Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Scott Talbert]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Sérgio Basto wrote:


How about handling it the same way we handle old GtkWebKit versions?
As soon as F26 is branched from Rawhide (expected in 2017-02-21),
retire this package? This would give package maintainers enough time
to get their packages fixed (about 9 months) until Fedora 27 is
released. Any package that has not been ported until then is
unmaintained or under-maintained anyway and should not be in Fedora
due to other (compatibility, stability) reasons.

The same should probably be done for qtwebkit (Qt4) and qt5-qtwebkit
(Qt5) …. Is there any procedure for this? I cannot find the F27
proposed change to remove webkitgtk and webkitgtk3 either.


Before we have any decision , we should have a map of what will be
retired , since one of the package is wxGTK3, we have wxGTK3-devel and
and wx3-GTK2-devel (which looks that still works better) and a bunch of
package depend on it , so 9 months could not be much .
Remove just gstreamer-0.10 and not all webkitgtk  and webkitgtk3 it
will IMO a bad plan , we have some good software that is still based on
it , some of them are in RPMFusion .


wxGTK3 has already moved to gstreamer 1.0.

compat-wxGTK3-gtk2 should also move to gstreamer 1.0 - I filed [1] for 
this - they can use the same patch that is used in wxGTK3.


As for the original wxGTK - well it should be retired itself.  :)  At the 
very least it could probably be rebuilt without the -media subpackage. 
It appears that only wxPerl depends on it.


[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1421920

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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Sérgio Basto]

On Ter, 2017-01-31 at 11:29 +, Christian Stadelmann wrote:
> How about handling it the same way we handle old GtkWebKit versions?
> As soon as F26 is branched from Rawhide (expected in 2017-02-21),
> retire this package? This would give package maintainers enough time
> to get their packages fixed (about 9 months) until Fedora 27 is
> released. Any package that has not been ported until then is
> unmaintained or under-maintained anyway and should not be in Fedora
> due to other (compatibility, stability) reasons.
> 
> The same should probably be done for qtwebkit (Qt4) and qt5-qtwebkit
> (Qt5) …. Is there any procedure for this? I cannot find the F27
> proposed change to remove webkitgtk and webkitgtk3 either.

Before we have any decision , we should have a map of what will be
retired , since one of the package is wxGTK3, we have wxGTK3-devel and
and wx3-GTK2-devel (which looks that still works better) and a bunch of
package depend on it , so 9 months could not be much .
Remove just gstreamer-0.10 and not all webkitgtk  and webkitgtk3 it
will IMO a bad plan , we have some good software that is still based on
it , some of them are in RPMFusion .

Best regards,
-- 
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Ms Sanchez]

On 31/01/17 11:29, Christian Stadelmann wrote:

How about handling it the same way we handle old GtkWebKit versions? As soon as 
F26 is branched from Rawhide (expected in 2017-02-21), retire this package? 
This would give package maintainers enough time to get their packages fixed 
(about 9 months) until Fedora 27 is released. Any package that has not been 
ported until then is unmaintained or under-maintained anyway and should not be 
in Fedora due to other (compatibility, stability) reasons.

The same should probably be done for qtwebkit (Qt4) and qt5-qtwebkit (Qt5) …. 
Is there any procedure for this? I cannot find the F27 proposed change to 
remove webkitgtk and webkitgtk3 either.
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Agreed. Nine months quite a lot, they should be able to update their 
packages in less time than that.



Cheers,
Sylvia


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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Christian Stadelmann]

sorry, I meant webkitgtk4 instead of gtkwebkit4.
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Christian Stadelmann]

How about handling it the same way we handle old GtkWebKit versions? As soon as 
F26 is branched from Rawhide (expected in 2017-02-21), retire this package? 
This would give package maintainers enough time to get their packages fixed 
(about 9 months) until Fedora 27 is released. Any package that has not been 
ported until then is unmaintained or under-maintained anyway and should not be 
in Fedora due to other (compatibility, stability) reasons.

The same should probably be done for qtwebkit (Qt4) and qt5-qtwebkit (Qt5) …. 
Is there any procedure for this? I cannot find the F27 proposed change to 
remove webkitgtk and webkitgtk3 either.
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Christian Stadelmann]

> exaile

They are working on a port to Gtk3/GObject including a port to Gtk3WebKit2 
a.k.a. gtkwebkit4.
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Johnny Robeson]

> beets-plugins

Beets can use gstreamer 1.x in the latest releases.


