Re: Lack of space on /

2011-07-13 Thread Chris Jones
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote:

 On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 11:08 +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
  Some of us do watch movies also, which of course requires an X
  session.

 Not really. mplayer has several outputs which function without an X
 session - less usefully, aalib; more usefully, directfb. I dunno if they
 work in modern Fedora, though. might be an interesting weekend poke.
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In theory, probably possible yes. Whether it's very usable and workable in
the real world is another matter altogether.
Feel free to give it a shot. But personally, I've got better things to do.


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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Petr Sabata
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 03:28:59PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Orphan perl-Danga-Socket
 Orphan perl-Sys-Syscall

I've taken those two in Fedora; EPEL is still available.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 15:28 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Orphan python-igraph

I'll take this one, looks like something I could play with.

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Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread Olivier Sallou
Hi,

I am a newby regarding rpm packaging (more used to deb packaging).
I want to know if there is a way to configure a package at install using
rpmdev stuff, like debconf in Debian.
Or do we need to create our own config script management?

Thanks

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Re: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/13/2011 01:10 PM, Olivier Sallou wrote:
 Hi,

 I am a newby regarding rpm packaging (more used to deb packaging).
 I want to know if there is a way to configure a package at install using
 rpmdev stuff, like debconf in Debian.
 Or do we need to create our own config script management?

If you provide more details on what exactly you are trying to do,  more
specific suggestions could be given

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread David Tardon
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 05:10:01PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Each release, before branching, we block currently orphaned packages.
 It's that time again for Fedora 16.
 
 New this go-round is that we are also blocking packages that have
 failed to build since before Fedora 14.
 
 The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If
 you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up.

 Orphan libwps

taken

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 04:22:05PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said: 
   Orphan: gdk-pixbuf
   freetennis requires gdk-pixbuf-devel = 1:0.22.0-38.fc12
  
  I'll take this one to keep freetennis, which seems to be a fairly highly
  rated game. gdk-pixbuf is FTBFS, but I think I can get it building before
  alpha.
 
 This looks like a rather bogus dep, IMO - gdk-pixbuf is for GTK1 apps,
 and freetennis is gtk2.

freetennis is also very dead upstream (no updates since ~2005).

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Re: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread Olivier Sallou
I create a new package.
At install, we need to ask for some quesitons to the user to
preconfigure the application.
At upgrade, it would be nice to get already answered questions rather
than ask again for configuration.
This can be managed manually, but it would be nicer to get this managed
with packaging tools.

Olivier

Le 7/13/11 10:09 AM, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
 On 07/13/2011 01:10 PM, Olivier Sallou wrote:
 Hi,

 I am a newby regarding rpm packaging (more used to deb packaging).
 I want to know if there is a way to configure a package at install using
 rpmdev stuff, like debconf in Debian.
 Or do we need to create our own config script management?
 If you provide more details on what exactly you are trying to do,  more
 specific suggestions could be given

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2011-07-12, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
 Orphan perl-Gearman
 Orphan perl-Gearman-Client-Async
 Orphan perl-Gearman-Server
 Orphan perl-MogileFS-Client
 Orphan perl-MogileFS-Utils
 Orphan perl-Perlbal-XS-HTTPHeaders
 Orphan perl-mogilefs-server
 Orphan root-tail
Fedora branches overtaken. EPEL still for free.

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R: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread pinto.e...@gmail.com
Sorry for not quoting. On github exists a little application 
rpm-gen-configuration or so that can create an rpm from configuration data. It 
generate automatically the deps required and it is safe regarding conflict and 
upgrade. Dunno if can useful to you. Best regards
Messaggio originale
Da: Olivier Sallou
Inviato:  13/07/2011, 09:40 
A: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Oggetto: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration


Hi,

I am a newby regarding rpm packaging (more used to deb packaging).
I want to know if there is a way to configure a package at install using
rpmdev stuff, like debconf in Debian.
Or do we need to create our own config script management?

Thanks

Olivier

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Re: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/13/2011 10:57 AM, Olivier Sallou wrote:
 I create a new package.
 At install, we need to ask for some quesitons to the user to
 preconfigure the application.
rpm-based installations are supposed to be non-interactive, i.e. this is 
not allowed.

 At upgrade, it would be nice to get already answered questions rather
 than ask again for configuration.
Installations are supposed to respect what the user had previously 
configured.

 This can be managed manually, but it would be nicer to get this managed
 with packaging tools.
rpm-based systems' philosophy is to let users configure their systems 
after package installations/updates, not during installation.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2011/7/12 Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com:

 Orphan fvwm
        comaintained by: pertusus

Took this one.
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Daniel Veillard
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 05:10:01PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Each release, before branching, we block currently orphaned packages.
 It's that time again for Fedora 16.
 
 New this go-round is that we are also blocking packages that have
 failed to build since before Fedora 14.
 
 The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If
 you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up.
 
 This list has been fixed to properly show all orphaned packages. It's
 a lot longer.
[...]
 Orphan libcmpiutil
   comaintained by: veillard
[...]
 Orphan libvirt-cim
   comaintained by: veillard

  I sent a mail to this very list one week ago:

  Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:07:57 +0800
  From: Daniel Veillard veill...@redhat.com
  To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
  Subject: Taking ownership of libcmpiutil and libvirt-cim

to avoid them being retired, never got an answer.
At the time visiting
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/libcmpiutil
didn't show any option to take ownership, was that a temporary
failure, I'm sure I checked and was logged in, weird ...

  Anyway I now took ownership of both.
BTW could someone could take care of rel-eng request #4805
 http://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng
I'm unable to build a recent libvirt-cim for F15 due to the
libcmpi update dependancy,

  thanks in advance !

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[Bug 718190] perl-Coro-6.02 is available

2011-07-13 Thread bugzilla
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718190

Upstream Release Monitoring upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org 
changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|perl-Coro-6.01 is available |perl-Coro-6.02 is available

--- Comment #3 from Upstream Release Monitoring 
upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org 2011-07-13 06:35:37 EDT ---
Latest upstream release: 6.02
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 5.372
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Coro/

Please consult the package updates policy before you issue an update to a
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:10:01 PM Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Each release, before branching, we block currently orphaned packages.
 It's that time again for Fedora 16.
 
 New this go-round is that we are also blocking packages that have
 failed to build since before Fedora 14.
 
 The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If
 you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up.
 
 This list has been fixed to properly show all orphaned packages. It's
 a lot longer.
 
 Orphan contextkit
   comaintained by: jreznik

A comaintainer I take this one.

 Orphan qct

I use it sometimes, taken.

 Orphan qtcurve-kde4
   comaintained by: rdieter hein

Just not to forget, I take this one as rdieter and Sho are comaintainers, feel 
free to ask me to take ownership.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Thomas Spura
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:55:30 +1000
Peter Hutterer wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:05:14PM +0200, Thomas Spura wrote:
  On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:28:59 -0400
  Bill Nottingham wrote:
  
   Orphan gpointing-device-settings
  
  This is co-maintained by whot (not shown in this list).
  
  I definitely want to keep this.
  Peter: Do you continue as primary maintainer and I'll co-maintain
  it, or do you want to stay co-maintainer?
 
 I got added as maintainer when the package was added but it's been
 quite a while since I found time to look at it, nevermind attempting
 to fix any bugs. I'd be happy for you to take over this package, I'll
 remove myself from the maintainers list then. Thanks.

Unorphaned in F-15 and devel.
Will try to look at the bugs soon...

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Sergio Pascual
 Orphan scitools

I'm going to take this
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Jiri Skala
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 17:10 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Orphan netsniff-ng
   comaintained by: fab

No more orphaned. I've grabbed it Fedora+EPEL.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Radek Novacek
 Orphan spyder
   comaintained by: rnovacek

I have taken spyder, as I'm comaintainer.

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Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 05:01:11PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 23:44 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
  Hello list,
  
  I'm curious to know how many laptops have problems with
  ACPI lid state in Linux. I've been told some laptops report
  wrong lid state through ACPI, while my laptop seems to report it properly.
 
 Once you have this data, what do you intend to do with it?
 

Good question. I was just curious to know how widespread problem that is.

I tend to use my laptop in the docking station, only using external monitor,
so it's annoying when testing new alpha/beta/final Fedora releases
and Fedora uses the internal lvds, under the *closed* lid, as a primary 
display..
ie. the installer/livedesktop is not visible at all on my setup, until I open 
the lid.

So just trying to find some kind of workaround to that..
Using clone-mode as a default would solve the problem.. 
(now the default mode in Fedora is to use extended desktop)

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Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:01:25PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:44:59PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
 
  I guess that should cover all the usecases..
  Please post your findings to this list.
 
 Please don't. ACPI lid state is not reliable on a range of hardware for 
 a bunch of reasons, ranging from open events that are never fired to 
 query methods that read from the wrong register. We can't pay attention 
 to it by default, and running a survey doesn't change that.
 

Ok. Do you know if there are other (better working) methods to get the lid 
state info? 

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Jan Chadima

 Orphan etherape
I take it
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New feature for Fedora 16: new mkdumprd

2011-07-13 Thread Américo Wang
Hello, Fedora people,

Would any of you kindly help to review my proposed feature
for Fedora 16?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewMkdumprd

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Re: New feature for Fedora 16: new mkdumprd

2011-07-13 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:31:39PM +0800, Américo Wang wrote:
 Hello, Fedora people,
 
 Would any of you kindly help to review my proposed feature
 for Fedora 16?
 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewMkdumprd

In case anyone was wondering, Américo also addressed this to me
because I previously gave him some tips on constructing a Fedora
feature page. :-)  Discuss away!

