Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Gerard Ryan]

On 10/18/2015 06:49 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:
> 2015-10-02 21:20 GMT+02:00 Gerard Ryan :
>> On 10/02/2015 07:11 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:
>>> 2015-09-26 0:10 GMT+02:00 Thomas Daede :
 On 09/25/2015 02:18 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:

> Removed librtmp (what could go wrong?), now I get the following error:
>
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: Error: package
> kernel-core-4.1.7-200.fc22.x86_64 requires systemd >= 200, but none of
> the providers can be installed
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
> command line to replace conflicting packages)
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: main
> process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
> entered failed state.
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service failed.
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.
>

 This looks like it might be related to
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1244175

 I had a similar problem. --allowerasing will try to erase the currently
 running kernel, which will fail.
>>>
>>> Seems like the above is a blocker now. I will test again when updated.
>>>
>>
>> FWIW I think you're hitting the same issue as I am, reported here:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1266589
>>
>> --
> 
> I still can't upgrade, I get:
> 
> dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23 --distro-sync
> dnf system-upgrade reboot
> 
> ...
> Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux dnf[668]: Error: package
> kernel-core-4.2.3-200.fc22.x86_64 requires systemd >= 200, but none of
> the providers can be installed
> Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux dnf[668]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
> command line to replace conflicting packages)
> Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: main
> process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
> Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
> entered failed state.
> Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service failed.
> Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.
> Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux audit[1]:  pid=1 uid=0
> auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
> msg='unit=dnf-system-upgrade comm="systemd" exe=
> ...

Hi Andreas,

Yes, I'm in the same situation. Would you mind adding the info of what
you get to the bug in bugzilla so that the maintainers can see it all in
one place (it's difficult for everyone to keep up with this mailing list
all the time) and know that there are more people experiencing it.

Thanks a lot,
Gerard.
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Andreas Tunek]

2015-10-19 20:47 GMT+02:00 Reindl Harald :
>
>
> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:35 schrieb Gerard Ryan:
>>
>> On 10/18/2015 06:49 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:
>>>
>>> I still can't upgrade, I get:
>>>
>>> dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23 --distro-sync
>>> dnf system-upgrade reboot
>>
>>
>> Yes, I'm in the same situation. Would you mind adding the info of what
>> you get to the bug in bugzilla so that the maintainers can see it all in
>> one place (it's difficult for everyone to keep up with this mailing list
>> all the time) and know that there are more people experiencing it
>
>
> any bet "dnf --releasever=23 --distro-sync" followed by a reboot just works
> as online dist-upgrades are working *for years* on dozens fo machines while
> all the offline-updatem, pre-upgrade and whatever stuff was *never*
> reliebale
>
>

I am trying to test the supported way of doing things. There are a
zillion other ways to it (on the computer I am typing now I have to do
a reinstall due to
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1270953), but here I want
to test the supported upgrade route.

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Gerard Ryan]

On 10/19/2015 07:47 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:35 schrieb Gerard Ryan:
>> On 10/18/2015 06:49 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:
>>> I still can't upgrade, I get:
>>>
>>> dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23 --distro-sync
>>> dnf system-upgrade reboot
>>
>> Yes, I'm in the same situation. Would you mind adding the info of what
>> you get to the bug in bugzilla so that the maintainers can see it all in
>> one place (it's difficult for everyone to keep up with this mailing list
>> all the time) and know that there are more people experiencing it
> 
> any bet "dnf --releasever=23 --distro-sync" followed by a reboot just
> works as online dist-upgrades are working *for years* on dozens fo
> machines while all the offline-updatem, pre-upgrade and whatever stuff
> was *never* reliebale

Thankfully I only ever have one or two systems to update. :)

Even if that online way that you mention works, I'm going to hold off
until the "recommended" (is it?) way works, since otherwise I won't have
any way to verify the fix when it comes.

Let's hope that once these issues are ironed out that it will be as
reliable as any other way.
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Reindl Harald]

Am 19.10.2015 um 20:35 schrieb Gerard Ryan:

On 10/18/2015 06:49 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:

I still can't upgrade, I get:

dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23 --distro-sync
dnf system-upgrade reboot


Yes, I'm in the same situation. Would you mind adding the info of what
you get to the bug in bugzilla so that the maintainers can see it all in
one place (it's difficult for everyone to keep up with this mailing list
all the time) and know that there are more people experiencing it


any bet "dnf --releasever=23 --distro-sync" followed by a reboot just 
works as online dist-upgrades are working *for years* on dozens fo 
machines while all the offline-updatem, pre-upgrade and whatever stuff 
was *never* reliebale




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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Andreas Tunek]

2015-10-02 21:20 GMT+02:00 Gerard Ryan :
> On 10/02/2015 07:11 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:
>> 2015-09-26 0:10 GMT+02:00 Thomas Daede :
>>> On 09/25/2015 02:18 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:
>>>
 Removed librtmp (what could go wrong?), now I get the following error:

 Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: Error: package
 kernel-core-4.1.7-200.fc22.x86_64 requires systemd >= 200, but none of
 the providers can be installed
 Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
 command line to replace conflicting packages)
 Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: main
 process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
 Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
 entered failed state.
 Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service failed.
 Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.

>>>
>>> This looks like it might be related to
>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1244175
>>>
>>> I had a similar problem. --allowerasing will try to erase the currently
>>> running kernel, which will fail.
>>
>> Seems like the above is a blocker now. I will test again when updated.
>>
>
> FWIW I think you're hitting the same issue as I am, reported here:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1266589
>
> --

I still can't upgrade, I get:

dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23 --distro-sync
dnf system-upgrade reboot

...
Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux dnf[668]: Error: package
kernel-core-4.2.3-200.fc22.x86_64 requires systemd >= 200, but none of
the providers can be installed
Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux dnf[668]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
command line to replace conflicting packages)
Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: main
process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
entered failed state.
Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service failed.
Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.
Oct 18 19:45:47 iMacLinux audit[1]:  pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=dnf-system-upgrade comm="systemd" exe=
...


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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Andreas Tunek]

2015-09-26 0:10 GMT+02:00 Thomas Daede :
> On 09/25/2015 02:18 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:
>
>> Removed librtmp (what could go wrong?), now I get the following error:
>>
>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: Error: package
>> kernel-core-4.1.7-200.fc22.x86_64 requires systemd >= 200, but none of
>> the providers can be installed
>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
>> command line to replace conflicting packages)
>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: main
>> process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
>> entered failed state.
>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service failed.
>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.
>>
>
> This looks like it might be related to
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1244175
>
> I had a similar problem. --allowerasing will try to erase the currently
> running kernel, which will fail.

