Re: Compiler version expectations
On 2014-12-13 1:12 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: I said in irc yesterday that SeaMonkey is NOT ready yet, however I see no reason to change the plan of record. I expect us to have a good solution in less than a month. (As in yes go ahead and land that patch) Thanks! For those who are interested, please follow along in bug 1084532. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
So I just spoke with Callek about his plans to move SeaMonkey off of their existing Windows 2003 builders that cannot install Visual Studio 2012 or newer, and it seems like Dec 15th is a date that will probably work fine for SM, and that is still within the Gecko 37 cycle. Jeff, can we hold off the Skia update plans until that date? Thanks! On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com wrote: Can you please ask them to not use variadic templates too? That also seems to require MSVC 2013. On 2014-10-16, 4:33 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: Type aliasing requires 2013, but we can probably keep them from using that for now. I don’t think asking them to support VS2012 will be too much of a burden. -Jeff On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:29 PM, David Major dma...@mozilla.com wrote: I was thinking it would be nice to support VS2010 as long as any of our main channels use it -- meaning we could drop it on the first day of 39. But I have no practical justification for that. If it causes a burden on Skia work then it might be reasonable to switch sooner. This set: http://chromium-cpp.appspot.com/ What MS compiler does that list require? There's a number of people building with VS2012, would that still be supported? David - Original Message - From: Jeff Muizelaar jmuizel...@mozilla.com To: Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com Cc: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org list dev-platform@lists.mozilla. org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:14:19 AM Subject: Re: Compiler version expectations On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-10-16, 3:49 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: After some discussion some IRC it was clear that our compiler deprecation schedule is not very clear. Now that we’re using VS2013 on trunk and will soon not being using GCC 4.4 for B2G, I expect we’ll be dropping support for building with VS2010 and GCC 4.4 in the near term. GCC is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1077549. No specific bug or plans for MSVC2010, but I'd be open to killing support for it on the next release train. This is important to us because Skia is planing on using more C++11 features in the near term and we’d like to continue updating from upstream. Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? What C++11 features specifically? This set: http://chromium-cpp.appspot.com/ -Jeff ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform -- Ehsan ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
Syd Polk wrote: Does MSVC 2013 run on Windows XP? We still support Win XP for the browser; do we support building on it? You can't create a stock build on XP since the latest SDK is 7.1 and the gamepad code needs 8.0 and the DirectX code would like it too. -- Warning: May contain traces of nuts. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Compiler version expectations
After some discussion some IRC it was clear that our compiler deprecation schedule is not very clear. Now that we’re using VS2013 on trunk and will soon not being using GCC 4.4 for B2G, I expect we’ll be dropping support for building with VS2010 and GCC 4.4 in the near term. This is important to us because Skia is planing on using more C++11 features in the near term and we’d like to continue updating from upstream. Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? -Jeff ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
On 2014-10-16, 3:49 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: After some discussion some IRC it was clear that our compiler deprecation schedule is not very clear. Now that we’re using VS2013 on trunk and will soon not being using GCC 4.4 for B2G, I expect we’ll be dropping support for building with VS2010 and GCC 4.4 in the near term. GCC is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1077549. No specific bug or plans for MSVC2010, but I'd be open to killing support for it on the next release train. This is important to us because Skia is planing on using more C++11 features in the near term and we’d like to continue updating from upstream. Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? What C++11 features specifically? ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-10-16, 3:49 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: After some discussion some IRC it was clear that our compiler deprecation schedule is not very clear. Now that we’re using VS2013 on trunk and will soon not being using GCC 4.4 for B2G, I expect we’ll be dropping support for building with VS2010 and GCC 4.4 in the near term. GCC is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1077549. No specific bug or plans for MSVC2010, but I'd be open to killing support for it on the next release train. This is important to us because Skia is planing on using more C++11 features in the near term and we’d like to continue updating from upstream. Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? What C++11 features specifically? This set: http://chromium-cpp.appspot.com/ -Jeff ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
I was thinking it would be nice to support VS2010 as long as any of our main channels use it -- meaning we could drop it on the first day of 39. But I have no practical justification for that. If it causes a burden on Skia work then it might be reasonable to switch sooner. This set: http://chromium-cpp.appspot.com/ What MS compiler does that list require? There's a number of people building with VS2012, would that still be supported? David - Original Message - From: Jeff Muizelaar jmuizel...@mozilla.com To: Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com Cc: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:14:19 AM Subject: Re: Compiler version expectations On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-10-16, 3:49 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: After some discussion some IRC it was clear that our compiler deprecation schedule is not very clear. Now that we’re using VS2013 on trunk and will soon not being using GCC 4.4 for B2G, I expect we’ll be dropping support for building with VS2010 and GCC 4.4 in the near term. GCC is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1077549. No specific bug or plans for MSVC2010, but I'd be open to killing support for it on the next release train. This is important to us because Skia is planing on using more C++11 features in the near term and we’d like to continue updating from upstream. Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? What C++11 features specifically? This set: http://chromium-cpp.appspot.com/ -Jeff ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
