Re: [dev] Distribution
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Samuel Baldwin wrote: > Extremely valid point. Are there any distros, gentoo or not, that > don't use gcc in favour of something a little saner, though? Obviously > Plan 9 doesn't count. I think the FreeBSD guys are working on a version built with clang. I don't think the linux kernel can be compiled with anything but gcc. -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] Distribution
2010/1/18 Kurt H Maier : > people who don't use gcc have better sense than to use gentoo Extremely valid point. Are there any distros, gentoo or not, that don't use gcc in favour of something a little saner, though? Obviously Plan 9 doesn't count. -- Samuel Baldwin - logik.li
Re: [dev] Distribution
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Samuel Baldwin wrote: > Has anyone made gentoo work with anything besides gcc, like pcc or tcc? people who don't use gcc have better sense than to use gentoo -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] Distribution
2010/1/18 Jacob Todd : > "I heard they made a sport out of gcc, it's called gentoo or something" > -Uriel > > I use Gentoo and Plan 9. Has anyone made gentoo work with anything besides gcc, like pcc or tcc? -- Samuel Baldwin - logik.li
Re: [dev] Distribution
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:41:01PM +, Jonathan Slark wrote: > I was wondering what distros people use on this mailing list? I've > tried a lot and I'm not happy with any of them. All I need is a > toolchain/dev utils with minimal X install. I would then compile all > the apps/dwm myself and install using the package manager. > > Arch Linux comes pretty close but some things about it bug me. They use > some pre-release stuff such as the X-server by default. Most of the > PKGBUILDs use fakeroot for the whole build and the fakeroot docs say you > should only use it for the make install. > > Crux is even simpler than Arch but it's setup for compiling as root, ugh. > > I have done an LFS/DIY build but then I had a look at the Xorg website: > "The best place to get X is from your operating system or distribution > vendor." > > That bugged me a bit but I downloaded the tarball for the server > expecting to find some compilation instructions... it doesn't even have > a README! > > I guess Xorg don't expect mere mortals such as myself to attempt to > compile it. > > Any suggestions? > Jon. > "I heard they made a sport out of gcc, it's called gentoo or something" -Uriel I use Gentoo and Plan 9. -- Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. pgpetEu5WO2BK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] [SLOCK] is not safe
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:07:50PM +0100, daspostloch wrote: > On 01/18/2010 10:17 PM, Ryan R wrote: > > Put this in your xorg.conf this turns off ctrl-alt-backspace and VT > > switching. > > > > Section "ServerFlags" > >Option "DontZap" "true" > >Option "DontVTSwitch" "true" > > EndSection > > > > > > Can we put an end to this thread nao? kthx > > > > not everyone still has a xorg.conf > Then `touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf` and add those server flags. Adding those aren't going to break Xorg any more than it already it, and I find it easy to work with than hal's shitty xml config files. -- Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. pgp6AtPmvozC9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] Distribution
Jonathan Slark wrote: I was wondering what distros people use on this mailing list? I've tried a lot and I'm not happy with any of them. All I need is a toolchain/dev utils with minimal X install. I would then compile all the apps/dwm myself and install using the package manager. you must try slitaz.org, a minimalist mercurial based distro with liveCD leanings, djp
Re: [dev] Distribution
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jonathan Slark wrote: > I was wondering what distros people use on this mailing list? > > I'll go ahead and get the flame-war rolling... [q9550 ~]:$ uname -a ; cat /etc/debian_version ; uptime Linux q9550.0x95.net 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 02:23:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux 5.0.3 19:08:03 up 58 days, 3:08, 7 users, load average: 0.27, 0.26, 0.26 [q9550 ~]:$ In addition to RedHat for enterprise environments, I've used debian (stable/main) on and off personally for close to a decade. Have to give credit to Jason at senet.us; he's responsible for introducing me to dwm, which ultimately lead to my freedom (from Windows). Gnome and KDE at the time just seemed like a step in the wrong direction (even from Windows), so I'm about as happy as a pig in sh-t. If you consider yourself unhappy now, try firing up Windows and see how "happy" that makes you. The thought of using Windows again just reinforces my appreciation for the debian/dwm setup I'm using. Usually puts a big grin on my face. Best of luck. Regards, Guy
Re: [dev] Distribution
Jonathan Slark dixit (2010-01-18, 22:41): > I was wondering what distros people use on this mailing list? I've > tried a lot and I'm not happy with any of them. All I need is a > toolchain/dev utils with minimal X install. I would then compile all > the apps/dwm myself and install using the package manager. Sounds like Gentoo, to me. Hope this thread doesn't turn into yet another flamewar and bitching how-broken-is-some-distro-i-am-not-actually-using. I propose that people (criticise|advertise) only distros they're actually using for getting day-to-day stuff done. -- [a]
Re: [dev] Distribution
Might wanna check out stali. I personally use Arch Linux, OpenBSD, and Plan 9, however. -- Samuel Baldwin - logik.li
Re: [dev] Distribution
> All I need is a toolchain/dev utils with minimal X install. Have you tried NetBSD? I prefer that over Linux, and the base installation is exactly what you're describing.
