Re: Fedora 18 Release name voting and Poll for whether to continue naming releases

2012-04-27 Thread Seg ƃǝS
On Apr 20, 2012 5:34 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote:

 On 20.4.2012 18:09, Ralf Corsepius wrote:

 Never. Nobody uses the code names. It's a waste of time and choosing
 names like Beefy Miracle is a good way of making the distro look a
 whole lot less professional.


 Well, as far as I can tell, many Ubuntu and Debian users prefer to call
 their release by name.


 Yes, and I wonder why Fedora users just don't it. Nobody knows why,
either we have too stupid names, or we are too geeky, or something. And I
have to admit, that although my first Debian was potato and I have switched
to Fedora just before etch (and I have no idea, what was the number of
these releases), I have never felt the smallest inclination to call my
first Fedora distro anything else than Fedora Core 6.

No one knows why? There is the obvious effect of inertia from the   fact
that there is a LONG history of referring to releases by version number
going all the way back to Red Hat Linux 2.0 in 1995. (Before that, nearby
holidays were used...) And so far there has been zero PR effort to change
this well established practice. As I remember it, the fact that there even
was a code name was not widely advertised until well into the Fedora
releases.

I'm pretty sure that's the reason.

(User since RHL 5.2, on an Alpha Multia)
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Eliminating automatic provides on private libs

2012-04-27 Thread Panu Matilainen


I started once again looking at ways to eliminate the unwanted provides 
on private libs such as dlopen()'ed modules with minimal fuss and 
breakage. Been down this route more than once but I suspect the last 
time was before the major dependency generator changes in rpm-4.9.x, 
which made tweaking these things a good deal easier, so time for another 
round:


The short background is that for libraries which dont have a SONAME, 
rpmbuild fakes one based on the file name. The rationale for this has 
been that since the linker permits linking to libraries without sonames, 
rpm must permit this too. The downside is that for the 1% corner cases 
that need this, we end up polluting the provides namespace with 
thousands of unnecessary and unwanted names, names that have not been 
picked up with a global namespace in mind.


To get a rough idea just how much of this unwanted junk exists, using a 
slightly modified elfdeps generator on my system:


This is how we currently generate the provides:
[root@localhost rpm]# find /lib64/ /usr/lib64/ -type f |./elfdeps -P 
--soname-only --fake-soname|wc -l

3875

And this is without faked soname provides:
[root@localhost rpm]# find /lib64/ /usr/lib64/ -type f |./elfdeps -P 
--soname-only |wc -l

2816

So... about a third of the soname provides are faked by using library 
basename for its provide name, and almost all of them are for no good 
reason. The three general cases that something actually depends on are
1) libreoffice sub-packages depending on its internal libraries from 
libreoffice-core

2) a handful of packages depending on llvm libraries
3) bigger pile of packages depending on libperl.so

Of these at least 2) does look like a bug really, and in fact has been 
fixed upstream: http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=12334. Dunno about 
3), perl is... what it is. 1) might well classify as an inevitable 
special case (there will always be those), dunno.


Obviously this is just a fairly small sample of the entire Fedora 
package set, there are bound to be many more special cases, buggy 
libraries which do not have SONAME when they should and stuff that falls 
into gray areas. I can try to provide more comprehensive stats based on 
current rawhide if needed.


I'm going to add a switch to allow packages to control the behavior 
anyway. Whether rpm upstream defaults to the traditional behavior for 
compatibility reasons or not is another question, but Fedora is 
obviously free to override that. Given the packaging guideline mandate 
to eliminate private soname provides from packages it seems like a 
no-brainer to disable faked sonames by default, and require the handful 
of special cases to work around it (adding enable-switches to specs) 
instead of adding disable-switches to possibly hundreds of packages to 
cater for the special cases needs.


Thoughts? This would obviously only change in rawhide.

Oh and of course eliminating the faked soname provides does not 
eliminate all unwanted provides, eg libtool adds a soname even when 
-module is used. But ... you need to start someplace.


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Re: Eliminating automatic provides on private libs

2012-04-27 Thread Paul Howarth

On 04/27/2012 09:13 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote:

I started once again looking at ways to eliminate the unwanted provides
on private libs such as dlopen()'ed modules with minimal fuss and
breakage. Been down this route more than once but I suspect the last
time was before the major dependency generator changes in rpm-4.9.x,
which made tweaking these things a good deal easier, so time for another
round:

The short background is that for libraries which dont have a SONAME,
rpmbuild fakes one based on the file name. The rationale for this has
been that since the linker permits linking to libraries without sonames,
rpm must permit this too. The downside is that for the 1% corner cases
that need this, we end up polluting the provides namespace with
thousands of unnecessary and unwanted names, names that have not been
picked up with a global namespace in mind.

To get a rough idea just how much of this unwanted junk exists, using a
slightly modified elfdeps generator on my system:

This is how we currently generate the provides:
[root@localhost rpm]# find /lib64/ /usr/lib64/ -type f |./elfdeps -P
--soname-only --fake-soname|wc -l
3875

And this is without faked soname provides:
[root@localhost rpm]# find /lib64/ /usr/lib64/ -type f |./elfdeps -P
--soname-only |wc -l
2816

So... about a third of the soname provides are faked by using library
basename for its provide name, and almost all of them are for no good
reason. The three general cases that something actually depends on are
1) libreoffice sub-packages depending on its internal libraries from
libreoffice-core
2) a handful of packages depending on llvm libraries
3) bigger pile of packages depending on libperl.so

Of these at least 2) does look like a bug really, and in fact has been
fixed upstream: http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=12334. Dunno about
3), perl is... what it is. 1) might well classify as an inevitable
special case (there will always be those), dunno.

Obviously this is just a fairly small sample of the entire Fedora
package set, there are bound to be many more special cases, buggy
libraries which do not have SONAME when they should and stuff that falls
into gray areas. I can try to provide more comprehensive stats based on
current rawhide if needed.

I'm going to add a switch to allow packages to control the behavior
anyway. Whether rpm upstream defaults to the traditional behavior for
compatibility reasons or not is another question, but Fedora is
obviously free to override that. Given the packaging guideline mandate
to eliminate private soname provides from packages it seems like a
no-brainer to disable faked sonames by default, and require the handful
of special cases to work around it (adding enable-switches to specs)
instead of adding disable-switches to possibly hundreds of packages to
cater for the special cases needs.

Thoughts? This would obviously only change in rawhide.

Oh and of course eliminating the faked soname provides does not
eliminate all unwanted provides, eg libtool adds a soname even when
-module is used. But ... you need to start someplace.


Regarding perl, of the 48 packages that require libperl.so in Rawhide, 
only 13 of them don't also require perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2), which 
will also pull in the perl-libs package, so I don't think perl is a big 
issue.


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Re: Eliminating automatic provides on private libs

2012-04-27 Thread Panu Matilainen

On 04/27/2012 11:25 AM, Paul Howarth wrote:

On 04/27/2012 09:13 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote:

I started once again looking at ways to eliminate the unwanted provides
on private libs such as dlopen()'ed modules with minimal fuss and
breakage. Been down this route more than once but I suspect the last
time was before the major dependency generator changes in rpm-4.9.x,
which made tweaking these things a good deal easier, so time for another
round:

The short background is that for libraries which dont have a SONAME,
rpmbuild fakes one based on the file name. The rationale for this has
been that since the linker permits linking to libraries without sonames,
rpm must permit this too. The downside is that for the 1% corner cases
that need this, we end up polluting the provides namespace with
thousands of unnecessary and unwanted names, names that have not been
picked up with a global namespace in mind.

To get a rough idea just how much of this unwanted junk exists, using a
slightly modified elfdeps generator on my system:

This is how we currently generate the provides:
[root@localhost rpm]# find /lib64/ /usr/lib64/ -type f |./elfdeps -P
--soname-only --fake-soname|wc -l
3875

And this is without faked soname provides:
[root@localhost rpm]# find /lib64/ /usr/lib64/ -type f |./elfdeps -P
--soname-only |wc -l
2816

So... about a third of the soname provides are faked by using library
basename for its provide name, and almost all of them are for no good
reason. The three general cases that something actually depends on are
1) libreoffice sub-packages depending on its internal libraries from
libreoffice-core
2) a handful of packages depending on llvm libraries
3) bigger pile of packages depending on libperl.so

Of these at least 2) does look like a bug really, and in fact has been
fixed upstream: http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=12334. Dunno about
3), perl is... what it is. 1) might well classify as an inevitable
special case (there will always be those), dunno.

Obviously this is just a fairly small sample of the entire Fedora
package set, there are bound to be many more special cases, buggy
libraries which do not have SONAME when they should and stuff that falls
into gray areas. I can try to provide more comprehensive stats based on
current rawhide if needed.

I'm going to add a switch to allow packages to control the behavior
anyway. Whether rpm upstream defaults to the traditional behavior for
compatibility reasons or not is another question, but Fedora is
obviously free to override that. Given the packaging guideline mandate
to eliminate private soname provides from packages it seems like a
no-brainer to disable faked sonames by default, and require the handful
of special cases to work around it (adding enable-switches to specs)
instead of adding disable-switches to possibly hundreds of packages to
cater for the special cases needs.

Thoughts? This would obviously only change in rawhide.

Oh and of course eliminating the faked soname provides does not
eliminate all unwanted provides, eg libtool adds a soname even when
-module is used. But ... you need to start someplace.


Regarding perl, of the 48 packages that require libperl.so in Rawhide,
only 13 of them don't also require perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2), which
will also pull in the perl-libs package, so I don't think perl is a big
issue.


In these cases, it's not a question of what other requires they might 
have. If something links against a library (in this case libperl.so), 
causing a require to be generated, something needs to provide that 
dependency.


So in the case of libperl.so, the choices would basically be either:

a) Add an actual soname to libperl.so (since it's something that other 
packages do link against, this would seem reasonable but then I dont 
know the perl world pecularities at all...)


b) Enable the switch (whatever it will be) to generate these fake soname 
provides in the main perl package (or add the provide manually in the 
spec, but that gets ugly real fast)


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Re: Private-libraries in /usr/lib* - invalid soname.