Seems like the above is a blocker now. I will test again when updated.

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Gerard Ryan]

On 10/02/2015 07:11 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:
> 2015-09-26 0:10 GMT+02:00 Thomas Daede :
>> On 09/25/2015 02:18 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:
>>
>>> Removed librtmp (what could go wrong?), now I get the following error:
>>>
>>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: Error: package
>>> kernel-core-4.1.7-200.fc22.x86_64 requires systemd >= 200, but none of
>>> the providers can be installed
>>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
>>> command line to replace conflicting packages)
>>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: main
>>> process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
>>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
>>> entered failed state.
>>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service failed.
>>> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.
>>>
>>
>> This looks like it might be related to
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1244175
>>
>> I had a similar problem. --allowerasing will try to erase the currently
>> running kernel, which will fail.
> 
> Seems like the above is a blocker now. I will test again when updated.
> 

FWIW I think you're hitting the same issue as I am, reported here:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1266589

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Andreas Tunek]

2015-09-23 20:39 GMT+02:00 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek :
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 07:47:58PM +0200, Andreas Tunek wrote:
>> 2015-09-23 0:16 GMT+02:00 Adam Williamson :
>> > On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 06:21:00PM +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
>> >> > I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
>> >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22
>> >> > _-.3E_Fedora_23
>> >> >
>> >> > This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
>> >> > What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
>> >> > Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?
>> >>
>> >> There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
>> >> should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and
>> >> keep
>> >> the instructions the same. Rationale:
>> >
>> > Sorry, but I already re-did all the wiki pages last week. Of course we
>> > can change them again, but...
>> >
>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading was revised to list dnf-
>> > system-upgrade as the 'recommended method' for upgrades to F23, and I
>> > wrote https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade documenting
>> > how to use it.
>> >
>> > The page Padraig linked to was not about fedup at all, it's the page
>> > for doing your upgrades just using bare yum/dnf (which is not
>> > officially supported, but we do have that page for known caveats and
>> > best practices if you really must do it).
>> > --
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>> > Fedora QA Community Monkey
>> > IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net
>> > http://www.happyassassin.net
>> >
>> >
>> I tried doing
>>
>> dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23 --distro-sync --best
>> dnf system-upgrade reboot
>>
>> as root but it rebooted directly when the upgrade started. Where can I
>> find the logs to se what went wrong?
>
> journalctl -b-1 --system
>
> (In general, there's nothing special about the dnf upgrade
> environment, so normal journalctl commands should work.)
>
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I got the following error, any idea what could be wrong?

Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux dnf[616]: Error: package
librtmp-2.4-3.20131205.gitdc76f0a.fc22.x86_64 requires
libgnutls.so.28()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installe
Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux dnf[616]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
command line to replace conflicting packages)
Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: main
process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
entered failed state.
Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service failed.
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Andreas Tunek]

2015-09-25 23:11 GMT+02:00 Andreas Tunek :
> 2015-09-23 20:39 GMT+02:00 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek :
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 07:47:58PM +0200, Andreas Tunek wrote:
>>> 2015-09-23 0:16 GMT+02:00 Adam Williamson :
>>> > On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 06:21:00PM +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
>>> >> > I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
>>> >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22
>>> >> > _-.3E_Fedora_23
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
>>> >> > What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
>>> >> > Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?
>>> >>
>>> >> There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
>>> >> should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and
>>> >> keep
>>> >> the instructions the same. Rationale:
>>> >
>>> > Sorry, but I already re-did all the wiki pages last week. Of course we
>>> > can change them again, but...
>>> >
>>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading was revised to list dnf-
>>> > system-upgrade as the 'recommended method' for upgrades to F23, and I
>>> > wrote https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade documenting
>>> > how to use it.
>>> >
>>> > The page Padraig linked to was not about fedup at all, it's the page
>>> > for doing your upgrades just using bare yum/dnf (which is not
>>> > officially supported, but we do have that page for known caveats and
>>> > best practices if you really must do it).
>>> > --
>>> > Adam Williamson
>>> > Fedora QA Community Monkey
>>> > IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net
>>> > http://www.happyassassin.net
>>> >
>>> >
>>> I tried doing
>>>
>>> dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23 --distro-sync --best
>>> dnf system-upgrade reboot
>>>
>>> as root but it rebooted directly when the upgrade started. Where can I
>>> find the logs to se what went wrong?
>>
>> journalctl -b-1 --system
>>
>> (In general, there's nothing special about the dnf upgrade
>> environment, so normal journalctl commands should work.)
>>
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>
> I got the following error, any idea what could be wrong?
>
> Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux dnf[616]: Error: package
> librtmp-2.4-3.20131205.gitdc76f0a.fc22.x86_64 requires
> libgnutls.so.28()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installe
> Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux dnf[616]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
> command line to replace conflicting packages)
> Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: main
> process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
> Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
> entered failed state.
> Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service failed.


Removed librtmp (what could go wrong?), now I get the following error:

Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: Error: package
kernel-core-4.1.7-200.fc22.x86_64 requires systemd >= 200, but none of
the providers can be installed
Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
command line to replace conflicting packages)
Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: main
process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
entered failed state.
Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service failed.
Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2015-09-25 at 23:11 +0200, Andreas Tunek wrote:

> I got the following error, any idea what could be wrong?
> 
> Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux dnf[616]: Error: package
> librtmp-2.4-3.20131205.gitdc76f0a.fc22.x86_64 requires
> libgnutls.so.28()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installe
> Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux dnf[616]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
> command line to replace conflicting packages)
> Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service:
> main
> process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
> Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
> entered failed state.
> Sep 25 23:06:56 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service
> failed.

librtmp is not a Fedora package, it's from
*ahem*koff*thirdpartyrepository*ahem*koff*. Sounds like it's behind on
rebuilds.
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2015-09-25 at 23:18 +0200, Andreas Tunek wrote:

> Removed librtmp (what could go wrong?), now I get the following
> error:
> 
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: Error: package
> kernel-core-4.1.7-200.fc22.x86_64 requires systemd >= 200, but none
> of
> the providers can be installed
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
> command line to replace conflicting packages)
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service:
> main
> process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
> entered failed state.
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service
> failed.
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.

