Re: [dev] Re: OpenOffice.org Product Development
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer wrote: Hi Sophie, Sophie wrote: I feel that currently there is a deep smog on our communication flow, see Rene's feeling today, mine on l10n, others on lingu list, may be a not so well balanced mail from Bjoern, whatever the great work he has done and the not answered question from Volker about odficons01. I guess we have some strange times to pass along. That should not disturb us from what we have to do: keep the community strong, working in confidence, attach importance to what really has, and forget the rest. Your last sentence really is a wise one and I thank you very much for it. But at the beginning of this paragraph you mixed very different things and put them together though they have completely different backgrounds. Yes, but even though, they have the same resonance. I don't know much about the things on l10n, linguistic and odficons, but my own experience from may years lets me think that they are the usual consequences of bad communication and mistakes on what side ever - just normal life that happens at times, not only currently. (Doesn't make it better, but also not an extraordinary event). The problems mentioned in the release status meeting are somewhat similar, though I dislike the reaction to them in the meeting. If people make mistakes, this shouldn't be brushed under the carpet. Nevertheless discussions about the mistakes should happen in a respectful manner and with an appropriate tone. So if you mention Rene's feeling in the meeting, what about the feelings of those being talked to so rudely as it is documented in the IRC logs of several meetings? Actually I feel like being a check box that has been unmarked, the option is no more the 'community voice' by default. This is what I'm highlighting, not the facts one by one (this should be discuss on the corresponding list of the corresponding projects). When you feel like that, you have several ways to react, it depends on human behavior, we are also a society. Now to the other things that IMHO should be seen as something different. I don't think that Björn's mail was unbalanced. There is only one person (Eric Bachard) that obviously read it as a personal attack. As Eric is already known to take nearly everything personally, I wouldn't give that too much attention. And Björn and I have reacted immediately to Eric's mail (though it was quite impolite), just to make things clear. Moreover, all the work from Björn has been presented and discussed on the dev list upfront, nothing was done in secrecy. I can't see how we could have done that much better (perhaps except of adding a footer This mail is not an attack against the education project or one of its members to every mail sent to an OOo list). There will always be people who misunderstand even the most balanced mails you can think of. If you are looking for not so well balanced mails: take the reply from Eric to Björn (though IMHO naming it not so well balanced would be an euphemism). The unbalanced was between the mail and the disclaimer on the wiki. Sorry that I didn't explain myself better adding confusion on something I found important. (BTW I never read Eric Bachard mails since almost 2 years or really by accident, this is irrelevant to my eyes). Björn has done a very important work and we should be all really thankfull to him. [you know there is always a but, here it comes ;-) ] But, when I saw this warning at the top of the log of the release minutes page [1], I thought of a contributor, where English is really not his beloved language. He will go away asap and won't contribute anymore once he has tried to read/understand this message. This not the goal of the wiki to discourage contributions... I will discuss this on the doc project when I have some time, but I wanted to clarify my not so balanced assertion. And Martin's blog? He has reasons not to vote for Thorsten and IMHO he is totally entitled to have them. He made them public to demonstrate that his no vote for Thorsten is not founded in personal problems with him, on the contrary: he doesn't want to give his vote to Thorsten in spite of the respect and sympathy he has for him in person. I can't see anything wrong here. I've nothing to say about Martin's blog, it is his position, I respect it and have said nothing on it. Still my position is to bring importance to what really has or is. Currently, communication in the product development area is going completely wrong, this should be underlined and the contributor willing to endorse the function of representation at the CC should be aware of the area covered by its role and its importance. [1] http://tinyurl.com/y9qkbme Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] Re: OpenOffice.org Product Development