2012-04-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:01:16 +0200, AL (Alec) wrote:

 I am am a newbie, and although the overall wiki rule is Be Bold this 
 is not really the place for me to be that IMHO. So, I have prepared a 
 draft in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Common_Rpmlint_issues  (the 
 Discussion tab). My plan is to become bold and move that into the wiki 
 page later on. Would really need som input before doing that, though.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Common_Rpmlint_issues
loads an error page that reads:

| Talk:Common Rpmlint issues
|
| The following metadata was found in MoinMoin that could not be converted
| to a useful value in MediaWiki:
|
| *   : hack to omit unused-direct-shlib-dependencies 
| *   acl: Known:read,write All:read 

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Fedora 17 slow keys keeps activating (maybe xfce?)

2012-04-27 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
I filed a bug about this, but I've no idea what component to file it
against, so it's against something fairly random:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816764

After updating Fedora 17 to latest a couple of days ago, my keyboard
keeps dying.

In fact I found out that what's happening is an accessibility feature
called slow keys is getting activated.  Unfortunately this is
activated silently, so there is no indication what has happened, nor
how to revert it.  This is going to cause a lot of problems for less
technical users, since the only way out for them is to reboot.

Also, in the Accessibility menu, it shows that slow keys is
disabled.  You have to enable and disable it (using the mouse) in
order to fix the bug.

And it keeps happening too ...  It's happened twice already this
morning.  I don't know what I am doing/pressing which starts this off.

Some usability lessons:

* Never activate a feature without visual feedback.

* Make it easy and obvious to revert.

* Provide a way to permanently disable accessibility features for
those who don't need them.

Rich.

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Re: Fedora 17 slow keys keeps activating (maybe xfce?)

2012-04-27 Thread Frank Murphy

On 27/04/12 11:16, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:



* Provide a way to permanently disable accessibility features for
those who don't need them.

Rich.



I don't have an accessibility menu on Xfce F17 or Rawhide.


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Re: iwlwifi still hangs, clunky workaround

2012-04-27 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 09:27:23PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
 A workaround that makes the wifi bearable (but not pleasant) is:
 
 modprobe iwlwifi wd_disable=1

Thanks.  This is an improvement over what I was doing which was:

 * Disable wireless in NetworkMangler.
 * modprobe -r iwlwifi
 * modprobe iwlwifi
 * Enable wireless.

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Re: Private-libraries in /usr/lib* - invalid soname.

2012-04-27 Thread Alec Leamas

On 04/27/2012 11:32 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:01:16 +0200, AL (Alec) wrote:
You

I am am a newbie, and although the overall wiki rule is Be Bold this
is not really the place for me to be that IMHO. So, I have prepared a
draft in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Common_Rpmlint_issues  (the
Discussion tab). My plan is to become bold and move that into the wiki
page later on. Would really need som input before doing that, though.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Common_Rpmlint_issues
loads an error page that reads:

| Talk:Common Rpmlint issues
|
| The following metadata was found in MoinMoin that could not be converted
| to a useful value in MediaWiki:
|
| *   : hack to omit unused-direct-shlib-dependencies
| *   acl: Known:read,write All:read
Yup, I became bold and the draft is now in the real page after waiting 
for input both here and in IRC. Look at the history tab.


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Re: Eliminating automatic provides on private libs

2012-04-27 Thread Hans de Goede

Hi,

On 04/27/2012 10:13 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote:


I started once again looking at ways to eliminate the unwanted provides on 
private libs such as dlopen()'ed modules with minimal fuss and breakage. Been 
down this route more than once but I suspect the last time was before the major 
dependency generator changes in rpm-4.9.x, which made tweaking these things a 
good deal easier, so time for another round:

The short background is that for libraries which dont have a SONAME, rpmbuild 
fakes one based on the file name. The rationale for this has been that since 
the linker permits linking to libraries without sonames, rpm must permit this 
too. The downside is that for the 1% corner cases that need this, we end up 
polluting the provides namespace with thousands of unnecessary and unwanted 
names, names that have not been picked up with a global namespace in mind.

To get a rough idea just how much of this unwanted junk exists, using a 
slightly modified elfdeps generator on my system:

This is how we currently generate the provides:
[root@localhost rpm]# find /lib64/ /usr/lib64/ -type f |./elfdeps -P 
--soname-only --fake-soname|wc -l
3875

And this is without faked soname provides:
[root@localhost rpm]# find /lib64/ /usr/lib64/ -type f |./elfdeps -P 
--soname-only |wc -l
2816

So... about a third of the soname provides are faked by using library basename 
for its provide name, and almost all of them are for no good reason. The three 
general cases that something actually depends on are
1) libreoffice sub-packages depending on its internal libraries from 
libreoffice-core
2) a handful of packages depending on llvm libraries
3) bigger pile of packages depending on libperl.so

Of these at least 2) does look like a bug really, and in fact has been fixed 
upstream: http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=12334. Dunno about 3), perl 
is... what it is. 1) might well classify as an inevitable special case (there 
will always be those), dunno.

Obviously this is just a fairly small sample of the entire Fedora package set, 
there are bound to be many more special cases, buggy libraries which do not 
have SONAME when they should and stuff that falls into gray areas. I can try to 
provide more comprehensive stats based on current rawhide if needed.

I'm going to add a switch to allow packages to control the behavior anyway. 
Whether rpm upstream defaults to the traditional behavior for compatibility 
reasons or not is another question, but Fedora is obviously free to override 
that. Given the packaging guideline mandate to eliminate private soname 
provides from packages it seems like a no-brainer to disable faked sonames by 
default, and require the handful of special cases to work around it (adding 
enable-switches to specs) instead of adding disable-switches to possibly 
hundreds of packages to cater for the special cases needs.

Thoughts? This would obviously only change in rawhide.


Great! Can we disable these bogus provides starting tomorrow please?  :)

Regards,

Hans


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Fest Swing: Package review and sponsoring required. Was: Self Introduction

2012-04-27 Thread Mario Torre
Il giorno mer, 25/04/2012 alle 18.36 +0200, Mario Torre ha scritto:
 Hello all!
 
 I'm trying to package Fest for Fedora, and I need a sponsor for this
 first package:
 
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816264
 
 This is my first package, but I'm not new to Fedora, I recently joined
 Red Hat, after many year of Free Software work with other companies,
 I've been using Fedora since Fedora Core 1, and before that I was a Red
 Hat Linux user (since 6.0!).
 
 During the years, I've contribute some fixes here and there in Fedora
 packages (although mostly upstream), but this is my first attempt at
 packaging a full rpm set of packages.
 
 Cheers,
 Mario

Hello all!

I added few more packages, they are all needed for Fest Swing:


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816264
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816926
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816927
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816957
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816962
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816967

Can somebody please give a look at them?

Thanks,
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Fedora Elections: General information, and questionnaire opening.

2012-04-27 Thread Robyn Bergeron

GREETINGS!

It is once again time for election season to begin.  As noted in the 
elections schedule[1], the elections questionnaire is now open to 
populate with questions for candidates, and will close on May 8th.  The 
elections nomination period will begin AFTER the questionnaire period 
has closed.


You may add your burning questions for candidates to answer here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_elections_questionnaire

The following seats are available in this election:

* Fedora Project Board: 3 seats
* FESCo (Fedora Engineering Steering Committee):  5 seats
* FAmSCo (Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee): 7 seats

Please take note of the following changes for this election:

* All questions for the questionnaire must be submitted by May 8th, 
prior to the beginning of nominations. As seen in the schedule above, 
the nomination period does not start until May 9th.
* As noted on announce-list[2], FAmSCo is electing all 7 seats this 
cycle, with the goal of having staggered elections similar to the Board 
and FESCo. Additionally, voting eligibility has been widened to allow 
anyone who has signed the FPCA AND is a member of at least one 
additional non-FPCA/CLA group. (In other words: No longer just 
ambassadors, but those part of other teams as well.)


Full election information may be seen here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections

Participating in these bodies are one of many ways to contribute to 
Fedora; I encourage you to consider running, or to urge those you 
believe are excellent candidates to run.  Additionally, your 
contributions are welcomed in helping to keep the elections running 
smoothly; volunteers are needed to help collect questionnaire answers 
from candidates, as well as for scheduling and moderating town halls.  
If you are interested in helping with those efforts, please contact John 
Rose[3].


And a big thank you! to John for coordinating the elections thus far, 
your efforts are very much appreciated.


-Robyn

[1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#Committee_Elections_Schedule
[2]http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2012-April/003063.html
[3]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Inode0

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Re: Proposal for revitalizing the sponsorship process for packaging

2012-04-27 Thread Vít Ondruch

Dne 26.4.2012 18:13, Alec Leamas napsal(a):

On 04/26/2012 05:49 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:32:17 +0200, AL (Alec) wrote:


OT? The question here isn't really what submitters  do or don't, isn't
it what we could do to improve the process?.

The point is that not all submitters are collaborative, and others don't
seek for sponsors actively. In the needsponsor queue are lots of tickets
where packages are not ready or where a reviewer is simply waiting for
the submitter to respond. It isn't so easy to find submitters who
are willing for compromise and adapt the Fedora's requirements.
People are note always nice, agreed. But isn't part of the problem 
that current process forces people which just are interested in a 
package to suddenly discover that they are applying to be packagers? 
Shouldn't some of these  cases be better off if they could drop 
their package in some kind of wishlist 2.0, and try to get in 
contact with a packager instead?


I am thinking about some dumping repository, where people would dump 
their packages and they would need almost no qualification. Of course 
using such packages would be without any warranty. The packages would 
not be owned by anybody, so everybody would improve them (or eventually 
corrupt them ;)). Once somebody would be interested enough to become 
official maintainer, he would apply to official review and the package 
would get into official Fedora repo.


Actually it shouldn't be that hard to achieve it with tiny changes to 
current infrastructure IMO. It seems to be still better option then to 
trust to 3rd party repo or OBS.



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Public thanks

2012-04-27 Thread Caghan Demirci
  I want to publicly thank Jon Ciesla for helping me out and saving me lots
of time here.  I had been requesting EPEL builds of rabbitvcs and
nautilus-python for many many months, but no one was responding to me.  And
it was definitely not worth the effort to become a co-maintainer and
learning the ropes, just for a couple of packages.  Jon voluntarily took
over the EPEL versions and got them through the door in a very short time,
although he had no responsibility on the packages.  So the least I can do
is to thank him! :)

  rabbitvcs finally can be installed smoothly on RHEL  CentOS!

