On February 3, 2024 8:55:42 PM CST, Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>Neal Gompa wrote:
>> It's extremely obvious that people want to use it. You replied to
>> someone who did and denigrated their opinion. Frankly, I'm
>> disappointed in your response as well as the tone of you and Kevin.
>
>I cannot really speak for Sérgio. I do think his choice of words in the
>particular mail you are referring to could have been better. (In particular,
>I would not have used the word "crap" there.) But please keep in mind that
>he (like me) is not a native English speaker.
>
>I can, though, speak for myself, and I am frankly surprised that you are
>offended by the tone of my messages. Are you sure that it is not the content
>that upsets you rather than the tone? And if it is, try asking you why the
>content upsets you. Maybe because it points out inconvenient facts?
>
>> Neither of you are aligning with the Fedora Foundation of Friends, and
>> the personal attacks were unwarranted and unwanted.
>
>We (the KDE SIG and me) stopped being Friends when you (the KDE SIG)
>unilaterally decided to ban me from all your communication channels, a ban
>that has still not been lifted years after the alleged misconduct (on IRC
>only, but the ban was extended to the mailing list and even your Pagure
>issue trackers!) you accused me of.
Wait, you're banned from all the KDE channels in Fedora? I have no idea what
led to that, though the KDE SIG doesn't have a track record of handing those
kind of bans out flippantly. But regardless, that calls into question your
position as an unbiased observer.
>
>Nevertheless, I am really trying hard to not make this personal. What I
>disagree with is the technical decision to remove X11 support from the
>Fedora Plasma packaging. I also objected right when you filed your Change
>Proposal that the KDE SIG has no authority to declare in the Change that
>Fedora will NOT ship something because other packagers are free to package
>it. A belief that at the time was actually shared by the KDE SIG, or at
>least by the one KDE SIG member who has publicly commented on it:
>https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-proposal-kde-plasma-6-system-wide/89794/11
>Though the wording in the Change Proposal was not changed. Possibly because
>you did not believe at the time that I was serious about submitting those
>packages, just like others did not believe you were serious about removing
>X11 support from Plasma packaging. But I am of the kind that when I promise
>something, I tend to deliver on it.
>
>> What we're doing is bold for sure, but aligns with two more of the Fedora
>> Foundations, First and Features.
>
>I can see how it aligns with "First", but how does removing a major feature
>that users rely on align with "Features"?
>
>I also believe that denying users the choice of continuing to use X11
>despite upstream still supporting it does not align with the "Freedom" and
>"Friends" principles.
>
>> And for the first time in a long time, Fedora KDE has generated
>> significant buzz in the community and media.
>
>Any press is good press? I believe that the coverage only hurts the
>reputation of the Fedora KDE SIG. If you see the discussions, many people
>are grabbing their virtual pitchforks, or silently switching distributions
>as a result of the news (even though it is actually fake news because I had
>already stated back in September that I would reintroduce the X11 packages
>should you remove them, a fact that the press has not bothered researching).
>Sure, there are some very vocal fanboys screaming "Death to X11!", but I
>really do not understand why, because nobody is forcing them to use X11.
>There is no need to remove X11 to make Wayland great.
>
>> I'm excited for the future of Fedora KDE with Plasma Wayland, as well
>> as what we're doing with the upstream KDE community. :)
>
>And nobody is taking that away.
>
>Kevin Kofler
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