Re: [OSM-dev-fr] Bug plugin cadastre JOSM
2013/5/16 Cyrille Giquello cyrill...@gmail.com: Salut, Je ne connais pas se problème, mais une piste: as tu essayer l'OpenJdk 7 ? Quelqu'un avait signalé des problèmes avec openJdk. Mais il faut tenter le coup. Sinon, il y a aussi quelqu'un qui avait des problèmes avec la version 64bits de java mais c'était sur windows. Un autre test à faire avec la version 32 bits, pour voir. Pieren ___ dev-fr mailing list dev-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev-fr
Re: [OSM-dev] Ads for front page - Proposed solutions
On 16.05.2013 18:59, Rob Nickerson wrote: I have no idea what the CWG vote was on and I can't find the up to date minutes to check it. I would very much appreciate a clear and documented statment from the CWG and/or the board. I remember my disapintment before SOTM-EU at Vienna that the inclusion into the front page was refused and some times later SOTM-US was added. I also believe that a email distribution list would help. I don't comply with this: I clearly don't want to be spammed by Emails. And eg. I read the Wochennotiz = I don't rely that much on the other emails that much. Furthermore: a banner also addresses persons up to now not part of the community (= w/o an OSM account!). So IMHO the banner is fine if there are clear and defined rules everybody is taking care about. And these rules may not change every few days. Best regards, Michael. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Using Google Street View Player with my own panoramic images
Can any legal experts help me out? I'm using Google's Street View player to look at panoramic images that I've taken, and would now like to update the OSM database to reflect what I see (stores, fire hydrants, etc.) The Street View Player is not explicitly spelled out in the terms of service: http://www.google.com/intl/en-US_US/help/terms_maps.html Obviously, we can't use Google Street Views themselves (the images) nor the map data, so would there be any problem using the player to make a local database from non-Google panoramic images? In particular, under *1. Use of the Products*. Google grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable license to access the Google Maps service, to download and use the Google Earth software and service, and to access the Content (as defined below) within the Products and according to the Terms. *2. Restrictions on Use*. ... (g) use the Products to create a database of places or other local listings information. Products seem to refer to the map contents, not the player to view images. But wanted to run it by someone with more expertise before I start making OSM edits based on pictures I've taken being viewed in Google's Street View Player. KRPano makes a panoramic image viewer, but needs WebGL to run as HTML5, otherwise it uses Flash, which I'd prefer to avoid. Any other suggestions on an alternative player, should it be necessary? Thanks, Tac ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Using Google Street View Player with my own panoramic images
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Tac Tacelosky tac...@gmail.com wrote: Can any legal experts help me out? I'm using Google's Street View player to look at panoramic images that I've taken, and would now like to update the OSM database to reflect what I see (stores, fire hydrants, etc.) The Street View Player is not explicitly spelled out in the terms of service: http://www.google.com/intl/en-US_US/help/terms_maps.html Obviously, we can't use Google Street Views themselves (the images) nor the map data, so would there be any problem using the player to make a local database from non-Google panoramic images? In particular, under *1. Use of the Products*. Google grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable license to access the Google Maps service, to download and use the Google Earth software and service, and to access the Content (as defined below) within the Products and according to the Terms. *2. Restrictions on Use*. ... (g) use the Products to create a database of places or other local listings information. Products seem to refer to the map contents, not the player to view images. But wanted to run it by someone with more expertise before I start making OSM edits based on pictures I've taken being viewed in Google's Street View Player. KRPano makes a panoramic image viewer, but needs WebGL to run as HTML5, otherwise it uses Flash, which I'd prefer to avoid. Any other suggestions on an alternative player, should it be necessary? Dear Tac, What did Google say when you asked them? And what did your lawyer say? That quote from 2(g) seems pretty clear. ~Don't do it. If you want to argue that, ~Don't do it doesn't apply because of a special condition in your case; well, then you are making that argument. But that would be an argument. Perhaps a legal argument. Perhaps an expensive legal argument. :-) From an abundance of caution, I'd not use the Google software for the purposes of OpenStreetMap, without the consent of Google (and OSMF). But that's me. So why don't you ask them? If I remember correctly, several OpenStreetMap contributors have built their own similar camera rigs in past. Why not join your experiences with theirs, contribute to their Open Source efforts and build a completely open stack? You could still sell your hardware into that market after helping to launch that market with an open stack. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Using Google Street View Player with my own panoramic images