Hi Thorsten, all, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Hi Martin, *, this is in response to your blog post here: http://blogs.sun.com/ratte/entry/openoffice_org_product_development (I'll separately post a blog entry about this, but would prefer discussion on this mailing list) You wrote: The only candidate now for the non-code contributing projects for the next round of council elections will be Thorsten Behrens. he's a well known great supporter of the hacker driven Product Development, from my perspective a good representative of the code contributors. But not for the non-code contributing PD projects of OOo as the charter of the CC states. It's difficult to do a no vote against the only candidate for this seat, especially if the candidate does good things for the project and I consider him as a good friend of mine. But we need a general review of the PD part of the project, and therefore I want to see a person representing the classical school of product development and call for a no-vote and call for new candidates. Martin, so do you really think someone capable of working on the strategic marketing plan will have _more_ time doing so when being a member of the CC? ;) More seriously, and as I wrote in my intro mail, I firmly believe that CC's central function is arbitration - i.e. talking to people, convincing folks, finding compromise. It's decidedly not the place to vote people into, because you need specific jobs A, B, or C done - that's what the different projects are for, for your example the marketing project. My selling point is surely not decades of marketing experience, but rather my ties into the wider community, for which I know very many people in person, and would call quite a few of them friends. I jump here. In your first introduction, that was not obvious that you will adopt this position of product dev representative. I for myself had also this question in mind. I've been one very concerned by the fact that nobody in the CC get the doc project or the QA project voices. For some times, product dev was only core code, and even if it's very important, that's not enough to deliver a good product. QA, is in the middle, Doc, Marketing and l10n are very important neighbors. This is the role of the product dev representative to give these projects a strong voice in the overall project. I've done QA work on CWS sponsoring a tinderbox, I know a fair bit about the economies strategies in FLOSS communities - and I do my legwork in advertising OOo, e.g. at CeBIT. As stated in my introduction mail, I'm explicitely running for this seat representing projects outside of raw code contribution in the council - in fact, I've always frowned upon the notion of being purely code contributor, qa engineer, or marketer - core to my motivation is my love for this project, that is OOo, and everything that's necessary to further its success. Across all camps. I've been able to see how you love this project, no doubt on that. I feel that currently there is a deep smog on our communication flow, see Rene's feeling today, mine on l10n, others on lingu list, may be a not so well balanced mail from Bjoern, whatever the great work he has done and the not answered question from Volker about odficons01. I guess we have some strange times to pass along. That should not disturb us from what we have to do: keep the community strong, working in confidence, attach importance to what really has, and forget the rest. I'm happy to see both Eike and you being candidates to the CC. Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] Need help with QUASTe updates - Thank you Sophie!
Hi Vito, vito smolej wrote: Sgauti wrote: Hi Vito, vito smolej wrote: Hi everybody: Context;: I am testing 320 m8 for the slovenian / Win version (and a startup on OSX). After making my usual round of screwups and oversights (no localized txt files, no access rights to userdata etc) I think I have my environment pat - or at least far better than at the beginning. I cant for whatever reason update the old (RED) test results with the latest (light / deep greeen, no errors) cases. Nor can I delete the test cases as indicated / promised (probably work in progress) in the QUASTe wiki page. If you are the one who upload them, you should be able to delete the test, but only if you are the owner of them. You need to login on QASTe and go to your language/plateform, when you get the list of test per module, there is a check box in front of the test, and a button to delete them at the bottom of the page. Says the documentation. But therte's no checkboxes in the last column - neither on my Win/FireFox nor OSX/Safari-generated page, just a dash, and I can click on it until cows come home - no effect. Otherwise I would not list cases below Strange, you got the dash when you're not login, otherwise, you should have a check box in front of the test, and a red cross at the bottom of the column to delete the checked tests. May be this is an issue between the address you gave for the TestTool and the one with which you login? it seems that the tool does not recognize you as the owner of the tests. Here's the cases I would like to update - it's all 320 m8 / Slovenian : *windows * * e_update.bas * f_window_functions.bas * f_wizards.bas the framework test are all green from what I see, you do not have to upload them again * d_updt.bas * i_updt_1,bas * i_updt_2.bas * m_updt.bas * w_updt.bas *OSX* * ch_updt:calc When you redo a test, delete the OOo user directory, it may also help to get the green light :) I have figured something like this myself in the mean time, but it is a minor issue - one case of two category 0 scripts biting each other ... I am letting it all cool for a moment - if there's errors I should either shut up (g) or get issues written. regards and thank you! You're welcome :) Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] Need help with QUASTe updates
