[OSM-dev] Question: Symbols in JOSM
I've just loaded an osm-File and every node was represented by a yellow symbol that looked very much like a 'no parking sign'. It confused me a bit. A screenshot may be seen here: http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs330d=08326f=josm_shot_1473.jpg What does this mean? -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Question: Symbols in JOSM
Am Sa, 9.08.2008, 16:34, schrieb Christoph Eckert: Hi, What does this mean? maybe you applied senseless tags to nodes. What's senseless with this? --- node id=284158640 lat=47.9064667 lon=7.9493833 user=m*sh visible=true timestamp=2008-08-06T08:20:51+01:00 tag k=ele v=1158/ tag k=source v=survey/ tag k=natural v=mountain/ tag k=tracktype v=grade2/ tag k=surface v=unpaved/ /node --- -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Question: Symbols in JOSM
Am Sa, 9.08.2008, 17:12, schrieb 80n: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:37 PM, m*sh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's senseless with this? --- node id=284158640 lat=47.9064667 lon=7.9493833 user=m*sh visible=true timestamp=2008-08-06T08:20:51+01:00 tag k=ele v=1158/ tag k=source v=survey/ tag k=natural v=mountain/ tag k=tracktype v=grade2/ tag k=surface v=unpaved/ /node --- tracktype=grade2 and surface=unpaved are more commonly associated with ways than with nodes. Well, the dataformat I have developped for my mapper is unfortunately completely different to the OSM-Format. E.g. there is no such thing as a 'WAY'. Instead each WP contains a list of node-ids that it is *connected to*. (Which are usually two other nodes in case of a way or three or more in case of a junction, or just one if it's a dead-end - or even zero for a building or other POIs) Thus the connections are used by my renderer to establish 'ways' just on the screen (or used for routing purposes) - and thus I do not have tags to export for ways in a specific manner. But in order to get my Data into OSM without losing too many information I've been asking around in the forums and other mailing lists where I have been told to tag as much information as possible. And very detailed information is available. I won't go through more than 130.000 nodes and re-edit them before uploading. I've done a lot of work to 'convert' the properties of my system into tags as it is described in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tags I thought it doesn't matter what kind of tags you assign to anything. Furthermore especially unpaved ways and tracks are changing every now and then - which was the very reason why I do not have ways with their own properties. Sometimes it's cobblestones, threehundred meters onward it's just an almost invisible mud-track, and finally turns to a paved way before you arrive at a hut or something (back in civilization). And this is the reason why in my system every node has these attributes - because it's changing. I am trying to put my data into OSM best as I can and in a manner that will be useful for those interested in the specific areas, but I'd actually be glad if this doesnt take as long as it took me to collect the data (which is five and a half year now). -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Question: Symbols in JOSM
Am Sa, 9.08.2008, 17:55, schrieb Igor Brejc: 80n wrote: tracktype=grade2 and surface=unpaved are more commonly associated with ways than with nodes. ... and what does natural=mountain designate? It says that it is a mountain area - which from my point of view differs much from a desert, a lagoon, or an industrial or housing area. as stated in my other mail. I have a different system running and want to contribute my work to OSM now... -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Question: Symbols in JOSM