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Re: New feature for Fedora 16: new mkdumprd

2011-07-13 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:46:30AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:31:39PM +0800, Américo Wang wrote:
  Hello, Fedora people,
  
  Would any of you kindly help to review my proposed feature
  for Fedora 16?
  
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewMkdumprd
 
 In case anyone was wondering, Américo also addressed this to me
 because I previously gave him some tips on constructing a Fedora
 feature page. :-)  Discuss away!

  Feature proposal dealing was yesterday?

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Re: New feature for Fedora 16: new mkdumprd

2011-07-13 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 03:50:07PM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
   Would any of you kindly help to review my proposed feature
   for Fedora 16?
   
   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewMkdumprd
  
   Feature proposal dealing was yesterday?

  deadline, of course.

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Re: New feature for Fedora 16: new mkdumprd

2011-07-13 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:46:30AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:31:39PM +0800, Américo Wang wrote:
  Hello, Fedora people,
  
  Would any of you kindly help to review my proposed feature
  for Fedora 16?
  
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewMkdumprd
 
 In case anyone was wondering, Américo also addressed this to me
 because I previously gave him some tips on constructing a Fedora
 feature page. :-)  Discuss away!

*sigh* Never mind -- I got a copy of this and thought it was addressed
to me personally.  Need more coffee.

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Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 15:22 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:01:25PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
  Please don't. ACPI lid state is not reliable on a range of hardware for 
  a bunch of reasons, ranging from open events that are never fired to 
  query methods that read from the wrong register. We can't pay attention 
  to it by default, and running a survey doesn't change that.
 
 Ok. Do you know if there are other (better working) methods to get the lid 
 state info? 

If we knew of any, they'd be implemented in the kernel, and we'd be
using them.

I know this is a frustrating thing to hear, and I empathize, I really
do.  But the state of the art right now is that there's one interface
for laptop lids, it's in ACPI, and it's not reliable.

Once upon a time there was an effort to make a Linux-based test kit for
firmware [1], so vendors could run it before releasing hardware and
verify that the Linux interfaces function.  Lid state and lid events
could have been one such test case.  Sadly the effort seems to have
stagnated; it could really use a revival.  But even such a test kit
would only fix new hardware, existing machines will continue to be as
broken as they currently are forever.

[1] - http://linuxfirmwarekit.org/

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Re: cmake so versioning issue

2011-07-13 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 13:54 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
 Dang line wrapping :)
 
 Here's another version using LIBRARIES_SOVERSION instead. Didn't see
 it the first time.
 
 http://pastebin.com/8wQeM6XQ
 
 Richard

Hi Richard, 

That didn't work either :/

I decided to hack it down, and now this is what my spec looks like:

http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/opennl/OpenNL.spec


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Re: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/13/2011 05:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
 On 07/13/2011 10:57 AM, Olivier Sallou wrote:
 This can be managed manually, but it would be nicer to get this managed
 with packaging tools.
 rpm-based systems' philosophy is to let users configure their systems
 after package installations/updates, not during installation.

OK, but post-installation configuration is a serious deployment issue in 
some environments; sometimes it is a legal requirement (custom login 
messages, participation in enterprise account management, this kind of 
thing). Doing manual tweaking on many machines is not fun---I can see 
two ways of dealing with this:

  1) deployment of a configuration system like puppet
  2) private configuration packages installed after standard package
 sets, that tweak the installation

1) is preferred, but requires serious prep and setup, and in any case it 
implies some additional client configuration that simply does not happen 
in the standard install. Is 2) an acceptable solution to the assembled 
wisdom? It doesn't seem that different to what selinux policy packages 
are doing in the SELinux area.

Maybe there are other ways to approach it that worked well for 
people---please comment.
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Re: cmake so versioning issue

2011-07-13 Thread Richard Shaw
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 13:54 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
 Hi Richard,

 That didn't work either :/

I was going purely by the patch and I'm certainly not a cmake expert
but this did work for me on a new package I'm working on...


 I decided to hack it down, and now this is what my spec looks like:

 http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/opennl/OpenNL.spec

Does that actually set the soversion in the library?

What does:

readelf -d library.so | grep -i SONAME

give you?

An example from my package:

# readelf -d libpugixml.so | grep -i SONAME
 0x000e (SONAME) Library soname: [libpugixml.so.1.0]

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi,

On 07/13/2011 04:11 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 15:22 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:01:25PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
 Please don't. ACPI lid state is not reliable on a range of hardware for
 a bunch of reasons, ranging from open events that are never fired to
 query methods that read from the wrong register. We can't pay attention
 to it by default, and running a survey doesn't change that.

 Ok. Do you know if there are other (better working) methods to get the lid 
 state info?

 If we knew of any, they'd be implemented in the kernel, and we'd be
 using them.

 I know this is a frustrating thing to hear, and I empathize, I really
 do.  But the state of the art right now is that there's one interface
 for laptop lids, it's in ACPI, and it's not reliable.

 Once upon a time there was an effort to make a Linux-based test kit for
 firmware [1], so vendors could run it before releasing hardware and
 verify that the Linux interfaces function.  Lid state and lid events
 could have been one such test case.  Sadly the effort seems to have
 stagnated; it could really use a revival.  But even such a test kit
 would only fix new hardware, existing machines will continue to be as
 broken as they currently are forever.

Maybe it it is an idea to build a whitelist for machines which do
have working ACPI lid support? I realize maintaining such a list is
a pain, but this way people who care and are lucky enough to have actually
working hardware can at least use this ?

Regards,

Hans
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Re: cmake so versioning issue

2011-07-13 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 09:30 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 13:54 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
  Hi Richard,
 
  That didn't work either :/
 
 I was going purely by the patch and I'm certainly not a cmake expert
 but this did work for me on a new package I'm working on...
 
 
  I decided to hack it down, and now this is what my spec looks like:
 
  http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/opennl/OpenNL.spec
 
 Does that actually set the soversion in the library?
 
 What does:
 
 readelf -d library.so | grep -i SONAME
 
 give you?
 
 An example from my package:
 
 # readelf -d libpugixml.so | grep -i SONAME
  0x000e (SONAME) Library soname: [libpugixml.so.1.0]
 
 Thanks,
 Richard

Yep! It does :D

[root@ankur lib]# ls
libopennl.so.3.4.1
[root@ankur lib]# readelf -d libopennl.so.3.4.1 | egrep -i soname
 0x000e (SONAME) Library soname:
[libopennl.so.3]


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[Bug 695589] Providing native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd

2011-07-13 Thread bugzilla
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695589

Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@hi.is changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||713562(SysVtoSystemd)

--- Comment #6 from Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@hi.is 2011-07-13 11:10:22 
EDT ---
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd
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[Bug 695597] Providing native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695597

Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@hi.is changed:

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 Blocks||713562(SysVtoSystemd)

--- Comment #2 from Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@hi.is 2011-07-13 11:10:42 
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread TASAKA Mamoru
Bill Nottingham wrote, at 07/13/2011 06:10 AM +9:00:
 Each release, before branching, we block currently orphaned packages.
 It's that time again for Fedora 16.

 New this go-round is that we are also blocking packages that have
 failed to build since before Fedora 14.

 The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If
 you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up.

 This list has been fixed to properly show all orphaned packages. It's
 a lot longer.



 Orphan kazehakase

I am the current (orignal) owner of kazehakase and now I fixed
the build (FTBFS issue). Any other action needed?
Thank you in advance.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
TASAKA Mamoru (mtas...@fedoraproject.org) said: 
  Orphan kazehakase
 
 I am the current (orignal) owner of kazehakase and now I fixed
 the build (FTBFS issue). Any other action needed?

Nope, the FTBFS will be re-checked against what's built in
dist-f16 before we retire anything.

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Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 16:57 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:

 Maybe it it is an idea to build a whitelist for machines which do
 have working ACPI lid support? I realize maintaining such a list is
 a pain, but this way people who care and are lucky enough to have actually
 working hardware can at least use this ?

It's an idea, but not one I'd do.  Either a whitelist or a blacklist
would be oppressively large.

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Orphaning iDesk

2011-07-13 Thread Gilboa Davara
Hello all,

I've orphaned idesk.
Upstream is long dead and I'm currently do not have the necessary free
time to get it to work under Fedora 15.

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Re: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
 On 07/13/2011 10:57 AM, Olivier Sallou wrote:
 I create a new package.
 At install, we need to ask for some quesitons to the user to
 preconfigure the application.
 rpm-based installations are supposed to be non-interactive, i.e. this is
 not allowed.

