Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
Original-Nachricht Von: Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com 2009/1/20 Stefan Ziegler stefan.ziegler_...@gmx.de: My Project osm3d (on Sourceforge) (www.osm3d.org) is an interactive vector renderer. But it works outside of a browser. The problem, each renderer have (especially for the interactive ones): the huge mass of vector data, you have to sort (location) and draw. Inside a browser, you may use java3d. For example, for Germany, you have Gigabytes of (uncompressed) vector data. If you want to get the vector data interactively in small parts, OSM would need much more server power. There are many other renderers, most of them in 2d. Osmarenderer and Mapnik are typical vector renderer, but not interactive. Use regional extracts of the database, then. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm#Extracts I'm using regional extracts. But to switch from one country in Germany to another, I have to restart the program. (Or throw everything out of the memory and load the new file). -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) Stefan Ziegler. -- Diplom-Informatiker, Homepage: http://www.stefanziegler-online.de/ Wir alle wissen mehr als das, wovon wir wissen, dass wir es wissen. (Thornton Wilder) NUR NOCH BIS 31.01.! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 EURO/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a -- Diplom-Informatiker, Homepage: http://www.stefanziegler-online.de/ Wir alle wissen mehr als das, wovon wir wissen, dass wir es wissen. (Thornton Wilder) NUR NOCH BIS 31.01.! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 EURO/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:27 +, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Sam Watkins wrote: Geo::IP is a perl interface to the free available version of maxmind's geo-ip database. From the manpage: The only issue with that database is that I think we would have to find space somewhere on the page for the acknowledgement that the license requires, and space on our homepage is at something of a premium. It definitely doesn't require that: From the license: All advertising materials and documentation mentioning features or use of this database must display the following acknowledgment: This product includes GeoLite data created by MaxMind, available from http://maxmind.com/; The homepage is neither advertising material or documentation, and there's no requirement to mention the use of geo-ip system at all. If you do mention the use or features of geo-ip in documentation, we can include that acknowledgement. It's obviously not a core feature of osm so no need to mention it except possibly in the most detailed documentation. They're not trying to get on anyone's home page! regards, Sam ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:52:00 +0800 From: Sam Watkins swatk...@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip To: open street map dev@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 1232423520.23604.1295688...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 03:34:14PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: It uses the cookie first, then your home location (assuming you're logged in), then GeoIP via hostip.info, and finally defaults to Europe. Take a look at www.hostip.info if you want to see where it thinks you are. hi Tom, everyone (I accidentally posted this to Tom off list yesterday.) hostip.info says I am located in 500 Internal Server Error! I don't like this present technique because it's slow, and it's not working for me and several others on the list. Geo::IPFree exists and unlike hostip.info works correctly for me. I propose we change the system to use such a local free IP-country database. I can also provide a country border database we could center it on the center of the rectangular bounding box. Not sure I can have a go at making this change if that's agreeable. I was working a while ago on a project with the same idea as openstreetmap.org - but I didn't get very far with it. I did write code that can animate flying around or zooming in on the planet, it included country borders and cities only. I would like to change that program so it can use the openstreetmap data, that would be fun. My program also includes a method of dividing the earth's surface into a hierarchy of approximately equal-sized rectangular regions (so it wouldn't have lots of very skinny regions near the poles). I'm not sure what method openstreetmap uses for this. One other thing I would like to see is rotation of the map (my program can do that), this is fun and potentially useful, but it would need a vector based renderer. Is there a browser-compatible vector-based renderer, or is anyone working on that? I suppose that would give vastly better performance than the tiled image system. My Project osm3d (on Sourceforge) (www.osm3d.org) is an interactive vector renderer. But it works outside of a browser. The problem, each renderer have (especially for the interactive ones): the huge mass of vector data, you have to sort (location) and draw. Inside a browser, you may use java3d. For example, for Germany, you have Gigabytes of (uncompressed) vector data. If you want to get the vector data interactively in small parts, OSM would need much more server power. There are many other renderers, most of them in 2d. Osmarenderer and Mapnik are typical vector renderer, but not interactive. It would also obviously be really cool to make something like Neil Stephenson's the street a 3d environment with avatars, but based on the real world map! maybe could call it virtual tourist, could walk around in the world and meet people who are online and live in that place. Open street map together with geographical data and the public wiki model make that very possible to achieve. I don't know if this is a goal for openstreetmap already. You think of Second Life? :-) I think, you are not the only one, who had this idea. To realise it, you need many programmers and server power. It is really very complex. Second Life have many servers and a maximum number of people for a distinct location. I tried zooming the map way out it's funny how it says more open streep map coming soon in the area above the north and south poles!!! Sam Bye, Stefan. -- Diplom-Informatiker, Homepage: http://www.stefanziegler-online.de/ Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
Sam Watkins wrote: I had an idea just a small thing, that when you first go to the openstreetmap.org site it would be nice if it would check your IP address using some geo-ip system and go to that location (zoomed out at world height) for a start, instead of always starting near england / europe. Has this been proposed before? I'd be happy to help implement that I guess it would be an easy thing to do. Like it's been doing for the last few years you mean... Note that it only does it if you don't have a position cookie from a previous visit - if you do have a position cookie then it uses that. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