Am Sa, 9.08.2008, 18:47, schrieb Igor Brejc: m*sh wrote: I would recommend the following approach: 1. First do your conversion to OSM data locally only That's in progress, but it will take some time to implement ways as they are handled in OSM (and with relation it is a similar problem). 2. Using some OSM renderer (Mapnik, Osmarender, Kosmos...) as a testbed try to improve your conversion algorithm as much as possible. I try to - and as you can see I've found something stranged, asked a question (here!) and so I am learning to make it better before I start uploading the stuff. But unfortunately I don't get along very well with the renderers you've mentioned ... (usability). I wouldn't recommend keeping the tags meant for ways (tracktype, surface, ...) on your nodes. Yes sure, I haven't been aware that the column element in the tags-list http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tags [See my other mail to Frederik Ramm for a deeper explanation] That's one important thing I have loearned now. Regards, Thanks fou your acdvices. -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Please publish the current db schema
Am Fr, 8.08.2008, 16:23, schrieb Joachim Zobel: Or use Brett Henderson's ready made schema dump: http://gweb.bretth.com/osm_schema_latest.sql Unfortunately this is not really the latest. At least it does not have relations. To me it looks like it has relations --cut- CREATE TABLE `current_relation_members` (... ...) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8; CREATE TABLE `current_relation_tags` (... ... ...) ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8; CREATE TABLE `current_relations` (... --cut -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Strange: nodes appearing at Lat 0 Lon 0
Hi, I've just noticed a strange thing: When I delete a node it is obviously added to location Lat 0.0 Lon 0.0 There are some 600 around there. I could positively reproduce that: + Only 1 delete operation results in a new node at Lat 0.0 Lon 0.0 Any ideas what's goin' wrong? -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Strange: nodes appearing at Lat 0 Lon 0 - Additional Info
Am Mi, 6.08.2008, 18:53, schrieb Tom Hughes: Is this the way OSM deletes nodes? Does it delete properties and put coords to Lat 0.0 Lon 0.0 (And clean it up at some other time)? No. Not if they are deleted properly. What client are you using? I m sending this xml-structure as a stream ---cut- ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? osm version=0.5 generator=yMap node id=278952579 /node /osm ---cut-- Using this: 'http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/node/nn' URL - where nn is the ID of the node The HTTP-Request-Method is DELETE. -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Strange: nodes appearing at Lat 0 Lon 0 - Additional Info
Am Mi, 6.08.2008, 19:43, schrieb Tom Hughes: m*sh wrote: The HTTP-Request-Method is DELETE. No, the request method is PUT which is why they aren't being deleted. excerpts wiki: [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.5] Purpose HTTP Method and URL Payload Request Response CreationPUT /api/0.5/objtype/create XML per DTD id Retrieval GET /api/0.5/objtype/id n/a XML per DTD Update PUT /api/0.5/objtype/id XML per DTD empty DeletionDELETE /api/0.5/objtype/id n/a n/a --- So, is the wiki wrong? Actually I am using a 'put' command but the Request method should be DELETE --- I've changed it and got the same results :-( You should stop using yMap (whatever that is) until it is fixed... It's my mapper I wrote some five years ago and since I heard from OSM in June I am trying to make it work with OSM-Data as well. (Just as a short explanation) Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Strange: nodes appearing at Lat 0 Lon 0 - Additional Info
Am Mi, 6.08.2008, 19:59, schrieb Marc Schütz: Am Mittwoch, 6. August 2008 21:43 schrieb Tom Hughes: The HTTP-Request-Method is DELETE. No, the request method is PUT which is why they aren't being deleted. If I'm reading the API specs correctly, there shouldn't be a payload on DELETE. I tried it without a payload but got an error without this. -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Strange: nodes appearing at Lat 0 Lon 0 - Additional Info
Am Mi, 6.08.2008, 20:29, schrieb Marc Schütz: Here is what JOSM does, maybe it helps: Client - Server: DELETE /api/0.5/node/285567671 HTTP/1.1 The Indy-components that I am using dont have a DELETE-Command - only PUT GET plus a *Request* modifier that is: GET DELETE OR PUT -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Strange: nodes ...(solved?)