If a package has this sort of thing, it will be separate from RPM or
yum. See MySQL's mysql_secure_installation script for an example.
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[perl-Net-SSLeay] drop obsolete BRs

2011-07-13 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 6a58efa8d736d5fdcebbe1ce3928b6f3f36c4367
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date:   Wed Jul 13 18:11:43 2011 +0200

drop obsolete BRs

 perl-Net-SSLeay.spec |9 ++---
 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Net-SSLeay.spec b/perl-Net-SSLeay.spec
index 9c5b9fb..35487cc 100644
--- a/perl-Net-SSLeay.spec
+++ b/perl-Net-SSLeay.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:  perl-Net-SSLeay
 Version:   1.36
-Release:   4%{?dist}
+Release:   5%{?dist}
 Summary:   Perl extension for using OpenSSL
 Group: Development/Libraries
 License:   OpenSSL
@@ -9,9 +9,9 @@ Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/F/FL/FLORA/Net-SSLeay-%{version}
 BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 Requires:  perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker), openssl-devel
-BuildRequires: perl(Array::Compare), perl(MIME::Base64), perl(Sub::Uplevel)
+BuildRequires: perl(MIME::Base64)
 BuildRequires: perl(Test::Exception), perl(Test::NoWarnings), perl(Test::Pod)
-BuildRequires: perl(Test::Warn), perl(Tree::DAG_Node)
+BuildRequires: perl(Test::Warn)
 
 # don't provide private Perl libs or the redundant unversioned 
perl(Net::SSLeay) one
 %global _use_internal_dependency_generator 0
@@ -67,6 +67,9 @@ PERL_MM_USE_DEFAULT=1 %{__perl} Makefile.PL \
 %{_mandir}/man3/Net::SSLeay*.3*
 
 %changelog
+* Wed Jul 13 2011 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 1.36-5
+- drop obsolete BRs Array::Compare, Sub::Uplevel, Tree::DAG_Node
+
 * Tue Feb 08 2011 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 1.36-4
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Mass_Rebuild
 
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 06:06:37PM +0800, Daniel Veillard wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 05:10:01PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
  Each release, before branching, we block currently orphaned packages.
  It's that time again for Fedora 16.
  
  New this go-round is that we are also blocking packages that have
  failed to build since before Fedora 14.
  
  The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If
  you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up.
  
  This list has been fixed to properly show all orphaned packages. It's
  a lot longer.
 [...]
  Orphan libcmpiutil
  comaintained by: veillard
 [...]
  Orphan libvirt-cim
  comaintained by: veillard
 
   I sent a mail to this very list one week ago:
 
   Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:07:57 +0800
   From: Daniel Veillard veill...@redhat.com
   To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
   Subject: Taking ownership of libcmpiutil and libvirt-cim
 
 to avoid them being retired, never got an answer.
 At the time visiting
   https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/libcmpiutil
 didn't show any option to take ownership, was that a temporary
 failure, I'm sure I checked and was logged in, weird ...
 
Sorta.  These packages were orphaned due to the maintainer not signing the
FPCA.  When that script was run, I failed to properly set the status to
Orphaned which left you unable to take ownership.  Sorry for missing your
earlier email about the problem and thanks for taking them now!

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[perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session/el6] drop circular build deps

2011-07-13 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes:

  e046513... drop circular build deps (*)

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Re: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:57:03AM +0200, Olivier Sallou wrote:
 I create a new package.
 At install, we need to ask for some quesitons to the user to
 preconfigure the application.

As others have said, this is a bad idea and not permitted for Fedora.
Personally I think it's a misfeature of apt/dpkg that updates are not
completely automated by default.

Nevertheless, it *is* possible to write an RPM which asks questions
during the %post script, and in fact I have used RPMs which did this
in the past (a bit of proprietary software where installation required
a license key to be entered on the keyboard as part of the EULA).

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Re: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 09:40 +0200, Olivier Sallou wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I am a newby regarding rpm packaging (more used to deb packaging).
 I want to know if there is a way to configure a package at install using
 rpmdev stuff, like debconf in Debian.
 Or do we need to create our own config script management?

RPM doesn't have anything equivalent; it's considered a no-no in RPM
packaging to have any interactivity as part of a package's scripts,
packages are expected to be installable unattended.
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Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 15:21 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 05:01:11PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
  On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 23:44 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
   Hello list,
   
   I'm curious to know how many laptops have problems with
   ACPI lid state in Linux. I've been told some laptops report
   wrong lid state through ACPI, while my laptop seems to report it properly.
  
  Once you have this data, what do you intend to do with it?
  
 
 Good question. I was just curious to know how widespread problem that is.
 
 I tend to use my laptop in the docking station, only using external monitor,
 so it's annoying when testing new alpha/beta/final Fedora releases
 and Fedora uses the internal lvds, under the *closed* lid, as a primary 
 display..
 ie. the installer/livedesktop is not visible at all on my setup, until I open 
 the lid.
 
 So just trying to find some kind of workaround to that..
 Using clone-mode as a default would solve the problem.. 
 (now the default mode in Fedora is to use extended desktop)

I think I recall discussing this with the anaconda team before; we
agreed in principle that it would make sense for anaconda to default to
clone mode, but the problem is X doesn't have any very easy mechanism
for overriding the default, there is no simple command line parameter
anaconda could pass to X to launch it in clone mode instead of span
mode. anaconda would have to include an X config stub to specify clone
mode and then ensure that stub wasn't installed. I think no-one got
around to getting that done yet. I'm not sure if there's a bug for it,
but you could have a look.
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Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 11:35 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 16:57 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
 
  Maybe it it is an idea to build a whitelist for machines which do
  have working ACPI lid support? I realize maintaining such a list is
  a pain, but this way people who care and are lucky enough to have actually
  working hardware can at least use this ?
 
 It's an idea, but not one I'd do.  Either a whitelist or a blacklist
 would be oppressively large.

I suppose a whitelist has the advantage that it can't hurt anything
compared to the current state, and no matter how short it is, it
benefits *some* people.
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Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 10:47 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 11:35 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
  On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 16:57 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
  
   Maybe it it is an idea to build a whitelist for machines which do
   have working ACPI lid support? I realize maintaining such a list is
   a pain, but this way people who care and are lucky enough to have actually
   working hardware can at least use this ?
  
  It's an idea, but not one I'd do.  Either a whitelist or a blacklist
  would be oppressively large.
 
 I suppose a whitelist has the advantage that it can't hurt anything
 compared to the current state, and no matter how short it is, it
 benefits *some* people.

Oh, and depending on how it was implemented, it would provide a way for
competent users to manually add their own systems to the whitelist and
enable lid state functionality if they were happy with its performance
on their particular system; right now there's no way you can say 'no,
really, the lid switch works on my system, please use it'.
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Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Richard Shaw
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
 Oh, and depending on how it was implemented, it would provide a way for
 competent users to manually add their own systems to the whitelist and
 enable lid state functionality if they were happy with its performance
 on their particular system; right now there's no way you can say 'no,
 really, the lid switch works on my system, please use it'.

I'm not volunteering since I don't have enough time or programming skill, but...

What about some kind of simple (python?) GUI interface that would
first check against a whitelist, then if not on it could test for the
correct events by instructing the user clone and open their lids a few
times and then (if successful) ask the user if they want to enable lid
support?

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[Test-Announce] 2011-07-15 @ 17:00 UTC - F16 Alpha blocker bug review #1

2011-07-13 Thread James Laska
# F16 Alpha Blocker Review meeting #1
# Date: 2011-07-15
# Time: 17:00 UTC [1] (13:00 EDT, 10:00 PDT, 10:00 MST)
# Location: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net

Hard to believe, but the vacation is over.  Fedora 16 Alpha test
compose is a few weeks away (Jul 26) and the Alpha is about a month away
(Aug 10 for go/no_go meeting).  

In an effort to reduce last minute bug scramble, the blocker review
meetings will be starting up again [2].  Each Friday, between now and
the Alpha release, a blocker review will take place in
#fedora-bugzappers.  

Mark your calendars ... the first Alpha blocker review meeting starts at
17:00 UTC in #fedora-bugzappers.  We'll review proposed and accepted F16
Alpha blocker bugs.  An updated list of blocker bugs is available at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers (also attached
to this mail).  We'll be reviewing the bugs to determine ...
 1. whether they meet the Alpha release criteria [3] and should stay
on the list
 2. are getting the attention they need

For guidance on Blocker and Nice-to-have (NTH) bugs, refer to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process and
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_nth_bug_process

== Suggested Meeting Preparation ==

Maintainers ...
  * If your bug is *not* MODIFIED ... this issue is at risk of
slipping the F16 Alpha release date
  * If your bug is in MODIFIED ... please make sure a build with the
fix exists, and is available as a bodhi update.

Testers ...
  * If you REPORT a bug ... please be responsive to any requests for
additional information.
  * If a bug is in ON_QA ... please take a moment to apply the
update, and post karma feedback (doesn't apply to rawhide at the
moment)

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto
[2]
http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Alpha_Release_Criteria

Thanks,
James

== Approved Blockers ==

The following list of bugs are approved blockers that must be resolved.  There
are 0 bugs affecting 0 components.


== Proposed Blockers ==

The following list of bugs are not yet approved to block the release.  There
are 108 bugs affecting 106 components.  For guidance on reviewing the following
bugs, refer to [[QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process]].