I sent this weeks ago when it was a popular topic, but my email client
was misconfigured, so it never made it.
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Heiko Adams]

I've got a radiotray package which includes patches from a pending pull
request to use gstreamer-1 instead of gstreamer:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/heikoada/xfce4-addons/package/radiotray/

Maybe someone wants to grab it and update radiotray to use gstreamer-1

Am 11.12.2016 um 14:43 schrieb William Moreno:
> I have checked the git history of exile upstream and did not seem
> gstreamer1  related work :(
> 
> El 7/12/2016 10:47 p. m., "Michael Cronenworth"  > escribió:
> 
> On 12/07/2016 05:07 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> 
>   gstreamermm-1.4.3-1.fc25 looks like already use gstreamer1
> subtitleeditor-0.53.0-1.fc25 also already use gstreamer1
> 
> 
> That's good! My initial list was run from Fedora 24 at the time.
> Here is a revised list run from Rawhide (with Python packages):
> 
> anchorman
> banshee-community-extensions
> beets-plugins
> bigloo-libs
> clutter-gst
> compat-wxGTK3-gtk2-media
> decibel-audio-player
> drawtk
> evas-generic-loaders
> exaile
> flumotion
> gcompris
> gloobus-preview
> gmediafinder
> gnome-mud
> gnomebaker
> gst-inspector
> gstreamer-ffmpeg
> gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
> gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
> gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree
> gstreamer-plugins-base
> gstreamer-plugins-base-tools
> gstreamer-plugins-good
> gstreamer-plugins-good-extras
> gstreamer-python
> gstreamer-rtsp
> gstreamer-rtsp-python
> ignuit
> iptux
> libgnome-media-profiles
> libnice-gstreamer
> 
> moodbar
> oggconvert
> perl-GStreamer
> perl-GStreamer-Interfaces
> player
> pocketsphinx-plugin
> pogo
> presence
> psimedia
> pychess
> qt-mobility-multimediakit
> radiotray
> sap
> 
> soundconverter
> sugar-clock
> sugar-memorize
> sugar-record
> sugar-speak
> turpial
> vagalume
> whaawmp
> winswitch
> wordgroupz
> wxGTK-media
> wxGTK3-media
> xfce4-mixer
> xfce4-volumed
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[William Moreno]

I have checked the git history of exile upstream and did not seem
gstreamer1  related work :(

El 7/12/2016 10:47 p. m., "Michael Cronenworth"  escribió:

On 12/07/2016 05:07 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:

>   gstreamermm-1.4.3-1.fc25 looks like already use gstreamer1
> subtitleeditor-0.53.0-1.fc25 also already use gstreamer1
>
>
That's good! My initial list was run from Fedora 24 at the time. Here is a
revised list run from Rawhide (with Python packages):

anchorman
banshee-community-extensions
beets-plugins
bigloo-libs
clutter-gst
compat-wxGTK3-gtk2-media
decibel-audio-player
drawtk
evas-generic-loaders
exaile
flumotion
gcompris
gloobus-preview
gmediafinder
gnome-mud
gnomebaker
gst-inspector
gstreamer-ffmpeg
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree
gstreamer-plugins-base
gstreamer-plugins-base-tools
gstreamer-plugins-good
gstreamer-plugins-good-extras
gstreamer-python
gstreamer-rtsp
gstreamer-rtsp-python
ignuit
iptux
libgnome-media-profiles
libnice-gstreamer

moodbar
oggconvert
perl-GStreamer
perl-GStreamer-Interfaces
player
pocketsphinx-plugin
pogo
presence
psimedia
pychess
qt-mobility-multimediakit
radiotray
sap

soundconverter
sugar-clock
sugar-memorize
sugar-record
sugar-speak
turpial
vagalume
whaawmp
winswitch
wordgroupz
wxGTK-media
wxGTK3-media
xfce4-mixer
xfce4-volumed

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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Peter Oliver]

On 10 Dec 2016 1:45 p.m., "Ralf Corsepius"  wrote:

On 12/10/2016 02:16 PM, Peter Oliver wrote:

> On 9 Dec 2016 5:02 a.m., "Kevin Kofler"  > wrote:
>
> Retiring such a library
> is a very long process and not doable within a Fedora release.
>
> Is this true?
>

You can not remove any package without a drop-in replacement in a released
version of Fedora, because it would break user installations.