Well, that part of the error isn't much use, the interesting part would
be why an appropriate systemd package isn't in the transaction. Did you
run the initial command with --best ? did it not complain that systemd
wasn't getting updated?
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Thomas Daede]

On 09/25/2015 02:18 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:

> Removed librtmp (what could go wrong?), now I get the following error:
> 
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: Error: package
> kernel-core-4.1.7-200.fc22.x86_64 requires systemd >= 200, but none of
> the providers can be installed
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux dnf[621]: (try to add '--allowerasing' to
> command line to replace conflicting packages)
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service: main
> process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Unit dnf-system-upgrade.service
> entered failed state.
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: dnf-system-upgrade.service failed.
> Sep 25 23:14:39 iMacLinux systemd[1]: Rebooting as result of failure.
> 

This looks like it might be related to
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1244175

I had a similar problem. --allowerasing will try to erase the currently
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 03:58:28AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> >There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
> >should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and keep
> >the instructions the same. Rationale:
> 
> IMO, this discussion is moot.

It's not moot -- it's a suggestion to...

> Because ppckaging-wise, the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade situation
> currently is broken [1]:
> dnf-plugin-system-upgrade Obsoletes: fedup, but lacks the
> corresponding Provides.

... add that Provides. :)


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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Jonathan Wakely]

On 22/09/15 16:30 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:

On 22 September 2015 at 16:16, Neal Gompa  wrote:

Looks like Fedora 23 is shaping up to be an exciting release!


It does, but not exciting enough to use HTML email. Can you switch
your email client to use text emails please.


And trim the quoted text instead of replying with the entire content
of whatever you're replying to.

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:13:39PM -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
> Suggested way to upgrade from 22 to 23? Fresh install? Fedup? Change
> release ver  for dnf? Did the new dnf upgrade tool get packaged?

I've done this on a number of machines (I would say at least 5):

  
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22_-.3E_Fedora_23

and it works fine.  You may hit a problem that the reboot command
doesn't work immediately after the update (sorry, don't have the BZ or
error message right now), but you can just do:

  sync
  reboot -f

to work around that, and the reboot command works afterwards.

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Andreas Tunek]

2015-09-23 0:16 GMT+02:00 Adam Williamson :
> On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 06:21:00PM +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
>> > I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22
>> > _-.3E_Fedora_23
>> >
>> > This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
>> > What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
>> > Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?
>>
>> There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
>> should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and
>> keep
>> the instructions the same. Rationale:
>
> Sorry, but I already re-did all the wiki pages last week. Of course we
> can change them again, but...
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading was revised to list dnf-
> system-upgrade as the 'recommended method' for upgrades to F23, and I
> wrote https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade documenting
> how to use it.
>
> The page Padraig linked to was not about fedup at all, it's the page
> for doing your upgrades just using bare yum/dnf (which is not
> officially supported, but we do have that page for known caveats and
> best practices if you really must do it).
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I tried doing

dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23 --distro-sync --best
dnf system-upgrade reboot

as root but it rebooted directly when the upgrade started. Where can I
find the logs to se what went wrong?
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Eric Griffith]

On Sep 23, 2015 13:48, "Andreas Tunek"  wrote:
>
> 2015-09-23 0:16 GMT+02:00 Adam Williamson :
> > On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 06:21:00PM +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> >> > I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
> >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22
> >> > _-.3E_Fedora_23
> >> >
> >> > This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
> >> > What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
> >> > Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?
> >>
> >> There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
> >> should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and
> >> keep
> >> the instructions the same. Rationale:
> >
> > Sorry, but I already re-did all the wiki pages last week. Of course we
> > can change them again, but...
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading was revised to list dnf-
> > system-upgrade as the 'recommended method' for upgrades to F23, and I
> > wrote https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade documenting
> > how to use it.
> >
> > The page Padraig linked to was not about fedup at all, it's the page
> > for doing your upgrades just using bare yum/dnf (which is not
> > officially supported, but we do have that page for known caveats and
> > best practices if you really must do it).
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> >
> >
> I tried doing
>
> dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23 --distro-sync --best
> dnf system-upgrade reboot
>
> as root but it rebooted directly when the upgrade started. Where can I
> find the logs to se what went wrong?

Make sure you are fully up to date before doing the upgrade. There was a
packagekit bug that would cause a dnf upgrade to fail immediately.

Also is "--distro-sync --best" advised or not? The wiki only listed the
first part of that command, not those two additional flags.
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 07:47:58PM +0200, Andreas Tunek wrote:
> 2015-09-23 0:16 GMT+02:00 Adam Williamson :
> > On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 06:21:00PM +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> >> > I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
> >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22
> >> > _-.3E_Fedora_23
> >> >
> >> > This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
> >> > What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
> >> > Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?
> >>
> >> There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
> >> should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and
> >> keep
> >> the instructions the same. Rationale:
> >
> > Sorry, but I already re-did all the wiki pages last week. Of course we
> > can change them again, but...
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading was revised to list dnf-
> > system-upgrade as the 'recommended method' for upgrades to F23, and I
> > wrote https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade documenting
> > how to use it.
> >
> > The page Padraig linked to was not about fedup at all, it's the page
> > for doing your upgrades just using bare yum/dnf (which is not
> > officially supported, but we do have that page for known caveats and
> > best practices if you really must do it).
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> >
> >
> I tried doing
> 
> dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23 --distro-sync --best
> dnf system-upgrade reboot
> 
> as root but it rebooted directly when the upgrade started. Where can I
> find the logs to se what went wrong?

journalctl -b-1 --system

(In general, there's nothing special about the dnf upgrade
environment, so normal journalctl commands should work.)

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Pádraig Brady]

On 23/09/15 18:19, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:13:39PM -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
>> Suggested way to upgrade from 22 to 23? Fresh install? Fedup? Change
>> release ver  for dnf? Did the new dnf upgrade tool get packaged?
> 
> I've done this on a number of machines (I would say at least 5):
> 
>   
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22_-.3E_Fedora_23
> 
> and it works fine.  You may hit a problem that the reboot command
> doesn't work immediately after the update (sorry, don't have the BZ or
> error message right now),

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1229416

> but you can just do:
> 
>   sync
>   reboot -f
> 
> to work around that, and the reboot command works afterwards.

