Re: [OSM-dev] Data source for robot

2010-10-12 Thread Jan Sandbrink
I understand that many people say bots are bad because of bad 
expierences


but i don't see the point when you say


You seem to be tackling it from the perspective that running
a bot is the right way to solve it, and it's not.


This is just you are not of my opinion and as long as you are not this 
is going nowhere...


sorry, but what i see happening on the list a lot of times is, that 
people who just want to contribute somehow are smashed into the ground.


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Re: [OSM-dev] Data source for robot

2010-10-12 Thread Jan Sandbrink

obviously they are either good enough in
there current status or no one cares about it. there is 0 benefit in
automatic edits.


Are you serious?
What about the guy that wants to use any kind of routing software to go 
from A to B?
if streets are not connected in a place where nobody cares this means he 
will get redirected over some areas where people care.


Hell, this whole discussion looks like a witch-hunt. Because all 
robot-edits are the devil. And the general tone here is very 
discouraging for everyone that might think about investing time into OSM.


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Re: [OSM-dev] ESRI article sent by a friend

2010-07-16 Thread Jan Sandbrink
Don't know if you can really make a hard cut, saying what is an import 
and what not. Or to make it more clear:
What is the difference between a good import of some data that is 10 
years old and a mapper that is drawing areas based on some 
landsat-imagery (which is as far as i know from 2003)? Both do add loads 
of data from a foreign source.


I don't think that old or imported data is a problem, as long as the 
import-quality is okay. (e.g. do not import data that we already have 
(street on an street)).


Jan

Am 16.07.2010 12:32, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:

2010/7/12 Stefan de Koninkste...@konink.de:

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Op 12-07-10 14:15, Mike N. schreef:

If the filters are
predefined and the data is never shown for editing or rendering, why
have it?


For the simple reason that there is not only one rendering of /the/
OpenStreetMap map.



I can see the point in this, but I'd rather prefer an openimportmap
with a separate database, where you can upload all kind of rubbish and
keep the main OSM-db as clean as possible from imports. There are
actually a lot of mappers that go out and collect unique
geoinformation manually, and I think that this is the key feature of
OSM.

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-dev] foreign key constraint violation in live-api

2010-05-04 Thread Jan Sandbrink
As far as I know the API (and I only know it from wiki-doc) it could 
only be a problem if you are trying to upload a way, whose nodes are not 
uploaded at that moment. So this should not happen in parallel.


Am 04.05.2010 13:36, schrieb IgnacioZ:
They were done in a for loop and before I start the next request, I 
receive the answer, though by looking at my code it could happen that 
two requests are done in parallel, after receiving the Id of the 
previous one, I continue and the previous connection may not have been 
finalized (they are different instances).


Do you think that could be the reason ?



On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu 
mailto:t...@compton.nu wrote:


On 04/05/10 12:16, IgnacioZ wrote:

How do you plan to do that before you know what the bug is?

By looking at the code...


Good luck with that...


If you do what I asked and file a ticket in trac with the
information
I requested, or even provide that information here, then I might
actually be able to tell you what the problem is.

I will provide it here:

URL:
http://api.openstreetmap.org//api/0.6/node/create

HTTP Method: POST

XML:
osmnode changeset=4588121 lat=-31.428261
lon=-64.186582tag
k=name v=Beto's/tag k=amenity v=fast_food//node/osm

If you take a look at that changeset you will see that there
are other
elements that where added correctly.


Am I right in suspecting that you were uploading multiple objects
in parallel by sending different requests on different connections?

Tom

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Re: [OSM-dev] foreign key constraint violation in live-api

2010-05-04 Thread Jan Sandbrink
Perhaps one should add a hint to 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.6 that parallel uploads _may_ 
cause problems.
I could add this to the wiki if you want, but I would only do so if you 
think this is useful.
 but I suspect it was the
 parallel upload that led to the deadlock and that it explains why other
 people don't see the same problems.


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[OSM-dev] Wrong display of urls in tags

2010-04-28 Thread Jan Sandbrink
Hello,
when you are on a page like: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/671785382

The http: is cut out of the value.
In this example the tag wikipedia has a value of http://* but only //* 
is displayed.

Best regards
Jan S.

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