Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: Hi Mojca, On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:24:02 -0600, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dvipdfmx What is with dvipdfmx? Wasn't that one for aleph (which is not in the minimals any more)? dvipdfmx is still important in the cjk community, and in any case it's needed for luatex dvi-mode (still lots of testing needed, as the \pardir thread on the luatex list shows) I suppose the same applies to xdvipdfmx... AFAIK, xdvipdfmx is a superset of dvipdfmx. Is that not true? Best, Taco ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
Mojca Miklavec wrote: also pdfinfo, pdftops, pdfimages ... everything from xpdf Hmmm ... apparently that one is only needed for windows, or to be put in other words: there is no binary in texlive for other platforms. Apparently I got it with fink. It might be nice to have it for other platforms, but I don't know where to get it. Perhaps it's considered so standard that texlive didn't include it? maybe we need a source repos too, from which we can compile ... if needed (or put copies of the tarballs there); these progs are quite handy Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
Martin Schröder wrote: 2007/9/19, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 9/19/07, Hans Hagen wrote: also pdfinfo, pdftops, pdfimages ... everything from xpdf Hmmm ... apparently that one is only needed for windows, or to be put in other words: there is no binary in texlive for other platforms. Apparently I got it with fink. It might be nice to have it for other platforms, but I don't know where to get it. Perhaps it's considered so standard that texlive didn't include it? It's normally included with xpdf, which we also don't supply. for windows it's a separate package (no xpdf), how hard would it be to make a tools-only variant? maybe even in the pdftex repos? Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
Hans Hagen wrote: dvips Dvips needs a bunch of postscript header (.pro) files, that are not in the distro right now, I think. When I tried to run it just now, it was complaining about missing stuff. so we can go pdf and use pdftops if someone wants proper postscript That would be fine for me personally, but I assume there are people out there that depend on ps features like eps inclusion and pstricks. Then again, those people can't be using the minimals right now, as the supplied dvips does not work. Best wishes, Taco ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
Hans Hagen wrote: well, i'm sure that martin can integrate it into the build; would save a lot of hassle with binary updates (no problem for tex live since the polish dropped their translated pool files long ago) Last time, there were quite a few political/sentimental objections, and I do want to restart the arguments about that. This type of discussion takes way too much of my time already. Maybe you or Martin is interested in championing the extension? Best wishes, Taco ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
Martin Schröder wrote: 2007/9/19, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mojca Miklavec wrote: mktexmf ^ probably not, not sure what it does man mktexmf mktexmf is used to generate the Metafont source file for font, if possible. For example, ecrm1200 or cmr11. aha, so it can go away in the minimals since we don't have mf sources Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
Taco Hoekwater wrote: Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: Hi Mojca, On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:24:02 -0600, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dvipdfmx What is with dvipdfmx? Wasn't that one for aleph (which is not in the minimals any more)? dvipdfmx is still important in the cjk community, and in any case it's needed for luatex dvi-mode (still lots of testing needed, as the \pardir thread on the luatex list shows) I suppose the same applies to xdvipdfmx... AFAIK, xdvipdfmx is a superset of dvipdfmx. Is that not true? yes, with additional dvi instructions (and some [piping stuff]) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
2007/9/19, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mojca Miklavec wrote: mktexmf ^ probably not, not sure what it does man mktexmf mktexmf is used to generate the Metafont source file for font, if possible. For example, ecrm1200 or cmr11. Best Martin ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
2007/9/19, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 9/19/07, Hans Hagen wrote: also pdfinfo, pdftops, pdfimages ... everything from xpdf Hmmm ... apparently that one is only needed for windows, or to be put in other words: there is no binary in texlive for other platforms. Apparently I got it with fink. It might be nice to have it for other platforms, but I don't know where to get it. Perhaps it's considered so standard that texlive didn't include it? It's normally included with xpdf, which we also don't supply. Best Martin ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