Yes it's an selinux issue. So I did:

  sync
  setenforce 0
  reboot

cheers,
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Eric Griffith]

Is anyone else noticing dnf being really slow? Like taking 5mins+ to do a
simple metadata search
On Sep 23, 2015 15:51, "Pádraig Brady"  wrote:

> On 23/09/15 18:19, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:13:39PM -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
> >> Suggested way to upgrade from 22 to 23? Fresh install? Fedup? Change
> >> release ver  for dnf? Did the new dnf upgrade tool get packaged?
> >
> > I've done this on a number of machines (I would say at least 5):
> >
> >
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22_-.3E_Fedora_23
> >
> > and it works fine.  You may hit a problem that the reboot command
> > doesn't work immediately after the update (sorry, don't have the BZ or
> > error message right now),
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1229416
>
> > but you can just do:
> >
> >   sync
> >   reboot -f
> >
> > to work around that, and the reboot command works afterwards.
>
> Yes it's an selinux issue. So I did:
>
>   sync
>   setenforce 0
>   reboot
>
> cheers,
> Pádraig
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Samuel Sieb]

On 09/23/2015 10:19 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

and it works fine.  You may hit a problem that the reboot command
doesn't work immediately after the update (sorry, don't have the BZ or
error message right now), but you can just do:

   sync
   reboot -f

For anyone else that runs into this, just do "systemctl daemon-reexec", 
then the reboot should work normally.

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 15:42 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
> Also is "--distro-sync --best" advised or not? The wiki only listed
> the
> first part of that command, not those two additional flags.

Well, last time I touched it, it recommended *trying* --best. You may
have been looking at the 'upgrading with yum' page, which has different
instructions.

--best will bail with a useful message if there are any updates
available that cannot be applied - say you have foo-1 installed, and
foo-2 is available, but can't be installed due to some dependency
problem, --best will bail and tell you why. Without --best the upgrade
will just leave 'foo' at 'foo-1' and proceed, without really telling
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Eric Griffith]

On Sep 23, 2015 10:37 PM, "Adam Williamson" 
wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 15:42 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
> > Also is "--distro-sync --best" advised or not? The wiki only listed
> > the
> > first part of that command, not those two additional flags.
>
> Well, last time I touched it, it recommended *trying* --best. You may
> have been looking at the 'upgrading with yum' page, which has different
> instructions.
>

I was looking at the dnf system upgrade feature page, which still
recommends masking packagekit-offline-updates

> --best will bail with a useful message if there are any updates
> available that cannot be applied - say you have foo-1 installed, and
> foo-2 is available, but can't be installed due to some dependency
> problem, --best will bail and tell you why. Without --best the upgrade
> will just leave 'foo' at 'foo-1' and proceed, without really telling
> you.
> --

Hmmm not what I thought it'd do. Im still trying to figure out why
system-upgrade left me with about a 1k post-upgrade updates to apply.
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 22:55 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2015 10:37 PM, "Adam Williamson"  rg>
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 15:42 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
> > > Also is "--distro-sync --best" advised or not? The wiki only
> > > listed
> > > the
> > > first part of that command, not those two additional flags.
> > 
> > Well, last time I touched it, it recommended *trying* --best. You
> > may
> > have been looking at the 'upgrading with yum' page, which has
> > different
> > instructions.
> > 
> 
> I was looking at the dnf system upgrade feature page, which still
> recommends masking packagekit-offline-updates

Yeah, change pages don't always get updated terribly quickly. Please
consider https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade the
'official' page (as official as the wiki gets) and yell if anything on
it is wrong.

> Hmmm not what I thought it'd do. Im still trying to figure out why
> system-upgrade left me with about a 1k post-upgrade updates to apply.

Probably down to exactly the issue I mentioned. If you have third party
repos enabled, particularly, there are several known chains that will
lead to dnf-system-upgrade leaving huge numbers of packages out of the
upgrade. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1263677 .
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Nathanael D. Noblet]

On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 06:21:00PM +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> > I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22
> > _-.3E_Fedora_23
> > 
> > This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
> > What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
> > Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?
> 
> There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
> should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and
> keep
> the instructions the same. Rationale:
> 
> * FedUp has gotten a lot of positive press *just recently*, including
> this
>   interview with Jim Whitehurst
>   http://www.mylinuxrig.com/post/129154618674/the-linux-setup-jim-whi
> tehurst-presidentceo
> 
> * Although the mechanisms are different, the basic concepts,
>   especially from a user point of view, are very similar
> 
> * Documentation won't need (as much) updating
> 
> * fedup.sh is already done
> 
> * FedUp is an awesome name
> 
> * People get all stabby over changes. Let's save getting stabbed for
>   when we really need it.
> 
So I noticed a little while ago fedup on my system was replaced by dnf-
plugin-system-upgrade. Running fedup gets you the dnf 'this command is
no longer the one to use use dnf system-upgrade...' I used it and am
running F23 Beta now. It may be too late. One thing though is I
searched for fedup first, found the wiki and it has nothing about using
dnf on it anymore.

Otherwise it seemed to run fine.

It didn't however relabel the system during the upgrade which caused a
few selinux messages. Should it?

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Pádraig Brady]

On 22/09/15 18:02, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 12:13 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
>> Suggested way to upgrade from 22 to 23? Fresh install? Fedup? Change
>> release ver  for dnf? Did the new dnf upgrade tool get packaged?
> 
> `dnf install dnf-plugin-system-upgrade`
> `dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23`
> `dnf system-upgrade reboot`

I see the above has replaced fedup:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DNF_System_Upgrades

I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22_-.3E_Fedora_23

This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?

thanks,
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Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta for AARCH64 and POWER!

[Peter Robinson]

Fedora 23 Beta Release Announcement for AARCH64 and POWER architectures
===

The Fedora 23 Beta is here for AARCH64 and POWER architectures, right
on schedule for our planned October final release! Want to help make
Fedora 23 be the best release ever on those architectures, or just
want to get a sneak peek? Download the prerelease from the site
and give it a whirl:

*   Get Fedora 23 Beta Server — make use of the very latest
server-based technologies available in the open source community

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/test/23_Beta/Server/

*   Get Fedora 23 Beta Cloud — build scale-out computing and utilize
the next generation of container deployment technology

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/test/23_Beta/Cloud_Images/


What is the Beta release?
-

The Beta release contains all the exciting features of Fedora 23's
editions in a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided
by the Fedora QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When
these bugs are fixed, we make a Beta release available. A Beta
release is code-complete and bears a very strong resemblance to the
third and final release. The final release of Fedora 23 is expected
in October.

We need your help to make Fedora 23 the best yet, so please take
some time to download and try out the Beta and make sure the things
that are important to you are working. If you find a bug, please
report it – every bug you uncover is a chance to improve the
experience for millions of Fedora users worldwide.

Together, we can make Fedora rock-solid. We have a culture of
coordinating new features and pushing fixes upstream as much as
feasible, and your feedback will help improve not only Fedora but
Linux and free software on the whole.