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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 15:10 +0200, Antonio Trande wrote:
 The poll about Fedora release names keeping is terminated
 [1]https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/poll-rel-names?_csrf_token=ed7209dc06f5c8c58528ac55251f52c8ffacdc40.

Just for reference for the future, the last part of your url is not
necessary (all the part after the ?_csrf). So you can provide a short
url by just kicking it out:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/poll-rel-names

Thus avoiding to spread an obfuscated url.

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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen

- Pierre-Yves Chibon pin...@pingoured.fr wrote:

 On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 15:10 +0200, Antonio Trande wrote:
  The poll about Fedora release names keeping is terminated
 
 [1]https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/poll-rel-names?_csrf_token=ed7209dc06f5c8c58528ac55251f52c8ffacdc40.
 
 Just for reference for the future, the last part of your url is not
 necessary (all the part after the ?_csrf). So you can provide a short
 url by just kicking it out:
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/poll-rel-names
 
 Thus avoiding to spread an obfuscated url.
 

The poll should really have run through the regular elections to reach a wider 
user base.

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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:10:45 +0200, AT (Antonio) wrote:

 The poll about Fedora release names keeping is terminated
 [1]https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/poll-rel-names?_csrf_token=ed7209dc06f5c8c58528ac55251f52c8ffacdc40.
 
 And now ?

Well, I've missed the announcement of this poll.
Where has it been announced?

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File Net-SSH2-0.44.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2012-04-27 Thread Petr Šabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Net-SSH2:

0d18993d7783357b38e47212e64a1d96  Net-SSH2-0.44.tar.gz
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Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-27 Thread Kamil Paral
 There seems to be at least some consensus that:
 
 * The notification, unless permanent, is not an ideal solution here
 because once it goes away, the user is in the same situation of
 confusion as to how to install the Live Image to disk.
 
 * The extension as proposed is not an ideal solution because it is
 too
 intrusive a change on the GNOME Shell design that the Live Image is
 demonstrating.
 
 * Autostarting anaconda at startup is not an ideal solution because
 there are many valid use-cases for the Live Image where this would
 not
 be wanted, and also, if the new user closes it, they will have the
 same
 difficulty launching it again later when they are ready.
 
 * Launching a install or try it uninstalled merely masks the issue,
 because when the user selects try it uninstalled, they have the
 same
 difficulty finding the installer again later when they are ready.
 
 
 
 Would it be possible to design an extension that has a minimal impact
 on
 the GNOME Shell design and still provides a clear, persistent, and
 obvious way to install the Live Image to disk?
 
 ~tom

The discussion has died. I have lost any hope that it could lead to a positive 
output, so I'll not push any more. The desktop SIG expressed clear and utter 
NO.

For the last two Fedora releases new Fedora users have been having a hard time 
to locate the installer. It seems to be clear that nothing will change in 
Fedora 17. I find it sad how desktop guys try to veto solutions they don't 
like, but they don't push on any other solutions. I also find it sad how strong 
their rejection is even though the overwhelming majority of other respondents 
like it.

I'll keep the source code on github [1]. Maybe it will be useful for someone 
else, some time, e.g. for some Fedora spin or for a different Linux 
distribution. If anybody wants to continue in pushing this, and explaining 
better to desktop SIG, you're welcome.

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[perl-Net-SSH2] 0.44 bump

2012-04-27 Thread Petr Šabata
commit b7fd0588c35ccedfab9c1b7d864a61a1b1287373
Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com
Date:   Fri Apr 27 15:22:41 2012 +0200

0.44 bump

 .gitignore |1 +
 perl-Net-SSH2.spec |5 -
 sources|2 +-
 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index 25b2a30..cd9b06e 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -4,3 +4,4 @@ Net-SSH2-0.28.tar.gz
 /Net-SSH2-0.41.tar.gz
 /Net-SSH2-0.42.tar.gz
 /Net-SSH2-0.43.tar.gz
+/Net-SSH2-0.44.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Net-SSH2.spec b/perl-Net-SSH2.spec
index f408602..911f170 100644
--- a/perl-Net-SSH2.spec
+++ b/perl-Net-SSH2.spec
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 Name:   perl-Net-SSH2
-Version:0.43
+Version:0.44
 Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Support for the SSH 2 protocol via libSSH2
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
@@ -54,6 +54,9 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Fri Apr 27 2012 Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com - 0.44-1
+- 0.44 bump
+
 * Tue Apr 24 2012 Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com - 0.43-1
 - 0.43 bump
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 08c9f30..dd5e960 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-3f1d62af340e05e0aba33c4ec1c342f2  Net-SSH2-0.43.tar.gz
+0d18993d7783357b38e47212e64a1d96  Net-SSH2-0.44.tar.gz
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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Antonio Trande

 The poll should really have run through the regular elections to reach a
 wider user base.

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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Johannes Lips
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/166087.html

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:10:45 +0200, AT (Antonio) wrote:

  The poll about Fedora release names keeping is terminated
  [1]
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/poll-rel-names?_csrf_token=ed7209dc06f5c8c58528ac55251f52c8ffacdc40
 .
 
  And now ?

 Well, I've missed the announcement of this poll.
 Where has it been announced?

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Re: Proposal for revitalizing the sponsorship process for packaging

2012-04-27 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
I have seen way too many problems caused by people installing such 
*nonmaintained* packages to even think this will cause more troubles than it 
will solve.

Alex

- Original Message -
 From: Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com
 To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 3:32:33 PM
 Subject: Re: Proposal for revitalizing the sponsorship process for packaging
 
 Dne 26.4.2012 18:13, Alec Leamas napsal(a):
  On 04/26/2012 05:49 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
  On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:32:17 +0200, AL (Alec) wrote:
 
  OT? The question here isn't really what submitters  do or don't,
  isn't
  it what we could do to improve the process?.
  The point is that not all submitters are collaborative, and others
  don't
  seek for sponsors actively. In the needsponsor queue are lots of
  tickets
  where packages are not ready or where a reviewer is simply waiting
  for
  the submitter to respond. It isn't so easy to find submitters
  who
  are willing for compromise and adapt the Fedora's requirements.
  People are note always nice, agreed. But isn't part of the problem
  that current process forces people which just are interested in a
  package to suddenly discover that they are applying to be
  packagers?
  Shouldn't some of these  cases be better off if they could drop
  their package in some kind of wishlist 2.0, and try to get in
  contact with a packager instead?
 
 I am thinking about some dumping repository, where people would
 dump
 their packages and they would need almost no qualification. Of course
 using such packages would be without any warranty. The packages would
 not be owned by anybody, so everybody would improve them (or
 eventually
 corrupt them ;)). Once somebody would be interested enough to become
 official maintainer, he would apply to official review and the
 package
 would get into official Fedora repo.
 
 Actually it shouldn't be that hard to achieve it with tiny changes to
 current infrastructure IMO. It seems to be still better option then
 to
 trust to 3rd party repo or OBS.
 
 
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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:23:31 +0100, JL (Johannes) wrote:

  Well, I've missed the announcement of this poll.
  Where has it been announced?

 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/166087.html

I haven't received that mail. I've tracked down the announcement in
the list [web]archives of announce and devel-announce list, also
found a huge thread of replies in my devel list folder, but not the
original message. No Fedora Planet post about it either. Strange.

Something has gone wrong here. And one week has not been enough time
for me to notice that.

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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Michael Schwendt [27/04/2012 15:31] :

 Well, I've missed the announcement of this poll.
 Where has it been announced?

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2012-April/003060.html
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2012-April/000919.html

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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen

- Antonio Trande anto.tra...@gmail.com wrote:

 The poll should really have run through the regular elections to reach
 a wider user base.
 
 What do you mean with regular elections ?

The board, FESCo and FAMSCo elections that happen regularly with every release.

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Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-27 Thread Colin Walters
Hi Kamil,

On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 09:22 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:

 but they don't push on any other solutions.

A link from the http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora page directly
to
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/Fedora_Live_Desktop.html

?
To be honest I'm torn myself because I do sometimes use live images for
their try before you buy ability, not necessarily to install to disk
right at that second.  But having an extension installed by default has
a lot of technical ramifications; for example, it'll also get copied to
the hard disk after you install.  Also, while I'm not an artist or
designer, I think it looks pretty ugly...

The whole thing is clearly a mess that needs some high level
streamlining, from the entire process of download from web page (or
receive CD from friend) to the on-disk install first boot.




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File DBI-1.620.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2012-04-27 Thread Petr Šabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-DBI:

2dfcff5b3b7afc53be402ef5f133da00  DBI-1.620.tar.gz
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[perl-DBI] 1.620 bump

2012-04-27 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 687a29a9c26d3ea0b9704b6c5cf9e03d2373904b
Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com
Date:   Fri Apr 27 15:57:31 2012 +0200

1.620 bump

 .gitignore|1 +
 perl-DBI.spec |   12 ++--
 sources   |2 +-
 3 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index f9dd924..35603c3 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -5,3 +5,4 @@ DBI-1.613.tar.gz
 /DBI-1.616.tar.gz
 /DBI-1.617.tar.gz
 /DBI-1.618.tar.gz
+/DBI-1.620.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-DBI.spec b/perl-DBI.spec
index a0f90c7..2bb8210 100644
--- a/perl-DBI.spec
+++ b/perl-DBI.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-DBI
-Version:1.618
-Release:3%{?dist}
+Version:1.620
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:A database access API for perl
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
@@ -24,12 +24,10 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(DynaLoader)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Errno)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Exporter)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Fcntl)
-BuildRequires:  perl(File::Basename)
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Spec)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Getopt::Long)
 BuildRequires:  perl(IO::File)
 BuildRequires:  perl(IO::Select)
-BuildRequires:  perl(IPC::Open3)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Math::BigInt)
 # MLDBM is optional
 BuildRequires:  perl(MLDBM)
@@ -43,10 +41,8 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(Scalar::Util)
 BuildRequires:  perl(SQL::Statement) = 1.28
 %endif
 BuildRequires:  perl(Storable)
-BuildRequires:  perl(Symbol)
 BuildRequires:  perl(threads)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Tie::Hash)
-BuildRequires:  perl(UNIVERSAL)
 # Tests
 BuildRequires:  perl(Encode)
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Path)
@@ -111,6 +107,10 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*.3*
 
 %changelog
+* Fri Apr 27 2012 Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com - 1.620-1
+- 1.620 bump
+- Removing some perl-provided explicit dependencies
+
 * Fri Apr  6 2012 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com - 1.618-3
 - 810370 apply Paul's bootstrap macro
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 9af83ef..a0d1f73 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-5ad29b56f7457f22bd1ca1c871b30719  DBI-1.618.tar.gz
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Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-27 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote:
 The whole thing is clearly a mess that needs some high level
 streamlining, from the entire process of download from web page (or
 receive CD from friend) to the on-disk install first boot.