 * 389-admin - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695741 (NEW) - 
Providing native systemd file 
 * 389-ds-base - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695736 (NEW) - 
Providing native systemd file 
 * Ajaxterm - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=657565 (NEW) - 
Providing native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd 
 * BackupPC - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699441 (ASSIGNED) - 
Providing native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd 
 * NetworkManager - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714702 (NEW) - 
Legacy SysV initscript file must go into an optional subpackage. 
 * NetworkManager - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=716904 (NEW) - 
Legacy SysV initscript file must go into an optional subpackage. 
 * Pound - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=720448 (NEW) - Provide 
native systemd unit file 
 * aiccu - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=656886 (NEW) - provide 
native aiccu.service systemd file 
 * am-utils - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658116 (NEW) - 
Providing native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd 
 * amavisd-new - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695589 (NEW) - 
Providing native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd 
 * amavisd-new - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695597 (NEW) - 
Providing native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd 
 * apmd - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=716970 (NEW) - Provide 
native systemd unit file 
 * apt - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699293 (NEW) - Providing 
native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd 
 * argus - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699292 (NEW) - Providing 
native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd 
 * arm4 - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699289 (NEW) - Providing 
native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd 
 * at - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714642 (NEW) - Legacy SysV 
initscript file must go into an optional subpackage. 
 * audit - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617321 (NEW) - Providing 
native systemd file for upcoming F14 Feature Systemd 
 * autofs - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718701 (NEW) - Provide 
native systemd unit file 
 * avahi - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714649 (NEW) - Legacy 
SysV initscript file must go into an optional subpackage. 
 * bacula - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=657216 (NEW) - Providing 
native systemd file for upcoming F15 Feature Systemd 
 * bind - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719419 

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Aurimas Černius
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Hi all,

 Orphan gtranslator
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I'm interested in this application.
If co-maintainer does not take it, I'd like to take it over.
I'm not yet a Fedora package maintainer, only have proposed a couple of
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[Bug 720744] Rebuild required to work correctly with perl 5.12.4

2011-07-13 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2011-07-13 
15:27:34 EDT ---
Package perl-Devel-Cover-0.78-1.fc15:
* should fix your issue,
* was pushed to the Fedora 15 testing repository,
* should be available at your local mirror within two days.
Update it with:
# su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing perl-Devel-Cover-0.78-1.fc15'
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[dspam/f15] start as dspam user

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
commit 9424dcf0793d78e198c379aa8aac31d9685b17ba
Author: Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca
Date:   Wed Jul 13 13:28:54 2011 -0600

start as dspam user

 dspam-init.d|   13 ++---
 dspam-sysconfig |3 ++-
 dspam.spec  |5 -
 3 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/dspam-init.d b/dspam-init.d
index 8b331b0..eae9f75 100644
--- a/dspam-init.d
+++ b/dspam-init.d
@@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/dspam ] ; then
 . /etc/sysconfig/dspam
 else
 DSPAM_BIN=/usr/bin/dspam
+DSPAM_USER=dspam
 fi
 
 # Check that networking is up.
@@ -36,13 +37,11 @@ start() {
 if [ -f /var/lock/subsys/dspam ]; then
 RETVAL=0
 else
-${DSPAM_BIN} --daemon  2/dev/null
-RETVAL=$?
-if [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ]; then
-echo_success
-else
-echo_failure
-fi
+daemon --check ${DSPAM_BIN} --user ${DSPAM_USER} ${DSPAM_BIN} --daemon 
2/dev/null
+
+sleep 1
+
+status ${prog}  /dev/null  echo_success || echo_failure
 fi
 echo
 [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ]  touch /var/lock/subsys/dspam
diff --git a/dspam-sysconfig b/dspam-sysconfig
index 986b490..dbe961a 100644
--- a/dspam-sysconfig
+++ b/dspam-sysconfig
@@ -1,2 +1,3 @@
 # Location of dspam binary
-DSPAM_BIN=/usr/bin/dspam
\ No newline at end of file
+DSPAM_BIN=/usr/bin/dspam
+DSPAM_USER=dspam
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/dspam.spec b/dspam.spec
index ff464c6..93255a3 100644
--- a/dspam.spec
+++ b/dspam.spec
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
 Summary:A library and Mail Delivery Agent for Bayesian SPAM 
filtering
 Name:   dspam
 Version:3.9.0
-Release:20%{?dist}
+Release:21%{?dist}
 License:GPLv2
 Group:  System Environment/Daemons
 Source0:
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/%{name}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
@@ -376,6 +376,9 @@ exit 0
 %config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/httpd/conf.d/dspam-web.conf
 
 %changelog
+* Wed July 13 2011 Nathanael Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca - 3.9.0-21
+- Start daemon as dspam user
+
 * Wed May 25 2011 Nathanael Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca - 3.9.0-20
 - add tmpfile for /var/run/dspam
 - remove rpaths that suddenly show up in F15
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[dspam/f14] (5 commits) ...Merge branch 'f15' into f14

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
Summary of changes:

  d28a6b7... remove configure patch since bash is fixed (*)
  345c5db... rebuilt for libmysqlclient soname bump (*)
  18bcc05... added tmpfiles  rpath fix (*)
  9424dcf... start as dspam user (*)
  bda6641... Merge branch 'f15' into f14

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[dspam/f14: 5/5] Merge branch 'f15' into f14

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
commit bda66417ac5ea90bd6ce2978735dfdef02842826
Merge: df00717 9424dcf
Author: Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca
Date:   Wed Jul 13 13:29:53 2011 -0600

Merge branch 'f15' into f14

 dspam-3.9.0-configure.patch |  194 ---
 dspam-init.d|   13 ++--
 dspam-sysconfig |3 +-
 dspam-tmpfiles  |1 +
 dspam.spec  |   26 +-
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[Bug 720295] perlbrew-0.27 is available

2011-07-13 Thread bugzilla
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Package perlbrew-0.27-1.fc15:
* should fix your issue,
* was pushed to the Fedora 15 testing repository,
* should be available at your local mirror within two days.
Update it with:
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[dspam/el6] (5 commits) ...Merge branch 'f15' into el6

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
Summary of changes:

  d28a6b7... remove configure patch since bash is fixed (*)
  345c5db... rebuilt for libmysqlclient soname bump (*)
  18bcc05... added tmpfiles  rpath fix (*)
  9424dcf... start as dspam user (*)
  3327938... Merge branch 'f15' into el6

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[dspam/el6: 5/5] Merge branch 'f15' into el6

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
commit 33279386edb873e3b21f95c295a230245dca45b3
Merge: 6b8829c 9424dcf
Author: Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca
Date:   Wed Jul 13 13:30:44 2011 -0600

Merge branch 'f15' into el6

 dspam-3.9.0-configure.patch |  194 ---
 dspam-init.d|   13 ++--
 dspam-sysconfig |3 +-
 dspam-tmpfiles  |1 +
 dspam.spec  |   26 +-
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Re: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread Björn Persson
Przemek Klosowski wrote:
 Doing manual tweaking on many machines is not fun

That's when you bring out Kickstart I believe.

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[dspam/el5] (2 commits) ...Merge branch 'f15' into el5

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
Summary of changes:

  8af1ab0... fix changelog date
  32229ad... Merge branch 'f15' into el5
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[dspam/el5: 1/2] fix changelog date

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
commit 8af1ab0019b6c29f3c49a366aec325621c2d8432
Author: Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca
Date:   Wed Jul 13 13:47:56 2011 -0600

fix changelog date

 dspam.spec |2 +-
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/dspam.spec b/dspam.spec
index 93255a3..327195e 100644
--- a/dspam.spec
+++ b/dspam.spec
@@ -376,7 +376,7 @@ exit 0
 %config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/httpd/conf.d/dspam-web.conf
 
 %changelog
-* Wed July 13 2011 Nathanael Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca - 3.9.0-21
+* Wed Jul 13 2011 Nathanael Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca - 3.9.0-21
 - Start daemon as dspam user
 
 * Wed May 25 2011 Nathanael Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca - 3.9.0-20
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[dspam/el5: 2/2] Merge branch 'f15' into el5

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
commit 32229ad7abd5a4ddc6b750dbd54b68ce5bdb2970
Merge: dcc8ee4 8af1ab0
Author: Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca
Date:   Wed Jul 13 13:51:16 2011 -0600

Merge branch 'f15' into el5

 dspam.spec |2 +-
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[dspam/el6] (2 commits) ...Merge branch 'f15' into el6

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
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  8af1ab0... fix changelog date (*)
  46b8530... Merge branch 'f15' into el6

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[dspam/el6: 2/2] Merge branch 'f15' into el6

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
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Merge: 3327938 8af1ab0
Author: Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca
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Merge branch 'f15' into el6

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[dspam/f14] (2 commits) ...Merge branch 'f15' into f14

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
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  8af1ab0... fix changelog date (*)
  8529418... Merge branch 'f15' into f14

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[dspam/f14: 2/2] Merge branch 'f15' into f14

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
commit 8529418be37c3a202b472854aa24630137b6fcf1
Merge: bda6641 8af1ab0
Author: Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca
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Merge branch 'f15' into f14

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[dspam/f15] fix changelog date

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[dspam] fix changelog date

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Re: systemd: Is it wrong? - wrong order

2011-07-13 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 07:50:58PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
 On Mon, 11.07.11 13:20, Steve Dickson (ste...@redhat.com) wrote:
  they are handling the systemd conversation... What other 
  distro are planing to use it?  
 
 I lost track of this a bit, but MeeGo already switched, and Mandriva did
 too afair. OpenSUSE will switch in the coming release.

+ next Mageia will have it (version 2)

 Gentoo, Debian, Arch have it in the disro, but not default.

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BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Manuel Escudero
Today I'll be switching from BTRFS to Ext4 again because of the troubles
I've been having with
the New Linux Filesystem. As BTRFS is going to be the Default in F16 I
wanted the developers to
know what kind of troubles I've been experiencing with this FS in F15 so
they can take a look
at them in order to have a better F16 release:

The Good:

Since BTRFS arrived into my computer (Everything in the HDD is formated with
BTRFS excluding /boot)
I've seen a performance improvement in the data transfer part from and to
the computer (copying files seem to
be faster than before) But that's all about the good things I noticed...

The Bad:

BTRFS has reduced system's overall performance, at this point, sometimes it
is OK, sometimes it is
VERY BAD, I've noticed Performance Peaks in F15 with BTRFS and the Boot
times are not nice: I mean,
they are not the slowest ones, but they're not as good as Before in F14 with
Ext4 instead of BTRFS.

