Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
Dne 20.2.2015 v 22:09 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications) Unfortunately, this is rather half baked, especially the Empathy integration. Why I can reply just to notifications which are just on the screen? Why I can't reply to notifications, which are already hidden in calendar popup? Moreover, once there is empathy notification, it is not obvious if next message arrived or not. I quite often miss new messages now :( Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 12:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 20.2.2015 v 22:09 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications) Unfortunately, this is rather half baked, especially the Empathy integration. Why I can reply just to notifications which are just on the screen? Why I can't reply to notifications, which are already hidden in calendar popup? Moreover, once there is empathy notification, it is not obvious if next message arrived or not. I quite often miss new messages now :( The notification rewrite was a major change, some fallout has to be expected... we're working through these items now. Revisiting chat notifications in on the todo list before 3.16. Thanks for your feedback! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
- Original Message - On 20.02.2015 22:09, Matthias Clasen wrote: I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: ... - The login screen is using Wayland ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Login_Screen_Over_Wayland) ... gdm The GNOME Display Manager https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/gdm/bugs/all Open BugsBlocking BugsClosed Bugs 263 82 kdm The KDE login manager https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/kdm/bugs/all Open BugsBlocking BugsClosed Bugs 67 30 sddm QML based X11 desktop manager https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/sddm/bugs/all Open BugsBlocking BugsClosed Bugs 14 20 lightdm Lightweight Display Manager https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/lightdm/bugs/all Open BugsBlocking BugsClosed Bugs 13 20 ... Please let us know if you see any fallout from these changes. Sure, when you intend to solve all these GDM bugs? Why don't you start with triaging them? That'll help us more than your barbs. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
Dne 9.3.2015 v 14:59 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 12:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 20.2.2015 v 22:09 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications) Unfortunately, this is rather half baked, especially the Empathy integration. Why I can reply just to notifications which are just on the screen? Why I can't reply to notifications, which are already hidden in calendar popup? Moreover, once there is empathy notification, it is not obvious if next message arrived or not. I quite often miss new messages now :( The notification rewrite was a major change, some fallout has to be expected... Understood ... One just never know what is fallout and what is feature ;) we're working through these items now. Revisiting chat notifications in on the todo list before 3.16. Thanks for your feedback! Thanks. Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
- Original Message - Dne 9.3.2015 v 14:59 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 12:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 20.2.2015 v 22:09 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications) Unfortunately, this is rather half baked, especially the Empathy integration. Why I can reply just to notifications which are just on the screen? Why I can't reply to notifications, which are already hidden in calendar popup? Moreover, once there is empathy notification, it is not obvious if next message arrived or not. I quite often miss new messages now :( The notification rewrite was a major change, some fallout has to be expected... Understood ... One just never know what is fallout and what is feature ;) Asking would be a good first start instead of calling the feature half-baked. we're working through these items now. Revisiting chat notifications in on the todo list before 3.16. Thanks for your feedback! Thanks. Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: On Feb 20, 2015 2:09 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications) - The gnome-shell theme has been refreshed - The login screen is using Wayland ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Login_Screen_Over_Wayland) - Codec installation has been integrated in gnome-software (currently this is hooked up in totem) - Nautilus has received a number of improvements ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Nautilus_Improvements) Please let us know if you see any fallout from these changes. Thanks! Matthias -- I'm nervous about GDM on Wayland; Wayland has never worked well on my systems. Can you be more specific? What kind of systems? What didn't work? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Can you be more specific? What kind of systems? What didn't work? I tested the 20150218 image in a vm and when it booted, gdm did not display the user list and there was no way to lift the screen lock. Also, I was unable to switch to another vt. I know it's not a real machine, but with the test image from a little less than a month ago, I had no such issues. When F21 came out, I had tried the wayland gnome session on an old i686 system (dual Athlon MP, GeForce 6800) with both nouvau and with the proprietary driver and the session just crashed every time. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
