Re: Move to Maven? (WAS: Re: Publishing process for JARs for Maven Central)

2011-12-27 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
 should stress that a working Mavenised build of a version of Tomcat is
necessary but not sufficient to get my support for a switch from Ant to
Maven for the build / release process.

Mark

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Re: Move to Maven? (WAS: Re: Publishing process for JARs for Maven Central)

2011-12-21 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré

Hi all,

I just discussed with Olivier about that.

I will help OSGiing Tomcat. I would like to enhance Pax Web to be able 
to support both Jetty (as currently) and Tomcat using OSGi service selector.


I plan to push the OSGi changes tomorrow on the Olivier's github.

Regards
JB

On 12/21/2011 09:34 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote:

Hello,
I have started some stuff here: https://github.com/olamy/tomcat70.

* sources have been to appropriate modules.
* I'm now working on some test which fail (some tests need webapp examples)
* distro not yet done.
* repackaging of dbcp pool, commons-logging is done using shading technology
* I will work with jbonofre (who is karaf committer) to add necessary
stuff to osgiing.

NOTE: It's really work in progress not finish (so pull requests will
be accepted :-) )

2011/12/20 Mark Thomasma...@apache.org:

On 20/12/2011 08:17, Antonio Petrelli wrote:

2011/12/19 Mladen Turkmt...@apache.org


On 12/19/2011 07:04 PM, Henri Gomez wrote:


Exactly. Since any change would require a learning curve

and it seems we don't have that many (read none) maven
experts in the house, Gradle could be equally considered,
given that it seems more advanced in customization.



I know well Maven but Olivier (Lamy) is a Maven expert, so there is
friend in the business.
And there is a full Maven PMC not too far ready to provide advices and
help.
Not counting Tomcat consumers ASF projects like OpenEJB.



All I have seen so far is talk and talk and more talk.
There is trunk, branches, sandbox, so anyone is free to
make a proposal and if things work, I'll be the first
one supporting it.



I already forked my own repository from GitHub. I hope to start it after
the holidays.


I would be very interested in seeing what a Mavenised build of trunk
looks like.

While I may come across as anti-Maven, that is not my position. I am
anti *any* disruptive change that causes more disruption then benefit it
brings and right now I see more disruption than I do benefit.

I am also wary (from my experience of infrastructure at the ASF) of
folks pushing strongly for a switch to something better, promising to
help with the switch and promising to support things moving forwards and
then melting away just as their support is really needed.

A demonstration of a fully Mavenised build of Tomcat trunk (or 7.0.x,
6.0.x or 5.5.x) at GitHub would help considerably:
- we would be able to see how all the potential wrinkles (down-loading
JDT, building a packages renamed DBCP, building a package renamed
Commons logging, etc) were handled in Maven
- we'd be able to judge how much simpler the build process was
- Maven newbies like me could try building it, debugging with it and
developing with it to see how easy we found it
- the work required to create it would demonstrate a commitment to
supporting this change

I should stress that a working Mavenised build of a version of Tomcat is
necessary but not sufficient to get my support for a switch from Ant to
Maven for the build / release process.

Mark

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