The performance Running/Launching apps has been afected too and now the PC
freezes sometimes (that never
happened in F14 unless I forced it a lot with 4 VM's to suck the 4GB of RAM
I have); And Now it freezes
very often when it wants without a lot of effort.

The Ugly:

Running VM's when having their virtual HDD's stored in a BTRFS partition is
DEATH!
They're very slow, sometimes they open, sometimes they not, usually they
freeze, You can't
work with them. Same thing about Gnome Shell working over a BTRFS partition:
it is really slow,
sometimes it reacts but most of the time is pretty unresponsive.

Reading in the Web, I found that some users think that the BTRFS poor
performance is caused by some
special kind of fragmentation it suffers, others think it's because of it's
CopyonWrite attributes and some
others blame other stuff, God Knows! the only thing I know is that BTRFS is
not ready for being
used in normal production machines (as I tought) and it needs to be fixed
before the release of F16, because it's
performance is really far from good...

Other Stuff I noticed is that with Kernel 2.6.38.8-35 the system seems to
work better that with the previous one,
just a little, but is some kind of improvement.

Here you have all the info I found on the net about BTRFS Performance
issues noticed by users:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127

http://arosenfeld.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/back-to-ext4-from-btrfs/

http://www.vyatta4people.org/btrfs-is-a-bad-choice-when-running-kvm/

http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/7/13/475

http://blog.patshead.com/2011/03/btrfs---six-months-later.html

I only have a question:

Why Any Kind of VM is Sooo Slow when being stored on a BTRFS
partition? Any Way to Solve this? or at least have a BTRFS performance
improvement?

Thanks! Hope this mail help the Developers improving the new FS.

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Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Josef Bacik
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Manuel Escudero jmlev...@gmail.com wrote:
 Today I'll be switching from BTRFS to Ext4 again because of the troubles
 I've been having with
 the New Linux Filesystem. As BTRFS is going to be the Default in F16 I
 wanted the developers to
 know what kind of troubles I've been experiencing with this FS in F15 so
 they can take a look
 at them in order to have a better F16 release:
 The Good:
 Since BTRFS arrived into my computer (Everything in the HDD is formated with
 BTRFS excluding /boot)
 I've seen a performance improvement in the data transfer part from and to
 the computer (copying files seem to
 be faster than before) But that's all about the good things I noticed...
 The Bad:
 BTRFS has reduced system's overall performance, at this point, sometimes it
 is OK, sometimes it is
 VERY BAD, I've noticed Performance Peaks in F15 with BTRFS and the Boot
 times are not nice: I mean,
 they are not the slowest ones, but they're not as good as Before in F14 with
 Ext4 instead of BTRFS.
 The performance Running/Launching apps has been afected too and now the PC
 freezes sometimes (that never
 happened in F14 unless I forced it a lot with 4 VM's to suck the 4GB of RAM
 I have); And Now it freezes
 very often when it wants without a lot of effort.
 The Ugly:
 Running VM's when having their virtual HDD's stored in a BTRFS partition is
 DEATH!
 They're very slow, sometimes they open, sometimes they not, usually they
 freeze, You can't
 work with them. Same thing about Gnome Shell working over a BTRFS partition:
 it is really slow,
 sometimes it reacts but most of the time is pretty unresponsive.
 Reading in the Web, I found that some users think that the BTRFS poor
 performance is caused by some
 special kind of fragmentation it suffers, others think it's because of it's
 CopyonWrite attributes and some
 others blame other stuff, God Knows! the only thing I know is that BTRFS is
 not ready for being
 used in normal production machines (as I tought) and it needs to be fixed
 before the release of F16, because it's
 performance is really far from good...
 Other Stuff I noticed is that with Kernel 2.6.38.8-35 the system seems to
 work better that with the previous one,
 just a little, but is some kind of improvement.
 Here you have all the info I found on the net about BTRFS Performance
 issues noticed by users:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127
 http://arosenfeld.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/back-to-ext4-from-btrfs/
 http://www.vyatta4people.org/btrfs-is-a-bad-choice-when-running-kvm/
 http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/7/13/475
 http://blog.patshead.com/2011/03/btrfs---six-months-later.html
 I only have a question:
 Why Any Kind of VM is Sooo Slow when being stored on a BTRFS
 partition? Any Way to Solve this? or at least have a BTRFS performance
 improvement?

Yeah VMs are a particular problem with Btrfs.  There are a ton of
reasons for this, for example by default we use fsync.  Fsync _sucks_
for btrfs currently, and it has historically not been a well optimized
piece of code.  I'm working on fixing this, but it requires VFS level
changes that are currently sitting in Al's queue.  I suspect they will
go into 3.1 and so we can move ahead with our work, but for now, it
sucks.  You can use cache=none you get better performance, but still
not that great.  And this is all because of one major thing

Btrfs has threads for _everything_.  This works out fantastically when
you have big chunks of reads or writes you want done.  This _sucks_
when you are doing little piddly io's.  The reason for all of this is
because we don't want you to get bottlenecked on us
calculating/verifying checksums, so we farm all IO and endio out to
different threads, which as I said works out great if you are trying
to cram gigs of data down your drives throat.

But with VMs you are doing small scattered IO's, so the IO comes down,
we prepare it, and farm it off to a thread and wait for that thread to
wake up and submit the io.  Then the io is completed and that is
farmed off to another thread and we wait on that.  This switching
around and waiting for things to wake up is hugely painful when all
you want to do is write a few bytes.  If you were to do

dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/btrfs/file bs=4k count=100 oflag=direct

on a btrfs fs and then do it on an ext4 fs, you would see about a 20%
difference between the 2.  But if you do say bs=20M, the gap closes
quite a bit.

I fixed part of this problem for O_DIRECT (which is cache=none with
qemu), if the IO's are small we don't send it off to a thread but
submit it within our threads context, which is what got us with 20% of
ext4 as opposed to 50%.  The other half is doing the completion in the
submitters context, which is going to take some extra work.  I'm
fixing this in the fsync case as well, but as I said we need a VFS
patch to do it properly so that will be a little later coming.  After
that I can do the endio part of it and hopefully get us within
spitting 

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Manuel Escudero
2011/7/13 Josef Bacik jo...@toxicpanda.com

 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Manuel Escudero jmlev...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Today I'll be switching from BTRFS to Ext4 again because of the troubles
  I've been having with
  the New Linux Filesystem. As BTRFS is going to be the Default in F16 I
  wanted the developers to
  know what kind of troubles I've been experiencing with this FS in F15 so
  they can take a look
  at them in order to have a better F16 release:
  The Good:
  Since BTRFS arrived into my computer (Everything in the HDD is formated
 with
  BTRFS excluding /boot)
  I've seen a performance improvement in the data transfer part from and to
  the computer (copying files seem to
  be faster than before) But that's all about the good things I noticed...
  The Bad:
  BTRFS has reduced system's overall performance, at this point, sometimes
 it
  is OK, sometimes it is
  VERY BAD, I've noticed Performance Peaks in F15 with BTRFS and the Boot
  times are not nice: I mean,
  they are not the slowest ones, but they're not as good as Before in F14
 with
  Ext4 instead of BTRFS.
  The performance Running/Launching apps has been afected too and now the
 PC
  freezes sometimes (that never
  happened in F14 unless I forced it a lot with 4 VM's to suck the 4GB of
 RAM
  I have); And Now it freezes
  very often when it wants without a lot of effort.
  The Ugly:
  Running VM's when having their virtual HDD's stored in a BTRFS partition
 is
  DEATH!
  They're very slow, sometimes they open, sometimes they not, usually they
  freeze, You can't
  work with them. Same thing about Gnome Shell working over a BTRFS
 partition:
  it is really slow,
  sometimes it reacts but most of the time is pretty unresponsive.
  Reading in the Web, I found that some users think that the BTRFS poor
  performance is caused by some
  special kind of fragmentation it suffers, others think it's because of
 it's
  CopyonWrite attributes and some
  others blame other stuff, God Knows! the only thing I know is that BTRFS
 is
  not ready for being
  used in normal production machines (as I tought) and it needs to be fixed
  before the release of F16, because it's
  performance is really far from good...
  Other Stuff I noticed is that with Kernel 2.6.38.8-35 the system seems to
  work better that with the previous one,
  just a little, but is some kind of improvement.
  Here you have all the info I found on the net about BTRFS Performance
  issues noticed by users:
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127
  http://arosenfeld.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/back-to-ext4-from-btrfs/
  http://www.vyatta4people.org/btrfs-is-a-bad-choice-when-running-kvm/
  http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/7/13/475
  http://blog.patshead.com/2011/03/btrfs---six-months-later.html
  I only have a question:
  Why Any Kind of VM is Sooo Slow when being stored on a BTRFS
  partition? Any Way to Solve this? or at least have a BTRFS performance
  improvement?

 Yeah VMs are a particular problem with Btrfs.  There are a ton of
 reasons for this, for example by default we use fsync.  Fsync _sucks_
 for btrfs currently, and it has historically not been a well optimized
 piece of code.  I'm working on fixing this, but it requires VFS level
 changes that are currently sitting in Al's queue.  I suspect they will
 go into 3.1 and so we can move ahead with our work, but for now, it
 sucks.  You can use cache=none you get better performance, but still
 not that great.  And this is all because of one major thing

 Btrfs has threads for _everything_.  This works out fantastically when
 you have big chunks of reads or writes you want done.  This _sucks_
 when you are doing little piddly io's.  The reason for all of this is
 because we don't want you to get bottlenecked on us
 calculating/verifying checksums, so we farm all IO and endio out to
 different threads, which as I said works out great if you are trying
 to cram gigs of data down your drives throat.