I.e. you can only retire packages from rawhide.


Sorry, yes, I had misread "within a Fedora release" as "within a single
Fedora release cycle", i.e., the soonest we could drop a library would be
Fedora n+2.

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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 12/10/2016 02:16 PM, Peter Oliver wrote:

On 9 Dec 2016 5:02 a.m., "Kevin Kofler" > wrote:

Retiring such a library
is a very long process and not doable within a Fedora release.


Is this true?

Yes, it is.


 One could drop a library and it's dependants and that
would be that.
You can not remove any package without a drop-in replacement in a 
released version of Fedora, because it would break user installations.


I.e. you can only retire packages from rawhide.

Ralf
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Peter Oliver]

On 9 Dec 2016 5:02 a.m., "Kevin Kofler"  wrote:

Retiring such a library
is a very long process and not doable within a Fedora release.


Is this true?  One could drop a library and it's dependants and that would
be that.  The trouble only comes if one wants to drop a library without
dropping it's dependents, but in this case I wonder how much an extra six
months notice really helps.  Having an impending deadline seems like a
significant motivator, to me.

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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Kevin Kofler]

Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Last month there were a handful of security vulnerabilities disclosed[1]
> and upstream no longer maintains the 0.10 series. While we could patch and
> update our Fedora packages this is a perfect opportunity to retire it.

You will need to address the vulnerabilities anyway. Retiring such a library 
is a very long process and not doable within a Fedora release. This is also 
not a package like WebKit with tons of vulnerabilities. So IMHO, those 2  
security vulnerabilities are a very bad excuse for retiring the 
compatibility library.

Kevin Kofler
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Thu, 2016-12-08 at 14:24 +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
wrote:
> One important example is the Citrix Receiver for Linux[1], which
> depends on
> gstreamer-0.10:
> $ rpm -qR ICAClient|grep gst
> libgstapp-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
> libgstbase-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
> libgstinterfaces-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
> libgstpbutils-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
> libgstreamer-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
> 
> I will try and give them heads-up on their community forum[2], but I
> don't
> hold much hope. They're still using the old webkitgtk, too.

So since old WebKitGTK+ is going away, the decision to retire
gstreamer-0.10 doesn't make any difference for Citrix Receiver.

Michael
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]

On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 10:47:12PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> On 12/07/2016 05:07 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> >  gstreamermm-1.4.3-1.fc25 looks like already use gstreamer1
> >subtitleeditor-0.53.0-1.fc25 also already use gstreamer1
> >
> 
> That's good! My initial list was run from Fedora 24 at the time.
> Here is a revised list run from Rawhide (with Python packages):
> 
> anchorman
> banshee-community-extensions
> beets-plugins
> bigloo-libs
> clutter-gst
> compat-wxGTK3-gtk2-media
> decibel-audio-player
> drawtk
> evas-generic-loaders
> exaile
> flumotion

> gcompris
I recompiled gcompris with the Debian patch to move to gstreamer1.

> gloobus-preview
> gmediafinder
> gnome-mud
> gnomebaker
> gst-inspector

> gstreamer-ffmpeg
> gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
> gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
> gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree
> gstreamer-plugins-base
> gstreamer-plugins-base-tools
> gstreamer-plugins-good
> gstreamer-plugins-good-extras
> gstreamer-python
> gstreamer-rtsp
> gstreamer-rtsp-python

Those are going away, right? They can be dropped from the list.

Zbyszek

> ignuit
> iptux
> libgnome-media-profiles
> libnice-gstreamer
> moodbar
> oggconvert
> perl-GStreamer
> perl-GStreamer-Interfaces
> player
> pocketsphinx-plugin
> pogo
> presence
> psimedia
> pychess
> qt-mobility-multimediakit
> radiotray
> sap
> soundconverter
> sugar-clock
> sugar-memorize
> sugar-record
> sugar-speak
> turpial
> vagalume
> whaawmp
> winswitch
> wordgroupz
> wxGTK-media
> wxGTK3-media
> xfce4-mixer
> xfce4-volumed
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Petr Pisar]

On 2016-12-07, Michael Cronenworth  wrote:
> perl-GStreamer
> perl-GStreamer-Interfaces

No problem. We have perl-GStreamer1 as a binding for the new API and no
other package uses these two.