Hi, On 17 May 2013 13:33, Tac Tacelosky tac...@gmail.com wrote: Can any legal experts help me out? I'm using Google's Street View player to look at panoramic images that I've taken, and would now like to update the OSM database to reflect what I see (stores, fire hydrants, etc.) The Street View Player is not explicitly spelled out in the terms of service: http://www.google.com/intl/en-US_US/help/terms_maps.html Obviously, we can't use Google Street Views themselves (the images) nor the map data, so would there be any problem using the player to make a local database from non-Google panoramic images? In particular, under 1. Use of the Products. Google grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable license to access the Google Maps service, to download and use the Google Earth software and service, and to access the Content (as defined below) within the Products and according to the Terms. 2. Restrictions on Use. ... (g) use the Products to create a database of places or other local listings information. Products seem to refer to the map contents, not the player to view images. But wanted to run it by someone with more expertise before I start making OSM edits based on pictures I've taken being viewed in Google's Street View Player. KRPano makes a panoramic image viewer, but needs WebGL to run as HTML5, otherwise it uses Flash, which I'd prefer to avoid. Any other suggestions on an alternative player, should it be necessary? Nick Whitelegg's OpenTrailView (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenTrailView) had developed a simple javascript library for browsing free panoramas but it's not as smooth as Google's. Writing one using either canvas of WebGL shouldn't be too difficult. As for Google's library, you could check the headers of the javasciprt sources for a license information. If there's nothing there and the Google Maps TOU say nothing (as you argument) then you can't really assume any license other than all rights reserved and should ask Google about it. Cheers ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Ads for front page - Proposed solutions
I also believe that a email distribution list would help. I don't comply with this: I clearly don't want to be spammed by Emails. Hi Michael, That was incredibly selective quoting of my original text and makes me wonder why I bothered putting my ideas down in writing. As noted any email list would be opt-in only; something I addressed as an issue in the sentence following the part you have quoted. Furthermore due to the decreasing popularity (and visibility) of RSS, some OSM users may actually like a monthly email delivered to them. I don't want to be overwhelmed by irrelevant banners, and hence I tried to propose some alternatives. I'm sorry you didn't like them. Rob ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Using Google Street View Player with my own panoramic images
I'm no legal expert but Products and Content is defined by Google: By downloading, installing, or using the Google Earth software, accessing or using the Google Maps service (together, the Products or Services), or accessing or using any of the content available within the Products... To me, the viewer is a product and therefore is bound by the rules in the terms of use. In any case, isn't the StreetView viewer Flash? Firefox claims it is when I force quit the plugin-container process. If this is the case then why not use KRPano? Regards, Rob ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Using Google Street View Player with my own panoramic images
There must be some situations where the streetview player comes up in Flash, but the tool that Google provides is javascript. An older version of our product supported a Flash-based view that had a different tiling system, which required us to render all the tiles twice. Except for the OSM community, everyone want to see it in the Google street view player. It's fast and easy. Still, I'd like to offer something that can be used to update the OSM database, and am trying to find a solution. One of our developers is trying to change the viewer to use Leaflet for the panoramic tiles. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Leaflet supports scaled zooming, so images would always be a exact zoom levels, not fractional zoom levels. We may end up trying KRPano as well, but I don't know if it gives us all the events we need. Thanks, Tac On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote: I'm no legal expert but Products and Content is defined by Google: By downloading, installing, or using the Google Earth software, accessing or using the Google Maps service (together, the Products or Services), or accessing or using any of the content available within the Products... To me, the viewer is a product and therefore is bound by the rules in the terms of use. In any case, isn't the StreetView viewer Flash? Firefox claims it is when I force quit the plugin-container process. If this is the case then why not use KRPano? Regards, Rob ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Overpass DEV url?
I'm getting a bunch of data from the Overpass API, and about to test updating it. I don't want to test on the live server, so I'm using http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/. But the id's don't seem to work -- that is, the ID's that come back from overpass aren't in (or are the same) as on the dev site. Is there either an Overpass dev site I can use (to get the right id's), or is there another solution to testing that I'm not seeing? Thanks, Tac ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Overpass DEV url?
On 17/05/13 19:45, Tac Tacelosky wrote: But the id's don't seem to work -- that is, the ID's that come back from overpass aren't in (or are the same) as on the dev site. The dev site is completely separate, with a separate database, so only has whatever small amounts of data people have chosen to enter. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Overpass DEV url?
How can we enter a small bunch of data into dev server? Using josm didnot work, and there are no data in my area to test. I tried using the iD dev mode, but the process is highly time consuming On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 17/05/13 19:45, Tac Tacelosky wrote: But the id's don't seem to work -- that is, the ID's that come back from overpass aren't in (or are the same) as on the dev site. The dev site is completely separate, with a separate database, so only has whatever small amounts of data people have chosen to enter. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ __**_ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/devhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
