Re: macOS - oldest supported version
OK, let me finish with some general numbers. ;-) Statista.com - October 2020 6.21 % - 10.15 - Catalina 1,84 % - 10.14 - Mojave 1.39 % - 10.13 - High Sierra 0.51 % - 10.12 - Sierra 0.38 % - 10.11 - El Captain 0.19 % - 10.10 - Yosemite The remainig numbers until 100 % are mostly Windows versions. (Source: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/828610/umfrage/marktanteile-der-fuehrenden-betriebssystemversionen-weltweit/#professional) Statcounter.com - November 2020 67.40 % - 10.15 - Catalina 12.74 % - 10.14 - Mojave 9.45 % - 10.13 - High Sierra 3.80 % - 10.12 - Sierra 3.08 % - 10.11 - El Capitan 2.33 % - 10.10 - Yosemite 0.63 % - 10.09 - Mavericks 0.21 % - 10.08 - Mountain Lion 0.17 % - 10.07 - Lion 0.16 % - 10.06 - Snow Leopard 0.02 % - 10.05 - Leopard 0.00 % - Other (Source, https://gs.statcounter.com/macos-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide) So, to define the baseline with version 10.9 seems to be no big problem from the users perspective. Marcus Am 04.12.20 um 09:19 schrieb Peter Kovacs: +1 for the version change. I prepared some numbers, whgich will give you some ffeling on our user base. In November we had following Mac Users visiting our pages (total of 187.059 users): 01. Macintosh Intel 10.15 57,41 % 02. Macintosh Intel 10.13 14,01 % 03. Macintosh Intel 10.14 9,43 % 04. Macintosh Intel 10.11 5,41 % 05. Macintosh Intel 11.0 4,15 % 06. Macintosh Intel 10.12 4,01 % 07. Macintosh Intel 10.10 2,11 % 08. Macintosh Intel 10.16 1,14 % 09. Macintosh Intel 10.9 0,89 % 10. Macintosh Intel 10.6 0,54 % 11. Macintosh Intel 10.7 0,50 % 12. Macintosh Intel 10.8 0,30 % 13. Macintosh PPC 10.4 0,02 % 14. Macintosh Intel 10.5 0,02 % 15. Macintosh Intel 11.1 0,02 % 16. Macintosh PPC 10.5 0,01 % 17. Macintosh Intel 10.4 0,01 % 18. Macintosh Intel 10.0 0,01 % 19. Macintosh Intel 0,00 % 20. Macintosh PPC 0,00 % 21. Macintosh (not set) 0,00 % 22. Macintosh PPC 10.11 0,00 % 23. Macintosh PPC 10.6 0,00 % (The 0% entry means one occurence) Overall we have visitors of 11 - 10.9 = 98,58% 10.8 - 10.07 = 0,8% (This is about 1500 users GA tracked) 10.7 and lower = 0,62% Interesting that some PPC users still visit. All the Best Peter On 03.12.20 19:38, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi Jim, On Dec 2, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: Up to now, we've held 10.7 as the oldest version of OS X AOO is supported on. Even with 4.2.x this is still the case. However, if we allow for 10.9 to be the "oldest", we can help include some capabilities that we can't right now. For example, our support of RTTI and _si_class_type_info is pretty meager on macOS, due to that only being available starting w/ a 10.9 SDK and this impacts "our" full support of UNO. So I am wondering if maybe we should, to go along w/ CentOS7 as our base community builds, "upgrade" to 10.9 for our macOS ones. I agree. We only lose a few Mac hardware versions from around 2007-2008 by dropping 10.7 and 10.8 support. I found a good listing on this page: https://jimmytechsf.com/what-system-software-can-my-mac-run/ BTW - only one model that supports 10.9 cannot be upgraded to 10.11 (A MacPro 4,1 (Early 2009)) So, a minimum version of 10.10 is nearly the same as a minimum version of 10.9 and it is possible to download Yosemite, but Mavericks is unavailable. Some earlier Macs can be hacked to support 10.7, but it requires either a new Intel chip or more memory. I think that 4.1.8 can be offered anyone who cannot upgrade to 10.9 or better. Alternatively, we could produce 2 macOS packages: one for 10.8 and older and one for 10.9 and newer. In fact, I even noticed that the download page still has the *logic* for 2 macOS DMGs to be available... It’s really hard to keep around a 10.7 machine to test. (At least for me.) All of the browsers stopped working properly on the iMac that I was holding back on. So, I had to upgrade our iMac8,1 to 10.11 (as far I could go.) I have an older Mac in storage. Next time I can I’ll retrieve it to see what OS X is on it. I think it is 2004 era … Regards, Dave Thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: macOS - oldest supported version
Hi all, +1 for the version change. I prepared some numbers, whgich will give you some ffeling on our user base. In November we had following Mac Users visiting our pages (total of 187.059 users): 01. Macintosh Intel 10.15 57,41 % 02. Macintosh Intel 10.13 14,01 % 03. Macintosh Intel 10.14 9,43 % 04. Macintosh Intel 10.11 5,41 % 05. Macintosh Intel 11.0 4,15 % 06. Macintosh Intel 10.12 4,01 % 07. Macintosh Intel 10.10 2,11 % 08. Macintosh Intel 10.16 1,14 % 09. Macintosh Intel 10.9 0,89 % 10. Macintosh Intel 10.6 0,54 % 11. Macintosh Intel 10.7 0,50 % 12. Macintosh Intel 10.8 0,30 % 13. Macintosh PPC 10.4 0,02 % 14. Macintosh Intel 10.5 0,02 % 15. Macintosh Intel 11.1 0,02 % 16. Macintosh PPC 10.5 0,01 % 17. Macintosh Intel 10.4 0,01 % 18. Macintosh Intel 10.0 0,01 % 19. Macintosh Intel 0,00 % 20. Macintosh PPC 0,00 % 21. Macintosh (not set) 0,00 % 22. Macintosh PPC 10.11 0,00 % 23. Macintosh PPC 10.6 0,00 % (The 0% entry means one occurence) Overall we have visitors of 11 - 10.9 = 98,58% 10.8 - 10.07 = 0,8% (This is about 1500 users GA tracked) 10.7 and lower = 0,62% Interesting that some PPC users still visit. All the Best Peter On 03.12.20 19:38, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi Jim, On Dec 2, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: Up to now, we've held 10.7 as the oldest version of OS X AOO is supported on. Even with 4.2.x this is still the case. However, if we allow for 10.9 to be the "oldest", we can help include some capabilities that we can't right now. For example, our support of RTTI and _si_class_type_info is pretty meager on macOS, due to that only being available starting w/ a 10.9 SDK and this impacts "our" full support of UNO. So I am wondering if maybe we should, to go along w/ CentOS7 as our base community builds, "upgrade" to 10.9 for our macOS ones. I agree. We only lose a few Mac hardware versions from around 2007-2008 by dropping 10.7 and 10.8 support. I found a good listing on this page: https://jimmytechsf.com/what-system-software-can-my-mac-run/ BTW - only one model that supports 10.9 cannot be upgraded to 10.11 (A MacPro 4,1 (Early 2009)) So, a minimum version of 10.10 is nearly the same as a minimum version of 10.9 and it is possible to download Yosemite, but Mavericks is unavailable. Some earlier Macs can be hacked to support 10.7, but it requires either a new Intel chip or more memory. I think that 4.1.8 can be offered anyone who cannot upgrade to 10.9 or better. Alternatively, we could produce 2 macOS packages: one for 10.8 and older and one for 10.9 and newer. In fact, I even noticed that the download page still has the *logic* for 2 macOS DMGs to be available... It’s really hard to keep around a 10.7 machine to test. (At least for me.) All of the browsers stopped working properly on the iMac that I was holding back on. So, I had to upgrade our iMac8,1 to 10.11 (as far I could go.) I have an older Mac in storage. Next time I can I’ll retrieve it to see what OS X is on it. I think it is 2004 era … Regards, Dave Thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: macOS - oldest supported version
Hi Jim, > On Dec 2, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > Up to now, we've held 10.7 as the oldest version of OS X AOO is supported on. > Even with 4.2.x this is still the case. > > However, if we allow for 10.9 to be the "oldest", we can help include some > capabilities that we can't right now. For example, our support of RTTI and > _si_class_type_info is pretty meager on macOS, due to that only being > available starting w/ a 10.9 SDK and this impacts "our" full support of UNO. > > So I am wondering if maybe we should, to go along w/ CentOS7 as our base > community builds, "upgrade" to 10.9 for our macOS ones. I agree. We only lose a few Mac hardware versions from around 2007-2008 by dropping 10.7 and 10.8 support. I found a good listing on this page: https://jimmytechsf.com/what-system-software-can-my-mac-run/ BTW - only one model that supports 10.9 cannot be upgraded to 10.11 (A MacPro 4,1 (Early 2009)) So, a minimum version of 10.10 is nearly the same as a minimum version of 10.9 and it is possible to download Yosemite, but Mavericks is unavailable. Some earlier Macs can be hacked to support 10.7, but it requires either a new Intel chip or more memory. I think that 4.1.8 can be offered anyone who cannot upgrade to 10.9 or better. > > Alternatively, we could produce 2 macOS packages: one for 10.8 and older and > one for 10.9 and newer. In fact, I even noticed that the download page still > has the *logic* for 2 macOS DMGs to be available... It’s really hard to keep around a 10.7 machine to test. (At least for me.) All of the browsers stopped working properly on the iMac that I was holding back on. So, I had to upgrade our iMac8,1 to 10.11 (as far I could go.) I have an older Mac in storage. Next time I can I’ll retrieve it to see what OS X is on it. I think it is 2004 era … Regards, Dave > > Thoughts? > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
macOS - oldest supported version
Up to now, we've held 10.7 as the oldest version of OS X AOO is supported on. Even with 4.2.x this is still the case. However, if we allow for 10.9 to be the "oldest", we can help include some capabilities that we can't right now. For example, our support of RTTI and _si_class_type_info is pretty meager on macOS, due to that only being available starting w/ a 10.9 SDK and this impacts "our" full support of UNO. So I am wondering if maybe we should, to go along w/ CentOS7 as our base community builds, "upgrade" to 10.9 for our macOS ones. Alternatively, we could produce 2 macOS packages: one for 10.8 and older and one for 10.9 and newer. In fact, I even noticed that the download page still has the *logic* for 2 macOS DMGs to be available... Thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
