studied Jörg's original proposal. It occured to me there should be a way
to gently move the focus from the otherwise important "Apache / Open
Office"
to Jorg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
(short, dynamic, very catchy slogan - like the one by Ritter Sport:
"Quadratisch. Praktisch. Gut.",
in English: "Square. Practical. Good.").

So I added two gray horizontal lines - source of which we all know (the
Start Center).

Position, thickness, type, length and colour of lines may depend on:
- the main block ("Apache / Open Office" OR the seagull logo with "Apache /
Open Office")
- the font size/colour combination for the slogan
- the visual context.

I didn't make my amateurish proposal public because I understood time
constraints, space constraints
and the need for a simple (but not simplistic), universal solution ( About
dialog  and/or Splash Screen).


Regards,

Czesław

сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 12:00, Pedro Lino :

> Hi Matthias, all
>
> > On 09/12/2020 8:40 AM Matthias Seidel 
> wrote:
>
> > The main problem with the SVG is that people not having installed
> > exactly the same font like you will see problems with the text.
> > So the last step to produce a universal SVG would be to convert all the
> > text to curves.
>
> Good point! Done!
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/368e8fc4cac32f3531c824c1775774e3747fdd37/intro_curves.svg
>
> > Beware that this isn't reversible.
>
> That was a very valuable and timely warning ;) I'm keeping separate
> versions in case something needs to be edited!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Matthias, all

> On 09/12/2020 8:40 AM Matthias Seidel  wrote:

> The main problem with the SVG is that people not having installed
> exactly the same font like you will see problems with the text.
> So the last step to produce a universal SVG would be to convert all the
> text to curves.

Good point! Done!
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/368e8fc4cac32f3531c824c1775774e3747fdd37/intro_curves.svg

> Beware that this isn't reversible.

That was a very valuable and timely warning ;) I'm keeping separate versions in 
case something needs to be edited!

Thanks!

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Pedro, all,

Am 12.09.20 um 11:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Joerg, all
>
>> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
>> first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as 
>> positive.
> This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this position for placing 
> the same ellipse was ok.
>
> To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long enough to see it 
> so I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.

Agreed, but for the same reason, here is my proposal for the splash
screen (Intro):

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png

Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
proposal for the About dialog:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png

>  
>> But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known 
>> suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).
> I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is a better option.
>
>> For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail 
>> improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.
>>
>> Is it now worth to work it out? 
> Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!
>  
>> Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs 
>> here on the list? 
> Please do, but do that today if possible!

Definitely!

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Joerg, all

> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt  wrote:

> first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as 
> positive.

This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this position for placing 
the same ellipse was ok.

To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long enough to see it so 
I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.
 
> But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known 
> suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).

I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is a better option.

> For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail 
> improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.
> 
> Is it now worth to work it out? 

Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!
 
> Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here 
> on the list? 

Please do, but do that today if possible!

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Pedro,

Am 11.09.20 um 23:53 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Czeslaw, all
>
> Here is the updated intro/splash logo open for comments/ideas
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/intro.png
>
> And as before the vector version free for anyone to modify
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/8b57e7c64d5560997df4b3fbeee276479d5abe1c/intro.svg

The main problem with the SVG is that people not having installed
exactly the same font like you will see problems with the text.

So the last step to produce a universal SVG would be to convert all the
text to curves. Beware that this isn't reversible.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>> On 09/11/2020 10:50 AM Czesław Wolański  wrote:
>> Aren't you a designer?  ;‑)
> Nope. I'm a hacker ;)
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello *, 

> -Original Message-
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.l...@mailbox.org] 
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:53 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
> 
> Hi Czeslaw, all
> 
> Here is the updated intro/splash logo open for comments/ideas
> 
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/intro.png

first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as 
positive.

But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known 
suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).
For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail 
improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.

Is it now worth to work it out? 


Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here 
on the list? 



Jörg



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Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Czeslaw, all

Here is the updated intro/splash logo open for comments/ideas

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/intro.png

And as before the vector version free for anyone to modify

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/8b57e7c64d5560997df4b3fbeee276479d5abe1c/intro.svg


> On 09/11/2020 10:50 AM Czesław Wolański  wrote:

> Aren't you a designer?  ;‑)

Nope. I'm a hacker ;)

Regards,
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Kevin Blank Intro

[Kevin Blank]

Hi Everyone,

My name is Kevin Blank and I am interested in getting involved in
OpenOffice.  I am currently pursuing a Master's degree from DePaul
University in Chicago in Information Systems.  I am looking to get involved
in the tech world as much as possible to gain experience, learn new skills,
and build my resume.  I am happy to help in any way possible.

I have never worked on an open source project, so this is all very new to
me, but I am looking forward to getting involved!

Best,

Kevin

Re: intro

[JZA]

Welcome Seon the fastest and best way to develop a feature for AOO is to
create an extension. This is the documentation for it:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development

You can create them in Basic, Python, Java, and other languages as well.
Feel free to go through the documentation and try to setup your
environment.

You will also be able to find snippets and mini-projects on the forum:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=19

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Seon Brooks  wrote:

> Hi,
> My name is Seon.
>
> I am living in Michigan
>
> I am interested in developing new features
>



-- 
Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributor
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intro

[Seon Brooks]

Hi,
My name is Seon.

I am living in Michigan

I am interested in developing new features

Re: Self Intro.

