Re: [OSM-dev] Sending messages to users

2014-05-08 Thread NopMap

Hi!

I strongly advice against a general mass messaging API. If there is a
messaging API it can be used for spamming. That we already have minor
spamming issues is no argument for making them worse.

A mechanism where a user has to explicitly opt-in into receiving mass
messages when authorizing and application might work.

A major point when I am advertising OSM and trying to recruit new mappers is
the statement: Just make an account, it's simple, free and guaranteed that
you get no SPAM or ads.

Breaking with that might make a very bad impression. Even putting an opt-in
OSM mechanism into the service of one or a few selected applications might
hurt the neutral and unproblematic status.

Therefore I believe it is a good thing that there is no way to send mass
mails through OSM and would like to keep it that way.

bye, Nop




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Re: [OSM-dev] Sending messages to users

2014-05-08 Thread Alex Barth
A messaging API that uses an OAuth based flow would be a great thing to
have and it would be hard to abuse for spamming. Messages could only be
sent from applications users have explicitly opted in to and only to users
who have allowed this application to send them messages (opt-in or opt-out
for messaging preferences TBD).

I think the map roulette use case is a great illustration of how such a
messaging API would facilitate better tools in the OSM orbit. Messaging is
a huge part of building good web tools.



On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all,

 MapRoulette has made a choice to try to collect as little data from
 our users as possible. We don't require a separate login other than
 from osm.org, we don't collect email addresses or anything else.

 This is good for MapRoulette users, and I think good for OSM in
 general that we don't have lots of separate systems.

 The problem is that we are needing to send messages to users. Ideally,
 those messages would go through osm.org.

 Otherwise, we have to build our own messaging system, or start
 collecting user information (email address, etc.).


 The reason I've been told that we don't allow for an API to messaging
 is that we don't want spam, but:

 1. This is a legitimate issue, of needing to message users, both in
 this context and in other contexts (DWG comes to mind of a place where
 we would benefit from this).

 2. We already have spam issues on osm.org. I clean up spam not
 infrequently in the form of notes, which can be anonymous, but we also
 get spam from signed in users, as well as profiles, etc.

 3. I'm not arguing that we need to make this feature available to
 every single user, but it might be a nice thing to allow for some use
 cases as above.


 What do others think?

 - Serge

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