Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
I completely understand. I can't speak to the continued support of vendors who have adopted Shindig, but I would imagine that they can't just stop supporting the products consuming Shindig. I am sorry that this puts you in a tough position but this is a natural cycle of open source software. With no community willing to support and enhance the project there is not much we can do. If someone takes the code and the project regains life somewhere else, that is great. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM Ichiro Furusato wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and architects > and > advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the > project has > folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy portals > (that > have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) using > Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets. > With > the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig will > likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use. > > It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the > project. If the > project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars of > online > delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that > decision > I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at this > stage. > > Sadly. > > Cheers, > > Ichiro > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > > > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you > can't > > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you > than > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear > > of > > > the demise of what > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For > the > > > past nine months I have > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and > industry > > > delivery platforms of the > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a > Liferay/Shindig > > > based site. Over the > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently > awaiting > > > the next project > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and > > tell > > > them that the > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, > and > > we > > > will likewise now > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I > have > > > been quite happy > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked > forward > > > to a robust > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a > > > shiny new Gadget-based > > > solution. > > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry > > to > > > hear about it being > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at > > > Apache but we were actively > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online > > weather > > > delivery solution. > > > > > > Ichiro > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have > already > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board > > > report > > > > (below). > > > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and > > the > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > > > certainly > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to > > > keep > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. > Thanks. > > > > > > > > -Ryan > > > > > > > > [1] > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > > > From: Ryan Baxter > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the > > > > Attic; and > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > > > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project > > > > due to inactivity; > > > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > > > > project is hereby terminated; and b
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Very sad. Such a beautiful product is going away. Does this mean social gadget concept is going to die or already dead. So many organisation currently using it. I think Ryan it will be good idea to move it to github, apache trunk sucks (sorry), developer choice is github. may be shindig will get new life there. (the problem is many people dont know what is shindig, it is limited to implementer like google, atlasian etc. mostly these organisation take copy of shindig and enhance it to their needs and keep it with them.) I think it's all because google terminated igoogle, microsoft terminated my.msn, and all mobile apps everywhere. Not sure whats going to happen in this space. I am also worried about Apache RAVE. Now there is nothing social there, i need to visit individual sites. God knows when history will repeat itself. On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Ichiro Furusato wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and architects > and > advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the > project has > folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy portals > (that > have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) using > Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets. > With > the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig will > likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use. > > It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the > project. If the > project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars of > online > delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that > decision > I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at this > stage. > > Sadly. > > Cheers, > > Ichiro > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > > > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you > can't > > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you > than > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear > > of > > > the demise of what > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For > the > > > past nine months I have > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and > industry > > > delivery platforms of the > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a > Liferay/Shindig > > > based site. Over the > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently > awaiting > > > the next project > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and > > tell > > > them that the > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, > and > > we > > > will likewise now > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I > have > > > been quite happy > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked > forward > > > to a robust > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a > > > shiny new Gadget-based > > > solution. > > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry > > to > > > hear about it being > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at > > > Apache but we were actively > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online > > weather > > > delivery solution. > > > > > > Ichiro > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have > already > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board > > > report > > > > (below). > > > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and > > the > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > > > certainly > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to > > > keep > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. > Thanks. > > > > > > > > -Ryan > > > > > > > > [1] > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > > > From: Ryan Baxter > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > > > > project has
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Hi Ryan, While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and architects and advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the project has folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy portals (that have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) using Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets. With the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig will likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use. It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the project. If the project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars of online delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that decision I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at this stage. Sadly. Cheers, Ichiro On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you can't > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you than > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato > wrote: > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear > of > > the demise of what > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the > > past nine months I have > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry > > delivery platforms of the > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig > > based site. Over the > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting > > the next project > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and > tell > > them that the > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and > we > > will likewise now > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have > > been quite happy > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward > > to a robust > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a > > shiny new Gadget-based > > solution. > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry > to > > hear about it being > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at > > Apache but we were actively > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online > weather > > delivery solution. > > > > Ichiro > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter > wrote: > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board > > report > > > (below). > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and > the > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > > certainly > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to > > keep > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. > > > > > > -Ryan > > > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > > From: Ryan Baxter > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the > > > Attic; and > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project > > > due to inactivity; > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with > > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig > > > Project; and be it further > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is > > > hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. > > > > > >
