Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 12:17:57AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.09.2013 20:26, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: Have your filed a BZ? What's the BZ#? don't get me wrong but i expect bugs viewable at every single boot as fixed without a specific report and to be honest not existing at all by a wiser release-name selection or drop the useless release-names at all My response is more along the lines of if it's worth posting about in a mailing list, it's worth filing a bug to get it fixed. -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.fedorapeople.org/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgpe4L7E7PZfC.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 07:07:46PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: don't get me wrong but i expect bugs viewable at every single boot as fixed without a specific report a http://www.redhat.com/magazine/020jun06/features/bugzilla/ +1 -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.fedorapeople.org/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgpr0X_5OdwVs.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
Am 06.09.2013 05:21, schrieb Matthew Garrett: On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 12:33:40AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: whay is Fedora starting with this crap exatly with the release having a short-minded name with special chars not properly handeled by the whole OS? You're sending email to the development mailing list, so you're presumably a developer. In which case, perhaps you'd be willing to spend the time that you're currently using to send angry mails to the list to improve grub's support for Unicode characters when using VGA text mode? primary i send a mail to the devel-list because it is a fedora development problem making decisions for a release, find out very soon that this decision is technically problematic but insist on it and happy release no idea how as a PHP developer i should change GRUB here nor the fact that F19 is ignoring my configurations and insists changing them signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 11:26:39PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 05.09.2013 23:11, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 10:11:51PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: * there is *nothing* in this configuration referring to the release name /boot/grub2/grub.cfg is generated via the grub2-mkconfig script, which uses settings from /etc/default/grub. /etc/default/grub uses the content from /etc/system-release to set the distributor value: GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release) /etc/system-release contains the name of the Fedora release. Did you change either /etc/default/grub or grub2-mkconfig? i simply edited /boot/grub2/grub.cfg and after that i expect *nothing* to add the release name *but* a lter kernel updates is adding it again i am using Fedor since Fedora Core 3 and i am maintaining more than 20 fedora setups and *before* F19 nobody and nothing touched grub.cfg due kernel update slike F19 and as shown before GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR does *not* contain this crap [root@testserver:~]$ cat /etc/default/grub | grep DISTR GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Fedora this file should not matter as in the past Have your filed a BZ? What's the BZ#? -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.fedorapeople.org/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgpnnZPrBTRjw.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On Sex, 2013-09-06 at 10:18 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.09.2013 05:21, schrieb Matthew Garrett: On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 12:33:40AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: whay is Fedora starting with this crap exatly with the release having a short-minded name with special chars not properly handeled by the whole OS? You're sending email to the development mailing list, so you're presumably a developer. In which case, perhaps you'd be willing to spend the time that you're currently using to send angry mails to the list to improve grub's support for Unicode characters when using VGA text mode? primary i send a mail to the devel-list because it is a fedora development problem making decisions for a release, find out very soon that this decision is technically problematic but insist on it and happy release no idea how as a PHP developer i should change GRUB here nor the fact that F19 is ignoring my configurations and insists changing them yep , grubby does install with his configuration . vi /sbin/new-kernel-pkg line 181 if [ -n $banner ]; then title=$banner ($version) elif [ -f /etc/os-release ]; then . /etc/os-release title=$NAME ($version) $VERSION elif [ -f /etc/redhat-release ]; then title=$(sed 's/ release.*$//' /etc/redhat-release) ($version) else title=Red Hat Linux ($version) fi I do know how set banner and I assume that is not set so next else if . /etc/os-release you may change title=$NAME ($version) $VERSION to title=$NAME ($version) and you have your problem solved . bottom line, this should be reported on bugzilla as an RFE , asking to add to grubby a custom name ... -- Sérgio M. B. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
Am 06.09.2013 20:26, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 11:26:39PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 05.09.2013 23:11, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 10:11:51PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: * there is *nothing* in this configuration referring to the release name /boot/grub2/grub.cfg is generated via the grub2-mkconfig script, which uses settings from /etc/default/grub. /etc/default/grub uses the content from /etc/system-release to set the distributor value: GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release) /etc/system-release contains the name of the Fedora release. Did you change either /etc/default/grub or grub2-mkconfig? i simply edited /boot/grub2/grub.cfg and after that i expect *nothing* to add the release name *but* a lter kernel updates is adding it again i am using Fedor since Fedora Core 3 and i am maintaining more than 20 fedora setups and *before* F19 nobody and nothing touched grub.cfg due kernel update slike F19 and as shown before GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR does *not* contain this crap [root@testserver:~]$ cat /etc/default/grub | grep DISTR GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Fedora this file should not matter as in the past Have your filed a BZ? What's the BZ#? don't get me wrong but i expect bugs viewable at every single boot as fixed without a specific report and to be honest not existing at all by a wiser release-name selection or drop the useless release-names at all signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