 But with VMs you are doing small scattered IO's, so the IO comes down,
 we prepare it, and farm it off to a thread and wait for that thread to
 wake up and submit the io.  Then the io is completed and that is
 farmed off to another thread and we wait on that.  This switching
 around and waiting for things to wake up is hugely painful when all
 you want to do is write a few bytes.  If you were to do

 dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/btrfs/file bs=4k count=100 oflag=direct

 on a btrfs fs and then do it on an ext4 fs, you would see about a 20%
 difference between the 2.  But if you do say bs=20M, the gap closes
 quite a bit.

 I fixed part of this problem for O_DIRECT (which is cache=none with
 qemu), if the IO's are small we don't send it off to a thread but
 submit it within our threads context, which is what got us with 20% of
 ext4 as opposed to 50%.  The other half is doing the completion in the
 submitters context, which is going to take some extra work.  I'm
 fixing this in the fsync case as well, but as I said we need a VFS
 

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Farkas Levente
On 07/13/2011 11:14 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Manuel Escudero jmlev...@gmail.com wrote:
 Today I'll be switching from BTRFS to Ext4 again because of the troubles
 I've been having with
 the New Linux Filesystem. As BTRFS is going to be the Default in F16 I
 wanted the developers to
 know what kind of troubles I've been experiencing with this FS in F15 so
 they can take a look
 at them in order to have a better F16 release:
 The Good:
 Since BTRFS arrived into my computer (Everything in the HDD is formated with
 BTRFS excluding /boot)
 I've seen a performance improvement in the data transfer part from and to
 the computer (copying files seem to
 be faster than before) But that's all about the good things I noticed...
 The Bad:
 BTRFS has reduced system's overall performance, at this point, sometimes it
 is OK, sometimes it is
 VERY BAD, I've noticed Performance Peaks in F15 with BTRFS and the Boot
 times are not nice: I mean,
 they are not the slowest ones, but they're not as good as Before in F14 with
 Ext4 instead of BTRFS.
 The performance Running/Launching apps has been afected too and now the PC
 freezes sometimes (that never
 happened in F14 unless I forced it a lot with 4 VM's to suck the 4GB of RAM
 I have); And Now it freezes
 very often when it wants without a lot of effort.
 The Ugly:
 Running VM's when having their virtual HDD's stored in a BTRFS partition is
 DEATH!
 They're very slow, sometimes they open, sometimes they not, usually they
 freeze, You can't
 work with them. Same thing about Gnome Shell working over a BTRFS partition:
 it is really slow,
 sometimes it reacts but most of the time is pretty unresponsive.
 Reading in the Web, I found that some users think that the BTRFS poor
 performance is caused by some
 special kind of fragmentation it suffers, others think it's because of it's
 CopyonWrite attributes and some
 others blame other stuff, God Knows! the only thing I know is that BTRFS is
 not ready for being
 used in normal production machines (as I tought) and it needs to be fixed
 before the release of F16, because it's
 performance is really far from good...
 Other Stuff I noticed is that with Kernel 2.6.38.8-35 the system seems to
 work better that with the previous one,
 just a little, but is some kind of improvement.
 Here you have all the info I found on the net about BTRFS Performance
 issues noticed by users:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127
 http://arosenfeld.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/back-to-ext4-from-btrfs/
 http://www.vyatta4people.org/btrfs-is-a-bad-choice-when-running-kvm/
 http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/7/13/475
 http://blog.patshead.com/2011/03/btrfs---six-months-later.html
 I only have a question:
 Why Any Kind of VM is Sooo Slow when being stored on a BTRFS
 partition? Any Way to Solve this? or at least have a BTRFS performance
 improvement?
 
 Yeah VMs are a particular problem with Btrfs.  There are a ton of
 reasons for this, for example by default we use fsync.  Fsync _sucks_
 for btrfs currently, and it has historically not been a well optimized
 piece of code.  I'm working on fixing this, but it requires VFS level
 changes that are currently sitting in Al's queue.  I suspect they will
 go into 3.1 and so we can move ahead with our work, but for now, it
 sucks.  You can use cache=none you get better performance, but still
 not that great.  And this is all because of one major thing
 
 Btrfs has threads for _everything_.  This works out fantastically when
 you have big chunks of reads or writes you want done.  This _sucks_
 when you are doing little piddly io's.  The reason for all of this is
 because we don't want you to get bottlenecked on us
 calculating/verifying checksums, so we farm all IO and endio out to
 different threads, which as I said works out great if you are trying
 to cram gigs of data down your drives throat.
 
 But with VMs you are doing small scattered IO's, so the IO comes down,
 we prepare it, and farm it off to a thread and wait for that thread to
 wake up and submit the io.  Then the io is completed and that is
 farmed off to another thread and we wait on that.  This switching
 around and waiting for things to wake up is hugely painful when all
 you want to do is write a few bytes.  If you were to do
 
 dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/btrfs/file bs=4k count=100 oflag=direct
 
 on a btrfs fs and then do it on an ext4 fs, you would see about a 20%
 difference between the 2.  But if you do say bs=20M, the gap closes
 quite a bit.
 
 I fixed part of this problem for O_DIRECT (which is cache=none with
 qemu), if the IO's are small we don't send it off to a thread but
 submit it within our threads context, which is what got us with 20% of
 ext4 as opposed to 50%.  The other half is doing the completion in the
 submitters context, which is going to take some extra work.  I'm
 fixing this in the fsync case as well, but as I said we need a VFS
 patch to do it properly so that will be a little later coming.  

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Farkas Levente wrote:
 if you said that this's the current state of btrfs than it's not ready
 as a default fs for f16. so please postpone it at least to f17.

If f16 gets kernel 3.1 (or backported stuff into 3.0), IMHO there is no 
reason to slip it one release.
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Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 16:54:44 -0500,
  Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:
 Farkas Levente wrote:
  if you said that this's the current state of btrfs than it's not ready
  as a default fs for f16. so please postpone it at least to f17.
 
 If f16 gets kernel 3.1 (or backported stuff into 3.0), IMHO there is no 
 reason to slip it one release.

It's very likely that F16 will get 3.1. 3.2 probably won't be ready in
time. 3.0 is likely going to be out within a week. 3.1 should be ready
in plenty of time to be safe for F16.
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Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2011 23:51, schrieb Farkas Levente:
 So there's my long ass explanation of why VMs on Btrfs suck.  I'm
 sorry, I'm aware of the problem and I'm trying to fix it, but it's a
 slow going process.
 
 if you said that this's the current state of btrfs than it's not ready
 as a default fs for f16. so please postpone it at least to f17

+1

bleeeding edge / modern technology is not the same as dangerous defaults
unstable / unfinsihed packages should never be default in GA nor replace
existing and over a long time well working things - never!



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Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 13.07.2011 23:54, schrieb Michael Cronenworth:
 Farkas Levente wrote:
 if you said that this's the current state of btrfs than it's not ready
 as a default fs for f16. so please postpone it at least to f17.
 
 If f16 gets kernel 3.1 (or backported stuff into 3.0), IMHO there is no 
 reason to slip it one release

there are many reasons!

replacing an essential part of the OS as filesystems are with
finally not well tested piece of new software is simply a
dangerous game with no benefit

hopefully stable at release is my definition of untested

the normal users have not enough knowledge to chagnge the
defaults and they are primary for them and advanced users
which konwig what they do can select it on install time




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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-13 Thread Daniel Veillard
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:26:25AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 06:06:37PM +0800, Daniel Veillard wrote:
  On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 05:10:01PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
   Each release, before branching, we block currently orphaned packages.
   It's that time again for Fedora 16.
   
   New this go-round is that we are also blocking packages that have
   failed to build since before Fedora 14.
   
   The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If
   you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up.
   
   This list has been fixed to properly show all orphaned packages. It's
   a lot longer.
  [...]
   Orphan libcmpiutil
 comaintained by: veillard
  [...]
   Orphan libvirt-cim
 comaintained by: veillard
  
I sent a mail to this very list one week ago:
  
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:07:57 +0800
From: Daniel Veillard veill...@redhat.com
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Taking ownership of libcmpiutil and libvirt-cim
  
  to avoid them being retired, never got an answer.
  At the time visiting
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/libcmpiutil
  didn't show any option to take ownership, was that a temporary
  failure, I'm sure I checked and was logged in, weird ...
  
 Sorta.  These packages were orphaned due to the maintainer not signing the
 FPCA.  When that script was run, I failed to properly set the status to
 Orphaned which left you unable to take ownership.  Sorry for missing your
 earlier email about the problem and thanks for taking them now!

  Ah, okay, there is an explanation, I was a bit puzzled to not see
the take ownership button though it was owned by orphan, I was
thinking the feature wasn't available anymore.

  thanks !

Daniel


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Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Josef Bacik
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


 Am 13.07.2011 23:54, schrieb Michael Cronenworth:
 Farkas Levente wrote:
 if you said that this's the current state of btrfs than it's not ready
 as a default fs for f16. so please postpone it at least to f17.