On 18 Jan 2009, at 08:53, Tom Hughes wrote: Sam Watkins wrote: I had an idea just a small thing, that when you first go to the openstreetmap.org site it would be nice if it would check your IP address using some geo-ip system and go to that location (zoomed out at world height) for a start, instead of always starting near england / europe. Has this been proposed before? I'd be happy to help implement that I guess it would be an easy thing to do. Like it's been doing for the last few years you mean... I'll just add that it does it on a country level, rather than city or state level. I have tested it when abroad in Europe, and it does place me in the appropriate country. Shaun ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:43:46 + Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: On 18 Jan 2009, at 08:53, Tom Hughes wrote: Sam Watkins wrote: I had an idea just a small thing, that when you first go to the openstreetmap.org site it would be nice if it would check your IP address using some geo-ip system and go to that location (zoomed out at world height) for a start, instead of always starting near england / europe. Has this been proposed before? I'd be happy to help implement that I guess it would be an easy thing to do. Like it's been doing for the last few years you mean... I'll just add that it does it on a country level, rather than city or state level. I have tested it when abroad in Europe, and it does place me in the appropriate country. FWIW it doesn't seem to ever work for me in at least a couple of environments I've tried. Either it drops me at my last viewport or I'm back in good ol' Blighty needing to claw my way back. I actually assumed that it was determined by my login status rather than cookie. In either case, whatever geolocation service is being used doesn't seem to cover a lot of providers here in Australia. I know they're not perfect. However, I've played with Maxmind in the past and it gets the country right. I think it's a pay service, though. Just hoping that helps. Its a good feature when it works. Cheers ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
http://www.maxmind.com/app/locate_my_ip got me pretty much exactly.. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: I'll just add that it does it on a country level, rather than city or state level. Indeed - the free GeoIP databases aren't really good enough to do much more than that. I'm not even sure the commercial ones are really, though they will probably claim otherwise. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
Hugh Barnes wrote: FWIW it doesn't seem to ever work for me in at least a couple of environments I've tried. Either it drops me at my last viewport or I'm back in good ol' Blighty needing to claw my way back. I actually assumed that it was determined by my login status rather than cookie. It uses the cookie first, then your home location (assuming you're logged in), then GeoIP via hostip.info, and finally defaults to Europe. In either case, whatever geolocation service is being used doesn't seem to cover a lot of providers here in Australia. I know they're not perfect. However, I've played with Maxmind in the past and it gets the country right. I think it's a pay service, though. Take a look at www.hostip.info if you want to see where it thinks you are. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 03:34:14PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: It uses the cookie first, then your home location (assuming you're logged in), then GeoIP via hostip.info, and finally defaults to Europe. Take a look at www.hostip.info if you want to see where it thinks you are. hostip.info locates me at Stuttgart, Germany, but OSM shows Europe centered on UK. Cookies, cache and proxy disabled for testing. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
hostip.info shows my IP in the US (VZ DSL), but OSM has always centered me on the UK. It would be a neat feature if this worked. -Jeremy Original Message --- --z4+8/lEcDcG5Ke9S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 03:34:14PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: It uses the cookie first, then your home location (assuming you're=20 logged in), then GeoIP via hostip.info, and finally defaults to=20 Europe. Take a look at www.hostip.info if you want to see where it thinks you=20 are. hostip.info locates me at Stuttgart, Germany, but OSM shows Europe=20 centered on UK. Cookies, cache and proxy disabled for testing. CU Sascha --=20 http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ --z4+8/lEcDcG5Ke9S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBSXNh1bpz82VMF3DaAQLA1Af/W621/P/b4FFX9cRQQAi9bIwjasrY5/7J tMIW1qEInLZ0E1F5Z7ewELcogkZLCKPYPbmRSt/oroMR35AhzATrouyi62POUh23 dl+JstVR8r91D8JLg01+FwKJVCnqyOwKjr4rw8hkQlXWSs4zfE/zA4Ull7cCBRHf kpxfey7Viv+CSzezs3fbZrxwdRE6QqF5uZJIjIWScJxrlLWUqdWXAgMObYVgf7Iu MImKqBSFP1qpCSm6NMeGNv6wjerdeogZZP4+1ASNDG6iBJ2tInH18/vVUgP1LA5F RVqjm8OvGOpq0CdxPGx9MHB4C/Q1vLZBvGLcq/JwItQhvU9b8aUI1A== =MEe7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --z4+8/lEcDcG5Ke9S-- ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
Sascha Silbe wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 03:34:14PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: It uses the cookie first, then your home location (assuming you're logged in), then GeoIP via hostip.info, and finally defaults to Europe. Take a look at www.hostip.info if you want to see where it thinks you are. hostip.info locates me at Stuttgart, Germany, but OSM shows Europe centered on UK. Cookies, cache and proxy disabled for testing. Looks like geonames is being very slow at the moment, so we are probably timing out and giving up. Basically the GeoLocation we do is a two step process. First we query hostip like this: http://api.hostip.info/country.php?ip=ip-addresss then we feed the country code we get from that to geonames: http://ws.geonames.org/countryInfo?country=country-code to get a bounding box for the country which we zoom the map to. If either query gives no result, or the whole thing takes more than four seconds, then we give up and use the default. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] openstreetmap could start at user's approximate location using geo-ip
hi, I had an idea just a small thing, that when you first go to the openstreetmap.org site it would be nice if it would check your IP address using some geo-ip system and go to that location (zoomed out at world height) for a start, instead of always starting near england / europe. Has this been proposed before? I'd be happy to help implement that I guess it would be an easy thing to do. Thanks to all who contribute to this amazing project! Sam ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
