Firefox/Thunderbird and GRE/XRE/XULRunner

2014-07-08 Thread Tobias Besemer
As far as I can remember, at the beginning when GRE was build, there was the 
try that Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla-Suite will use this ...

After Thunderbird is now back, a Mozilla Update Service exist and the Crash 
Reporter needs to be re-done, but keeps a standalone App for startup problems 
of Firefox/Thunderbird ...
Is there a chance, that Firefox  Thunderbird will share files (runtime 
environment / framework) together again on Windows ???


Greets, Tobias.
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Re: Firefox/Thunderbird and GRE/XRE/XULRunner

2014-07-08 Thread Benjamin Smedberg


On 7/8/2014 2:51 PM, Tobias Besemer wrote:

As far as I can remember, at the beginning when GRE was build, there was the 
try that Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla-Suite will use this ...

After Thunderbird is now back, a Mozilla Update Service exist and the Crash 
Reporter needs to be re-done, but keeps a standalone App for startup problems of 
Firefox/Thunderbird ...
Is there a chance, that Firefox  Thunderbird will share files (runtime 
environment / framework) together again on Windows ???


No.

--BDS

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Re: Firefox/Thunderbird and GRE/XRE/XULRunner

2014-07-08 Thread Joshua Cranmer 

On 7/8/2014 1:51 PM, Tobias Besemer wrote:

As far as I can remember, at the beginning when GRE was build, there was the 
try that Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla-Suite will use this ...

After Thunderbird is now back, a Mozilla Update Service exist and the Crash 
Reporter needs to be re-done, but keeps a standalone App for startup problems of 
Firefox/Thunderbird ...
Is there a chance, that Firefox  Thunderbird will share files (runtime 
environment / framework) together again on Windows ???
That chance is basically 0, even if you assume to be using FF and TB on 
the same version (say betas of both). The absolute minimum requirement 
would be being able to share the same libxul, which both Firefox 
developers and Thunderbird developers have had very little inclination 
to work towards making possible.


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Joshua Cranmer
Thunderbird and DXR developer
Source code archæologist

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Re: Firefox/Thunderbird and GRE/XRE/XULRunner

2014-07-08 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
OK, I understand.

The question was not just because of FF  TB to save just some bits ...
... it was also, because I think it will be in the future a good idea to let 
run Firefox OS Apps on other OSes like it is possible with MS Modern UI and 
WinRT ... also would there be a possibility for an alternative GUI like MS 
Modern UI e.g. for ReactOS ...

I see some files that should be possible to share e.g in C:\Program Files 
(x86)\Common Files\Mozilla\ ...
crashreporter.exe
crashreporter.ini
maintenanceservice.exe
maintenanceservice_installer.exe
plugin-container.exe
plugin-hang-ui.exe
updater.exe
updater.ini
And I'm sure there should exist some more ...


Greets, Tobias.


Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2014 21:25:24 UTC+2 schrieb Joshua Cranmer :
 On 7/8/2014 1:51 PM, Tobias Besemer wrote:
 
  As far as I can remember, at the beginning when GRE was build, there was 
  the try that Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla-Suite will use this ...
 
 
 
  After Thunderbird is now back, a Mozilla Update Service exist and the 
  Crash Reporter needs to be re-done, but keeps a standalone App for startup 
  problems of Firefox/Thunderbird ...
 
  Is there a chance, that Firefox  Thunderbird will share files (runtime 
  environment / framework) together again on Windows ???
 
 That chance is basically 0, even if you assume to be using FF and TB on 
 
 the same version (say betas of both). The absolute minimum requirement 
 
 would be being able to share the same libxul, which both Firefox 
 
 developers and Thunderbird developers have had very little inclination 
 
 to work towards making possible.
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 Joshua Cranmer
 
 Thunderbird and DXR developer
 
 Source code archæologist
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Re: Firefox/Thunderbird and GRE/XRE/XULRunner

2014-07-08 Thread Robert Strong
Regarding the other files there would need to be a versioning scheme 
implemented so applications would be able to figure out which one is 
compatible. Since any of these applications can be installed stand alone each 
one would need to be available during install and update unless we expended 
resources on providing multiple updates (one with and one without) for each 
application as well as additional code to handle versioning during update and 
install. Over all the complexity and extra work is not something that is likely 
to be implemented.

- Original Message -
 From: Tobias B. Besemer tobias.bese...@googlemail.com
 To: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org
 Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 12:59:29 PM
 Subject: Re: Firefox/Thunderbird and GRE/XRE/XULRunner
 
 OK, I understand.
 
 The question was not just because of FF  TB to save just some bits ...
 ... it was also, because I think it will be in the future a good idea to let
 run Firefox OS Apps on other OSes like it is possible with MS Modern UI and
 WinRT ... also would there be a possibility for an alternative GUI like MS
 Modern UI e.g. for ReactOS ...
 
 I see some files that should be possible to share e.g in C:\Program Files
 (x86)\Common Files\Mozilla\ ...
 crashreporter.exe
 crashreporter.ini
 maintenanceservice.exe
 maintenanceservice_installer.exe
 plugin-container.exe
 plugin-hang-ui.exe
 updater.exe
 updater.ini
 And I'm sure there should exist some more ...
 
 
 Greets, Tobias.
 
 
 Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2014 21:25:24 UTC+2 schrieb Joshua Cranmer :
  On 7/8/2014 1:51 PM, Tobias Besemer wrote:
  
   As far as I can remember, at the beginning when GRE was build, there was
   the try that Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla-Suite will use this ...
  
  
  
   After Thunderbird is now back, a Mozilla Update Service exist and the
   Crash Reporter needs to be re-done, but keeps a standalone App for
   startup problems of Firefox/Thunderbird ...
  
   Is there a chance, that Firefox  Thunderbird will share files (runtime
   environment / framework) together again on Windows ???
  
  That chance is basically 0, even if you assume to be using FF and TB on
  
  the same version (say betas of both). The absolute minimum requirement
  
  would be being able to share the same libxul, which both Firefox
  
  developers and Thunderbird developers have had very little inclination
  
  to work towards making possible.
  
  
  
  --
  
  Joshua Cranmer
  
  Thunderbird and DXR developer
  
  Source code archæologist
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Re: Firefox/Thunderbird and GRE/XRE/XULRunner

2014-07-08 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
What's about the idea (for the future) that all stable versions use XULRunner 
and beta, alpha  nightly use there own XUL ???
I think that in the stable versions of Firefox, Thunderbird  Firefox OS are 
the Gecko all the same ... ???
This would allow a GUI and running Firfox OS Apps on different platforms (like 
Windows, Linux, BSD) based on the stable Gecko that is also shipped with the 
newest Firefox OS ...
(Just as an idea for the future ...)

Greets, Tobias.


Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2014 20:51:57 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias Besemer:
 As far as I can remember, at the beginning when GRE was build, there was the 
 try that Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla-Suite will use this ...
 
 
 
 After Thunderbird is now back, a Mozilla Update Service exist and the Crash 
 Reporter needs to be re-done, but keeps a standalone App for startup problems 
 of Firefox/Thunderbird ...
 
 Is there a chance, that Firefox  Thunderbird will share files (runtime 
 environment / framework) together again on Windows ???
 
 
 
 
 
 Greets, Tobias.
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