While I certainly wouldn't disagree with this statement, let's not let
perfect get in the way of better here.

What can we do in the *near* term to make it easier for people to find
the Install to Hard Drive option from the LiveCD?  I understand that
there are technical reasons why the extension is frowned upon -- but
that shouldn't mean that we do nothing to try to improve the
situation.  I tried not to complain too loudly while I was the FPL,
especially because GNOME Shell was new and had plenty of other things
to focus on.  Now that it's a bit more mature, I'd really like to come
up with a better solution here.

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Re: Proposal for revitalizing the sponsorship process for packaging

2012-04-27 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Quoting Michael Schwendt (2012-04-26 18:36:51)
 So, what has been proposed before (years ago even) is for advanced
 packagers (aka provenpackagers or experienced packagers) to lower the
 hurdle and trust them more in that they know their stuff.  They would not
 need to wait for somebody else (possibly a fresh packager) to
 review'n'approve a package or just its licensing. It's considered
 ridiculous by some that senior packagers still need approval for
 even simple new packages or package renames.

I am a provenpackager and I would be *extremely* dissapointed if this
came to become a reality. Package review is a good thing, no matter how
skilled the packager is. I have packaged quite a few packages, mostly
Java ones (65 to be exact) and I still make mistakes! Guidelines change,
people miss things (such as bundling, licensing issues, wrong
permissions, etc.). I will put it bluntly: getting rid of package
reviews would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.


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Re: Public thanks

2012-04-27 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Caghan Demirci cagh...@gmail.com wrote:

   I want to publicly thank Jon Ciesla for helping me out and saving me lots
 of time here.  I had been requesting EPEL builds of rabbitvcs and
 nautilus-python for many many months, but no one was responding to me.  And
 it was definitely not worth the effort to become a co-maintainer and
 learning the ropes, just for a couple of packages.  Jon voluntarily took
 over the EPEL versions and got them through the door in a very short time,
 although he had no responsibility on the packages.  So the least I can do is
 to thank him! :)

Very welcome, anytime.  blush

   rabbitvcs finally can be installed smoothly on RHEL  CentOS!

Modulo the availablity in EL-6 stable of thunarx-python.

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Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-27 Thread Kamil Paral
  but they don't push on any other solutions.
 
 A link from the http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora page directly
 to
 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/Fedora_Live_Desktop.html
 
 ?

I've spent 5 minutes looking for that direct link and I haven't found it. Maybe 
I'm just blind. There's a small link for full installation guide, but I see no 
link for quick start guide, and no link for the page you posted.

Something tells me that if I have never seen it, and couldn't find it even when 
looking for it, that 99% of new users won't see it as well.

 But having an extension installed by default
 has
 a lot of technical ramifications; for example, it'll also get copied
 to
 the hard disk after you install.  Also, while I'm not an artist or
 designer, I think it looks pretty ugly...

No, it will not get installed, I described that before (maybe just on 
anaconda-devel).

I don't mean to haggle about it anymore. Just clearing up misconceptions.
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Re: Proposal for revitalizing the sponsorship process for packaging

2012-04-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:10:53 +0200, SO (Stanislav) wrote:

 Quoting Michael Schwendt (2012-04-26 18:36:51)
  So, what has been proposed before (years ago even) is for advanced
  packagers (aka provenpackagers or experienced packagers) to lower the
  hurdle and trust them more in that they know their stuff.  They would not
  need to wait for somebody else (possibly a fresh packager) to
  review'n'approve a package or just its licensing. It's considered
  ridiculous by some that senior packagers still need approval for
  even simple new packages or package renames.
 
 I am a provenpackager and I would be *extremely* dissapointed if this
 came to become a reality. Package review is a good thing, no matter how
 skilled the packager is. I have packaged quite a few packages, mostly
 Java ones (65 to be exact) and I still make mistakes! Guidelines change,
 people miss things (such as bundling, licensing issues, wrong
 permissions, etc.). I will put it bluntly: getting rid of package
 reviews would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Package reviews would be _optional_ for provenpackagers, not mandatory
anymore. You could still open a review request and wait for a reviewer.
Especially for non-trivial packages.

The bottom half of your paragraph misses the point completely, btw.
We don't have a review process for packages _after_ package approval.
Mistakes happen, and it's possible that with any unattended version-
upgrade you would introduce mistakes. Does that imply you would want
mandatory reviews for every commit in git? No. Hopefully not. ;)

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Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-27 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:26 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
   but they don't push on any other solutions.
  
  A link from the http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora page directly
  to
  http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/Fedora_Live_Desktop.html
  
  ?
 
 I've spent 5 minutes looking for that direct link and I haven't found it.

That was my point - it doesn't exist yet as far as I know, but is an
option to improve the situation.

 No, it will not get installed, I described that before (maybe just on 
 anaconda-devel).

OK.

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Re: iwlwifi still hangs, clunky workaround

2012-04-27 Thread John W. Linville
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 21:27 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
 I'm still seeing the wifi lockup issues on  3.3.2-1.fc17.x86_64.
 
 The logs show:
 
 Apr 26 21:02:53 thinkpad kernel: [262822.181984] iwlwifi :02:00.0: Queue 
 2 stuck for 2000 ms.
 Apr 26 21:02:53 thinkpad kernel: [262822.181992] iwlwifi :02:00.0: 
 Current S W read_ptr 214 write_ptr 218
 Apr 26 21:02:53 thinkpad kernel: [262822.182046] iwlwifi :02:00.0: 
 Current H W read_ptr 214 write_ptr 218
 Apr 26 21:02:53 thinkpad kernel: [262822.182051] iwlwifi :02:00.0: On 
 demand firmware reload
 Apr 26 21:02:53 thinkpad kernel: [262822.182826] ieee80211 phy0: Hardware 
 restar t was requested
 Apr 26 21:02:53 thinkpad kernel: [262822.182908] iwlwifi :02:00.0: L1 
 Enable d; Disabling L0S
 Apr 26 21:02:53 thinkpad kernel: [262822.183495] iwlwifi :02:00.0: Radio 
 typ e=0x0-0x3-0x1

This is a firmware failure/crash on the wireless device.  Unfortunately,
we don't have a lot of visibility into that.  The Intel folks will need
to be involved.

I'll copy Wey-yi and Johannes.  Hopefully they can give this some
attention.  You might also open a bug at bugzilla.intellinuxwireless.org
for their convenience.

We've been getting a lot of complaints about iwlwifi stability in
general lately.  We may need to flood their inboxes until they can spare
us some cycles... :-)

 A workaround that makes the wifi bearable (but not pleasant) is:
 
 modprobe iwlwifi wd_disable=1
 
 I can still see the failures, but at least it recovers:
 
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=617 ttl=54 time=42.9 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=618 ttl=54 time=46.1 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=619 ttl=54 time=50.9 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=620 ttl=54 time=46.3 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=621 ttl=54 time=48.1 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=622 ttl=54 time=41.4 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=623 ttl=54 time=46.3 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=625 ttl=54 time=2209 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=626 ttl=54 time=1213 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=627 ttl=54 time=213 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=628 ttl=54 time=44.2 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=629 ttl=54 time=43.3 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=630 ttl=54 time=44.6 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=631 ttl=54 time=45.0 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=632 ttl=54 time=44.3 ms
 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=633 ttl=54 time=44.0 ms
 
 I still get one of these lock ups every 10 to 30 seconds,
 but at least I dont have to throw the hardware switch
 back and forth on the laptop to recover.
 
 If there is more debug info I can get someone, let me know
 
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Re: Fedora 17 slow keys keeps activating (maybe xfce?)

2012-04-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:16:34 +0100
Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:

 I filed a bug about this, but I've no idea what component to file it
 against, so it's against something fairly random:
 
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816764
 
 After updating Fedora 17 to latest a couple of days ago, my keyboard
 keeps dying.
 
 In fact I found out that what's happening is an accessibility feature
 called slow keys is getting activated.  Unfortunately this is
 activated silently, so there is no indication what has happened, nor
 how to revert it.  This is going to cause a lot of problems for less
 technical users, since the only way out for them is to reboot.
 
 Also, in the Accessibility menu, it shows that slow keys is
 disabled.  You have to enable and disable it (using the mouse) in
 order to fix the bug.
 
 And it keeps happening too ...  It's happened twice already this
 morning.  I don't know what I am doing/pressing which starts this off.

I've also run into this, but been unsure whats causing it. 

I'm running Xfce here, but it might be a gnome component thats causing
it. Slow keys is off in all the Xfce prefs and in Accessablity prefs...
but yet it's still turning on. ;( 

It does pop up a notification, but it's still anoying. 

I would be VERY happy to have a fix for this. ;) 

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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 03:10:45PM +0200, Antonio Trande wrote:
 The poll about Fedora release names keeping is terminated [1].
 And now ?
 
The Board will look at the results and decide whether to stop having release
namees for Fedora 19 or to start the process of revising how they are
chosen.

If the latter, I'm hoping we'll organize that as a working group outside of
the Board (a Board member(s) may organize it but it won't be something that
occurs at the Board meetings where things are only public half of the time)

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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen

- Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Board will look at the results and decide whether to stop having
 release
 namees for Fedora 19 or to start the process of revising how they are
 chosen.
 
 If the latter, I'm hoping we'll organize that as a working group
 outside of
 the Board (a Board member(s) may organize it but it won't be something
 that
 occurs at the Board meetings where things are only public half of the
 time)
 

Will the poll results be made public? If so when, if not why?

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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen
b...@fedoraunity.org wrote:

 - Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Board will look at the results and decide whether to stop having
 release
 namees for Fedora 19 or to start the process of revising how they are
 chosen.

 If the latter, I'm hoping we'll organize that as a working group
 outside of
 the Board (a Board member(s) may organize it but it won't be something
 that
 occurs at the Board meetings where things are only public half of the
 time)


 Will the poll results be made public? If so when, if not why?