[Yuzhen Fan]

Hi Manoj,

Welcome at the Apache OpenOffice project, you may contact me if you like to
do some QA work. Thanks.

Regards,
Yu Zhen


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.dewrote:

 Hi Manoj,

 welcome at the Apache OpenOffice project.

 manoj elangovan schrieb:

  Hi,

 Manoj , from Bangalore India.
 I am intrested in learning this product. I am beginner to open source
 contribution.


 We have collected some informations at http://openoffice.apache.org/**
 orientation/index.htmlhttp://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html

 Please have look and then tell about which area you would like to learn
 more.

 I have CC you, because I don't know, whether you have already subscribed
 to the mailing list.

 Kind regards
 Regina

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Self Intro.

[manoj elangovan]

Hi,

Manoj , from Bangalore India.
I am intrested in learning this product. I am beginner to open source
contribution.

Thanks,
Manoj

-- 
Thanks,
Manoj

Re: Self Intro.

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Manoj,

welcome at the Apache OpenOffice project.

manoj elangovan schrieb:

Hi,

Manoj , from Bangalore India.
I am intrested in learning this product. I am beginner to open source
contribution.


We have collected some informations at 
http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html


Please have look and then tell about which area you would like to learn 
more.


I have CC you, because I don't know, whether you have already subscribed 
to the mailing list.


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: Fwd: Intro: TML IT Personal Info: Open Office tools Security || features Comparison || Compatibility

[Andrea Pescetti]

anand.vasappanavara wrote:

I had written to Andrea for a getting in touch
with our IT Senior staff as mentioned in the forwarded mail below. This
is regarding obtaining permissions to use the tool (Open Office) for
professional work by our employees at Advanced Engineering department at
Tata Motors Pune India.


Hi, please note that you have written to several mailing lists, 
dev@openoffice.apache.org is always enough.



I hence request you please remind Andrea to respond with the queries at
the earliest to enable us to install the software on our PC's and start
working with it at the earliest.


I will gladly answer your queries, and feel free to follow up with 
private conversations if you prefer, but please remember that I don't 
provide (gratis or paid) consultancy services around OpenOffice and 
therefore there should be no expectations that I answer a message sent 
on Saturday morning by Sunday night (or even by the next Saturday): it 
might happen, but it might not. E-mailing a public channel, like you are 
doing now, is best for generic support. Relying on professional 
consultants is another option if you need tailored support.



Can you let me know when will Open
Office 4 be available for download ?


The latest plans were posted to this list and aim around June 2013.


* I had communicated to you a while ago about the security issue
  related to these tools, can you throw light on it again. Mr
  Tarnekar  his team may interact with you further before giving us
  a go ahead.


If I recall correctly from previous conversations on this list, you were 
especially interested in disclosure of private data. I confirm that 
services that connect to the Internet (such as the update notification 
service) do not disclose personal private data or documents data.


And for software vulnerabilities, the project follows the standard best 
practices (private reporting, confidential fixes, CVEs, fixes in the 
first available release or a dedicated point release): but this part is 
so confidential that I don't have access to it, so if you need more 
information on this keep asking the dev@openoffice.apache.org list and 
if there is anything that can be disclosed the relevant people will do it.



* Are there any licensing issues when Open Office tools are used at
  the whole enterprise level rather than used individually.


The license makes no difference. Check for yourself at 
http://www.openoffice.org/license.html



* Can you provide us a feature comparison table of the latest Open
  Office suite tools with respect to the Microsoft Office tools (Ex
  Pivot table functionality in Calc).


This highly depends on your usage of Office and OpenOffice. It is often 
said that users use about 20% of the Office (or OpenOffice) 
functionality, but that 20% is different for each use case, so 
compatibility in general is good (and yes, Calc supports Pivot tables 
and related functionality) but details may vary depending on your 
specific use case. This is one of the fields where a professional 
consultant might be helpful.



* Can you provide us with any known compatibility issues between
  open office tools  Microsoft office tools. (Ex Open Office Write
  file opening in MS Word  vice versa for editing/manipulating).


This is mostly the same issue, but in this case we maintain a list of 
fidelity improvements that you can find at

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Fidelity_Improvement_Since_AOO341
and shows that we are continuously working towards better interoperability.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: intro

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Rob Conn sherlockrobc...@gmail.com wrote:
 My name is Rob Conn, I am a Support Analyst/Engineer from Nutley NJ about
 20 minutes west of Midtown Manhattan. I also have a background back-end
 developer and data modeler using Object PHP and MySQL.


Hi Bob,

Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project!

We have a separate mailing list for the QA team, so you'll want to
join that by sending a note to qa-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org.

Also, we have some introductory pages that help orient new volunteers
with the project.  You can find them here:

http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html

Some of the orientation modules deal with general, project-wide topics
and are especially useful if you have not worked on an open source
project before.  And the Introduction to QA module will help you get
started on the QA side.

I recommend that you take a look at the above links, and sign up for
the QA list and post your intro there as well.

Thanks!

-Rob

 I have experience in application, production, technical and mobile support,
 assisting QA in blackbox and usage testing. I want to add more to my QA
 software testing skills as well as different degrees and direction of
 support.

 Open Office is a great suite of application, I have'nt used Microsoft
 Office in years (expect when supporting it on the job), since
 i discovered open office and recommend it to everyone I know to move to it.

 Thanks

 Rob Conn