On 10/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: After some discussion some IRC it was clear that our compiler deprecation schedule is not very clear. Now that we’re using VS2013 on trunk and will soon not being using GCC 4.4 for B2G, I expect we’ll be dropping support for building with VS2010 and GCC 4.4 in the near term. This is important to us because Skia is planing on using more C++11 features in the near term and we’d like to continue updating from upstream. Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? I can't speak to the GCC issue, but we intend to continue support for MSVC2010 at least through the 36 train, in case a regression is found which is serious enough to cause us to revert. If there are no serious issues found, I think it is reasonable to require MSVC2013 in six weeks. If we do that, I'd want somebody to actually make 2010 fail early in configure. --BDS ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
On Oct 16, 2014, at 14:49, Jeff Muizelaar jmuizel...@mozilla.com wrote: After some discussion some IRC it was clear that our compiler deprecation schedule is not very clear. Now that we’re using VS2013 on trunk and will soon not being using GCC 4.4 for B2G, I expect we’ll be dropping support for building with VS2010 and GCC 4.4 in the near term. This is important to us because Skia is planing on using more C++11 features in the near term and we’d like to continue updating from upstream. Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? -Jeff Does MSVC 2013 run on Windows XP? We still support Win XP for the browser; do we support building on it? Syd Polk sp...@mozilla.com +1-512-905-9904 irc: sydpolk ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Syd Polk sp...@mozilla.com wrote: On Oct 16, 2014, at 14:49, Jeff Muizelaar jmuizel...@mozilla.com wrote: After some discussion some IRC it was clear that our compiler deprecation schedule is not very clear. Now that we’re using VS2013 on trunk and will soon not being using GCC 4.4 for B2G, I expect we’ll be dropping support for building with VS2010 and GCC 4.4 in the near term. This is important to us because Skia is planing on using more C++11 features in the near term and we’d like to continue updating from upstream. Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? -Jeff Does MSVC 2013 run on Windows XP? We still support Win XP for the browser; do we support building on it? Syd Polk sp...@mozilla.com +1-512-905-9904 irc: sydpolk ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform There's no reason to continue supporting compiling on XP. - Kyle ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
On 10/16/14 12:49 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? Firefox 38 will become the next ESR. I don't know if that means we should drop old compilers *before* the ESR or after, but it should probably inform the decision. chris ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
On 2014-10-16, 5:01 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: On 10/16/14 12:49 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? Firefox 38 will become the next ESR. I don't know if that means we should drop old compilers *before* the ESR or after, but it should probably inform the decision. Why? ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
On 2014-10-16, 5:02 PM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: On 10/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: After some discussion some IRC it was clear that our compiler deprecation schedule is not very clear. Now that we’re using VS2013 on trunk and will soon not being using GCC 4.4 for B2G, I expect we’ll be dropping support for building with VS2010 and GCC 4.4 in the near term. This is important to us because Skia is planing on using more C++11 features in the near term and we’d like to continue updating from upstream. Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? I can't speak to the GCC issue, but we intend to continue support for MSVC2010 at least through the 36 train, in case a regression is found which is serious enough to cause us to revert. If there are no serious issues found, I think it is reasonable to require MSVC2013 in six weeks. If we do that, I'd want somebody to actually make 2010 fail early in configure. I'd happily do that: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1084056 ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
Can you please ask them to not use variadic templates too? That also seems to require MSVC 2013. On 2014-10-16, 4:33 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: Type aliasing requires 2013, but we can probably keep them from using that for now. I don’t think asking them to support VS2012 will be too much of a burden. -Jeff On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:29 PM, David Major dma...@mozilla.com wrote: I was thinking it would be nice to support VS2010 as long as any of our main channels use it -- meaning we could drop it on the first day of 39. But I have no practical justification for that. If it causes a burden on Skia work then it might be reasonable to switch sooner. This set: http://chromium-cpp.appspot.com/ What MS compiler does that list require? There's a number of people building with VS2012, would that still be supported? David - Original Message - From: Jeff Muizelaar jmuizel...@mozilla.com To: Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com Cc: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:14:19 AM Subject: Re: Compiler version expectations On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-10-16, 3:49 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: After some discussion some IRC it was clear that our compiler deprecation schedule is not very clear. Now that we’re using VS2013 on trunk and will soon not being using GCC 4.4 for B2G, I expect we’ll be dropping support for building with VS2010 and GCC 4.4 in the near term. GCC is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1077549. No specific bug or plans for MSVC2010, but I'd be open to killing support for it on the next release train. This is important to us because Skia is planing on using more C++11 features in the near term and we’d like to continue updating from upstream. Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? What C++11 features specifically? This set: http://chromium-cpp.appspot.com/ -Jeff ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Compiler version expectations
On 10/16/14 2:27 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-10-16, 5:01 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: On 10/16/14 12:49 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote: Are there reasons we can’t drop support for these compilers in the 37-38 time frame? Firefox 38 will become the next ESR. I don't know if that means we should drop old compilers *before* the ESR or after, but it should probably inform the decision. Why? Would dropping older compiler support include ESR alongside mozilla-central? I assumed dropping an older compiler after ESR forks meant Rel Eng would need to maintain an extra toolchain for another year. And, though unlikely, fixes uplifted to ESR couldn't use any newer C++ features not supported by the old compilers. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