A link to the results was in the first message in this thread.

Here it is again, just in case:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/poll-rel-names

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BZ718430 - Unknown Horizons

2012-04-27 Thread Nelson Marques
Dear all,

Following a previous thread debate about Unknown Horizons:

 1) I'm available to maintain unknown-horizons (UH) in Fedora and EPEL (RHEL6);
 2) For 1) to happen I would like to maintain also FIFE, which doesn't
seem to see much love for quite some time; I ask this because FIFE
flagship product is UH itself and the development of both is very
close... A FIFE release always preceeds a UH release;
 3) If 1) and 2) happen, then I need to maintain also python-enet,
which provides the python bindings for ENet. In case ENet needs some
love, then I don't mind taking it also.

For this to happen, I could use information on the following:

 1) How to check who currently maintains those packages;
 2) The correct 'modus operandi' to take ownership of those packages;

Consider that:

 1) I already provide packages for Fedora and RHEL for at least 1 year
through OBS. This packages are the ones supported by upstream;
Providing them on Fedora means I would remove them from OBS and
replace the current information for Fedora users on UH main website;
 2) I have been sharing jokes and enjoying UH experience with
upstream, so any issues found can properly be addressed to upstream
and a rapid response is expected;
 3) In extreme situations I can take ownership of all dependencies
required (ex: guichan, scons, etc);
 4) I don't know the Fedora way, so I would rather stick with FIFE and
UH at the start and when I'm more confortable I can take ownership of
the rest of the dependencies;

 Is this OK? Should I re-open BZ718430?

 [1] - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718430

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Re: Fedora release name in the future

2012-04-27 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen

- Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote:

 A link to the results was in the first message in this thread.
 
 Here it is again, just in case:
 
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/poll-rel-names
 

Thanks Josh, I overlooked it.

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Re: mounted external ext4 causes high kworker cpu

2012-04-27 Thread Jeff Moyer
Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com writes:

 Normally top reports CPU line, sy at 0.4% when idle. If I format an
 external Firewire disk as btrfs and mount it, it remains at 0.4%. If I
 reformat as XFS and mount it, again top reports sy at 0.4%. However,
 if I reformat as ext4 and mount it, sy runs at 3.5%. These two
 processes are now at the top of top's results:

 kworker/1:2
 kworker/0:4

 Each uses on average 1.9% CPU. The light on the external drive flashes
 4x per second. There are no processes using the disk at all while this
 is going on. If I umount it, the pulsing stops. If I remount it, the
 pulsing resumes as does the slightly higher CPU consumption.

 This doesn't happen with the same hardware mounted XFS or btrfs or
 HFS+.

 Odd?

Sounds like lazy itable init.  Try mkfs -t ext4 -E lazy_itable_init=0.

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Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-27 Thread Germán A. Racca

On 04/27/2012 10:50 AM, Colin Walters wrote:

Hi Kamil,

On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 09:22 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:


but they don't push on any other solutions.


A link from the http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora page directly
to
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/Fedora_Live_Desktop.html

?


+1

It would be nice if this links is in the get-fedora page.

All the best,
Germán.


To be honest I'm torn myself because I do sometimes use live images for
their try before you buy ability, not necessarily to install to disk
right at that second.  But having an extension installed by default has
a lot of technical ramifications; for example, it'll also get copied to
the hard disk after you install.  Also, while I'm not an artist or
designer, I think it looks pretty ugly...

The whole thing is clearly a mess that needs some high level
streamlining, from the entire process of download from web page (or
receive CD from friend) to the on-disk install first boot.


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Re: How can we make F17 be able to boot on Macs (with or without reFit)

2012-04-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 13:34 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
 On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 22:31 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
  (Note: *DO NOT* run the installer that is on this image. You'll probably 
  end up with a broken grub. Should be fixed soon)
  
  I've put a test image up at 
  http://mjg59.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-Mac-EFI-test.iso - this should work 
  if burned to a CD or dded to a USB stick. Insert, hold down alt, select 
  the Fedora logo. Possible outcomes:
 
 I cannot see the Fedora logo at all. I see 2 additional EFI Boot
 options (I would usually only see rEFIt and Windows, as the firmware
 calls my Linux booting through MBR), and both of them take me to a grub
 prompt that asks me for a kernel to be loaded.
 
 MacBookAir4,1 (2011 11 one)
 
 Did you have a newer version to test?

TC1 is the current state of the art:

http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/17.TC1/

with TC1, we think, the live images written to USB with l-i-t-d (use the
very latest livecd-tools you can find) or dd should boot on at least
most Mactels. The DVD / netinst image written to USB apparently doesn't
work (though the new livecd-tools might change that).

There will be a TC2 shortly incorporating a new anaconda and built with
a new livecd-tools; TC2 written with the very latest livecd-tools
(updates are submitted for 16 and 17) should be the best we can do, and
a significant improvement for EFI / Mac booting, lots of bugs have been
squished. Additionally, it makes dd of the DVD ISO to USB 'just work' -
it will pick up the packages on the USB stick without any manual kernel
parameter addition being needed. Which is cool.

So, long story short - we'll be very interested in reports of
success/failure with TC2 (which should show up tonight or tomorrow)
written with dd or the very latest livecd-tools builds for F16/F17:
livecd-tools-16.14-1.fc16 and livecd-tools-17.10-1.fc17 .
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[Test-Announce] ** RE-SCHEDULED ** 2012-05-02 @ 17:00 UTC - F17 Final Blocker Bug Review #2

2012-04-27 Thread Adam Williamson
# F17 Final Blocker Review meeting #2
# Date: 2012-05-02
# Time: 17:00 UTC [1] (13:00 EDT, 10:00 PDT)
# Location: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net

The second F17 final blocker bug review meeting will be re-scheduled to
Tuesday 2012-05-02 at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-bugzappers, as most regular
attendees are unavailable at the regular time.

We'll be running through the beta blockers and nice-to-haves. An updated
list of blocker bugs is available at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers.

We'll be reviewing the bugs to determine ...

1. Whether they meet the final release criteria [1] and should stay
 on the list
2. Whether they are getting the attention they need

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Final_Release_Criteria

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 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process
 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_nth_bug_process 

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 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
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Re: Proposal for revitalizing the sponsorship process for packaging

2012-04-27 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:08:20PM +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:
 No dia 26 de Abril de 2012 21:35, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com 
 escreveu:
   1) That there was no reason for you to stop your efforts at packaging the
   software for Fedora.
 
 Toshio, I've dropped that package in particular because and moved to
 other stuff, I've got a few active reviews going on for EPEL. See it
 this way, if it was covered, it's more free time to invest in other
 stuff.
 
nod

I don't want to go much further without having input from Simon but in
general, this applies to everyone.  Simon's already maintaining 19 packages.
It makes sense to let someone new take on a package if they've already
submitted a review request and use the knowledge from trying to build your
own package to review and mentor the new person.  It distributes your time
better in the long run.

-Toshio


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[389-devel] please review ticket 207 - RFE - enable attribute that tracks when a password was last set

2012-04-27 Thread Mark Reynolds

https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/207

https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/207/0001-Ticket-207-RFE-enable-attribute-that-tracks-when-a-p.patch

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Re: Eliminating automatic provides on private libs

2012-04-27 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:13:47AM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
 
 I'm going to add a switch to allow packages to control the behavior
 anyway. Whether rpm upstream defaults to the traditional behavior for
 compatibility reasons or not is another question, but Fedora is
 obviously free to override that. Given the packaging guideline
 mandate to eliminate private soname provides from packages it seems
 like a no-brainer to disable faked sonames by default, and require
 the handful of special cases to work around it (adding
 enable-switches to specs) instead of adding disable-switches to
 possibly hundreds of packages to cater for the special cases needs.
 
 Thoughts? This would obviously only change in rawhide.
 
 Oh and of course eliminating the faked soname provides does not
 eliminate all unwanted provides, eg libtool adds a soname even when
 -module is used. But ... you need to start someplace.
 
Will the toggle to turn it on and off work for those libtool generated
modules (as long as there's not public libraries in the same package)?  Is
it possible to turn this on and off per subpackage or is that along the
lines of asking for pretty pink ponies with wings?

Overall seems like a positive change to me.  Let us know the details when
it's changed and we'll add those to the Packaging Guidelines.

-Toshio


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Re: BZ718430 - Unknown Horizons

2012-04-27 Thread Rich Mattes
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Nelson Marques nmo.marq...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all,

 Following a previous thread debate about Unknown Horizons:

  1) I'm available to maintain unknown-horizons (UH) in Fedora and EPEL
 (RHEL6);
  2) For 1) to happen I would like to maintain also FIFE, which doesn't
 seem to see much love for quite some time; I ask this because FIFE
 flagship product is UH itself and the development of both is very
 close... A FIFE release always preceeds a UH release;
  3) If 1) and 2) happen, then I need to maintain also python-enet,
 which provides the python bindings for ENet. In case ENet needs some
 love, then I don't mind taking it also.

 For this to happen, I could use information on the following:

  1) How to check who currently maintains those packages;


You can use the fedora pkgdb at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb.  To
get into contact with the owners of the packages you can either file bugs
against the packages, or email packagename-owner@fedoraproject dot org.


  2) The correct 'modus operandi' to take ownership of those packages;

 You generally don't take ownership of a package that someone else owns
in Fedora, except for when the owner expresses an interest in orphaning the
package and passing ownership along or the owner is non-responsive.  You
can, however, apply to _co-maintain_ the package.  In this case, you gain
rights to commit to the git branch and can submit updates for a package.
 Co-maintainership is up to the discretion of the package owner, you can
apply to co-maintain in the pkgdb (if you are sponsored into the packaging
group,) but you should speak with the package owner first.


 Consider that:

  1) I already provide packages for Fedora and RHEL for at least 1 year
 through OBS. This packages are the ones supported by upstream;
 Providing them on Fedora means I would remove them from OBS and
 replace the current information for Fedora users on UH main website;


That's nice, but Fedora has a much different workflow, especially if you're
working with other package owners to coordinate dependencies and avoid
breakages in the package collection.


  2) I have been sharing jokes and enjoying UH experience with
 upstream, so any issues found can properly be addressed to upstream
 and a rapid response is expected;


Great!  A good relationship with the project upstream is a plus for reports
and fixes/contributions.


