Re: [dev] drop configimport?

2008-04-11 Thread Stephan Bergmann

Stephan Bergmann wrote:
Are there any objections against dropping the configimport tool from OOo 
3.0?  It seems that its typical uses (if any) can also be achieved with 
other means (see 
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87512), so we can 
lose some weight here.


done (dropped)

-Stephan

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Re: [dev] Long paths on Windows

2008-04-11 Thread Stephan Bergmann

Oliver Brinzing wrote:

Hi,

a short question's regarding path's:

Is it generally a good idea to have space's and the version number
(for example OOo-dev 3.0,  Basis 3.0,...) inside the oo install 
path's ?


spaces: no idea if that is good or bad; when coming up with Basis 3.0 
I just followed prior art (OpenOffice.org 2.4)


version number: see What shall be the paths where the tree layers are 
installed, and is it necessary to encode any version numbers in those 
paths? in 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ODF_Toolkit/Efforts/Three-Layer_OOo


-Stephan

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Re: [dev] Long paths on Windows

2008-04-11 Thread Oliver Brinzing

Hi,

spaces: no idea if that is good or bad; when coming up with Basis 3.0 
I just followed prior art (OpenOffice.org 2.4)


that's true, but till oo 2.4 one had a chance to install to a path
without spaces and version numbering, like c:\programs\openoffice.
that's not possible anymore ...

Oliver

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Re: [dev] Proposal: SDK as optional package of the office installation

2008-04-11 Thread Kai Sommerfeld

Hi Jürgen,

 I really like the idea to make the SDK an optional package of the 
default OOo installation package bundle.


- Kai.

On 10.04.2008 14:34 Uhr, Juergen Schmidt - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg 
wrote:

Hi,

i have investigated a little bit into the SDK to make it working/running 
with the new 3 layer office - OO.org 3.0.


The SDK as it is doesn't work with the new structure and i would like to 
propose to make the SDK as an *optional* package of the normal office 
installation because it would simplify the whole SDK usage and 
configuration a lot. It's no really new idea and i have it mind for a 
long time. But now it seems to be the perfect time because the old 
structure doesn't work anymore and have to be changed anyway.


The only disadvantage so far is that the download becomes a little bit 
bigger. For the linux distros it shouldn't be a problem because they do 
it anyway on their own and for example on Ubuntu the SDK packages 
install already in a sub directory under the office installation.


Some more reasons why i think it would be a good move

1. it would ease the use and the configuration of the SDK a lot
2. everything in place if you want to program with or for OO.org
3. the *big* DevGuide (html and PDF) are removed anyway since 2.4 - the 
DevGuide is in the wiki online available
4. we can include the API IDL reference in the office help system. It's 
currently completely missing. Macro programmer have only a StarBasic 
runtime help but no API reference.
5. examples becomes independent. In the long term i would prefer 
NetBeans, Eclipse and MS Studio example projects as separate downloads 
or in cvs and documented in the wiki. Example would be easier to use, 
easier to maintain.

6. the support of different IDE's would be also simplified

What do you think? I would like to make this change for OO.org 3.0 and 
the visible impact is small. More or less only the GUI installer are 
effected and will offer tow additional optional installation options.

Everything else should be minor issues.

The impact for localization is small. Only two short names and 
descriptions for the new module sin the GUI installer. There is no need 
to translate the SDK completely. At least not for 3.0. From my point of 
view it doesn't make sense to translate the IDL reference. We can think 
about the other SDK html files but as mentioned before there is no need 
for 3.0.


Please share your opinions as well as your complains for this proposal 
as soon as possible here on the list.


Juergen

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Re: [dev] Long paths on Windows

2008-04-11 Thread Stephan Bergmann

Oliver Brinzing wrote:

Hi,

spaces: no idea if that is good or bad; when coming up with Basis 
3.0 I just followed prior art (OpenOffice.org 2.4)


that's true, but till oo 2.4 one had a chance to install to a path
without spaces and version numbering, like c:\programs\openoffice.
that's not possible anymore ...


Right.

I'm rather indifferent about the exact naming details (apart from the 
technically-imposed version numbers encoded in file names, of course), 
maybe other people want to give input.


-Stephan

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Re: [dev] Long paths on Windows

2008-04-11 Thread Stephan Bergmann

Stephan Bergmann wrote:
Applications on Windows are notorious for having problems with long file 
system paths.  Some expert on Windows can probably give more insight 
into the topic in general.  For OOo, the situation has always been that 
it can start to fail in mysterious ways if the installation path or the 
user installation path is too long (whatever too long is exactly). 
Since DEV300m4, the situation has become slightly worse, in that too 
long has apparently become a little shorter:


- For one, since OOo is now in three layers where the upper layers need 
to create paths to the lower ones, on Windows there is now a function 
(resolveLink, desktop/win32/source/extendloaderenvironment.cxx:1.4, l. 
115 ff) to create a new path from an absolute path and a text file 
containing a relative path.  The text file (basis-link resp. ure-link) 
typically contains a relative path starting with one or more .. 
segments, but resolveLink does not bother to remove these from the 
resulting new path.  That is, instead of the path


  C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org\Basis 3.0\program

you get the path

  C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org 3.0\..\OpenOffice.org\Basis 3.0\program

which is somewhat longer.  I will see to improve resolveLink in one of 
the next milestone builds.


see http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=88166

-Stephan

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