Re: [dev] Distribution
On 18-01-2010 22:41:01, Jonathan Slark wrote: > I was wondering what distros people use on this mailing list? I've > tried a lot and I'm not happy with any of them. All I need is a > toolchain/dev utils with minimal X install. I would then compile > all the apps/dwm myself and install using the package manager. > > Crux is even simpler than Arch but it's setup for compiling as root, ugh. You can easily setup fakerooting when building ports, just lookup the wiki. Regards, Ted
Re: [dev] Distribution
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Jonathan Slark wrote: > PKGBUILDs use fakeroot for the whole build and the fakeroot docs say you > should only use it for the make install. > > I have done an LFS/DIY build but then I had a look at the Xorg website: > "The best place to get X is from your operating system or distribution > vendor." I think you're reading too much into recommendations. From reading this, all I get is that general upstream recommendations are keeping you from doing what you want. If everybody used this reasoning, then no distro would've continued after reading the specs for LSB or POSIX.
[dev] Distribution
I was wondering what distros people use on this mailing list? I've tried a lot and I'm not happy with any of them. All I need is a toolchain/dev utils with minimal X install. I would then compile all the apps/dwm myself and install using the package manager. Arch Linux comes pretty close but some things about it bug me. They use some pre-release stuff such as the X-server by default. Most of the PKGBUILDs use fakeroot for the whole build and the fakeroot docs say you should only use it for the make install. Crux is even simpler than Arch but it's setup for compiling as root, ugh. I have done an LFS/DIY build but then I had a look at the Xorg website: "The best place to get X is from your operating system or distribution vendor." That bugged me a bit but I downloaded the tarball for the server expecting to find some compilation instructions... it doesn't even have a README! I guess Xorg don't expect mere mortals such as myself to attempt to compile it. Any suggestions? Jon.
Re: [dev] [SLOCK] is not safe
On 01/18/2010 10:17 PM, Ryan R wrote: Put this in your xorg.conf this turns off ctrl-alt-backspace and VT switching. Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontZap" "true" Option "DontVTSwitch" "true" EndSection Can we put an end to this thread nao? kthx not everyone still has a xorg.conf
Re: [dev] [SLOCK] is not safe
Put this in your xorg.conf this turns off ctrl-alt-backspace and VT switching. Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontZap" "true" Option "DontVTSwitch" "true" EndSection Can we put an end to this thread nao? kthx
Re: [dev] [SLOCK] is not safe
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:23 PM, anonymous wrote: >> This thread is hilarious, I find it pretty funny that on a mailing list of >> the >> suckless project people are suggesting all kinds of weird things to solve >> this >> instead just using exec /usr/bin/dwm in ~/.xinitrc rather than /usr/bin/dwm. > > Just checked: I was always using exec in xinitrc. And I can still > killall slock. I'm also using exec dwm in xinitrc, as are most people that use startx or xinit. That doesn't solve anything.
Re: [dev] [SLOCK] is not safe
> This thread is hilarious, I find it pretty funny that on a mailing list of > the > suckless project people are suggesting all kinds of weird things to solve > this > instead just using exec /usr/bin/dwm in ~/.xinitrc rather than /usr/bin/dwm. > Seriously, WTF?! > Just checked: I was always using exec in xinitrc. And I can still killall slock. startx should be runned as exec startx so shell will be replaced.
Re: [dev] [SLOCK] is not safe
This is actually not funny my lads...