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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 07 Dec 2016 11:46:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

> On Wed, 2016-12-07 at 10:51 -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote:
> > soundconverter  
> 
> I use this a lot, but there is active work on it upstream and the
> active git branch (py3k) uses gstreamer 1.0:
> 
> https://github.com/kassoulet/soundconverter/
> 
> there hasn't been a stable release of the 'new generation' code though
> (which converts to python3 as well as using gstreamer 1.0).

https://launchpad.net/soundconverter/3.x
https://github.com/kassoulet/soundconverter/tree/py3k

Last time I had a look at it and 3.0.0-alpha1, it didn't work at all.
git is back to 2.9.0-beta something.

Also note that it has been non-trivial to get Soundconverter to work
reliable. Check out the %changelog. The same could happen, if upgrading
to a new release that hasn't seen lots of testing.
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski]

Hi!

On Wednesday, 07 December 2016 at 17:06, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
[...]
> Here is an approximate list of packages depending on gst-0.10. They
> themselves should be considered obsolete or retirement material as their
> upstreams may not have adopted gst-1.0. If the package doesn't have a
> gst-1.0 equivalent there may be some cases where we could patch in support
> for gst-1.0. Are there any non-Fedora software that would prevent retirement
> from being possible?

One important example is the Citrix Receiver for Linux[1], which depends on
gstreamer-0.10:
$ rpm -qR ICAClient|grep gst
libgstapp-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
libgstbase-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
libgstinterfaces-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
libgstpbutils-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
libgstreamer-0.10.so.0()(64bit)

I will try and give them heads-up on their community forum[2], but I don't
hold much hope. They're still using the old webkitgtk, too.

Regards,
Dominik

1. 
https://www.citrix.com/downloads/citrix-receiver/linux/receiver-for-linux-latest.html
2. https://discussions.citrix.com/forum/574-receiver-for-linux-13x/
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Michael Cronenworth]

On 12/07/2016 04:29 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:

-1 at least for the moment. b


Is this due to sugar? Would you accept patches?
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:53 AM, Peter Robinson  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Michael Cronenworth  wrote:
>> On 12/07/2016 04:29 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> -1 at least for the moment. b
>>
>>
>> Is this due to sugar? Would you accept patches?
>
> One of the reasons, and of course, I think if we want to actively
> retire packages we need to enage with the owners of the dependencies.

And yes, already engaging with the upstream. Just not all upstreams
have a lot of resources to chase fixes for things they see as already
working.
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Michael Cronenworth  wrote:
> On 12/07/2016 04:29 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>>
>> -1 at least for the moment. b
>
>
> Is this due to sugar? Would you accept patches?

One of the reasons, and of course, I think if we want to actively
retire packages we need to enage with the owners of the dependencies.
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Michael Cronenworth]

On 12/07/2016 05:07 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:

  gstreamermm-1.4.3-1.fc25 looks like already use gstreamer1
subtitleeditor-0.53.0-1.fc25 also already use gstreamer1



That's good! My initial list was run from Fedora 24 at the time. Here is a revised 
list run from Rawhide (with Python packages):


anchorman
banshee-community-extensions
beets-plugins
bigloo-libs
clutter-gst
compat-wxGTK3-gtk2-media
decibel-audio-player
drawtk
evas-generic-loaders
exaile
flumotion
gcompris
gloobus-preview
gmediafinder
gnome-mud
gnomebaker
gst-inspector
gstreamer-ffmpeg
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree
gstreamer-plugins-base
gstreamer-plugins-base-tools
gstreamer-plugins-good
gstreamer-plugins-good-extras
gstreamer-python
gstreamer-rtsp
gstreamer-rtsp-python
ignuit
iptux
libgnome-media-profiles
libnice-gstreamer
moodbar
oggconvert
perl-GStreamer
perl-GStreamer-Interfaces
player
pocketsphinx-plugin
pogo
presence
psimedia
pychess
qt-mobility-multimediakit
radiotray
sap
soundconverter
sugar-clock
sugar-memorize
sugar-record
sugar-speak
turpial
vagalume
whaawmp
winswitch
wordgroupz
wxGTK-media
wxGTK3-media
xfce4-mixer
xfce4-volumed
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Scott Talbert]

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, Sérgio Basto wrote:


Hi, like webkit < 3 retirement , you shouldn't repoquery with
--recursive, If I am correct .

