Re: Time to retire from Apache
Hi Peter, Thank you for all your guidance and support of the Apache River project. I understand your position and respect it. As someone who is a fan and user of that project and the concept of free speech I also feel torn. I hope you will consider contributing and supporting the Apache River project again in the future. I know the project will welcome you back. Jeremy R. Easton-Marks On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 4:21 PM Peter Firmstone wrote: > Hello River folk, > > Recently the Apache board cancelled a PMC member / founder of another > Apache project, for posts on Twitter, no doubt this will become public > knowledge in the near future. I am personally in favor of free speech, > regardless of whether it's offensive or whether I agree or disagree, I > have voluntarily cancelled my membership, no doubt this will be of > little significance to an organization as large as Apache, but I > wouldn't feel comfortable turning a blind eye. Apache is free to make > decisions about who it wants participating and I am not about to argue > with that. The person in question appeared to be making a political > statement against cancel culture by publishing deliberately offensive > speech and has been cancelled by Apache as a result, I guess that > shouldn't be a surprise. We used to have some heated discussions on > River's mailing lists, at no time, would I have considered cancelling > someone with whom I disagreed, I would debate till the cows came home, > but never cancel another contributors voice. I appreciate the > contributions and participation of everyone who is part of the River > community, however I think the project is likely long overdue for a new > chair to lead, and it is time for people to discuss and nominate someone > they think is most suited to take care of the River community. > > Today I retire from my role as River PMC Chair and volunteer development > work for Apache. > > I wish you all well and hope to see you in future. > > -- > Regards, > > Peter Firmstone. > > -- Jeremy R. Easton-Marks "être fort pour être utile"
Re: Time to retire from Apache
> On Feb 23, 2021, at 15:51, Bryan Thompson wrote: > > > > At this point I know precisely nothing other than the fact that they have > decided that someone violated the code of conduct. >> >> What actually happened was a decision to remove an individual from a PMC. Much of the board’s normal activity is concerned with creating, monitoring, and terminating PMCs. The bylaws give the board the option of removing an individual from one.
Re: Time to retire from Apache
I personally would like to see a bit more evidence before I condemn the actions of the Apache board. Lacking any detailed knowledge, I feel it is premature for me to draw any specific conclusions. At this point I know precisely nothing other than the fact that they have decided that someone violated the code of conduct. Bryan On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 14:21 Peter Firmstone wrote: > Hello River folk, > > Recently the Apache board cancelled a PMC member / founder of another > Apache project, for posts on Twitter, no doubt this will become public > knowledge in the near future. I am personally in favor of free speech, > regardless of whether it's offensive or whether I agree or disagree, I > have voluntarily cancelled my membership, no doubt this will be of > little significance to an organization as large as Apache, but I > wouldn't feel comfortable turning a blind eye. Apache is free to make > decisions about who it wants participating and I am not about to argue > with that. The person in question appeared to be making a political > statement against cancel culture by publishing deliberately offensive > speech and has been cancelled by Apache as a result, I guess that > shouldn't be a surprise. We used to have some heated discussions on > River's mailing lists, at no time, would I have considered cancelling > someone with whom I disagreed, I would debate till the cows came home, > but never cancel another contributors voice. I appreciate the > contributions and participation of everyone who is part of the River > community, however I think the project is likely long overdue for a new > chair to lead, and it is time for people to discuss and nominate someone > they think is most suited to take care of the River community. > > Today I retire from my role as River PMC Chair and volunteer development > work for Apache. > > I wish you all well and hope to see you in future. > > -- > Regards, > > Peter Firmstone. > >
Time to retire from Apache
Hello River folk, Recently the Apache board cancelled a PMC member / founder of another Apache project, for posts on Twitter, no doubt this will become public knowledge in the near future. I am personally in favor of free speech, regardless of whether it's offensive or whether I agree or disagree, I have voluntarily cancelled my membership, no doubt this will be of little significance to an organization as large as Apache, but I wouldn't feel comfortable turning a blind eye. Apache is free to make decisions about who it wants participating and I am not about to argue with that. The person in question appeared to be making a political statement against cancel culture by publishing deliberately offensive speech and has been cancelled by Apache as a result, I guess that shouldn't be a surprise. We used to have some heated discussions on River's mailing lists, at no time, would I have considered cancelling someone with whom I disagreed, I would debate till the cows came home, but never cancel another contributors voice. I appreciate the contributions and participation of everyone who is part of the River community, however I think the project is likely long overdue for a new chair to lead, and it is time for people to discuss and nominate someone they think is most suited to take care of the River community. Today I retire from my role as River PMC Chair and volunteer development work for Apache. I wish you all well and hope to see you in future. -- Regards, Peter Firmstone.