I have a somewhat longer list of exes that I believe can be weeded out: dvipdfmx Is that still needed ? I always run xdvipdfmx instead mktexmf We don't ship mf sources to take advantage of it mmafm mmpfb pfb2pfa All three can go I think ttf2tfm Last time I checked this was terribly outdated. It didn't like any of the ttfs I tried to feed it. ttf2afm does much better. dvips Dvips needs a bunch of postscript header (.pro) files, that are not in the distro right now, I think. When I tried to run it just now, it was complaining about missing stuff. dvitodvi I believe this does something for booklet generation. kpseaccess kpsestat those are helpers used by mktexlsr. gforce, taco can tell, we may put them on the luatex site as well http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/metapost has mpost binaries for linux-i386 and windows, the rest of the platform binaries would have to come from texlive at the moment. luatex texlua (same as luatex, I guess, or simply a symbolic link?) texluac (same as luatex, I guess) the latter two are symlinks, ideally. xdvipdfmx xetex + pdftex.pool and xetex.pool for the moment yes, taco ... shouldn't we move pools files into the bins? I thought Jonathan had that planned for 0.997. For pdftex: we had a discussion about the pool file once already, and I am not in the mood to repeat it. Best wishes, Taco ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
Mojca Miklavec wrote: Hello, I took the list of binaries from texmf-macosx/bin. I'm trying to set some semi-automatic process to fetch them (well, to add them to a repository on the garden, http://minimals.contextgarden.net/). I've split the binaries into different groups. Can anyone please comment on it? a.) do we still need any of these? afm2pl afm2tfm dvipdfmx mktexmf ^ probably not, not sure what it does mmafm mmpfb ^ multiple master fonts are obsolete pfb2pfa ^ can go away pltotf tftopl knuthian progies so let's keep them (debugging) ttf2afm maybe keep it for a while (debugging ttf2tfm does not really work i think vftovp vptovf knuthian progs so: mktexmf, ttf2tfm and pfb2pfa can go away b.) stubs (Hans: should I simply copy everything from stubs there?) concheck ctxtools exaclient exampleg examplex exaresolve exaserver exatools exastuff can go away (one can alway suse texmfstart scriptname) imgtopdf i need the minimals myself, so keep that one for a while makempy mptopdf pdftools pstopdf rlxtools rscortool rsfiltool rslibtool texexec texfont texshow textools texutil tmftools xmltools okay c.) simply copy from cont-tmf texmfstart luatools mtxrun indeed, beware, we need these copied in the bin path ! d.) to be taken from texlive bibtex dvipos dvips sure dvitodvi used? kpseaccess used? kpsestat used? kpsewhich mktexlsr pdftosrc also pdfinfo, pdftops, pdfimages ... everything from xpdf e.) latest binaries to be taken from elsewhere, whenever possible (help might be needed) dvitomp makempx mpost mpto gforce, taco can tell, we may put them on the luatex site as well pdftex luatex texlua (same as luatex, I guess, or simply a symbolic link?) texluac (same as luatex, I guess) indeed, copies but needed xdvipdfmx xetex + pdftex.pool and xetex.pool for the moment yes, taco ... shouldn't we move pools files into the bins? f.) what to do with this one? xpdfsuite.zip we need a texmf/license path Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
Re: [dev-context] binaries in context minimals
On 9/19/07, Hans Hagen wrote: Mojca Miklavec wrote: a.) do we still need any of these? afm2pl afm2tfm Are these two needed? (Probably for debugging, as below.) dvipdfmx What is with dvipdfmx? Wasn't that one for aleph (which is not in the minimals any more)? mktexmf ^ probably not, not sure what it does mmafm mmpfb ^ multiple master fonts are obsolete OK pfb2pfa ^ can go away OK pltotf tftopl knuthian progies so let's keep them (debugging) ttf2afm maybe keep it for a while (debugging ttf2tfm does not really work i think vftovp vptovf knuthian progs so: mktexmf, ttf2tfm and pfb2pfa can go away b.) stubs (Hans: should I simply copy everything from stubs there?) concheck ctxtools exaclient exampleg examplex exaresolve exaserver exatools exastuff can go away (one can alway suse texmfstart scriptname) OK. imgtopdf i need the minimals myself, so keep that one for a while I didn't intend to remove any of those files. makempy mptopdf pdftools pstopdf rlxtools rscortool rsfiltool rslibtool texexec texfont texshow textools texutil tmftools xmltools okay c.) simply copy from cont-tmf texmfstart luatools mtxrun indeed, beware, we need these copied in the bin path ! d.) to be taken from texlive dvitodvi used? texexec probably replaced it's functionality. Perhaps it might go away. kpseaccess used? kpsestat used? If texexec doesn't use it, people don't use it either, I assume. kpsewhich mktexlsr pdftosrc also pdfinfo, pdftops, pdfimages ... everything from xpdf Hmmm ... apparently that one is only needed for windows, or to be put in other words: there is no binary in texlive for other platforms. Apparently I got it with fink. It might be nice to have it for other platforms, but I don't know where to get it. Perhaps it's considered so standard that texlive didn't include it? Mojca ___ dev-context mailing list dev-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/dev-context