Re: [dev] [SLOCK] is not safe
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 07:51:09PM +0100, Nico Golde wrote: > Hi, > * Julien Pecqueur [2010-01-17 16:22]: > > I'm using slock and i am suprised to realize that is not safe at all! > > > > I launched slock in my DWM session. I just have to press CTRL+ALT+F1 > > and press CTRL+z (to send startx in background an get the hand on the > > shell) and type "killall slock" to unlock the session... > > .oO(use exec in startx to start dwm?!) > > Cheers > Nico > > -- > Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - n...@jabber.ccc.de - GPG: 0xA0A0 > For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. it's still unsafe! h don't spoil everything :D
Re: [dev] [SLOCK] is not safe
Hi, * Premysl Hruby [2010-01-17 16:53]: > On (17/01/10 16:24), Gregor Best wrote: > > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:24:11 +0100 > > From: Gregor Best > > To: dev@suckless.org > > Subject: Re: [dev] [SLOCK] is not safe > > List-Id: dev mail list > > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) > > > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 04:17:16PM +0100, Julien Pecqueur wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm using slock and i am suprised to realize that is not safe at all! > > > > > > I launched slock in my DWM session. I just have to press CTRL+ALT+F1 > > > and press CTRL+z (to send startx in background an get the hand on the > > > shell) and type "killall slock" to unlock the session... > > > > Same thing with every other screen locker. The only "solution" is to > > remove the ChangeVT* mappings from the xmodmap. > > > > Not really, simply using 'startx & exit' instead of plain 'startx' is > sufficient. This thread is hilarious, I find it pretty funny that on a mailing list of the suckless project people are suggesting all kinds of weird things to solve this instead just using exec /usr/bin/dwm in ~/.xinitrc rather than /usr/bin/dwm. Seriously, WTF?! Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - n...@jabber.ccc.de - GPG: 0xA0A0 For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpOAfaUWy3EK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] [SLOCK] is not safe
Hi, * Julien Pecqueur [2010-01-17 16:22]: > I'm using slock and i am suprised to realize that is not safe at all! > > I launched slock in my DWM session. I just have to press CTRL+ALT+F1 > and press CTRL+z (to send startx in background an get the hand on the > shell) and type "killall slock" to unlock the session... .oO(use exec in startx to start dwm?!) Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - n...@jabber.ccc.de - GPG: 0xA0A0 For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpgitSNb9nmB.pgp Description: PGP signature
[dev][dwm][bug] Two bugs concerning floating windows in a dual monitor setup
my setup: external monitor (A) connected to a docking station. lets call the internal display B. A is left of B. first bug: if i move a floating window with alt-shift-, from A to B it is positioned on the left edge of B. if i try to move it back to A the window is assigned to A, but its position doesn't change. second bug: laptop is undocked. open three terminal windows on some workspace. make two of them floating. focus the window that is still tiled. if i dock my laptop now - in that case i run "xrandr --output B --auto" und "xrandr --output A --auto --left-of B" via shell script - both floating windows are hidden underneath the tiled terminal window. can someone confirm these bugs? claudio _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_2:092009
Re: [dev] [bug] [dwm] Resolution chages
2010/1/18 Swiat R. Gal : >> this seems to be an issue in certain Xinerama implementations, I >> identified the following a while ago: >> >> xrandr -s reproduces the issue you notice, whereas >> >> xrandr --output XY --mode wxh >> >> etc does work. Can you confirm? > > I confirm both. At the same time I do not know > how can one restore full-length status bar after changing > rotation of the screen (except for an auxiliary change > of resolution in between, of course). With --output you should be able to restore the status bar correctly. Cheers, Anselm
Re: [dev] [bug] [dwm] Resolution chages
> this seems to be an issue in certain Xinerama implementations, I > identified the following a while ago: > > xrandr -s reproduces the issue you notice, whereas > > xrandr --output XY --mode wxh > > etc does work. Can you confirm? I confirm both. At the same time I do not know how can one restore full-length status bar after changing rotation of the screen (except for an auxiliary change of resolution in between, of course). Sincerely, s.
Re: [dev] [bug] [dwm] Resolution chages
I use the following script: #! /bin/sh output=LVDS if [ -f /tmp/screen ] then output=`cat /tmp/screen` fi if [ $output = "VGA" ] then xrandr --output LVDS --auto xrandr --output VGA --off echo "LVDS" > /tmp/screen else xrandr --output VGA --auto xrandr --output LVDS --off echo "VGA" > /tmp/screen fi On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Alexander Surma wrote: > Yes, can confirm both. I'll do some research on the details. > > Surma > > PS: I do too, and I still regret very much my lack of presence later > that night - so to speak ;) > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I can at least confirm that xrandr -s does not work with dwm 5.2 >> didn't try --output >> >> Moritz >> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 05:04:48PM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> this seems to be an issue in certain Xinerama implementations, I >>> identified the following a while ago: >>> >>> xrandr -s reproduces the issue you notice, whereas >>> >>> xrandr --output XY --mode wxh >>> >>> etc does work. Can you confirm? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Anselm >>> >>> PS: Still remember our Skat session ;) >>> >>> 2010/1/10 Alexander Surma : >>> > Hi, >>> > Just wanted to file a bug report, that dwm doesn't handle a change of >>> > the screen resolution very well. >>> > When I change to a low resolution (640x480), everything seems fine, >>> > but if I change back (1280x1024) I have parts of my background in the >>> > statusbar. >>> > >>> > Not urgent, but wanted to let you know. >>> > >>> > Surma >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > >
Re: [dev] Fwd: [9fans] more videos
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[dev] Fwd: [9fans] more videos
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[dev] Static compilation
Just thinking about the possibility to use the Diablo toolchain to compile and optimize the binaries for stali instead of clang or a plane gcc. We could get really good optimizations. Any volunteer for testing?