Fedora-Wide Changes
---

Fedora 23 includes a number of changes that will improve all of the
editions. For example, Fedora 23 makes use of compiler flags to
improve security by "hardening" the binaries against memory
corruption vulnerabilities, buffer overflows, and so on. This is a
"behind the scenes" change that most users won't notice through
normal use of a Fedora edition, but will help provide additional
system security.

Likewise, Fedora 23 has disabled SSL3 and RC4 by default due to
known vulnerabilities in the protocols. This means all applications
that use GNUTLS and OpenSSL libraries have had the SSL3 protocol
and RC4 cipher disabled.

Fedora 23 Beta also includes support for Unicode 8.0, which
includes new emojis, and improvements in sorting Unicode text and
processing non-ASCII URLs.


Fedora Server
-

The Fedora Server release includes a number of interesting changes
and additions.

The rolekit service now supports setting up three roles. In
addition to the previously supported Domain Controller (powered by
FreeIPA abd Database Server (powered by PostgreSQL) roles, Fedora
Server 23 features a cache server for web applications (powered by
memcached).

Rolekit can also now be used from the anaconda kickstart by passing
the `--deferred` arguments to `rolectl`. For example: `rolectl
deploy domaincontroller --name=example.com --deferred` will
instruct the system to deploy the Domain Controller role on the
next boot.

The Cockpit Admin Interface in Fedora Server has several big
improvements as well.

*   Support for SSH key authentication
*   Support for configuring user accounts with their authorized keys.
*   Basic cluster dashboard for driving Kubernetes on Fedora Server
and Fedora Atomic Host.
*   Set the imezone for your Fedora Server from the Cockpit User
Interface (UI).
*   Cockpit has also been made safe to use with multipath disks.


Fedora Cloud


Fedora 23 Cloud Base image includes many updates and enhancements to the
underlying Fedora base packages. For example, Fedora 23 now has the
latest Docker release, docker 1.8. We can now verify the publisher
of an image before running. This gives the users the power to identify
that the image publisher published has not been tampered with.


Issues and Details
--

This is an Beta release. As such, we expect that you may encounter bugs
or missing features. To report issues encountered during testing,
contact the Fedora QA team via the mailing list or in #fedora-qa on
freenode.

As testing progresses, common issues are tracked on the Common F23
Bugs page. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F23_bugs

For tips on reporting a bug effectively, read "how to file a bug
report." https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report


Release Schedule


The full release schedule planned is available on the Fedora wiki.
The current schedule calls for a beta release towards the end of
September, and the final release scheduled towards the end of October.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/Schedule

These dates are subject to 

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 12:13 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
> Suggested way to upgrade from 22 to 23? Fresh install? Fedup? Change
> release ver  for dnf? Did the new dnf upgrade tool get packaged?


`dnf install dnf-plugin-system-upgrade`
`dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23`
`dnf system-upgrade reboot`


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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 06:21:00PM +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22_-.3E_Fedora_23
> 
> This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
> What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
> Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?

There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and keep
the instructions the same. Rationale:

* FedUp has gotten a lot of positive press *just recently*, including this
  interview with Jim Whitehurst
  
http://www.mylinuxrig.com/post/129154618674/the-linux-setup-jim-whitehurst-presidentceo

* Although the mechanisms are different, the basic concepts,
  especially from a user point of view, are very similar

* Documentation won't need (as much) updating

* fedup.sh is already done

* FedUp is an awesome name

* People get all stabby over changes. Let's save getting stabbed for
  when we really need it.

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 01:18:30PM -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 06:21:00PM +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> > > I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22
> > > _-.3E_Fedora_23
> > > 
> > > This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
> > > What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
> > > Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?
> > 
> > There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
> > should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and
> > keep
> > the instructions the same. Rationale:
> > 
> > * FedUp has gotten a lot of positive press *just recently*, including
> > this
> >   interview with Jim Whitehurst
> >   http://www.mylinuxrig.com/post/129154618674/the-linux-setup-jim-whi
> > tehurst-presidentceo
> > 
> > * Although the mechanisms are different, the basic concepts,
> >   especially from a user point of view, are very similar
> > 
> > * Documentation won't need (as much) updating
> > 
> > * fedup.sh is already done
> > 
> > * FedUp is an awesome name
> > 
> > * People get all stabby over changes. Let's save getting stabbed for
> >   when we really need it.
> > 
> So I noticed a little while ago fedup on my system was replaced by dnf-
> plugin-system-upgrade. Running fedup gets you the dnf 'this command is
> no longer the one to use use dnf system-upgrade...' I used it and am
> running F23 Beta now. It may be too late. One thing though is I
> searched for fedup first, found the wiki and it has nothing about using
> dnf on it anymore.
> 
> Otherwise it seemed to run fine.
> 
> It didn't however relabel the system during the upgrade which caused a
> few selinux messages. Should it?
I don't think it should: dnf-system-upgrade is just installing rpms.
selinux.rpm has a %postinstall script which does some relabelling.
What files were mislebelled exactly? Maybe you should file a bug
against selinux-policy.

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 09/22/2015 07:33 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 06:21:00PM +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:

I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22_-.3E_Fedora_23

This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?


There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and keep
the instructions the same. Rationale:


IMO, this discussion is moot.

Because ppckaging-wise, the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade situation 
currently is broken [1]:


dnf-plugin-system-upgrade Obsoletes: fedup, but lacks the corresponding 
Provides.


The result is
- "dnf install fedup" installs fedup
- subsequent "dnf update" kicks out fedup and replaces it with 
dnf-plugin-system-upgrade.


Ralf

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1264937
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 06:21:00PM +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> > I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22
> > _-.3E_Fedora_23
> > 
> > This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
> > What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
> > Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?
> 
> There's actually a "fedup" script as part of the package. I think we
> should update the dnf-plugin-system-upgrade to Provide: fedup, and
> keep
> the instructions the same. Rationale:

Sorry, but I already re-did all the wiki pages last week. Of course we
can change them again, but...

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading was revised to list dnf-
system-upgrade as the 'recommended method' for upgrades to F23, and I
wrote https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade documenting
how to use it.

The page Padraig linked to was not about fedup at all, it's the page
for doing your upgrades just using bare yum/dnf (which is not
officially supported, but we do have that page for known caveats and
best practices if you really must do it).
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 18:21 +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> On 22/09/15 18:02, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 12:13 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
> > > Suggested way to upgrade from 22 to 23? Fresh install? Fedup?
> > > Change
> > > release ver  for dnf? Did the new dnf upgrade tool get packaged?
> > 
> > `dnf install dnf-plugin-system-upgrade`
> > `dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=23`
> > `dnf system-upgrade reboot`
> 
> I see the above has replaced fedup:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DNF_System_Upgrades
> 
> I just used dnf distro-sync as per:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_22_-
> .3E_Fedora_23
> 
> This went fine, and I'm now typing this on F23 beta.
> What are the main advantages of system-upgrade?
> Should the above wiki mention the system-uprade instructions?