  3) In extreme situations I can take ownership of all dependencies
 required (ex: guichan, scons, etc);


This is not necessary.  You can work with the current maintainers if there
are any incompatibilities.


  4) I don't know the Fedora way, so I would rather stick with FIFE and
 UH at the start and when I'm more confortable I can take ownership of
 the rest of the dependencies;

 May I suggest:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainer_responsibilities
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games

Lurking on the -devel and -packaging lists and/or the fedora-devel IRC
channel are also good things to do if you have the time.

 Is this OK? Should I re-open BZ718430?


You should be ok re-opening your review request and continuing the review.
 You should also reach out to the FIFE maintainer as was suggested in the
previous thread, especially if you want to co-maintain FIFE (and perhaps he
can help you maintain UH as well)

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Re: BZ718430 - Unknown Horizons

2012-04-27 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:44:01PM -0400, Rich Mattes wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Nelson Marques nmo.marq...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  1) How to check who currently maintains those packages;
 
 
 You can use the fedora pkgdb at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb.  To get
 into contact with the owners of the packages you can either file bugs against
 the packages, or email packagename-owner@fedoraproject dot org.
  
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/fife
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/enet

PackageDB keeps ownership information per branch (several reasons for this:
the owner may be different between EPEL and Fedora; the owner may want to
orphan a package in Fedora devel but be willing to continue maintaining on
older Fedora releases until they go EOL).

The only difference between an owner and a comaintainer (someone who has all
of the acls on the package) is that the owner is assigned to be the owner in
bugzilla.

  2) The correct 'modus operandi' to take ownership of those packages;
 
 
 You generally don't take ownership of a package that someone else owns in
 Fedora, except for when the owner expresses an interest in orphaning the
 package and passing ownership along or the owner is non-responsive.  You can,
 however, apply to _co-maintain_ the package.  In this case, you gain rights to
 commit to the git branch and can submit updates for a package.  
 Co-maintainership is up to the discretion of the package owner, you can apply
 to co-maintain in the pkgdb (if you are sponsored into the packaging group,)
 but you should speak with the package owner first.  

Just one thing to add here.  Comaintainership responsibility can vary
depending on the circumstances.  I have a few packages where a comaintainer
and I talked and he's pretty much doing all the work.  I only work on the
package if there's something time critical or I can contribute a patch to
the code that the comaintainer can't.  Communication is the key to deciding
what each person is going to do.

An additional plus to comaintainership is that FESCo can sponsor you into
the packager group if the package owner is willing to mentor you.  That
allows more people to do package reviews for you.

  Is this OK? Should I re-open BZ718430?
 
  
 You should be ok re-opening your review request and continuing the review.  
 You
 should also reach out to the FIFE maintainer as was suggested in the previous
 thread, especially if you want to co-maintain FIFE (and perhaps he can help 
 you
 maintain UH as well)
 
A hearty +1 to this.

-Toshio


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[perl-Net-Twitter/f16] Upgrade to 3.18002

2012-04-27 Thread Julian C . Dunn
Summary of changes:

  387342c... Upgrade to 3.18002 (*)

(*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent
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Re: Eliminating automatic provides on private libs

2012-04-27 Thread Michael Stahl
[resent another time because the list automatically rejected my mail]

On 27/04/12 10:13, Panu Matilainen wrote:

[...]

 The short background is that for libraries which dont have a SONAME, 
 rpmbuild fakes one based on the file name. The rationale for this has 
 been that since the linker permits linking to libraries without sonames, 
 rpm must permit this too. The downside is that for the 1% corner cases 
 that need this, we end up polluting the provides namespace with 
 thousands of unnecessary and unwanted names, names that have not been 
 picked up with a global namespace in mind.

[...]

 So... about a third of the soname provides are faked by using library 
 basename for its provide name, and almost all of them are for no good 
 reason. The three general cases that something actually depends on are
 1) libreoffice sub-packages depending on its internal libraries from 
 libreoffice-core

while i'm still quite unfamiliar with RPM or the libreoffice.spec file,
i'm very familiar with LibreOffice upstream; generally with the
exception of the -ure sub-package there are no stable ABIs provided by
the various libraries, so the sub-packages need to depend on the exact
same version of the core package anyway (and no code outside of the
libreoffice source package should have dependencies) which is probably
why the spec file contains this:

Requires: %{name}-core = %{epoch}:%{version}-%{release}

now the URE (UNO runtime environment) subpackage actually provides a
stable ABI and libraries with SONAMEs (in addition to some private
libraries without SONAME for dlopen), all installed in a sub-directory
of /usr/lib/libreoffice, but other than the other libreoffice
sub-packages, which again depend on it with exact version

Requires: %{name}-ure = %{epoch}:%{version}-%{release}

using repoquery i could find only 3 non-libreoffice packages with a
dependency on ure or its libraries in Fedora 16, all of which
LibreOffice extensions (actually 2 of the 3 are the same, once with the
old openoffice.org name), and depending only on the public libraries
with SONAME:

 repoquery --requires openoffice.org-voikko-0:3.1.2-5.fc16.x86_64 
 openoffice.org-diafilter-0:1.7.0-6.fc15.x86_64 
 libreoffice-voikko-0:3.2-4.fc16.x86_64

[...]

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Re: BZ718430 - Unknown Horizons

2012-04-27 Thread Nelson Marques
No dia 27 de Abril de 2012 18:44, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com escreveu:
 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:44:01PM -0400, Rich Mattes wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Nelson Marques nmo.marq...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

      1) How to check who currently maintains those packages;


 You can use the fedora pkgdb at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb.  To 
 get
 into contact with the owners of the packages you can either file bugs against
 the packages, or email packagename-owner@fedoraproject dot org.

 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/fife
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/enet

 PackageDB keeps ownership information per branch (several reasons for this:
 the owner may be different between EPEL and Fedora; the owner may want to
 orphan a package in Fedora devel but be willing to continue maintaining on
 older Fedora releases until they go EOL).

 The only difference between an owner and a comaintainer (someone who has all
 of the acls on the package) is that the owner is assigned to be the owner in
 bugzilla.

      2) The correct 'modus operandi' to take ownership of those packages;


 You generally don't take ownership of a package that someone else owns in
 Fedora, except for when the owner expresses an interest in orphaning the
 package and passing ownership along or the owner is non-responsive.  You can,
 however, apply to _co-maintain_ the package.  In this case, you gain rights 
 to
 commit to the git branch and can submit updates for a package.
 Co-maintainership is up to the discretion of the package owner, you can apply
 to co-maintain in the pkgdb (if you are sponsored into the packaging group,)
 but you should speak with the package owner first.

 Just one thing to add here.  Comaintainership responsibility can vary
 depending on the circumstances.  I have a few packages where a comaintainer
 and I talked and he's pretty much doing all the work.  I only work on the
 package if there's something time critical or I can contribute a patch to
 the code that the comaintainer can't.  Communication is the key to deciding
 what each person is going to do.




 An additional plus to comaintainership is that FESCo can sponsor you into
 the packager group if the package owner is willing to mentor you.  That
 allows more people to do package reviews for you.

      Is this OK? Should I re-open BZ718430?


 You should be ok re-opening your review request and continuing the review.  
 You
 should also reach out to the FIFE maintainer as was suggested in the previous
 thread, especially if you want to co-maintain FIFE (and perhaps he can help 
 you
 maintain UH as well)

 A hearty +1 to this.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=757352

Once this has been fixed :)


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Re: Proposal for revitalizing the sponsorship process for packaging

2012-04-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 22:08:20 +0100,
  Nelson Marques nmo.marq...@gmail.com wrote:


FIFE wasn't maintained for quite some time when that request was
filed. Not pointing fingers, but from the packages I've maintained on
other waters I've always kept my stuff updated and in the shape
possible.


You could also volunteer to co-maintain FIFE. While I'd like to be able to
work on that update, I have other games related packaging work that is
more important to get done right now. If you have time, you could
probably get it done pretty soon.
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Re: Proposal for revitalizing the sponsorship process for packaging

2012-04-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:49:58 -0700,
  Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:


So the big question is -- where did this break down?  How can we update our
documentation to guide people in this direction?


One thing people can do for things obviously covered by a SIG (games in
this case) is to let the SIG know you are planning to package something
of interest.
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Fedora Kernel Meeting 04-27-2012 Minutes

2012-04-27 Thread Josh Boyer
==
#fedora-meeting: Fedora Kernel meeting
==


Meeting started by jwb at 17:59:30 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-04-27/fedora-kernel.2012-04-27-17.59.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init  (jwb, 18:00:06)

* rawhide  (jwb, 18:02:51)
  * Rawhide is at 3.4-rc4-git3.  RCs are coming fairly regularly  (jwb,
18:08:17)

* F17  (jwb, 18:09:37)
  * F17 at 3.3.2.  3.3.4 being built for TC2  (jwb, 18:12:29)

* F16  (jwb, 18:13:56)
  * F16 is on 3.3.2.  3.3.4 will be built and submitted to
updates-testing  (jwb, 18:15:01)
  * LINK:

http://codemonkey.org.uk/2012/04/27/weekly-fedora-kernel-bug-statistics-april-27-2012/
weekly bug statistics  (jwb, 18:19:33)
  * Progress on F16 bug count is being made.  This also helps F15/F17 by
either closing out duplicates or preventing those bugs from being
hit there as all 3 releases are on the same kernel version  (jwb,
18:20:17)

* F15  (jwb, 18:47:05)
  * F15 is at 2.6.43.2 (3.3.2)  (jwb, 18:48:25)

* open floor  (jwb, 18:49:29)

* open floor - darkserver  (jwb, 18:50:06)
  * ACTION: jwb to open bug against darkserver for additional build time
issue  (jwb, 18:52:35)

* open floor  (jwb, 18:53:39)

Meeting ended at 19:00:33 UTC.




Action Items

* jwb to open bug against darkserver for additional build time issue




Action Items, by person
---
* jwb
  * jwb to open bug against darkserver for additional build time issue
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




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---
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* VICODAN_ (63)
* jforbes (31)
* davej (21)
* nirik (14)
* dgilmore (8)
* linville (6)
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Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-27 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kamil Paral (kpa...@redhat.com) said: 
 I find it sad how desktop guys try to veto solutions they don't like,
 but they don't push on any other solutions.

I don't know how proposing and implementing a notification method of doing
the same isn't providing a solution, but you're welcome to your own cross.