Same experience with gdm-3.15.90.1-1.fc23 here. I had to downgrade to gdm-3.15.3.1-4.fc22.x86_64 to be able to log in again. Nevertheless, this seems to be know issue, since there is already this [1] commit in dist-git, unfortunately the associated sources are missing so far :/ [1] http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/gdm.git/commit/?id=5c5ff1efb9b5901b5448358304091c0f9b768cad - Original Message - From: Alexander Ploumistos alex.ploumis...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:55:01 AM Subject: Re: Changes in the f22 workstation On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Can you be more specific? What kind of systems? What didn't work? I tested the 20150218 image in a vm and when it booted, gdm did not display the user list and there was no way to lift the screen lock. Also, I was unable to switch to another vt. I know it's not a real machine, but with the test image from a little less than a month ago, I had no such issues. When F21 came out, I had tried the wayland gnome session on an old i686 system (dual Athlon MP, GeForce 6800) with both nouvau and with the proprietary driver and the session just crashed every time. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Vit Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Same experience with gdm-3.15.90.1-1.fc23 here. I had to downgrade to gdm-3.15.3.1-4.fc22.x86_64 to be able to log in again. Nevertheless, this seems to be know issue, since there is already this [1] commit in dist-git, unfortunately the associated sources are missing so far :/ odd i thought i built that yesterday. something must have went wrong, will built it today [1] http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/gdm.git/commit/?id=5c5ff1efb9b5901b5448358304091c0f9b768cad - Original Message - From: Alexander Ploumistos alex.ploumis...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:55:01 AM Subject: Re: Changes in the f22 workstation On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Can you be more specific? What kind of systems? What didn't work? I tested the 20150218 image in a vm and when it booted, gdm did not display the user list and there was no way to lift the screen lock. Also, I was unable to switch to another vt. I know it's not a real machine, but with the test image from a little less than a month ago, I had no such issues. When F21 came out, I had tried the wayland gnome session on an old i686 system (dual Athlon MP, GeForce 6800) with both nouvau and with the proprietary driver and the session just crashed every time. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
Hi, On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Ray Strode halfl...@gmail.com wrote: odd i thought i built that yesterday. something must have went wrong, will built it today I guess I got distracted and didn't upload the source tarball. building now. In the meantime, you can workaround the bug by setting InitialSetupEnable=false in /etc/gdm/custom.conf --Ray -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Changes in the f22 workstation
I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications) - The gnome-shell theme has been refreshed - The login screen is using Wayland ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Login_Screen_Over_Wayland) - Codec installation has been integrated in gnome-software (currently this is hooked up in totem) - Nautilus has received a number of improvements ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Nautilus_Improvements) Please let us know if you see any fallout from these changes. Thanks! Matthias -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
Hi, On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: I'm nervous about GDM on Wayland; Wayland has never worked well on my systems. Can you talk about fallback strategies a bit? Can GDM detect when Wayland isn't working well enough to be usable, and cleanly fall back? It tries to. We do start X in a different way now when falling back (as part of the user session, instead of as root outside of the user session), so there may be bugs that need to get ironed out. It worked okay in my limited testing though (putting nomodeset on the kernel commandline on my intel based laptop) That's probably a big ask, though; presumably this can be set one way or another by the user? Right you can put WaylandEnable=false in the [daemon] section of /etc/gdm/custom.conf to skip wayland altogether. --Ray -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
On Feb 20, 2015 2:09 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications) - The gnome-shell theme has been refreshed - The login screen is using Wayland ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Login_Screen_Over_Wayland) - Codec installation has been integrated in gnome-software (currently this is hooked up in totem) - Nautilus has received a number of improvements ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Nautilus_Improvements) Please let us know if you see any fallout from these changes. Thanks! Matthias -- I'm nervous about GDM on Wayland; Wayland has never worked well on my systems. Can you talk about fallback strategies a bit? Can GDM detect when Wayland isn't working well enough to be usable, and cleanly fall back? That's probably a big ask, though; presumably this can be set one way or another by the user? --Pete -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
On 20/02/15 21:09, Matthias Clasen wrote: I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications) This does seem like an improvement, following the general improvement in notifications with each release. However I'm surprised that there is still no mention of a permanent indicator in the top bar, that notifications are present. This can be achieved with an extension, but with large changes to notifications happening now, it would seem like an ideal time to also introduce that change. If you drill down through the comments at the above URL, you get to this: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641723 thanks, Pádraig. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