It does. There's a big yellow box at the top which says:

"Although upgrades with yum do work, they are not explicitly tested as
part of the release process by Fedora QA and are not documented in the
Fedora installation guide.  If you are not prepared to resolve issues
on your own if things break, you should probably use the recommended
installation methods instead."

Where 'recommended installation methods' is a link to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading , which in turn points to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade .
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Richard Shaw]

On an related note...

I just tried doing a "dnf --enablerepo=updates testing update fedup" on my
Fedora 21 box and fedup was replaced by the dnf upgrade plugin so the
information at:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading

Is no longer correct, the dnf upgrade method should be used to upgrade
F21+, not F22+.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 17:38 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On an related note...
> 
> I just tried doing a "dnf --enablerepo=updates testing update fedup"
> on my
> Fedora 21 box and fedup was replaced by the dnf upgrade plugin so the
> information at:
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading
> 
> Is no longer correct, the dnf upgrade method should be used to
> upgrade
> F21+, not F22+.

I'm not sure we've actually tested it for upgrades to F22, but since
fedup is gone there really isn't much choice :) I'll re-jig the page
again later.
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Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta for AARCH64 and POWER!

[Peter Robinson]

Fedora 23 Beta Release Announcement for AARCH64 and POWER architectures
===

The Fedora 23 Beta is here for AARCH64 and POWER architectures, right
on schedule for our planned October final release! Want to help make
Fedora 23 be the best release ever on those architectures, or just
want to get a sneak peek? Download the prerelease from the site
and give it a whirl:

*   Get Fedora 23 Beta Server — make use of the very latest
server-based technologies available in the open source community

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/test/23_Beta/Server/

*   Get Fedora 23 Beta Cloud — build scale-out computing and utilize
the next generation of container deployment technology

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/test/23_Beta/Cloud_Images/


What is the Beta release?
-

The Beta release contains all the exciting features of Fedora 23's
editions in a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided
by the Fedora QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When
these bugs are fixed, we make a Beta release available. A Beta
release is code-complete and bears a very strong resemblance to the
third and final release. The final release of Fedora 23 is expected
in October.

We need your help to make Fedora 23 the best yet, so please take
some time to download and try out the Beta and make sure the things
that are important to you are working. If you find a bug, please
report it – every bug you uncover is a chance to improve the
experience for millions of Fedora users worldwide.

Together, we can make Fedora rock-solid. We have a culture of
coordinating new features and pushing fixes upstream as much as
feasible, and your feedback will help improve not only Fedora but
Linux and free software on the whole.


Fedora-Wide Changes
---

Fedora 23 includes a number of changes that will improve all of the
editions. For example, Fedora 23 makes use of compiler flags to
improve security by "hardening" the binaries against memory
corruption vulnerabilities, buffer overflows, and so on. This is a
"behind the scenes" change that most users won't notice through
normal use of a Fedora edition, but will help provide additional
system security.

Likewise, Fedora 23 has disabled SSL3 and RC4 by default due to
known vulnerabilities in the protocols. This means all applications
that use GNUTLS and OpenSSL libraries have had the SSL3 protocol
and RC4 cipher disabled.

Fedora 23 Beta also includes support for Unicode 8.0, which
includes new emojis, and improvements in sorting Unicode text and
processing non-ASCII URLs.


Fedora Server
-

The Fedora Server release includes a number of interesting changes
and additions.

The rolekit service now supports setting up three roles. In
addition to the previously supported Domain Controller (powered by
FreeIPA abd Database Server (powered by PostgreSQL) roles, Fedora
Server 23 features a cache server for web applications (powered by
memcached).

Rolekit can also now be used from the anaconda kickstart by passing
the `--deferred` arguments to `rolectl`. For example: `rolectl
deploy domaincontroller --name=example.com --deferred` will
instruct the system to deploy the Domain Controller role on the
next boot.

The Cockpit Admin Interface in Fedora Server has several big
improvements as well.

*   Support for SSH key authentication
*   Support for configuring user accounts with their authorized keys.
*   Basic cluster dashboard for driving Kubernetes on Fedora Server
and Fedora Atomic Host.
*   Set the imezone for your Fedora Server from the Cockpit User
Interface (UI).
*   Cockpit has also been made safe to use with multipath disks.


Fedora Cloud


Fedora 23 Cloud Base image includes many updates and enhancements to the
underlying Fedora base packages. For example, Fedora 23 now has the
latest Docker release, docker 1.8. We can now verify the publisher
of an image before running. This gives the users the power to identify
that the image publisher published has not been tampered with.


Issues and Details
--

This is an Beta release. As such, we expect that you may encounter bugs
or missing features. To report issues encountered during testing,
contact the Fedora QA team via the mailing list or in #fedora-qa on
freenode.

As testing progresses, common issues are tracked on the Common F23
Bugs page. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F23_bugs

For tips on reporting a bug effectively, read "how to file a bug
report." https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report


Release Schedule


The full release schedule planned is available on the Fedora wiki.
The current schedule calls for a beta release towards the end of
September, and the final release scheduled towards the end of October.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/Schedule

These dates are subject to 

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Eric Griffith]

Suggested way to upgrade from 22 to 23? Fresh install? Fedup? Change
release ver  for dnf? Did the new dnf upgrade tool get packaged?
On Sep 22, 2015 11:49 AM, "Vít Ondruch"  wrote:

> Dne 22.9.2015 v 17:30 Richard Hughes napsal(a):
> > On 22 September 2015 at 16:16, Neal Gompa  wrote:
> >> Looks like Fedora 23 is shaping up to be an exciting release!
> > It does, but not exciting enough to use HTML email. Can you switch
> > your email client to use text emails please.
> >
> > Richard.
>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>
> You probably want to setup your email client to prefer the plain text.
>
>
> Vít
>
>
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Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Dennis Gilmore]

Fedora 23 Beta Release Announcement
===

The Fedora 23 Beta is here, right on schedule for our planned
October final release! Want to help make Fedora 23 be the best
release ever, or just want to get a sneak peek? Download the
prerelease from our Get Fedora site and give it a whirl:

-   Get Fedora 23 Beta Workstation — a reliable, user-friendly, and
powerful operating system for your laptop or desktop computer
https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/prerelease/

-   Get Fedora 23 Beta Server — make use of the very latest
server-based technologies available in the open source community
https://getfedora.org/en/server/prerelease/

-   Get Fedora 23 Beta Cloud — build scale-out computing and utilize
the next generation of container deployment technology
https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/prerelease/

-   Get Fedora 23 Beta Spins — alternative desktops for Fedora
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/prerelease

-   Get Fedora 23 Beta Labs — curated bundles of purpose-driven
software and content
https://labs.fedoraproject.org/prerelease


What is the Beta release?
-

The Beta release contains all the exciting features of Fedora 23's
editions in a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided
by the Fedora QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When
these bugs are fixed, we make a Beta release available. A Beta
release is code-complete and bears a very strong resemblance to the
third and final release. The final release of Fedora 23 is expected
in October.