Hi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: don't get me wrong but i expect bugs viewable at every single boot as fixed without a specific report a http://www.redhat.com/magazine/020jun06/features/bugzilla/ Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
do we get this annoying wrong display in GRUB fixed inside the F19 lifetime or *at least* if i remove it from /boot/grub2/grub.cfg and have only Fedora (3.10.10-200.fc19.x86_64) get away insist at *every* kernel update add 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) again? in previous releases nobody and nothing added release name and version as long someone did not call grub2-mkconfig and now with the broken release name this starts? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On Qui, 2013-09-05 at 16:35 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: do we get this annoying wrong display in GRUB fixed inside the F19 lifetime or *at least* if i remove it from /boot/grub2/grub.cfg and have only Fedora (3.10.10-200.fc19.x86_64) get away insist at *every* kernel update add 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) again? I think that depends on /etc/default/grub if you have the line GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release) in previous releases nobody and nothing added release name and version as long someone did not call grub2-mkconfig and now with the broken release name this starts? -- Sérgio M. B. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On Qui, 2013-09-05 at 20:52 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 05.09.2013 20:32, schrieb Sérgio Basto: On Qui, 2013-09-05 at 16:35 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: do we get this annoying wrong display in GRUB fixed inside the F19 lifetime or *at least* if i remove it from /boot/grub2/grub.cfg and have only Fedora (3.10.10-200.fc19.x86_64) get away insist at *every* kernel update add 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) again? I think that depends on /etc/default/grub if you have the line GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release) how should it? /etc/grub/default does (thanks god) *not* matter in case of kernel-updates by yum and grubby yes, so investigate new-kernel-pkg from grubby even if: [root@testserver:~]$ cat /etc/default/grub | grep GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Fedora so, no whatever macro is repsonsible for this exactly at the release with a non well thought release name this happens - why in the world does Fedora again and agin make decisions which are *not* tested and months before release the impact is known are *not* reverted? *do not touch my hand-made grub-configuration due kernel-updates* except teh path to the kernel and initrd which works since many years - *nobody* needs release names at all and and least nobody needs inisting in show them at the first output at boot in a broken way -- Sérgio M. B. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On 09/05/2013 02:52 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: so, no whatever macro is repsonsible for this exactly at the release with a non well thought release name this happens -why in the world does Fedora again and agin make decisions which are *not* tested and months before release the impact is known are *not* reverted? *do not touch my hand-made grub-configuration due kernel-updates* except teh path to the kernel and initrd which works since many years - *nobody* needs release names at all and and least nobody needs inisting in show them at the first output at boot in a broken way There seem to be two separate issues here---correct me if I am wrong. Issue 1) is whether the boot message should show Fedora release numbers---it could be argued either way but in any case isn't a big deal IMHO. Issue 2) is a conflict with your 'hand-made grub-configuration'. This could not have been tested by anyone else but you, then? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
Am 05.09.2013 22:04, schrieb Przemek Klosowski: On 09/05/2013 02:52 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: so, no whatever macro is repsonsible for this exactly at the release with a non well thought release name this happens -why in the world does Fedora again and agin make decisions which are *not* tested and months before release the impact is known are *not* reverted? *do not touch my hand-made grub-configuration due kernel-updates* except teh path to the kernel and initrd which works since many years - *nobody* needs release names at all and and least nobody needs inisting in show them at the first output at boot in a broken way There seem to be two separate issues here---correct me if I am wrong. Issue 1) is whether the boot message should show Fedora release numbers---it could be argued either way but in any case isn't a big deal IMHO. Issue 2) is a conflict with your 'hand-made grub-configuration'. This could not have been tested by anyone else but you, then? what? * there is *nothing* in this configuration referring to the release name * the releas ename is dispalyed *boken* due the unwise name with special chars so where this is *my* fault? don't get me wrong, i love many things in Fedora, otherwise i would not use it but chose a release name with special chars not handeled by the bootloader is quite stupid - in /boot/grub2/grub.conf it is a ö but this does help not much as long GRUB2 beside ither major bugs is too stupid to display it well, and sicne my primary language is german the ö is *natural* here and that more ironic is that the bootloader can not hanlde the chosen release name drop them at all from the distribituion i *never* faced any person who was able to name fedora release by that name signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 10:11:51PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: * there is *nothing* in this configuration referring to the release name /boot/grub2/grub.cfg is generated via the grub2-mkconfig script, which uses settings from /etc/default/grub. /etc/default/grub uses the content from /etc/system-release to set the distributor value: GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release) /etc/system-release contains the name of the Fedora release. Did you change either /etc/default/grub or grub2-mkconfig? -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.fedorapeople.org/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgpHy8k_Dw1ez.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