Again after wxGTK and wxGTK3 be updated all dependencies will be
solved
automatically , also same case for wxPython , If I am correct.

Incorrect.  I was talking about gstreamer-python, not wxPython. 
Furthermore, wxGTK's gstreamer dependency is already isolated in 
wxGTK{,3}-media, so only its reverse dependencies are affected, not 
everything that uses wxGTK.


Yes, I mention wxGTK{,3} because we have other process similar to this
around webkit [1] 


Thankfully Debian already has a patch for using gstreamer-1.0 in wxGTK3, 
so I'll just update the Fedora package to use it.


Filed to remind me: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1402628

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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Sérgio Basto]

On Qua, 2016-12-07 at 10:51 -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote:
> On 2016-12-07 10:06, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > 
> > As I'm sure everyone is well aware gstreamer-0.10 is obsolete and
> > has
> > been replaced by gstreamer-1.0. An upstream release for gst-0.10
> > has not
> > been made in over 4 years. Last month there were a handful of
> > security
> > vulnerabilities disclosed[1] and upstream no longer maintains the
> > 0.10
> > series. While we could patch and update our Fedora packages this is
> > a
> > perfect opportunity to retire it.
> > 
> > Here is an approximate list of packages depending on gst-0.10. They
> > themselves should be considered obsolete or retirement material as
> > their
> > upstreams may not have adopted gst-1.0. If the package doesn't have
> > a
> > gst-1.0 equivalent there may be some cases where we could patch in
> > support for gst-1.0. Are there any non-Fedora software that would
> > prevent retirement from being possible?
> > 
> > anchorman
> > banshee-community-extensions
> > bigloo-libs
> > clutter-gst
> > compat-wxGTK3-gtk2-media
> > drawtk
> > evas-generic-loaders
> > flumotion
> > gcompris
> > gloobus-preview
> > gnome-mud
> > gnomebaker
> > gstreamer-devel
> > gstreamer-ffmpeg
> > gstreamer-plugins-bad
> > gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
> > gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
> > gstreamer-plugins-base
> > gstreamer-plugins-base-tools
> > gstreamer-plugins-good
> > gstreamer-plugins-good-extras
> > gstreamer-plugins-ugly
> > gstreamer-python
> > gstreamer-rtsp
> > gstreamer-rtsp-python
> > gstreamermm
> > gstreamermm-devel

 gstreamermm-1.4.3-1.fc25 looks like already use gstreamer1

> > ignuit
> > iptux
> > libgnome-media-profiles
> > libnice-gstreamer
> > lordsawar
> > media-explorer
> > moodbar
> > oggconvert
> > perl-GStreamer
> > perl-GStreamer-Interfaces
> > player
> > pocketsphinx-plugin
> > presence
> > psimedia
> > qt-mobility-multimediakit
> > sap
> > subtitleeditor

subtitleeditor-0.53.0-1.fc25 also already use gstreamer1 

> > vagalume
> > winswitch
> > wxGTK-media
> > wxGTK3-media
> > xfce4-mixer
> > xfce4-volumed
> There are more via the Python bindings:
> 
> beets-plugins
> decibel-audio-player
> exaile
> flumotion
> gmediafinder
> gst-inspector
> oggconvert
> pogo
> pychess
> radiotray
> soundconverter
> sugar-clock
> sugar-memorize
> sugar-record
> sugar-speak
> turpial
> whaawmp
> wordgroupz
> 
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Michael Catanzaro  wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-12-07 at 10:06 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>>  While we could patch and update our
>> Fedora packages this is a perfect opportunity to retire it.
>
> I just want to add an explicit +1 in support of this proposal. Packages
> with insecure dependencies like gstreamer-0.10 are not likely to get
> fixed anytime soon unless we go ahead and remove the dependency from
> the distro.