We need your help to make Fedora 23 the best yet, so please take
some time to download and try out the Beta and make sure the things
that are important to you are working. If you find a bug, please
report it – every bug you uncover is a chance to improve the
experience for millions of Fedora users worldwide.

Together, we can make Fedora rock-solid. We have a culture of
coordinating new features and pushing fixes upstream as much as
feasible, and your feedback will help improve not only Fedora but
Linux and free software on the whole.


Fedora-Wide Changes
---

Fedora 23 includes a number of changes that will improve all of the
editions. For example, Fedora 23 makes use of compiler flags to
improve security by "hardening" the binaries against memory
corruption vulnerabilities, buffer overflows, and so on. This is a
"behind the scenes" change that most users won't notice through
normal use of a Fedora edition, but will help provide additional
system security.

Likewise, Fedora 23 has disabled SSL3 and RC4 by default due to
known vulnerabilities in the protocols. This means all applications
that use GNUTLS and OpenSSL libraries have had the SSL3 protocol
and RC4 cipher disabled.

Fedora 23 comes with the latest version of Mono 4. This means a big
improvement because we were stuck with an ancient version of Mono
(2.10) for too long. All packages within Fedora that are based on
Mono have been adjusted and rebuilt, to target the 4.5 version of
the .Net framework. Mono 4 does not support solutions targeting
v1.0, v2.0 or v3.5 of .Net, but usually they can be easily upgraded
to v4.5.

Fedora 23 Beta also includes support for Unicode 8.0, which
includes new emojis, and improvements in sorting Unicode text and
processing non-ASCII URLs.


Fedora Server
-

The Fedora Server release includes a number of interesting changes
and additions.

The rolekit service now supports setting up three roles. In
addition to the previously supported Domain Controller (powered by
FreeIPA abd Database Server (powered by PostgreSQL) roles, Fedora
Server 23 features a cache server for web applications (powered by
memcached).

Rolekit can also now be used from the anaconda kickstart by passing
the `--deferred` arguments to `rolectl`. For example: `rolectl
deploy domaincontroller --name=example.com --deferred` will
instruct the system to deploy the Domain Controller role on the
next boot.

The Cockpit Admin Interface in Fedora Server has several big
improvements as well.

-   Support for SSH key authentication
-   Support for configuring user accounts with their authorized keys.
-   Basic cluster dashboard for driving Kubernetes on Fedora Server
and Fedora Atomic Host.
-   Set the imezone for your Fedora Server from the Cockpit User
Interface (UI).
-   Cockpit has also been made safe to use with multipath disks.


Fedora Workstation
--

While there's a lot going on under the hood, desktop users are also
going to find Fedora 23 Beta pretty exciting for all the obvious
goodness coming to the desktop. The easiest way to experience the
preview of these technologies is to download and try the Fedora 23
Beta Workstation edition.

Naturally, GNOME is getting an upgrade, with Fedora 23 containing a
preview of the upcoming GNOME 3.18 release, which is easier to use
than ever. There are also many enhancements on the way, such as:

-   Improvements to 

Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Dennis Gilmore]

Fedora 23 Beta Release Announcement
===

The Fedora 23 Beta is here, right on schedule for our planned
October final release! Want to help make Fedora 23 be the best
release ever, or just want to get a sneak peek? Download the
prerelease from our Get Fedora site and give it a whirl:

-   Get Fedora 23 Beta Workstation — a reliable, user-friendly, and
powerful operating system for your laptop or desktop computer
https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/prerelease/

-   Get Fedora 23 Beta Server — make use of the very latest
server-based technologies available in the open source community
https://getfedora.org/en/server/prerelease/

-   Get Fedora 23 Beta Cloud — build scale-out computing and utilize
the next generation of container deployment technology
https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/prerelease/

-   Get Fedora 23 Beta Spins — alternative desktops for Fedora
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/prerelease

-   Get Fedora 23 Beta Labs — curated bundles of purpose-driven
software and content
https://labs.fedoraproject.org/prerelease


What is the Beta release?
-

The Beta release contains all the exciting features of Fedora 23's
editions in a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided
by the Fedora QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When
these bugs are fixed, we make a Beta release available. A Beta
release is code-complete and bears a very strong resemblance to the
third and final release. The final release of Fedora 23 is expected
in October.

We need your help to make Fedora 23 the best yet, so please take
some time to download and try out the Beta and make sure the things
that are important to you are working. If you find a bug, please
report it – every bug you uncover is a chance to improve the
experience for millions of Fedora users worldwide.

Together, we can make Fedora rock-solid. We have a culture of
coordinating new features and pushing fixes upstream as much as
feasible, and your feedback will help improve not only Fedora but
Linux and free software on the whole.


Fedora-Wide Changes
---

Fedora 23 includes a number of changes that will improve all of the
editions. For example, Fedora 23 makes use of compiler flags to
improve security by "hardening" the binaries against memory
corruption vulnerabilities, buffer overflows, and so on. This is a
"behind the scenes" change that most users won't notice through
normal use of a Fedora edition, but will help provide additional
system security.

Likewise, Fedora 23 has disabled SSL3 and RC4 by default due to
known vulnerabilities in the protocols. This means all applications
that use GNUTLS and OpenSSL libraries have had the SSL3 protocol
and RC4 cipher disabled.

Fedora 23 comes with the latest version of Mono 4. This means a big
improvement because we were stuck with an ancient version of Mono
(2.10) for too long. All packages within Fedora that are based on
Mono have been adjusted and rebuilt, to target the 4.5 version of
the .Net framework. Mono 4 does not support solutions targeting
v1.0, v2.0 or v3.5 of .Net, but usually they can be easily upgraded
to v4.5.

Fedora 23 Beta also includes support for Unicode 8.0, which
includes new emojis, and improvements in sorting Unicode text and
processing non-ASCII URLs.


