Re: service iptables save, systemctl, and unhelpful error messages

2012-02-15 Thread Slava Zanko
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15.02.2012 17:45, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:

> Thomas Woerner has been working on a more user friendly firewall
> solution for Fedora so firewall solution is in a bit of state of flux in
> Fedora at this point in time and explains why things are as they are.
> 
> He was going to push this in at the same time as systemd as in Fedora
> F15 but due to various reasons he backed out of it at that time.
> ( but it is one of F17 features )
> 
> Experienced admins dont use service iptables blah anyway ( they use
> iptables commands directly ) so it hardly matters to them documentation
> should however be updated for those that actually use service iptables
> blah to point this out so you should file a DOC bug for it.

Experienced admins use shorewall (http://www.shorewall.net/). Would be
cool if this firewall implementation will be default in Fedora.


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Re: Shell commands like to OS/2 shell (or MS PowerShell)

2010-04-20 Thread Slava Zanko
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drago01 wrote:
>> I also against making it global by default. But this can be done
>> in separate folder, not to standard /usr/bin, and then added for
>> users who want it just add it into PATH.
Yep, of course. This idea unobtrusive and don't hard for realization,
but much harder for standartization between people (and distros) :)
>> I not sure what I want it, but sometimes really hard understand
>> by name what do command and from which area it is.
> That is what man command is for ...
Sometime I know what I want, but I don't know is standart utility
present for this.
For example, I need for grep'ing some user from users list on my host.
How do it with 'man' utility? How I should guess about 'getent
passwd'? and what records more readable:

test $(getent passwd| grep -c '^someuser:') -eq 0 && useradd someuser
or
test $(system.user.list| grep -c '^someuser:') -eq 0 &&
system.user.add someuser


getent group | grep '^somegroup:'
or
system.group.list | grep '^someuser:'

For guru's of course much readable first variant :)


Or in additional we may have aliases for:

editor.txt => 

editor.txt.sed => /usr/bin/sed
editor.txt.vim => /usr/bin/vim
editor.txt.joe => ...
editor.txt.gedit
editor.txt.kwrite
editor.img.gimp
editor.sound.guitar-newbie
etc

what happens after edit? You'll see 'editor'. Type 't' and press
. Press  key for start preferred editor or just press
 key again and you'll see editors (and only editors). Of course,
some utilities may present in few categories... And of course, my
names of programs just for example.


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Re: Shell commands like to OS/2 shell (or MS PowerShell)

2010-04-20 Thread Slava Zanko
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Frank Murphy wrote:
> Bookmark this: http://ss64.com/bash/
I know about :) This idea just try for standartization of command
names... I know about posix and LSB,  but these standards  don't make
logic in the names of commands. Okay, as I see, this idea  don't have
interest for most...

To All: in any case, thanks for attention.


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Shell commands like to OS/2 shell (or MS PowerShell)

2010-04-19 Thread Slava Zanko
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Hi folk,

I want to propose new idea about names of command line utilites...

For example, all present utilites have sence just for guru's (ls, rm,
fsck etc), but for novies it's hard to use. Is good idea to symlink'ing
(shell aliasing) these and much more utilz to another names? Like to:

ls -> filesystem.list
rm -> filesystem.remove
fsck.* -> filesystem.check.*
mkfs.* -> filesystem.make.*
convert -> media.convert.image
mencoder -> media.convert.video
oggenc -> media.convert.audio.ogg
mplayer -> media.player.*

etc

This idea will be easy to realize (need to make at first time one rpm
package with lot of symlinks... and then long-time work in all present
rpm-packages for respect this technology). But we need for
standartization of alias names... in ideal case, standartization must
touch all distros (new standard?)

P.S. This not my idea. Originally from:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux.org.ru%2Fforum%2Ftalks%2F4797323&sl=ru&tl=en

Thanks for attention.

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Re: Bugzilla reaction time

2010-03-16 Thread Slava Zanko
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Сергей Варюхин wrote:
> What are reaction time at bugzilla?
- From few second to few years...

> I was write some commentaries at
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557010 and wait for
> developers reaction.  About one week already. Does i do something
> wrong or it normally?

Don't worry, all ok.

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Re: Proposal: /lib/init/rw

2010-02-04 Thread Slava Zanko
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Bill Nottingham wrote:

> My bikeshedding opinion is /lib/init/state might be better. But if
> it's just to be temporary, why isn't /dev/.initramfs OK?
+1.

After starting udev daemon old content of /dev catalog  will be hidden
(/dev/.initramfs too). So this better than /lib/init will always visible.

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