-1 at least for the moment. b
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Johnny Robeson]

> beets-plugins

Beets uses gstreamer 1.x in the latest release.
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2016-12-07 at 10:51 -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote:
> soundconverter

I use this a lot, but there is active work on it upstream and the
active git branch (py3k) uses gstreamer 1.0:

https://github.com/kassoulet/soundconverter/

there hasn't been a stable release of the 'new generation' code though
(which converts to python3 as well as using gstreamer 1.0).
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Simon Farnsworth]

> On 7 Dec 2016, at 18:20, Sérgio Basto  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for reply 
> 
> On Qua, 2016-12-07 at 11:56 -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote:
>> On 2016-12-07 11:49, Sérgio Basto wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, like webkit < 3 retirement , you shouldn't repoquery with
>>> --recursive, If I am correct .
>>> 
>>> Again after wxGTK and wxGTK3 be updated all dependencies will be
>>> solved
>>> automatically , also same case for wxPython , If I am correct.
>> Incorrect.  I was talking about gstreamer-python, not wxPython. 
>> Furthermore, wxGTK's gstreamer dependency is already isolated in 
>> wxGTK{,3}-media, so only its reverse dependencies are affected, not 
>> everything that uses wxGTK.
> 
> Yes, I mention wxGTK{,3} because we have other process similar to this
> around webkit [1] 
> 
>>> 
>>> What I mean is: first we should concern in --whatrequires
>>> gstreamer-
>>> 0.10 directly to understand what really is in question .
>> Anything which --whatrequires gstreamer-python is clearly affected as
>> well.
> 
> But for gstreamer-python we don't have gstreamer1-python ? so how we
> can fix the packages that have dependencies on gstreamer-python ? 
> 

We do, however, have python-gstreamer1 in both flavours (Python 2 and Python 
3), which is the extras on top of GI to make it easy to work with.

> As part of a global ideia of maintain packages, should be good have
> specialists in migrating components, in this case gstreamer0 to
> gstreamer1. 
> 
> Also do all migrations (maintain) of all the packages together could be
> more efficient (just an ideia). 
> 
> [1]
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1375846
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Michael Cronenworth]

On 12/07/2016 12:20 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:

But for gstreamer-python we don't have gstreamer1-python ? so how we
can fix the packages that have dependencies on gstreamer-python ?


Gstreamer 1.0 introduced GI support so you would port your python apps to use that 
instead.

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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Sérgio Basto]

Thanks for reply 

On Qua, 2016-12-07 at 11:56 -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote:
> On 2016-12-07 11:49, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, like webkit < 3 retirement , you shouldn't repoquery with
> > --recursive, If I am correct .
> > 
> > Again after wxGTK and wxGTK3 be updated all dependencies will be
> > solved
> > automatically , also same case for wxPython , If I am correct.
> Incorrect.  I was talking about gstreamer-python, not wxPython. 
> Furthermore, wxGTK's gstreamer dependency is already isolated in 
> wxGTK{,3}-media, so only its reverse dependencies are affected, not 
> everything that uses wxGTK.

Yes, I mention wxGTK{,3} because we have other process similar to this
around webkit [1] 

> > 
> > What I mean is: first we should concern in --whatrequires
> > gstreamer-
> > 0.10 directly to understand what really is in question .
> Anything which --whatrequires gstreamer-python is clearly affected as
> well.

But for gstreamer-python we don't have gstreamer1-python ? so how we
can fix the packages that have dependencies on gstreamer-python ? 

As part of a global ideia of maintain packages, should be good have
specialists in migrating components, in this case gstreamer0 to
gstreamer1. 

Also do all migrations (maintain) of all the packages together could be
more efficient (just an ideia). 

[1]
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1375846
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Yaakov Selkowitz]

On 2016-12-07 11:49, Sérgio Basto wrote:

Hi, like webkit < 3 retirement , you shouldn't repoquery with
--recursive, If I am correct .

Again after wxGTK and wxGTK3 be updated all dependencies will be solved
automatically , also same case for wxPython , If I am correct.