Am Mi, 6.08.2008, 20:24, schrieb Tom Hughes: No, you misunderstood. You should be doing DELETE but when I looked at the logs for that node you gave the ID for I could see you were actually sending a PUT request. Actually I am using a 'put' command but the Request method should be DELETE --- I've changed it and got the same results :-( I very much doubt that. People delete nodes all the time without these problems. I think you must still be doing a PUT if you are seeing problems. Sorry, you misunderstood, because my framework does not have a DELETE-Command for HTTP-Communication. That's why I was using the DELETE as Request - (with a put command). And when you wrote No, the request method is PUT which is why they aren't being deleted. I thought I should exchange the DELETE-Request for a PUT-Request. Which actually resulted in the same unwanted behaviour. Now I have echanged the HTTP-PUT-COMMAND into a GET which didn't require the payload as well - and it seems to work. I'll do some testing and clean up. -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Waypoint-Upload
Hi, I am currently finalizing my efforts to make my GPS-Mapper (yMap) work together with OSM. Generally everything works - but it's awfully slow on Uploading and deleting WayPoints. As I understand the protocol one sends a new Waypoint to OSM and receives the new ID in return. So you can additionally make up a way with the new ids and upload the way as well. But doing a send for each single WP takes awfully long (in my implementation) - and JOSM is quite a bit faster. So my question is: What am I doing wrong? Is there a way of sending multiple WPs and receiving mutliple node-ids? Is there a way of deleting multiple WPs in one command (listing the ids in question)? I am getting an error if I send more than one WP at a time. Any help is appreciated - TNX -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://yMap4OSM.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Waypoint-Upload
Am Mi, 16.07.2008, 15:01, schrieb Frederik Ramm: JOSM does it just like that. Your problem might be authentication - do a tcpdump and check whether your HTTP library perhaps sends, for every single node, a request without auth first, then receives a forbidden answer and then re-tries with auth. Some libraries do this and it obviously increases processing time quite a bit. Thanks for the hint - I'll have a look at it. I am getting an error if I send more than one WP at a time. Doesn't work yet, but is planned for 0.6 Sounds nice -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] When mental models go wrong: OpenStreetMap
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dave, That's cool. There's no question we need better editors, and any improvements you can help with will really help. If you have any coding experience then check out the code in svn and see what you can do :-) I'll try it the other way round. I already have written a GPS-Map-Editor some 5 years ago. Currently I am changing it so it will be capable (and aware) of OSM-style and OSM-tags and everything. I got pretty far with that in the last 4 weeks. Currently I am in the last testing and finetuning. I hope to be able to contribute a good and sufficient editor for those who have difficulties to get along with Potlatch or JOSM. I think it will be an alternative. I'll inform you on this list when a beta is released and testers are needed. - -- - -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://yMap4OSM.blog.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIbyyU+62Q1j2JM1YRAjuBAKCbsjbf5OqjFZB/3VVZRCfZwmWUigCeLo/+ sXJnNNoXWxapq+DJyGu201g= =ki9L -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] When mental models go wrong: OpenStreetMap
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lauri Hahne wrote: [...] 1. Ways - There are one kind of ways in the database. Ways can have attributes (tags) but aren't required. - The tagging scheme suggest there are many kinds of ways (highway, cycleway, aeroway...) - Potlatch and JOSM's preset (and mappaint?) system allow you to pick a type for way. - We have questions such as how can I turn this way into a bridge or how can I create a bridge-way at #osm once in a while. [...] Ways are IMHO somewhat mis-designed; at that point I agree with you. i must admit that I have not too much of a deep insight into some parts of the data model - due to being involved since just 4 weeks now. Moreover, IMHO ways are completely obsolete. Every kind of attribute you need can be represented within a node. And it can be represented _easier_ by just attributing the nodes. Think of the third world, where roads are often not covered with tarmac - - the surface changes every now and then. With OSM you have to split it up in several ways, each attributed accordingly. All you would need is an item or *tag* k='connect' v='node_id' So you could connect nodes to a way, and you could easily turn two nodes within a road into a bridge if it has not been set appropriately before. Any renderer has to use the nodes anyway to make up a way so it has to look at the nodes - WHY look at and interpret the ways additionally? Admittedly any software would need a fix on that. But the major part (dropping the ways and setting the connections) should be a matter of a simple script. Just my 2 cents on your thoughts - -- - -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://yMao4OSM.blog.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIbcEl+62Q1j2JM1YRAmZWAJ9iJAYD+zD86NqQc31WBXhDE0MsRACcCrfC qXcy9tuXsL8+2GzeXgvVjNU= =95dP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] When mental models go wrong: OpenStreetMap
