Re: service iptables save, systemctl, and unhelpful error messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 15.02.2012 17:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Thomas Woerner has been working on a more user friendly firewall solution for Fedora so firewall solution is in a bit of state of flux in Fedora at this point in time and explains why things are as they are. He was going to push this in at the same time as systemd as in Fedora F15 but due to various reasons he backed out of it at that time. ( but it is one of F17 features ) Experienced admins dont use service iptables blah anyway ( they use iptables commands directly ) so it hardly matters to them documentation should however be updated for those that actually use service iptables blah to point this out so you should file a DOC bug for it. Experienced admins use shorewall (http://www.shorewall.net/). Would be cool if this firewall implementation will be default in Fedora. - -- WBR, Slavaz. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk88shsACgkQb3oGR6aVLpqd1gCfWrjkcDbAG1Jg7TEC/OY13ub2 lgUAnA3nnjFoTZdNgy8xf7UcjsxAippQ =MtEX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Shell commands like to OS/2 shell (or MS PowerShell)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Murphy wrote: Bookmark this: http://ss64.com/bash/ I know about :) This idea just try for standartization of command names... I know about posix and LSB, but these standards don't make logic in the names of commands. Okay, as I see, this idea don't have interest for most... To All: in any case, thanks for attention. - -- WBR, Slavaz. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLzVDzb3oGR6aVLpoRAuIcAJ4qqkjvdiJrI/HugEK9igYKMrdFFACePVrB XpjNndoiHl0fgk44C/SGIK8= =tyjV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Shell commands like to OS/2 shell (or MS PowerShell)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 drago01 wrote: I also against making it global by default. But this can be done in separate folder, not to standard /usr/bin, and then added for users who want it just add it into PATH. Yep, of course. This idea unobtrusive and don't hard for realization, but much harder for standartization between people (and distros) :) I not sure what I want it, but sometimes really hard understand by name what do command and from which area it is. That is what man command is for ... Sometime I know what I want, but I don't know is standart utility present for this. For example, I need for grep'ing some user from users list on my host. How do it with 'man' utility? How I should guess about 'getent passwd'? and what records more readable: test $(getent passwd| grep -c '^someuser:') -eq 0 useradd someuser or test $(system.user.list| grep -c '^someuser:') -eq 0 system.user.add someuser getent group | grep '^somegroup:' or system.group.list | grep '^someuser:' For guru's of course much readable first variant :) Or in additional we may have aliases for: editor.txt = your preferred editor editor.txt.sed = /usr/bin/sed editor.txt.vim = /usr/bin/vim editor.txt.joe = ... editor.txt.gedit editor.txt.kwrite editor.img.gimp editor.sound.guitar-newbie etc what happens after edittab? You'll see 'editor'. Type 't' and press tab. Press enter key for start preferred editor or just press tab key again and you'll see editors (and only editors). Of course, some utilities may present in few categories... And of course, my names of programs just for example. - -- WBR, Slavaz. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLzat7b3oGR6aVLpoRAvtbAJ0dMLqtmIk0RujlCRYirDldui5s8wCggl5m +FxH9JZo7L03ByFaEkWknGc= =+Bfp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Shell commands like to OS/2 shell (or MS PowerShell)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folk, I want to propose new idea about names of command line utilites... For example, all present utilites have sence just for guru's (ls, rm, fsck etc), but for novies it's hard to use. Is good idea to symlink'ing (shell aliasing) these and much more utilz to another names? Like to: ls - filesystem.list rm - filesystem.remove fsck.* - filesystem.check.* mkfs.* - filesystem.make.* convert - media.convert.image mencoder - media.convert.video oggenc - media.convert.audio.ogg mplayer - media.player.* etc This idea will be easy to realize (need to make at first time one rpm package with lot of symlinks... and then long-time work in all present rpm-packages for respect this technology). But we need for standartization of alias names... in ideal case, standartization must touch all distros (new standard?) P.S. This not my idea. Originally from: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=yprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux.org.ru%2Fforum%2Ftalks%2F4797323sl=rutl=en Thanks for attention. - -- WBR, Slavaz. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvM3mYACgkQb3oGR6aVLppnNQCeNDVZS37Y3/J7nBrsXDMM32rN H48An1dWzW/TKGzcrIZ7pPZjaehEO9mm =iD/i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Bugzilla reaction time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Сергей Варюхин wrote: What are reaction time at bugzilla? - From few second to few years... I was write some commentaries at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557010 and wait for developers reaction. About one week already. Does i do something wrong or it normally? Don't worry, all ok. - -- WBR, Slavaz. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLn3Jrb3oGR6aVLpoRAq/DAJ4sSa3P4crKMFgP/VmsPXzXEgNesgCfRS8n kdrEvQHx41tGbUHi9vhXhNI= =lER1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proposal: /lib/init/rw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Nottingham wrote: My bikeshedding opinion is /lib/init/state might be better. But if it's just to be temporary, why isn't /dev/.initramfs OK? +1. After starting udev daemon old content of /dev catalog will be hidden (/dev/.initramfs too). So this better than /lib/init will always visible. - -- WBR, Slavaz. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLauwub3oGR6aVLpoRAn69AJ4nvrHYYI1FMfLdh40hcprdqe2mGwCcCuse L9btJTN3xag2GQ5m5Q609dc= =uVmS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
