Re: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
Hi, On 07/11/2012 12:59 AM, Anthony wrote: Starting this week, we will be 'redacting' the contributions (less than 1%) from the live database that are not compatible with the new Contributor Terms and Open Database Licence (ODbL) What is the algorithm to determine what gets removed? https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-license-change Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
Am 11.07.2012 04:58, schrieb Paul Norman: What exact attribution does OSMF intend to use when the tiles are a mix of old tiles and new tiles? As far as I know the Tile license should not change, right? The attribution therefore could mention both probably or determine it tilewise by date (tiles rendered after final license switchover/rendered before). The render timestamp is known for all tiles. But no idea what's planned by the admins (btw.: osm.org does not use any attribution anyway for the data source, so whay should change? at that's fact for the last months/years, any (new) discussion about if that's necessary could be shifted a few more weeks/months. regards Peter ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 07/11/2012 12:59 AM, Anthony wrote: Starting this week, we will be 'redacting' the contributions (less than 1%) from the live database that are not compatible with the new Contributor Terms and Open Database Licence (ODbL) What is the algorithm to determine what gets removed? https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-license-change Is there a summary (non-code) suitable for my lawyer to read? ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
Hi, On 07/11/12 14:35, Anthony wrote: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-license-change Is there a summary (non-code) suitable for my lawyer to read? Not that I am aware of. We started something on the Wiki but that has remained in a state of early brainstorming and does not reflect the current algorithm details: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/What_is_clean%3F I think that from a legal perspective, the algorithm is less relevant than the outcome. If, after the change is through, someone can pinpoint a case where protected intellectual property of a non-agreer is demonstrably still in the database, then it needs to be fixed, no matter how good the algorithm was sounding. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
This is slightly off-topic on dev, but anyway please see the discussion here https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1ntJ5zd2oq_EgpFxZCeJPGbCxz1oeeEu4YSmeOmyrSuE From a licence point of view reimporting the database is the important step (if you are actually publishing/distributing the data or products), that gives you the freedom to licence tiles as you wish as long as you attribute. I personally believe that this is really a non-issue, we will literally have 100s if not 1000s of sites with slightly wrong attribution strings for a long time. Simon Am 10.07.2012 03:35, schrieb Paul Norman: From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] Subject: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin Once it is complete, we will be ready to distribute data under the ODbL and we'll advise of that with a separate announcement. The final pre- redaction dataset available under CC-BY-SA has now been generated at http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-120704.osm.bz2 . Where data has been redacted, any attempt to access it from the API or the site's 'browse' pages will return a response to that effect. To transition from tiles derived from a CC BY-SA source to tiles derived from a ODbL source will require changing the attribution and regenerating all tiles so that CC BY-SA data is not mis-represented as being ODbL data. What time period will data be available under dual licenses so that tile servers will not have to reload their database then immediately delete every cached tile when changing their attribution? When I discussed this with Frederik awhile back I suggested publishing the first post-redaction planet as dual-licensed as well as one week of diffs to allow tile servers to continue to serve old CC BY-SA tiles and re-render over the course of a week. At the very least I would suggest distributing the first post-redaction planet as dual-licensed for the simple reason that all the information to create it will be available as CC BY-SA. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
Hi Paul, We discussed this tonight at LWG https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1W7eh17a7cEUilpbictKYnWJfHoxIcA1W_tPEmqvmDkc item 5 We do not think temporary dual-licensing is particularly practical or necessary provided that we allow consumers reasonable time to make their attribution string changes. We are happy to re-visit this if there is any strong reason we are not seeing. Mike LWG / From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:richard at systemeD.net http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev] // Subject: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin // // Once it is complete, we will be ready to distribute data under the ODbL // and we'll advise of that with a separate announcement. The final pre- // redaction dataset available under CC-BY-SA has now been generated at // http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-120704.osm.bz2 . Where data has // been redacted, any attempt to access it from the API or the site's // 'browse' pages will return a response to that effect. / To transition from tiles derived from a CC BY-SA source to tiles derived from a ODbL source will require changing the attribution and regenerating all tiles so that CC BY-SA data is not mis-represented as being ODbL data. What time period will data be available under dual licenses so that tile servers will not have to reload their database then immediately delete every cached tile when changing their attribution? When I discussed this with Frederik awhile back I suggested publishing the first post-redaction planet as dual-licensed as well as one week of diffs to allow tile servers to continue to serve old CC BY-SA tiles and re-render over the course of a week. At the very least I would suggest distributing the first post-redaction planet as dual-licensed for the simple reason that all the information to create it will be available as CC BY-SA. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Starting this week, we will be 'redacting' the contributions (less than 1%) from the live database that are not compatible with the new Contributor Terms and Open Database Licence (ODbL) What is the algorithm to determine what gets removed? ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
Hello all, I'm pleased to announce that the licence change bot is ready to get underway. Starting this week, we will be 'redacting' the contributions (less than 1%) from the live database that are not compatible with the new Contributor Terms and Open Database Licence (ODbL) - in other words, they will no longer be accessible. We are expecting to begin on _Wednesday_ (9th July) assuming a couple of final setup details are completed by then. The bot will run in the following order: 1. Ireland 2. UK 3. Western Europe 4. North America 5. Australia 6. rest of the world Once it is complete, we will be ready to distribute data under the ODbL and we'll advise of that with a separate announcement. The final pre-redaction dataset available under CC-BY-SA has now been generated at http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-120704.osm.bz2 . Where data has been redacted, any attempt to access it from the API or the site's 'browse' pages will return a response to that effect. Test runs have shown that the bot is functioning as we want it to, but we will of course be monitoring its progress. We are currently expecting it to take in the order of one month to complete; given the many variables I'm afraid we can't give a more precise steer yet, but we'll aim to keep everyone updated as it runs (via the announce@ and talk@ lists). There will be _no_ API outage and no other interruption to editing. When the bot is running in your area, please do save your edits frequently to minimise the likelihood of conflict. (Separate messages are going to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ as the first two areas to be affected. Please do forward and translate this for your local mailing lists.) As you know we were expecting this to start just after 1st April and the complexity of the task incurred the delay. Thank you all very much for your patience in waiting for it to get underway. Thank you especially to those who have contributed to the code, whether by patches, suggestions or just helping to firm up the workings. Richard for the OSMF board ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
We are expecting to begin on _Wednesday_ (9th July) 11th July. You knew what I meant really. :) Yours in a state of temporary temporal confusion Richard ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] Subject: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin Once it is complete, we will be ready to distribute data under the ODbL and we'll advise of that with a separate announcement. The final pre- redaction dataset available under CC-BY-SA has now been generated at http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-120704.osm.bz2 . Where data has been redacted, any attempt to access it from the API or the site's 'browse' pages will return a response to that effect. To transition from tiles derived from a CC BY-SA source to tiles derived from a ODbL source will require changing the attribution and regenerating all tiles so that CC BY-SA data is not mis-represented as being ODbL data. What time period will data be available under dual licenses so that tile servers will not have to reload their database then immediately delete every cached tile when changing their attribution? When I discussed this with Frederik awhile back I suggested publishing the first post-redaction planet as dual-licensed as well as one week of diffs to allow tile servers to continue to serve old CC BY-SA tiles and re-render over the course of a week. At the very least I would suggest distributing the first post-redaction planet as dual-licensed for the simple reason that all the information to create it will be available as CC BY-SA. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