Incorrect.  I was talking about gstreamer-python, not wxPython. 
Furthermore, wxGTK's gstreamer dependency is already isolated in 
wxGTK{,3}-media, so only its reverse dependencies are affected, not 
everything that uses wxGTK.



What I mean is: first we should concern in --whatrequires gstreamer-
0.10 directly to understand what really is in question .


Anything which --whatrequires gstreamer-python is clearly affected as well.

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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Sérgio Basto]

On Qua, 2016-12-07 at 10:51 -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote:
> On 2016-12-07 10:06, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > 
> > As I'm sure everyone is well aware gstreamer-0.10 is obsolete and
> > has
> > been replaced by gstreamer-1.0. An upstream release for gst-0.10
> > has not
> > been made in over 4 years. Last month there were a handful of
> > security
> > vulnerabilities disclosed[1] and upstream no longer maintains the
> > 0.10
> > series. While we could patch and update our Fedora packages this is
> > a
> > perfect opportunity to retire it.
> > 
> > Here is an approximate list of packages depending on gst-0.10. They
> > themselves should be considered obsolete or retirement material as
> > their
> > upstreams may not have adopted gst-1.0. If the package doesn't have
> > a
> > gst-1.0 equivalent there may be some cases where we could patch in
> > support for gst-1.0. Are there any non-Fedora software that would
> > prevent retirement from being possible?
> > 
> > anchorman
> > banshee-community-extensions
> > bigloo-libs
> > clutter-gst
> > compat-wxGTK3-gtk2-media
> > drawtk
> > evas-generic-loaders
> > flumotion
> > gcompris
> > gloobus-preview
> > gnome-mud
> > gnomebaker
> > gstreamer-devel
> > gstreamer-ffmpeg
> > gstreamer-plugins-bad
> > gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
> > gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
> > gstreamer-plugins-base
> > gstreamer-plugins-base-tools
> > gstreamer-plugins-good
> > gstreamer-plugins-good-extras
> > gstreamer-plugins-ugly
> > gstreamer-python
> > gstreamer-rtsp
> > gstreamer-rtsp-python
> > gstreamermm
> > gstreamermm-devel
> > ignuit
> > iptux
> > libgnome-media-profiles
> > libnice-gstreamer
> > lordsawar
> > media-explorer
> > moodbar
> > oggconvert
> > perl-GStreamer
> > perl-GStreamer-Interfaces
> > player
> > pocketsphinx-plugin
> > presence
> > psimedia
> > qt-mobility-multimediakit
> > sap
> > subtitleeditor
> > vagalume
> > winswitch
> > wxGTK-media
> > wxGTK3-media
> > xfce4-mixer
> > xfce4-volumed
> There are more via the Python bindings:
> 
> beets-plugins
> decibel-audio-player
> exaile
> flumotion
> gmediafinder
> gst-inspector
> oggconvert
> pogo
> pychess
> radiotray
> soundconverter
> sugar-clock
> sugar-memorize
> sugar-record
> sugar-speak
> turpial
> whaawmp
> wordgroupz

Hi, like webkit < 3 retirement , you shouldn't repoquery with 
--recursive, If I am correct . 

Again after wxGTK and wxGTK3 be updated all dependencies will be solved
automatically , also same case for wxPython , If I am correct. 

What I mean is: first we should concern in --whatrequires gstreamer-
0.10 directly to understand what really is in question . 


Thanks.
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Yaakov Selkowitz]

On 2016-12-07 10:06, Michael Cronenworth wrote:

As I'm sure everyone is well aware gstreamer-0.10 is obsolete and has
been replaced by gstreamer-1.0. An upstream release for gst-0.10 has not
been made in over 4 years. Last month there were a handful of security
vulnerabilities disclosed[1] and upstream no longer maintains the 0.10
series. While we could patch and update our Fedora packages this is a
perfect opportunity to retire it.


Note that Debian has already gone through this process.  AFAICS, any 
package which is still in 'stretch' was either updated or patched for 
1.0; anything not built since 'jessie' was dropped.


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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Wed, 2016-12-07 at 10:06 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>  While we could patch and update our 
> Fedora packages this is a perfect opportunity to retire it.

