Re: PSA: Support for building with Windows SDK 8.1 removed from Gecko 37
I recommend a 4+ physical core Ivy Bridge or newer i5/i7 CPU, 8+ GB of RAM (16 GB preferred), and an SSD. If you work for Mozilla and don't have that (e.g. you are building on a MacBook Air), please order a new machine right now. Anyone with less is going to have a bad time. I'm inclined to consider any setup with 4 or less GB of RAM unsupported. These are requirements today. Unless it got scrapped in Q1 goal setting, there are plans to ship a build mode that downloads pre-built binaries. If you don't touch C++, your system requirements will essentially drop to nothing since there will be very little system-intensive parts of the build. This will, of course, require a decent internet connection in order to not be super annoying. But I'm guessing most people have that, so no big deal. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Mike Hoye mh...@mozilla.com wrote: On 2015-01-09 8:59 AM, Neil wrote: 2GB builds, although I expect it's on the slow side. 1GB isn't enough though, unless you enable shared gkmedias and js (and shared js builds are broken anyway because we don't link to js when we should). 1GB is the bare minimum require to run VS2013 Community at all, and that's only for Win7x86 nonvirtual. On VMs you need 1.5 min, say the specs, and x64 are 2GB. I've put a 2GB minimum in the docs; I'm curious what the real disk space minimums are for Linux? Those numbers haven't been updated in a while, looks like. - mhoye ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: PSA: Support for building with Windows SDK 8.1 removed from Gecko 37
On 2015-01-09 8:59 AM, Neil wrote: 2GB builds, although I expect it's on the slow side. 1GB isn't enough though, unless you enable shared gkmedias and js (and shared js builds are broken anyway because we don't link to js when we should). 1GB is the bare minimum require to run VS2013 Community at all, and that's only for Win7x86 nonvirtual. On VMs you need 1.5 min, say the specs, and x64 are 2GB. I've put a 2GB minimum in the docs; I'm curious what the real disk space minimums are for Linux? Those numbers haven't been updated in a while, looks like. - mhoye ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: PSA: Support for building with Windows SDK 8.1 removed from Gecko 37
On 1/9/2015 1:17 PM, Mike Hoye wrote: I'm curious what the real disk space minimums are for Linux? Those numbers haven't been updated in a while, looks like. The most disk-heavy build configuration uses 7-10GB of disk space for srcdir + objdir; the least probably 2-3GB. -- Joshua Cranmer Thunderbird and DXR developer Source code archæologist ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
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Joshua Cranmer wrote: On 1/8/2015 10:05 AM, Mike Hoye wrote: I'm revisiting our docs in light of this to figure out what our real minimum hardware/ram/disk requirements are. The temptation to start adding If you try to build Firefox with 2 gigs of RAM, you're gonna have a bad time memes to the docs is severe. One of my machines is a 2-core, 2GB machine. I've built Firefox on it somewhat recently (~months), but that is without optimization or debug symbols. IIRC, it failed to build in debug + debug symbols, but that was last tried before we supported debug symbol fission or unified file compilation. 2GB builds, although I expect it's on the slow side. 1GB isn't enough though, unless you enable shared gkmedias and js (and shared js builds are broken anyway because we don't link to js when we should). -- Warning: May contain traces of nuts. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
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On 1/8/2015 11:56 AM, Joshua Cranmer wrote: In practice, if you're building infrequently (say, provisioning a VM for Windows or Linux for occasional builds, not primary development), then 4 cores and 4GB of RAM appear to suffice (I've used 4GB for a Linux VM on my laptop and 8GB for a Windows VM on my desktop). For primary development that involves frequent invocation of mach build binaries, 8GB of RAM or more would be recommended. FWIW, our build slaves have 4GB of physical RAM and 4GB of swap and we occasionally OOM our Win8 x64 PGO builds (worst-case scenario, I know). So yeah, 8GB plus swap sounds like a good idea :) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1093664 ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: PSA: Support for building with Windows SDK 8.1 removed from Gecko 37
On 1/8/2015 10:05 AM, Mike Hoye wrote: I'm revisiting our docs in light of this to figure out what our real minimum hardware/ram/disk requirements are. The temptation to start adding If you try to build Firefox with 2 gigs of RAM, you're gonna have a bad time memes to the docs is severe. One of my machines is a 2-core, 2GB machine. I've built Firefox on it somewhat recently (~months), but that is without optimization or debug symbols. IIRC, it failed to build in debug + debug symbols, but that was last tried before we supported debug symbol fission or unified file compilation. Note that buildable doesn't mean convenient--if you do something else while building, such as have a web browser open, you will meet the OOM killer. This suggests that 2GB of RAM is the absolute minimum requirement for building. In practice, if you're building infrequently (say, provisioning a VM for Windows or Linux for occasional builds, not primary development), then 4 cores and 4GB of RAM appear to suffice (I've used 4GB for a Linux VM on my laptop and 8GB for a Windows VM on my desktop). For primary development that involves frequent invocation of mach build binaries, 8GB of RAM or more would be recommended. -- Joshua Cranmer Thunderbird and DXR developer Source code archæologist ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: PSA: Support for building with Windows SDK 8.1 removed from Gecko 37
On 2015-01-08 12:15 AM, Botond Ballo wrote: Building Firefox*for* Windows XP (and running it on Windows XP) is unaffected. Building Firefox*on* Windows XP, however, is - I believe - no longer supported, and in fact hasn't been since we bumped the minimum required MSVC version to 2012, since 2010 is the latest MSVC version that XP can run. VS2013 won't run* on Windows earlier than Win7, Service Pack 1. I'm revisiting our docs in light of this to figure out what our real minimum hardware/ram/disk requirements are. The temptation to start adding If you try to build Firefox with 2 gigs of RAM, you're gonna have a bad time memes to the docs is severe. - mhoye * - (Well, not entirely true - it'll run on Server 2008 R2, but that's x64 only and also will never actually happen.) ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: PSA: Support for building with Windows SDK 8.1 removed from Gecko 37
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ryan VanderMeulen rya...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/7/2015 10:20 PM, Yonggang Luo wrote: Does that means windows xp doesn't support anymore? It has no effect on that, same as how dropping support for all MSVC versions prior to 2013 didn't. Building Firefox *for* Windows XP (and running it on Windows XP) is unaffected. Building Firefox *on* Windows XP, however, is - I believe - no longer supported, and in fact hasn't been since we bumped the minimum required MSVC version to 2012, since 2010 is the latest MSVC version that XP can run. Cheers, Botond ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: PSA: Support for building with Windows SDK 8.1 removed from Gecko 37
Does that means windows xp doesn't support anymore? ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: PSA: Support for building with Windows SDK 8.1 removed from Gecko 37
On 1/7/2015 10:20 PM, Yonggang Luo wrote: Does that means windows xp doesn't support anymore? It has no effect on that, same as how dropping support for all MSVC versions prior to 2013 didn't. -Ryan ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
PSA: Support for building with Windows SDK 8.1 removed from Gecko 37
This was already implicit by making MSVC2013 the minimum supported compiler (since the 8.1 SDK ships with it anyway), but it's now explicitly been made a hard requirement in the build system as well. Various code that was obviously conditioned on older SDK versions was also cleaned up, but it's possible that other cleanups are now possible. I didn't see any obvious changes required for any of our existing build docs for this change. We should probably wait to update https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Windows_SDK_versions until we no longer have any supported releases the permit older compilers/SDKs (i.e. esr31 EOL). Enjoy! -Ryan ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