Fedora Server
-

The Fedora Server release includes a number of interesting changes
and additions.

The rolekit service now supports setting up three roles. In
addition to the previously supported Domain Controller (powered by
FreeIPA abd Database Server (powered by PostgreSQL) roles, Fedora
Server 23 features a cache server for web applications (powered by
memcached).

Rolekit can also now be used from the anaconda kickstart by passing
the `--deferred` arguments to `rolectl`. For example: `rolectl
deploy domaincontroller --name=example.com --deferred` will
instruct the system to deploy the Domain Controller role on the
next boot.

The Cockpit Admin Interface in Fedora Server has several big
improvements as well.

-   Support for SSH key authentication
-   Support for configuring user accounts with their authorized keys.
-   Basic cluster dashboard for driving Kubernetes on Fedora Server
and Fedora Atomic Host.
-   Set the imezone for your Fedora Server from the Cockpit User
Interface (UI).
-   Cockpit has also been made safe to use with multipath disks.


Fedora Workstation
--

While there's a lot going on under the hood, desktop users are also
going to find Fedora 23 Beta pretty exciting for all the obvious
goodness coming to the desktop. The easiest way to experience the
preview of these technologies is to download and try the Fedora 23
Beta Workstation edition.

Naturally, GNOME is getting an upgrade, with Fedora 23 containing a
preview of the upcoming GNOME 3.18 release, which is easier to use
than ever. There are also many enhancements on the way, such as:

-   Improvements to 

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Neal Gompa]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Dennis Gilmore  wrote:

> Fedora 23 Beta Release Announcement
> ===
>
> The Fedora 23 Beta is here, right on schedule for our planned
> October final release! Want to help make Fedora 23 be the best
> release ever, or just want to get a sneak peek? Download the
> prerelease from our Get Fedora site and give it a whirl:
>
> -   Get Fedora 23 Beta Workstation — a reliable, user-friendly, and
> powerful operating system for your laptop or desktop computer
> https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/prerelease/
>
> -   Get Fedora 23 Beta Server — make use of the very latest
> server-based technologies available in the open source community
> https://getfedora.org/en/server/prerelease/
>
> -   Get Fedora 23 Beta Cloud — build scale-out computing and utilize
> the next generation of container deployment technology
> https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/prerelease/
>
> -   Get Fedora 23 Beta Spins — alternative desktops for Fedora
> https://spins.fedoraproject.org/prerelease
>
> -   Get Fedora 23 Beta Labs — curated bundles of purpose-driven
> software and content
> https://labs.fedoraproject.org/prerelease
>
>
> What is the Beta release?
> -
>
> The Beta release contains all the exciting features of Fedora 23's
> editions in a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided
> by the Fedora QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When
> these bugs are fixed, we make a Beta release available. A Beta
> release is code-complete and bears a very strong resemblance to the
> third and final release. The final release of Fedora 23 is expected
> in October.
>
> We need your help to make Fedora 23 the best yet, so please take
> some time to download and try out the Beta and make sure the things
> that are important to you are working. If you find a bug, please
> report it – every bug you uncover is a chance to improve the
> experience for millions of Fedora users worldwide.
>
> Together, we can make Fedora rock-solid. We have a culture of
> coordinating new features and pushing fixes upstream as much as
> feasible, and your feedback will help improve not only Fedora but
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>
>
> Fedora-Wide Changes
> ---
>
> Fedora 23 includes a number of changes that will improve all of the
> editions. For example, Fedora 23 makes use of compiler flags to
> improve security by "hardening" the binaries against memory
> corruption vulnerabilities, buffer overflows, and so on. This is a
> "behind the scenes" change that most users won't notice through
> normal use of a Fedora edition, but will help provide additional
> system security.
>
> Likewise, Fedora 23 has disabled SSL3 and RC4 by default due to
> known vulnerabilities in the protocols. This means all applications
> that use GNUTLS and OpenSSL libraries have had the SSL3 protocol
> and RC4 cipher disabled.
>
> Fedora 23 comes with the latest version of Mono 4. This means a big
> improvement because we were stuck with an ancient version of Mono
> (2.10) for too long. All packages within Fedora that are based on
> Mono have been adjusted and rebuilt, to target the 4.5 version of
> the .Net framework. Mono 4 does not support solutions targeting
> v1.0, v2.0 or v3.5 of .Net, but usually they can be easily upgraded
> to v4.5.
>
> Fedora 23 Beta also includes support for Unicode 8.0, which
> includes new emojis, and improvements in sorting Unicode text and
> processing non-ASCII URLs.
>
>
> Fedora Server
> -
>
> The Fedora Server release includes a number of interesting changes
> and additions.
>
> The rolekit service now supports setting up three roles. In
> addition to the previously supported Domain Controller (powered by
> FreeIPA abd Database Server (powered by PostgreSQL) roles, Fedora
> Server 23 features a cache server for web applications (powered by
> memcached).
>
> Rolekit can also now be used from the anaconda kickstart by passing
> the `--deferred` arguments to `rolectl`. For example: `rolectl
> deploy domaincontroller --name=example.com --deferred` will
> instruct the system to deploy the Domain Controller role on the
> next boot.
>
> The Cockpit Admin Interface in Fedora Server has several big
> improvements as well.
>
> -   Support for SSH key authentication
> -   Support for configuring user accounts with their authorized keys.
> -   Basic cluster dashboard for driving Kubernetes on Fedora Server
> and Fedora Atomic Host.
> -   Set the imezone for your Fedora Server from the Cockpit User
> Interface (UI).
> -   Cockpit has also been made safe to use with multipath disks.
>
>
> Fedora Workstation
> --
>
> While there's a lot going on under the hood, desktop users are also
> going to find Fedora 23 Beta pretty exciting for all the obvious
> goodness coming to the desktop. The easiest way to experience the
> preview of these technologies is to 

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Richard Hughes]

On 22 September 2015 at 16:16, Neal Gompa  wrote:
> Looks like Fedora 23 is shaping up to be an exciting release!

It does, but not exciting enough to use HTML email. Can you switch
your email client to use text emails please.

Richard.
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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 23 Beta!

[Vít Ondruch]

Dne 22.9.2015 v 17:30 Richard Hughes napsal(a):
> On 22 September 2015 at 16:16, Neal Gompa  wrote:
>> Looks like Fedora 23 is shaping up to be an exciting release!
> It does, but not exciting enough to use HTML email. Can you switch
> your email client to use text emails please.
>
> Richard.

Content-Type: multipart/alternative

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8


You probably want to setup your email client to prefer the plain text.


Vít


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