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Re: F16-F17 preupgrade (Re: F17 Beta to slip by an additional week.)

2012-04-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 20:05:50 +0200,
  Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com wrote:


Are there any serious known problems with apache, python, php, mysql,
postgresql?


I am using F17 on a machine that use postgres and perl scripts (not
mod_perl though) to generate web pages using apache. Things seem to
be working fine.
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Re: F16-F17 preupgrade (Re: F17 Beta to slip by an additional week.)

2012-04-27 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 19:50 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried to preupgrade from F16 to F17? Are there any problems
 related to UsrMove (or anything else)?

I made the jump via preupgrade and had quite a bit of trouble. A number
of packages didn't get upgraded while some of their dependencies did,
including several that had strict version deps which should have
prevented this.

I ended up with a system that was effectively unusable until I followed
it with a 'yum distro-sync'.

For those wondering where are the BZs, there was too much wrong in my
system for me to be able to get a graphical environment to log into
Bugzilla until after the distro-sync, at which point I no longer had
access to the data I would need to file meaningful bug reports.


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Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-27 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
 I don't know how proposing and implementing a notification method of doing
 the same isn't providing a solution, but you're welcome to your own cross.

Sorry Bill -- I'm confused here.  Was a notification method actually
implemented?  Was it enabled in F17.TC1?  If so, I didn't see it.  Or
was it implemented only for rawhide?

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[Test-Announce] Fedora 17 Final Test Compose 2 (TC2) Available Now!

2012-04-27 Thread Andre Robatino
As per the Fedora 17 schedule [1], Fedora 17 Final Test Compose 2 (TC2)
is now available for testing. Content information, including changes,
can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5163 . Please
see the following pages for download links (including delta ISOs) and
testing instructions. Normally dl.fedoraproject.org should provide the
fastest download, but download-ib01.fedoraproject.org is available as a
mirror (with an approximately 1 hour lag) in case of trouble. To use it,
just replace dl with download-ib01 in the download URL.

Installation:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

Base:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test

Desktop:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

Security Lab:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Security_Lab_Test

Ideally, all Alpha, Beta, and Final priority test cases for Installation
[2], Base [3], Desktop [4], and Security Lab [5] should pass in order to
meet the Final Release Criteria [6]. Help is available on #fedora-qa on
irc.freenode.net [7], or on the test list [8].

Create Fedora 17 Final test compose (TC) - live and traditional
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5163

Fedora 17 Final Blocker tracker bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=752650

Fedora 17 Final Nice-To-Have tracker bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=752653

[1] http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-quality-tasks.html
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Installation_validation_testing
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Base_validation_testing
[4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Desktop_validation_testing
[5] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Security_Lab_validation_testing
[6] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Final_Release_Criteria
[7] irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora-qa
[8] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test



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File Devel-GlobalDestruction-0.05.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2012-04-27 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction:

e99ef189e9f85549e42c32b5168f7f47  Devel-GlobalDestruction-0.05.tar.gz
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[perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction] Update to 0.05

2012-04-27 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 99282210101eab75400937c9514dbc79efd45249
Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org
Date:   Fri Apr 27 11:38:02 2012 +0100

Update to 0.05

- New upstream release 0.05
  - Add pure-perl implementation for situations where neither 
${^GLOBAL_PHASE}
nor XS are available
- This release by DOY - update source URL
- BR: perl(XSLoader) only if we're doing an XS build, and in that case add a
  runtime dependency on it and BR: perl(ExtUtils::CBuilder) ≥ 0.27 too
- Add runtime dependency on perl(Carp)
- Drop %defattr, redundant since rpm 4.4

 perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction.spec |   24 ++--
 sources   |2 +-
 2 files changed, 19 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction.spec 
b/perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction.spec
index 73f72cb..182932f 100644
--- a/perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction.spec
+++ b/perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction.spec
@@ -2,21 +2,25 @@
 %global noarch_package %(perl -e 'print (($] = 5.013007) ? 1 : 0);')
 
 Name:  perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction
-Version:   0.04
+Version:   0.05
 Release:   1%{?dist}
 License:   GPL+ or Artistic
 Group: Development/Libraries
 Summary:   Expose PL_dirty, the flag that marks global destruction
 Url:   http://search.cpan.org/dist/Devel-GlobalDestruction
-Source:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/F/FL/FLORA/Devel-GlobalDestruction-%{version}.tar.gz
+Source:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/D/DO/DOY/Devel-GlobalDestruction-%{version}.tar.gz
+BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(id -nu)
 %if %{noarch_package}
 BuildArch: noarch
+%else
+BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::CBuilder) = 0.27
+BuildRequires: perl(XSLoader)
+Requires:  perl(XSLoader)
 %endif
-BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(id -nu)
 BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 BuildRequires: perl(Sub::Exporter)
-BuildRequires: perl(XSLoader)
 Requires:  perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `perl -V:version`; echo $version))
+Requires:  perl(Carp)
 
 # Don't provide private Perl libs
 %{?perl_default_filter}
@@ -44,7 +48,6 @@ rm -rf %{buildroot}
 make pure_install DESTDIR=%{buildroot}
 find %{buildroot} -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} ';'
 find %{buildroot} -type f -name '*.bs' -a -size 0 -exec rm -f {} ';'
-find %{buildroot} -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} ';' 2/dev/null
 %{_fixperms} %{buildroot}
 
 %check
@@ -54,7 +57,6 @@ make test
 rm -rf %{buildroot}
 
 %files
-%defattr(-,root,root,-)
 %doc Changes t/
 %if %{noarch_package}
 %{perl_vendorlib}/Devel/
@@ -65,6 +67,16 @@ rm -rf %{buildroot}
 %{_mandir}/man3/Devel::GlobalDestruction.3pm*
 
 %changelog
+* Fri Apr 27 2012 Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org - 0.05-1
+- Update to 0.05
+  - Add pure-perl implementation for situations where neither ${^GLOBAL_PHASE}
+nor XS are available
+- This release by DOY - update source URL
+- BR: perl(XSLoader) only if we're doing an XS build, and in that case add a
+  runtime dependency on it and BR: perl(ExtUtils::CBuilder) ≥ 0.27 too
+- Add runtime dependency on perl(Carp)
+- Drop %%defattr, redundant since rpm 4.4
+
 * Fri Jan 13 2012 Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org - 0.04-1
 - Update to 0.04
   - To detect a perl with ${^GLOBAL_PHASE}, check for the feature itself
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 23f804b..c3f435c 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-823ee705f0c1c59cbf73cbab5bdf08f7  Devel-GlobalDestruction-0.04.tar.gz
+e99ef189e9f85549e42c32b5168f7f47  Devel-GlobalDestruction-0.05.tar.gz
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[perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction/f17] Update to 0.05

2012-04-27 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes:

  9928221... Update to 0.05 (*)

(*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent
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[perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction] Created tag perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction-0.05-1.fc17

2012-04-27 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction-0.05-1.fc17' was created 
pointing to:

 9928221... Update to 0.05
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[perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction] Created tag perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction-0.05-1.fc18

2012-04-27 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Devel-GlobalDestruction-0.05-1.fc18' was created 
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File Debug-Client-0.20.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by mmaslano

2012-04-27 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Debug-Client:

d5250a44e0753bc975e9afba7a63e8b6  Debug-Client-0.20.tar.gz
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2012-04-27 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Test-Moose-More:

1545212890dd575341e03b6317f41c6e  Test-Moose-More-0.009.tar.gz
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[perl-Test-Moose-More] 0.009 bump

2012-04-27 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 7ff1451642f52720101191265750d6599cc652ba
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date:   Fri Apr 27 13:09:37 2012 +0200

0.009 bump

 .gitignore|1 +
 perl-Test-Moose-More.spec |7 +--
 sources   |2 +-
 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index aceddd1..46817bd 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -2,3 +2,4 @@
 /Test-Moose-More-0.006.tar.gz
 /Test-Moose-More-0.007.tar.gz
 /Test-Moose-More-0.008.tar.gz
+/Test-Moose-More-0.009.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Test-Moose-More.spec b/perl-Test-Moose-More.spec
index 883f57c..6f8ff25 100644
--- a/perl-Test-Moose-More.spec
+++ b/perl-Test-Moose-More.spec
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 Name:   perl-Test-Moose-More
-Version:0.008
+Version:0.009
 Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:More tools for testing Moose packages
 License:LGPLv2+
@@ -9,6 +9,7 @@ Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/R/RS/RSRCHBOY/Test-Moose-More-%{v
 BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 # Runt-time:
+BuildRequires:  perl(Data::OptList)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Moose::Util)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Scalar::Util)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Sub::Exporter)
@@ -23,7 +24,6 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(Moose::Role)
 BuildRequires:  perl(MooseX::AttributeShortcuts)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Builder::Tester)
 # Optional tests:
-# Test::Requires is needed only for author tests which we do not run
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Script) = 1.05
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 Requires:   perl(Test::More) = 0.88
@@ -58,6 +58,9 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Fri Apr 27 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 0.009-1
+- 0.009 bump
+
 * Mon Apr 16 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 0.008-1
 - 0.008 bump
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 80d467f..b5189de 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-db5052fcdaa2238220dcd148b66ef68f  Test-Moose-More-0.008.tar.gz
+1545212890dd575341e03b6317f41c6e  Test-Moose-More-0.009.tar.gz
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[perl-Debug-Client] 0.20 bump - apply changed patch for tests

2012-04-27 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 7b0f0f525a6628fd1b19be9dfc1636153715e8b5
Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com
Date:   Fri Apr 27 13:19:24 2012 +0200