Am 05.09.2013 23:11, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 10:11:51PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: * there is *nothing* in this configuration referring to the release name /boot/grub2/grub.cfg is generated via the grub2-mkconfig script, which uses settings from /etc/default/grub. /etc/default/grub uses the content from /etc/system-release to set the distributor value: GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release) /etc/system-release contains the name of the Fedora release. Did you change either /etc/default/grub or grub2-mkconfig? i simply edited /boot/grub2/grub.cfg and after that i expect *nothing* to add the release name *but* a lter kernel updates is adding it again i am using Fedor since Fedora Core 3 and i am maintaining more than 20 fedora setups and *before* F19 nobody and nothing touched grub.cfg due kernel update slike F19 and as shown before GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR does *not* contain this crap [root@testserver:~]$ cat /etc/default/grub | grep DISTR GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Fedora this file should not matter as in the past __ besides all these technical facts: it is pure laughable to chose Schrödinger’s Cat as release name while shipa GRUB2 which does not handle the ö - period signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On Sep 5, 2013, at 11:26 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: i simply edited /boot/grub2/grub.cfg and after that i expect *nothing* to add the release name *but* a lter kernel updates is adding it again i am using Fedor since Fedora Core 3 and i am maintaining more than 20 fedora setups and *before* F19 nobody and nothing touched grub.cfg due kernel update slike F19 Grubby has touched grub.cfg after kernel updates for a very long time. Since at least F15. Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
Am 06.09.2013 00:26, schrieb Chris Murphy: On Sep 5, 2013, at 11:26 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: i simply edited /boot/grub2/grub.cfg and after that i expect *nothing* to add the release name *but* a lter kernel updates is adding it again i am using Fedor since Fedora Core 3 and i am maintaining more than 20 fedora setups and *before* F19 nobody and nothing touched grub.cfg due kernel update slike F19 Grubby has touched grub.cfg after kernel updates for a very long time. Since at least F15 tell me something new - naturally it tocuhes it because it copies the last kernel entrie 1:1 and changes the kernel version and path as well as initrd nut it *never* touched anything un-related to the new kernel it *never ever* has added the release-name and release-version whay is Fedora starting with this crap exatly with the release having a short-minded name with special chars not properly handeled by the whole OS? hence if this wuld have been handeled serious while this problem was known long before the release this would have been fixed in the affacted packages or the release-name changed finally because of this - but i hardly take a decision serious running with the technical *useless* release name in a situation where exactly this one is not porperly displayed at the very first begin of boot signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
Am 05.09.2013 20:32, schrieb Sérgio Basto: On Qui, 2013-09-05 at 16:35 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: do we get this annoying wrong display in GRUB fixed inside the F19 lifetime or *at least* if i remove it from /boot/grub2/grub.cfg and have only Fedora (3.10.10-200.fc19.x86_64) get away insist at *every* kernel update add 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) again? I think that depends on /etc/default/grub if you have the line GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release) how should it? /etc/grub/default does (thanks god) *not* matter in case of kernel-updates by yum and grubby even if: [root@testserver:~]$ cat /etc/default/grub | grep GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Fedora so, no whatever macro is repsonsible for this exactly at the release with a non well thought release name this happens - why in the world does Fedora again and agin make decisions which are *not* tested and months before release the impact is known are *not* reverted? *do not touch my hand-made grub-configuration due kernel-updates* except teh path to the kernel and initrd which works since many years - *nobody* needs release names at all and and least nobody needs inisting in show them at the first output at boot in a broken way signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On Fri, 2013-09-06 at 00:33 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: whay is Fedora starting with this crap exatly with the release having a short-minded name with special chars not properly handeled by the whole OS? I know you're upset Harald, but I would request you to please refrain from terms such as crap and stupid which could offend people in the community. There is no reason why all your issues cannot be stated without including such terms. -- Thanks, Warm regards, Ankur (FranciscoD) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha Join Fedora! Come talk to us! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 12:33:40AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: whay is Fedora starting with this crap exatly with the release having a short-minded name with special chars not properly handeled by the whole OS? You're sending email to the development mailing list, so you're presumably a developer. In which case, perhaps you'd be willing to spend the time that you're currently using to send angry mails to the list to improve grub's support for Unicode characters when using VGA text mode? -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)
Maybe something like (the incredibly ugly) http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/mapping.diff -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