 If f16 gets kernel 3.1 (or backported stuff into 3.0), IMHO there is no
 reason to slip it one release

 there are many reasons!

 replacing an essential part of the OS as filesystems are with
 finally not well tested piece of new software is simply a
 dangerous game with no benefit

 hopefully stable at release is my definition of untested


That's not the case at all, I'm not sure where you are getting that.
If we don't have a released offline fsck by Alpha, which IIRC is the
beginning of August we're not even going to make the switch.  We
aren't aiming for hopefully stable, we're aiming for actually stable
and reasonably safe.  If we don't meet certain basic requirements no
switch will be made and everything will carry on as normal.

I'm not trying to shove Btrfs down peoples throats.  The last thing I
want is to switch over to Btrfs before it's fully ready for everybody
to be using it, which is why there are a bunch of requirements that
need to be met before the switch is actually met.  Thanks,

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Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/13/11 4:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
 Am 13.07.2011 23:51, schrieb Farkas Levente:
 So there's my long ass explanation of why VMs on Btrfs suck.  I'm
 sorry, I'm aware of the problem and I'm trying to fix it, but it's a
 slow going process.

 if you said that this's the current state of btrfs than it's not ready
 as a default fs for f16. so please postpone it at least to f17
 
 +1
 
 bleeeding edge / modern technology is not the same as dangerous defaults
 unstable / unfinsihed packages should never be default in GA nor replace
 existing and over a long time well working things - never!

You might have said the same thing about ext4 in Fwhatever it was
and yet, here we are, shipping it as default for many releases now, with
little trouble.

Not every big change to Fedora breaks badly, although I can see how some
might get that impression.   ;)

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Askbot status update and a call for help

2011-07-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

As discussed in this list earlier,  I along with several others (see
wiki page for details)  have been working on packaging Askbot
(http://askbot.org) and its
dependencies for Fedora (and EPEL).  Askbot is a question and answer
oriented forum along the lines of Stack Overflow and I would like to see
a instance of it hosted and run within the Fedora infrastructure.

You can find more detailed information about this at

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Askbot

You can help by testing it and providing feedback. We have made good
progress by reviewing and approving several dependencies and building
them for both Fedora and EPEL 6. Askbot is written in Django and Python.
 To provide a good experience and integration with Fedora, we would like
to add several new features to it.

For instance,  PJP has already added support for logging in using the
Fedora account system id (upstream made authentication extensible to
support us)  and we are planning on adding support for logging using
identi.ca and quickly posting a question link to identi.ca (support for
Twitter already exists upstream).  There are several more features I
would like to see added.  The primary upstream developer is quite
receptive and has already added some features and fixed bugs we pointed
out. So if you are familiar with Django and Python, do let me know.
Many of these features are fairly easy to add.  I am available in
#fedora-devel and  #fedora-india as mether or you can also drop me a
mail offlist.

Upstream source is at

https://github.com/ASKBOT/askbot-devel/

Also Askbot can be installed via pip or easy_install and a test
repository for RHEL 6 (and rebuilds) is at

http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/pjp/askbot/

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Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-13 Thread Manuel Escudero
2011/7/13 Eric Sandeen sand...@redhat.com

 On 7/13/11 4:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
  Am 13.07.2011 23:51, schrieb Farkas Levente:
  So there's my long ass explanation of why VMs on Btrfs suck.  I'm
  sorry, I'm aware of the problem and I'm trying to fix it, but it's a
  slow going process.
 
  if you said that this's the current state of btrfs than it's not ready
  as a default fs for f16. so please postpone it at least to f17
 
  +1
 
  bleeeding edge / modern technology is not the same as dangerous defaults
  unstable / unfinsihed packages should never be default in GA nor replace
  existing and over a long time well working things - never!

 You might have said the same thing about ext4 in Fwhatever it was
 and yet, here we are, shipping it as default for many releases now, with
 little trouble.

 Not every big change to Fedora breaks badly, although I can see how some
 might get that impression.   ;)

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Josef Couldn't say it better:

Let's not be dramatic... I'm pretty sure Fedora Developers are not going to
make the Switch to BTRFS in F16 if it's not ready, that's why I sen't my
feedback
and little investigation, in order to help them track down the issues before
anything
gets released, that's why we work as community and I'm pretty sure that
everything is
gonna be Okey.

P.S. Now I'm in ext4, almost finished reinstalling my system ;)

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Re: New feature for Fedora 16: new mkdumprd

2011-07-13 Thread Américo Wang
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 03:50:07PM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
   Would any of you kindly help to review my proposed feature
   for Fedora 16?
  
   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewMkdumprd
 
   Feature proposal dealing was yesterday?

  deadline, of course.


Am I too late? I made the page before the deadline, just sent
it out a little late. :-/
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Status of startup-notifications

2011-07-13 Thread Johannes Lips
Hi,

I recently found that startup-notification is quite old in fedora and 
filed a bug to update to the recent upstream version. [1]
So far I didn't get any feedback and would like to ask if someone of 
those [2] who also have commit on this package could update it or 
explain what the reason for this old version is.

Thanks

Johannes


[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718501
[2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/startup-notification

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[perl-Sys-Virt] Update to 0.9.3 release

2011-07-13 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
commit a47da9915e25eb82fa08613188ee6fc22867f5ed
Author: Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com
Date:   Wed Jul 13 10:32:40 2011 +0100

Update to 0.9.3 release

 perl-Sys-Virt.spec |7 +--
 sources|2 +-
 2 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Sys-Virt.spec b/perl-Sys-Virt.spec
index 25cd23a..ac4cb11 100644
--- a/perl-Sys-Virt.spec
+++ b/perl-Sys-Virt.spec
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 Name:   perl-Sys-Virt
-Version:0.9.2
+Version:0.9.3
 Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Represent and manage a libvirt hypervisor connection
 License:GPLv2+ or Artistic
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod::Coverage)
 BuildRequires:  perl(XML::XPath)
-BuildRequires:  libvirt-devel = 0.9.2
+BuildRequires:  libvirt-devel = 0.9.3
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
 %description
@@ -55,6 +55,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Tue Jul 12 2011 Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com - 0.9.3-1
+- Update to 0.9.3 release
+
 * Fri Jul  8 2011 Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com - 0.9.2-1
 - Update to 0.9.2 release
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 5100e2e..864fdbc 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-7dbf47975e43a6debce21ca8034fa0ab  Sys-Virt-0.9.2.tar.gz
+2a9eef6c9ee8f73b26cd5fb78a18d391  Sys-Virt-0.9.3.tar.gz
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2011-07-13 Thread Luis Enrique Bazán De León
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Term-Animation:

d22643b339495cfc0a4f0b405dbae1d1  Term-Animation-2.6.tar.gz
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[perl-Pod-Eventual] drop circular Pod::Coverage::TrustPod buildreq

2011-07-13 Thread Iain Arnell
commit f4bcffec4ed2f637694d8fd47f36b4caa7314d0c
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date:   Wed Jul 13 17:16:46 2011 +0200

drop circular Pod::Coverage::TrustPod buildreq

 perl-Pod-Eventual.spec |   13 +
 1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Pod-Eventual.spec b/perl-Pod-Eventual.spec
index cb528c8..c86c7dc 100644
--- a/perl-Pod-Eventual.spec
+++ b/perl-Pod-Eventual.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Pod-Eventual
 Version:0.093330
-Release:5%{?dist}
+Release:6%{?dist}
 Summary:Read a POD document as a series of trivial events
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -13,8 +13,9 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(Mixin::Linewise::Readers) = 0.001
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Deep)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod)
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod::Coverage)
-BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Coverage::TrustPod)
+#BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod::Coverage)
+# causes circular builddeps
+#BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Coverage::TrustPod)
 
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
@@ -54,7 +55,7 @@ find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 
2/dev/null \;
 %{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/*
 
 %check
-RELEASE_TESTING=1 make test
+make test
 
 %clean
 rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
@@ -66,6 +67,10 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Wed Jul 13 2011 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.093330-6
+- drop circular Pod::Coverage::TrustPod buildreq
+- don't run release tests
+
 * Tue Feb 08 2011 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 0.093330-5
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Mass_Rebuild
 
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[perl-Term-Animation/f15] perl-Term-Animation

2011-07-13 Thread Luis Enrique Bazán De León
Summary of changes:

  1ff33e7... perl-Term-Animation (*)

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[perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session] drop circular build deps

2011-07-13 Thread Iain Arnell
commit e046513ecef896ddc6cd430f3ee2506be582dfaa
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date:   Wed Jul 13 18:02:27 2011 +0200

drop circular build deps

 perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec |   10 +++---
 1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec 
b/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec
index ca5188a..903a5bf 100644
--- a/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec
+++ b/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 Name:   perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session
 Summary:Catalyst generic session plugin
 Version:0.31
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/B/BO/BOBTFISH/Catalyst-Plugin-Session-%{version}.tar.gz
 
@@ -10,7 +10,6 @@ Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} 
-V:version`; echo $versi
 BuildArch:  noarch
 
 BuildRequires:  perl(Catalyst::Runtime) = 5.71001
-BuildRequires:  perl(Catalyst::Plugin::Session::State::Cookie) = 0.03
 BuildRequires:  perl(Digest)
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) = 6.42
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Spec)
@@ -24,8 +23,10 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Deep)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Exception)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More) = 0.88
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod)
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::WWW::Mechanize::Catalyst) = 0.51
 BuildRequires:  perl(Tie::RefHash) = 1.34
+# these cause circular builddeps
+#BuildRequires:  perl(Catalyst::Plugin::Session::State::Cookie) = 0.03
+#BuildRequires:  perl(Test::WWW::Mechanize::Catalyst) = 0.51
 