0.20 bump
- apply changed patch for tests

 .gitignore |1 +
 ...Client-0.18-Do-not-use-Term-ReadLine-Perl.patch |   32 
 ...Client-0.20-Do-not-use-Term-ReadLine-Perl.patch |   18 +++
 perl-Debug-Client.spec |7 +++-
 sources|2 +-
 5 files changed, 25 insertions(+), 35 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index fa25dab..cb87778 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
 Debug-Client-0.11.tar.gz
 /Debug-Client-0.16.tar.gz
 /Debug-Client-0.18.tar.gz
+/Debug-Client-0.20.tar.gz
diff --git a/Debug-Client-0.20-Do-not-use-Term-ReadLine-Perl.patch 
b/Debug-Client-0.20-Do-not-use-Term-ReadLine-Perl.patch
new file mode 100644
index 000..a584560
--- /dev/null
+++ b/Debug-Client-0.20-Do-not-use-Term-ReadLine-Perl.patch
@@ -0,0 +1,18 @@
+diff -up Debug-Client-0.20/t/01-Debug-Client.t.old 
Debug-Client-0.20/t/01-Debug-Client.t
+--- Debug-Client-0.20/t/01-Debug-Client.t.old  2012-04-09 11:00:53.0 
+0200
 Debug-Client-0.20/t/01-Debug-Client.t  2012-04-27 13:17:18.710857838 
+0200
+@@ -1,13 +1,12 @@
+ use 5.008006;
+ use Test::More;
+-plan( tests = 42 );
++plan( tests = 41 );
+ 
+ use_ok( 'Carp', '1.20' );
+ use_ok( 'IO::Socket',   '1.31' );
+ use_ok( 'IO::Socket::INET', '1.31' );
+ use_ok( 'PadWalker','1.92' );
+ use_ok( 'Term::ReadLine',   '1.07' );
+-use_ok( 'Term::ReadLine::Perl', '1.0303' );
+ 
+ use_ok( 'Test::More','0.98' );
+ use_ok( 'Test::Deep','0.108' );
diff --git a/perl-Debug-Client.spec b/perl-Debug-Client.spec
index 2b5d9f0..306922b 100644
--- a/perl-Debug-Client.spec
+++ b/perl-Debug-Client.spec
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 Name:   perl-Debug-Client
-Version:0.18
+Version:0.20
 Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Client side code for perl debugger
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ Group:  Development/Libraries
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Debug-Client/
 Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/B/BO/BOWTIE/Debug-Client-%{version}.tar.gz
 # Tests fail with Term::ReadLine::Perl
-Patch0: Debug-Client-0.18-Do-not-use-Term-ReadLine-Perl.patch
+Patch0: Debug-Client-0.20-Do-not-use-Term-ReadLine-Perl.patch
 BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  perl(inc::Module::Install::DSL) = 1.04
 # Run-time
@@ -56,6 +56,9 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Tue Apr 10 2012 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com - 0.20-1
+- 0.20 bump
+
 * Thu Mar 15 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 0.18-1
 - 0.18 bump
 - Correct dependencies
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index c3a60a7..17a94b0 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-a4391fb6e3a837fc6441d819e67a7ac5  Debug-Client-0.18.tar.gz
+d5250a44e0753bc975e9afba7a63e8b6  Debug-Client-0.20.tar.gz
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File Test-CPAN-Meta-0.21.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2012-04-27 Thread Petr Pisar
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949b5867708c1fe5a3ac51cdcb25eaea  Test-CPAN-Meta-0.21.tar.gz
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[perl-File-DesktopEntry] apply patch from MozBug for fixing encoding of utf-8 files 816809, cpan#76843

2012-04-27 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 56d74b890c2b142305445081693d7245ba01d216
Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com
Date:   Fri Apr 27 13:32:44 2012 +0200

apply patch from MozBug for fixing encoding of utf-8 files 816809, 
cpan#76843

 File-DesktopEntry-encode.patch |   19 +++
 perl-File-DesktopEntry.spec|8 +++-
 2 files changed, 26 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/File-DesktopEntry-encode.patch b/File-DesktopEntry-encode.patch
new file mode 100644
index 000..8cf08c6
--- /dev/null
+++ b/File-DesktopEntry-encode.patch
@@ -0,0 +1,19 @@
+diff -up File-DesktopEntry-0.04/lib/File/DesktopEntry.pm.old 
File-DesktopEntry-0.04/lib/File/DesktopEntry.pm
+--- File-DesktopEntry-0.04/lib/File/DesktopEntry.pm.old2007-11-04 
21:34:20.0 +0100
 File-DesktopEntry-0.04/lib/File/DesktopEntry.pm2012-04-27 
13:28:58.403493320 +0200
+@@ -3,6 +3,7 @@ package File::DesktopEntry;
+ use strict;
+ use vars qw/$AUTOLOAD/;
+ use Carp;
++use Encode;
+ use File::Spec;
+ use File::BaseDir 0.03 qw/data_files data_home/;
+ 
+@@ -333,6 +334,7 @@ sub parse_Exec {
+   push @exec, '--icon', $icon if defined($icon);
+   }
+   else { # expand with word ( e.g. --input=%f )
++  $_ = encode_utf8($_);
+   my $bad;
+   s/\%(.)/
+   ($1 eq '%') ? '%':
diff --git a/perl-File-DesktopEntry.spec b/perl-File-DesktopEntry.spec
index 2b022aa..96e3909 100644
--- a/perl-File-DesktopEntry.spec
+++ b/perl-File-DesktopEntry.spec
@@ -1,12 +1,14 @@
 Name:   perl-File-DesktopEntry
 Version:0.04
-Release:15%{?dist}
+Release:16%{?dist}
 Summary:Object to handle .desktop files
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/File-DesktopEntry/
 Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/P/PA/PARDUS/File-DesktopEntry/File-DesktopEntry-%{version}.tar.gz
 BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
+#http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=76843
+Patch0: File-DesktopEntry-encode.patch
 BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) perl(Module::Build)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More) perl(Test::Pod) perl(Test::Pod::Coverage)
@@ -21,6 +23,7 @@ module version 0.9.4 of the specification was used.
 
 %prep
 %setup -q -n File-DesktopEntry-%{version}
+%patch0 -p1
 
 %build
 %{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
@@ -49,6 +52,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Fri Apr 27 2012 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com - 0.04-15
+- apply patch from MozBug for fixing encoding of utf-8 files 816809, cpan#76843
+
 * Fri Jan 13 2012 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 0.04-15
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass_Rebuild
 
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2012-04-27 Thread Iain Arnell
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[perl-Net-Twitter/f17] Upgrade to 3.18002

2012-04-27 Thread Julian C . Dunn
Summary of changes:

  387342c... Upgrade to 3.18002 (*)

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[perl-Net-Twitter/f15] Upgrade to 3.18002

2012-04-27 Thread Julian C . Dunn
Summary of changes:

  387342c... Upgrade to 3.18002 (*)

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[perl-Role-Tiny] update to 1.001001

2012-04-27 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 1019d3ed2d094b29b7479250cdde97bbcc36febe
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date:   Fri Apr 27 18:32:23 2012 -0600

update to 1.001001

 .gitignore  |1 +
 perl-Role-Tiny.spec |   11 +++
 sources |2 +-
 3 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index aa1e1d2..e3ff09b 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1,2 +1,3 @@
 /Role-Tiny-1.00.tar.gz
 /Role-Tiny-1.01.tar.gz
+/Role-Tiny-1.001001.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Role-Tiny.spec b/perl-Role-Tiny.spec
index 8595150..ffc8cdb 100644
--- a/perl-Role-Tiny.spec
+++ b/perl-Role-Tiny.spec
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 Name:   perl-Role-Tiny
-Version:1.01
+Version:1.001001
 Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:A nouvelle cuisine portion size slice of Moose
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
@@ -9,11 +9,11 @@ Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/M/MS/MSTROUT/Role-Tiny-%{version}
 BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  perl(constant)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Class::Method::Modifiers)
+BuildRequires:  perl(Data::Dumper)
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Fatal) = 0.003
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More) = 0.96
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
-Requires:   perl(Class::Method::Modifiers)
 
 # perl-Role-Tiny was split from perl-Moo
 Conflicts:  perl-Moo  0.009014
@@ -34,7 +34,6 @@ make %{?_smp_mflags}
 make pure_install DESTDIR=%{buildroot}
 
 find %{buildroot} -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \;
-find %{buildroot} -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \;
 
 %{_fixperms} %{buildroot}/*
 
@@ -47,6 +46,10 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Fri Apr 27 2012 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 1.001001-1
+- update to latest upstream version
+- don't explicity require Class::Method::Modifiers
+
 * Wed Apr 04 2012 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 1.01-1
 - update to latest upstream version
 
@@ -55,7 +58,7 @@ make test
   distributed as part of Moo
 
 * Mon Apr 02 2012 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 1.00-2
-- fix spelling of cuisinse in summary
+- fix spelling of cuisine in summary
 
 * Sun Apr 01 2012 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 1.00-1
 - Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.79.
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 6b9a6ed..8f8e307 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-f563b6f0c9fea55349aa0ff23240268c  Role-Tiny-1.01.tar.gz
+a496d29d811ad19640f504aeca3d348c  Role-Tiny-1.001001.tar.gz
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Fedora Elections: General information, and questionnaire opening.

2012-04-27 Thread Robyn Bergeron

GREETINGS!

It is once again time for election season to begin.  As noted in the 
elections schedule[1], the elections questionnaire is now open to 
populate with questions for candidates, and will close on May 8th.  The 
elections nomination period will begin AFTER the questionnaire period 
has closed.


You may add your burning questions for candidates to answer here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_elections_questionnaire

The following seats are available in this election:

* Fedora Project Board: 3 seats
* FESCo (Fedora Engineering Steering Committee):  5 seats
* FAmSCo (Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee): 7 seats

Please take note of the following changes for this election:

* All questions for the questionnaire must be submitted by May 8th, 
prior to the beginning of nominations. As seen in the schedule above, 
the nomination period does not start until May 9th.
* As noted on announce-list[2], FAmSCo is electing all 7 seats this 
cycle, with the goal of having staggered elections similar to the Board 
and FESCo. Additionally, voting eligibility has been widened to allow 
anyone who has signed the FPCA AND is a member of at least one 
additional non-FPCA/CLA group. (In other words: No longer just 
ambassadors, but those part of other teams as well.)


Full election information may be seen here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections

Participating in these bodies are one of many ways to contribute to 
Fedora; I encourage you to consider running, or to urge those you 
believe are excellent candidates to run.  Additionally, your 
contributions are welcomed in helping to keep the elections running 
smoothly; volunteers are needed to help collect questionnaire answers 
from candidates, as well as for scheduling and moderating town halls.  
If you are interested in helping with those efforts, please contact John 
Rose[3].


And a big thank you! to John for coordinating the elections thus far, 
your efforts are very much appreciated.


-Robyn

[1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#Committee_Elections_Schedule
[2]http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2012-April/003063.html
[3]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Inode0

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