I just want to add an explicit +1 in support of this proposal. Packages
with insecure dependencies like gstreamer-0.10 are not likely to get
fixed anytime soon unless we go ahead and remove the dependency from
the distro.

Michael
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Re: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Yaakov Selkowitz]

On 2016-12-07 10:06, Michael Cronenworth wrote:

As I'm sure everyone is well aware gstreamer-0.10 is obsolete and has
been replaced by gstreamer-1.0. An upstream release for gst-0.10 has not
been made in over 4 years. Last month there were a handful of security
vulnerabilities disclosed[1] and upstream no longer maintains the 0.10
series. While we could patch and update our Fedora packages this is a
perfect opportunity to retire it.

Here is an approximate list of packages depending on gst-0.10. They
themselves should be considered obsolete or retirement material as their
upstreams may not have adopted gst-1.0. If the package doesn't have a
gst-1.0 equivalent there may be some cases where we could patch in
support for gst-1.0. Are there any non-Fedora software that would
prevent retirement from being possible?

anchorman
banshee-community-extensions
bigloo-libs
clutter-gst
compat-wxGTK3-gtk2-media
drawtk
evas-generic-loaders
flumotion
gcompris
gloobus-preview
gnome-mud
gnomebaker
gstreamer-devel
gstreamer-ffmpeg
gstreamer-plugins-bad
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
gstreamer-plugins-base
gstreamer-plugins-base-tools
gstreamer-plugins-good
gstreamer-plugins-good-extras
gstreamer-plugins-ugly
gstreamer-python
gstreamer-rtsp
gstreamer-rtsp-python
gstreamermm
gstreamermm-devel
ignuit
iptux
libgnome-media-profiles
libnice-gstreamer
lordsawar
media-explorer
moodbar
oggconvert
perl-GStreamer
perl-GStreamer-Interfaces
player
pocketsphinx-plugin
presence
psimedia
qt-mobility-multimediakit
sap
subtitleeditor
vagalume
winswitch
wxGTK-media
wxGTK3-media
xfce4-mixer
xfce4-volumed


There are more via the Python bindings:

beets-plugins
decibel-audio-player
exaile
flumotion
gmediafinder
gst-inspector
oggconvert
pogo
pychess
radiotray
soundconverter
sugar-clock
sugar-memorize
sugar-record
sugar-speak
turpial
whaawmp
wordgroupz

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Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Michael Cronenworth]

Hi,

As I'm sure everyone is well aware gstreamer-0.10 is obsolete and has been replaced 
by gstreamer-1.0. An upstream release for gst-0.10 has not been made in over 4 
years. Last month there were a handful of security vulnerabilities disclosed[1] and 
upstream no longer maintains the 0.10 series. While we could patch and update our 
Fedora packages this is a perfect opportunity to retire it.


Here is an approximate list of packages depending on gst-0.10. They themselves 
should be considered obsolete or retirement material as their upstreams may not have 
adopted gst-1.0. If the package doesn't have a gst-1.0 equivalent there may be some 
cases where we could patch in support for gst-1.0. Are there any non-Fedora software 
that would prevent retirement from being possible?


anchorman
banshee-community-extensions
bigloo-libs
clutter-gst
compat-wxGTK3-gtk2-media
drawtk
evas-generic-loaders
flumotion
gcompris
gloobus-preview
gnome-mud
gnomebaker
gstreamer-devel
gstreamer-ffmpeg
gstreamer-plugins-bad
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
gstreamer-plugins-base
gstreamer-plugins-base-tools
gstreamer-plugins-good
gstreamer-plugins-good-extras
gstreamer-plugins-ugly
gstreamer-python
gstreamer-rtsp
gstreamer-rtsp-python
gstreamermm
gstreamermm-devel
ignuit
iptux
libgnome-media-profiles
libnice-gstreamer
lordsawar
media-explorer
moodbar
oggconvert
perl-GStreamer
perl-GStreamer-Interfaces
player
pocketsphinx-plugin
presence
psimedia
qt-mobility-multimediakit
sap
subtitleeditor
vagalume
winswitch
wxGTK-media
wxGTK3-media
xfce4-mixer
xfce4-volumed

Thank you,
Michael

[1] 
https://scarybeastsecurity.blogspot.com/2016/11/0day-exploit-advancing-exploitation.html

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