 Requires:   perl(Catalyst::Runtime) = 5.71001
 Requires:   perl(Digest)
@@ -81,6 +82,9 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Wed Jul 13 2011 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.31-2
+- drop additional BRs again - they cause circular build deps
+
 * Sun Mar 13 2011 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.31-1
 - update to latest upstream version
 - clean up spec for modern rpmbuild
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[dspam/el5] (18 commits) ...Merge branch 'el6' into el5

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
Summary of changes:

  a1d1ee3... inital F-12 import (*)
  d9fa18f... updated dspam cron file (*)
  33e7cf3... fixed initscript ordering bug (*)
  42bd353... Initialize branch EL-6 for dspam (*)
  4c6472b... data dir permissions (*)
  db043f1... dist-git conversion (*)
  82a2e8d... Merge remote branch 'origin/master' into el6/master (*)
  45fc273... Merge remote branch 'origin/master' into el6/master (*)
  0ebdcd2... Merge remote branch 'origin/master' into el6/master (*)
  cdc77fe... Merge remote branch 'origin/master' into el6/master (*)
  34dccaa... Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into el6 (*)
  6b8829c... Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into el6 (*)
  d28a6b7... remove configure patch since bash is fixed (*)
  345c5db... rebuilt for libmysqlclient soname bump (*)
  18bcc05... added tmpfiles  rpath fix (*)
  9424dcf... start as dspam user (*)
  3327938... Merge branch 'f15' into el6 (*)
  dcc8ee4... Merge branch 'el6' into el5

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[dspam/el5: 18/18] Merge branch 'el6' into el5

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
commit dcc8ee4e7652dbe391274e627a50fc6eff8f6da7
Merge: 86ab539 3327938
Author: Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca
Date:   Wed Jul 13 13:31:31 2011 -0600

Merge branch 'el6' into el5

 dspam-3.9.0-configure.patch |  194 ---
 dspam-init.d|   13 ++--
 dspam-sysconfig |3 +-
 dspam-tmpfiles  |1 +
 dspam.spec  |   30 ++--
 5 files changed, 33 insertions(+), 208 deletions(-)
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[dspam] start as dspam user

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
Summary of changes:

  9424dcf... start as dspam user (*)

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[dspam] Initial systemd unit file

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
commit 0e480f7f6823905354bc4b4a56f2152d39718f8f
Author: Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca
Date:   Wed Jul 13 14:48:56 2011 -0600

Initial systemd unit file

 dspam-systemd |   11 +++
 dspam.spec|   39 +++
 2 files changed, 34 insertions(+), 16 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/dspam-systemd b/dspam-systemd
new file mode 100644
index 000..66d14ea
--- /dev/null
+++ b/dspam-systemd
@@ -0,0 +1,11 @@
+[Unit]
+Description=A highly accurate statistical spam filter  minimal resources
+
+[Service]
+Type=Forking
+EnvironmentFile=-/etc/sysconfig/dspam
+User=${DSPAM_USER}
+ExecStart=${DSPAM_BIN} --daemon 2/dev/null
+
+[Install]
+WantedBy=multi-user.target
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/dspam.spec b/dspam.spec
index 327195e..3970b09 100644
--- a/dspam.spec
+++ b/dspam.spec
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
 Summary:A library and Mail Delivery Agent for Bayesian SPAM 
filtering
 Name:   dspam
 Version:3.9.0
-Release:21%{?dist}
+Release:22%{?dist}
 License:GPLv2
 Group:  System Environment/Daemons
 Source0:
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/%{name}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
@@ -22,6 +22,7 @@ Source4:dspam-web.conf
 Source5:dspam-front
 Source6:dspam-sysconfig
 Source7:   dspam-tmpfiles
+Source8:   dspam-systemd
 Source99:   dspam-filter-requires.sh
 Patch0: dspam-3.9.0-file-name.patch
 Patch1: dspam-3.9.0-docs.patch
@@ -36,11 +37,10 @@ BuildRequires:  mysql-devel
 BuildRequires:  postgresql-devel
 BuildRequires:  sqlite-devel
 BuildRequires:  openldap-devel
+BuildRequires: systemd-units
 
 Requires:   dspam-libs = %{version}-%{release}
-Requires(post): chkconfig
-Requires(preun):chkconfig
-Requires(preun):initscripts
+Requires(post):systemd-sysv
 
 %description
 The DSPAM agent masquerades as the email server's local delivery agent
@@ -127,7 +127,6 @@ Summary:Web-based interface for DSPAM
 Group:  System Environment/Daemons
 Requires:   dspam = %{version}-%{release}
 Requires:   webserver
-Requires(post): initscripts
 
 %description web
 Web-based interface for DSPAM's powerful Anti-Spam engine.
@@ -218,8 +217,8 @@ find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -name *.a  -exec rm {} \;
 echo Scanned and tagged as SPAM with DSPAM %{version} by Your ISP.com 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{dspam_homedir}/txt/msgtag.spam
 echo Scanned and tagged as non-SPAM with DSPAM %{version} by Your ISP.com 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{dspam_homedir}/txt/msgtag.nonspam
 
-# install init.d script
-%{__install} -Dp -m0755 %{SOURCE1} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_initrddir}/dspam
+# install systemd script
+%{__install} -Dp -m0644 %{SOURCE8} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_unitdir}/dspam.service
 
 # install cron script
 %{__install} -Dp -m0755 %{SOURCE2} 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/cron.daily/dspam
@@ -263,21 +262,26 @@ do
 done
 %{__install} -Dp -m 0644 %{SOURCE4} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/httpd/conf.d/
 
+[...]
 %post
-/sbin/chkconfig --add %{name}
-if [ $1 -gt 1 ];  then
-/sbin/chkconfig %{name} resetpriorities
+if [ $1 -eq 1 ] ; then 
+# Initial installation 
+/bin/systemctl daemon-reload /dev/null 21 || :
 fi
 
 %preun
-if [ $1 -eq 0 ]; then
-/sbin/service %{name} stop /dev/null || :
-/sbin/chkconfig --del %{name}
+if [ $1 -eq 0 ] ; then
+# Package removal, not upgrade
+/bin/systemctl --no-reload disable dspam.service  /dev/null 21 || :
+/bin/systemctl stop dspam.service  /dev/null 21 || :
 fi
 
 %postun
-if [ $1 -ge 1 ]; then
-/sbin/service %{name} condrestart /dev/null || :
+/bin/systemctl daemon-reload /dev/null 21 || :
+if [ $1 -ge 1 ] ; then
+   /sbin/chkconfig --del httpd /dev/null 21 || :
+# Package upgrade, not uninstall
+/bin/systemctl try-restart dspam.service /dev/null 21 || :
 fi
 
 %pre libs
@@ -309,7 +313,7 @@ exit 0
 %config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/logrotate.d/dspam
 %attr(0640,root,%{mail_group}) %config(noreplace) %{dspam_confdir}/dspam.conf
 %attr(0644,root,%{mail_group}) %config(noreplace) 
%{dspam_confdir}/dspam.conf.default
-%{_initrddir}/dspam
+%{_unitdir}/dspam.service
 %{_mandir}/man1/*
 %attr(%{dspam_mode},%{dspam_user},%{mail_group}) %{_bindir}/dspam
 %{_bindir}/dspam_2sql
@@ -376,6 +380,9 @@ exit 0
 %config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/httpd/conf.d/dspam-web.conf
 
 %changelog
+* Wed Jul 13 2011 Nathanael Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca - 3.9.0-22
+- Systemd unit file
+
 * Wed Jul 13 2011 Nathanael Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca - 3.9.0-21
 - Start daemon as dspam user
 
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[dspam] copy/paste typo

2011-07-13 Thread Nathanael Noblet
commit 11665256e10f4bda8a53724217f84ae1f534ffa1
Author: Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca
Date:   Wed Jul 13 14:58:52 2011 -0600

copy/paste typo

 dspam.spec |1 -
 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/dspam.spec b/dspam.spec
index 3970b09..7f20636 100644
--- a/dspam.spec
+++ b/dspam.spec
@@ -262,7 +262,6 @@ do
 done
 %{__install} -Dp -m 0644 %{SOURCE4} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/httpd/conf.d/
 
-[...]
 %post
 if [ $1 -eq 1 ] ; then 
 # Initial installation 
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[perl-YAML-Tiny] drop Test::MinimumVersion BR to avoid circular build deps

2011-07-13 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 211230db2eebf1852fb052b61ac3c8e97e8f13fc
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date:   Thu Jul 14 05:12:31 2011 +0200

drop Test::MinimumVersion BR to avoid circular build deps

 perl-YAML-Tiny.spec |6 --
 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-YAML-Tiny.spec b/perl-YAML-Tiny.spec
index a93a2a1..0a6f7dc 100644
--- a/perl-YAML-Tiny.spec
+++ b/perl-YAML-Tiny.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-YAML-Tiny
 Version:1.50
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 Summary:Read/Write YAML files with as little code as possible
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -11,7 +11,6 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(Exporter)
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Spec) = 0.80
 BuildRequires:  perl(Scalar::Util)
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::MinimumVersion)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More) = 0.47
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod)
 BuildRequires:  perl(YAML)
@@ -49,6 +48,9 @@ make test AUTOMATED_TESTING=1
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Thu Jul 14 2011 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 1.50-2
+- drop Test::MinimumVersion BR to avoid circular build deps
+
 * Mon Jun 27 2011 Petr Sabata con...@redhat.com - 1.50-1
 - 1.50 bump
 - Cleaning the spec file (I assume pre-EPEL6 compatibility is no longer
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