Am Fr, 4.07.2008, 12:39, schrieb Erik Johansson: This has come up before, in different ways each time. I know started thinking that any editor would first let you choose the type, and then let you draw it, like in Google Map Maker. But since we had the segments untagged in the beginning I think the easiest path was to add tagging after you draw. Why should there be any order at all? I do not understand that. Except for the very basic fact that you usually have raw data from your GPSr that you are editing. So first there is the Waypoint or Way and then you edit its properties. And if you create an additional node manually you may chose what to edit first - the North/West-Values or the tags... -- -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] When mental models go wrong: OpenStreetMap]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Stubbs wrote: Yeah, there's no really good reason why you need to edit in that order, other than it's easier to program, and probably more how most people think. No it's not. Our dynamic ontology, and largely tag ambivalent editors are why it's that way round. I can prove the opposite. That all changes if I have a SimCity like setup where I choose the road tool, then the rail tool, and then the water tool etc.. but that requires the editors to work with map features (presets) as the starting point rather than an afterthought. No. That's only just because most of you seem to think of an map editor in a similar way as gimp or photoshop, where you have to select a tool and then aply something or other at you image/selection. I am thinking of a map-editor in a way just like a text-editor. You can chose a bold font first and the write some text, but you can as well do it the other way round and write text first and highlight afterwards the sequence of characters in question with the appropriate font/style. It just doesn't matter. As written before - I do not intend to overstress this topic but I want to get a deeper insight in you schemes to contribute my work. - -- - -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFIbl14+62Q1j2JM1YRAsCzAKCHWgZBaN3FBjTKI6StqKywPuz1VgCXQysl gNvcLRClRQQCijksCmkRKQ== =Fr8D -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] When mental models go wrong: OpenStreetMap]]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Stubbs wrote: Yeah, there's no really good reason why you need to edit in that order, other than it's easier to program, and probably more how most people think. No it's not. Our dynamic ontology, and largely tag ambivalent editors are why it's that way round. I can prove the opposite. That all changes if I have a SimCity like setup where I choose the road tool, then the rail tool, and then the water tool etc.. but that requires the editors to work with map features (presets) as the starting point rather than an afterthought. No. That's only just because most of you seem to think of an map editor in a similar way as gimp or photoshop, where you have to select a tool and then aply something or other at you image/selection. I am thinking of a map-editor in a way just like a text-editor. You can chose a bold font first and the write some text, but you can as well do it the other way round and write text first and highlight afterwards the sequence of characters in question with the appropriate font/style. It just doesn't matter. As written before - I do not intend to overstress this topic but I want to get a deeper insight in you schemes to contribute my work. - -- - -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] take a look at my blogs: http://sha-mash.blog.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIbl2g+62Q1j2JM1YRAi7/AKCGMwgL5b8r6omHpO2yCchFH0lwyQCgqJdK dEPzf3T+cjd2zSUi8d9AdpQ= =C1mq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Tools like Osmosis {like any Windows based in existance yet?}
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fire Girl wrote: Hi, are there any new windows based projects that will extract OSM data, like Osmosis, but don't require .NET or Java5 installation? :) I am working on something (shortly before finishing). But it's not a Commandlinetool. It's a visaul map editor (that doesn't need any installation). If you want to beta test - just contact me. I could give you something to test within two weeks or so - -- - -m*sh- ___ |harry w. graner |mail: hy [_at_] sha-mash [_dot_] de |--- [public gpg-key on request] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIWf0F+62Q1j2JM1YRAuL5AKCL0Q1RHuRc5XBBQ7gNgxW5uUQLhgCfdakh MlRjP4dOp81cfme/lCyIgeQ= =m4jF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