Hi Vito, vito smolej wrote: Hi everybody: Context;: I am testing 320 m8 for the slovenian / Win version (and a startup on OSX). After making my usual round of screwups and oversights (no localized txt files, no access rights to userdata etc) I think I have my environment pat - or at least far better than at the beginning. I cant for whatever reason update the old (RED) test results with the latest (light / deep greeen, no errors) cases. Nor can I delete the test cases as indicated / promised (probably work in progress) in the QUASTe wiki page. If you are the one who upload them, you should be able to delete the test, but only if you are the owner of them. You need to login on QASTe and go to your language/plateform, when you get the list of test per module, there is a check box in front of the test, and a button to delete them at the bottom of the page. Here's the cases I would like to update - it's all 320 m8 / Slovenian : *windows * * e_update.bas * f_window_functions.bas * f_wizards.bas * d_updt.bas * i_updt_1,bas * i_updt_2.bas * m_updt.bas * w_updt.bas *OSX* * ch_updt:calc put it simpler: anything that's not light or dark green, needs to be replaced with newer test results. If there's a way I can do it myself, I would gladly do it, but the mechanism for updates is not as simple as I thought - possibly my deleting the old RES files screws it up. Also, a hint or URL on the role of OOo320m8/*.txt files would be welcome - do they get numbered, should they be cleared between tests etc. To summarize my errors (this may help others in a similar situation, I hope): i) do not screw around with keyboard and/or mouse, while Testtool is running. This is especially dangerous on long tests - for instance on w_updt. One mouse klick in the wrong moment and you can dump 30 or 40 minutes of your and machine time. ii) localize the test environment: in some units (writer, graphics) you may find BAS files in the tools subdirectory that will expand the environment. As far as I can tell, this is not expected / necessary for level 0 tests. iii) check the privileges for your program files /OOo subdirectory. Some tests depend on write rights (extension test for instance). When you redo a test, delete the OOo user directory, it may also help to get the green light :) Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] Errors using gsicheck on DEV300_m60
HI, Kristján Bjarni Guðmundsson wrote: I tried running gsicheck on the en-US.sdf file for the DEV300_m60 release and I am getting these errors: Error: File format, Line 72253, UniqueID uui/source\ids.src/title/)///: Source Language entry double. Treating as Translation. Error: File format, Line 72254, UniqueID uui/source\ids.src/title/)///: Source Language entry double. Treating as Translation. Error: File format, Line 72254, UniqueID uui/source\ids.src/title/)///: Translation Language entry double. Checking both. Error: File format, Line 72255, UniqueID uui/source\ids.src/title/)///: Source Language entry double. Treating as Translation. Error: File format, Line 72255, UniqueID uui/source\ids.src/title/)///: Translation Language entry double. Checking both. Error: File format, Line 72255, UniqueID uui/source\ids.src/title/)///: Translation Language entry double. Checking both. I there a newer version of gsicheck that I am supposed to use with the DEV300_m60 version? The latest version is 1.9.0, you can have it from here http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/gsicheck/ Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] Re: [l10n-dev] specs for Migration analysis module in 3.2
Hi Ivo, Ivo Hinkelmann wrote: Hi Sophie, d...@openoffice.org brought that into the source code with cws paw06 . Please ask him for further info. Thank you. EIS doesn't provide any information too, so I'll ask him. Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] Consolidating build instructions for the community
Hi Per,
Per Eriksson a écrit :
[...]
Thanks for all the kind words.
I have created the guide here:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Development/OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide
And these are the page created so far:
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Introduction
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Getting the source
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Basic Concepts
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Build Requirements
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Windows Build Requirements
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Mac OS X Build Requirements
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Linux Build Requirements
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Solaris Build Requirements
Now to the articles that describe the building for the various platforms.
I have read through the existing documentation, and come up with the
following headlines. Do anyone feel it should look differently?
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Building on Windows with Cygwin
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Building on Windows with Visual Studio
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Building on Mac OS X
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Building on Linux
OpenOffice.org_Building_Guide/Building on Solaris
thanks a lot for your work on this guide. Could you add the PDL licence
on the pages so that we can help where we can? The template we use is
{{PDL1}}. Thanks in advance.
Kind regards
Sophie
-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
