Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
Am 08.01.2015 um 00:17 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: That is kind of a basic requirement. We need to do more. We need to inform people when their release is going EOL and we also need to automatically prompt users to upgrade whenever there is a new release (ie) some integration between GNOME Software/Apper and Fedup Maybe this is part of a bigger theme (e.g. improve packager - user connection? For example AFAIK users don't get any explanation if one of their installed packages got orphaned in Fedora when upgrading. While this isn't such a big deal with Fedora (Core) where we have frequent releases this seems to be even more important for EPEL. I think by now it's pretty clear that the community is unable maintain some package versions for full length of a RH release cycle which leads to random/unpredictable major version upgrades or just completely outdated versions (which are not supported by upstream anymore, thus security issues might not be handled properly). So having a way for packagers to communicate with actual Fedora users would be a great thing. Obviously due to the more temporary(?) nature of COPR repos these seem to hit similar problems. Felix -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
Dne 8.1.2015 v 12:30 Felix Schwarz napsal(a): Am 08.01.2015 um 00:17 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: That is kind of a basic requirement. We need to do more. We need to inform people when their release is going EOL and we also need to automatically prompt users to upgrade whenever there is a new release (ie) some integration between GNOME Software/Apper and Fedup Maybe this is part of a bigger theme (e.g. improve packager - user connection? Hmm, speaking about Fedora's packages, you are right that the information about retiring is buried just in dist-git. PkgDb and fedora packages don't show much information about retiring packages. Hence I filled two RFE's to improve the situation a bit: https://github.com/fedora-infra/pkgdb2/issues/119 https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedora-packages/issues/128 But that means that also package maintainers should do better job and justify the reasons better. Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
On Jan 7, 2015 6:00 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm planning to delete https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ this week. The original description always had This COPR will be updated until Fedora 21 has been released or until the entropy death of the universe, whichever happens first. so I don't altogether feel too guilty about abandoning it. Does anyone have any objections or wants to volunteer to take it over before I delete the repo? Richard -- While recognizing the massive maintenance burden of this COPR, I suspect the majority of objections will come from the enthusiast end user type - you know, the ones that are so eager to try the new thing they read about that they blow right past the description. This COPR received a lot of publicity; fedoramagazine articles, social media, blog posts, etc. Can you work in similar signal for end users? Besides the online content, I think even an integrated warning from within the GNOME session would be cool. I could show you a dozen examples from ask.fp.o where users encounter a 404, your repo has gone away and they do not understand it. /backseatdriver --Pete -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
On 2015-01-07, 14:13 GMT, Pete Travis wrote: While recognizing the massive maintenance burden of this COPR, I suspect the majority of objections will come from the enthusiast end user type - you know, the ones that are so eager to try the new thing they read about that they blow right past the description. This COPR received a lot of publicity; fedoramagazine articles, social media, blog posts, etc. Shouldn't such COPR be part of Rawhide anyway? People who wants the bleeding edge stuff usually don't sit on F20 forever, do they? Matěj -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2015 6:00 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm planning to delete https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ this week. The original description always had This COPR will be updated until Fedora 21 has been released or until the entropy death of the universe, whichever happens first. so I don't altogether feel too guilty about abandoning it. Does anyone have any objections or wants to volunteer to take it over before I delete the repo? Richard -- While recognizing the massive maintenance burden of this COPR, I suspect the majority of objections will come from the enthusiast end user type - you know, the ones that are so eager to try the new thing they read about that they blow right past the description. Well one might think that those kind of users have updated to F21 to get the new shiny stuff anyway. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
Hi On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: /me reiterates his usual argument that we need to have a graphical fedup front-end in Workstation to help people upgrade when it's time... That is kind of a basic requirement. We need to do more. We need to inform people when their release is going EOL and we also need to automatically prompt users to upgrade whenever there is a new release (ie) some integration between GNOME Software/Apper and Fedup Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
On 7 January 2015 at 09:47, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2015 7:23 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2015 6:00 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm planning to delete https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ this week. The original description always had This COPR will be updated until Fedora 21 has been released or until the entropy death of the universe, whichever happens first. so I don't altogether feel too guilty about abandoning it. Does anyone have any objections or wants to volunteer to take it over before I delete the repo? Richard -- While recognizing the massive maintenance burden of this COPR, I suspect the majority of objections will come from the enthusiast end user type - you know, the ones that are so eager to try the new thing they read about that they blow right past the description. Well one might think that those kind of users have updated to F21 to get the new shiny stuff anyway. -- The kind of users that are always driving for the latest shiny thing, yes. The users that read about some shiny thing on the internet, were interested, and plowed through the instructions without really understanding the implications, no. I'm just suggesting a little courtesy and further instruction for the latter. In any case, there *will* be some perplexed folks out there when it gets turned off. I can share links when I see them if you like :) We have all been on the Internet long enough to know that there is a segment of users who will complain even if they had been hand delivered notes that stuff was EOL. I think just doing what you originally suggested and mailing to announce and possibly Fedora Magazine will suffice. :) -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 16:15 +, Richard Hughes wrote: On 7 January 2015 at 16:01, Bill Nottingham nott...@splat.cc wrote: While I'm not volunteeering to maintain this, I do ask - what is the reason for deleting it vs. just leaving it around in a EOL state where it's not being updated? There are a couple of packages with security bugs. Unfortunately, deleting the repo doesn't do anything to address that. Either way, anyone currently running it won't be able to update away from it (short of upgrading to Fedora 21). /me reiterates his usual argument that we need to have a graphical fedup front-end in Workstation to help people upgrade when it's time... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Matěj Cepl mc...@cepl.eu wrote: On 2015-01-07, 14:13 GMT, Pete Travis wrote: While recognizing the massive maintenance burden of this COPR, I suspect the majority of objections will come from the enthusiast end user type - you know, the ones that are so eager to try the new thing they read about that they blow right past the description. This COPR received a lot of publicity; fedoramagazine articles, social media, blog posts, etc. Shouldn't such COPR be part of Rawhide anyway? What does that even mean? The packages where in rawhide at that time. The purpose of the COPR was to provide it to people who do *not* want to run rawhide. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 03:23:27PM +0100, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2015 6:00 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm planning to delete https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ this week. The original description always had This COPR will be updated until Fedora 21 has been released or until the entropy death of the universe, whichever happens first. so I don't altogether feel too guilty about abandoning it. Does anyone have any objections or wants to volunteer to take it over before I delete the repo? Richard -- While recognizing the massive maintenance burden of this COPR, I suspect the majority of objections will come from the enthusiast end user type - you know, the ones that are so eager to try the new thing they read about that they blow right past the description. Well one might think that those kind of users have updated to F21 to get the new shiny stuff anyway. Announcing to the following should do the trick for those who haven't boarded the F21 boat: (1) announce@ (echoed to users@) (2) Fedora Magazine (echoed per usual to social media) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
Pete Travis (li...@petetravis.com) said: On Jan 7, 2015 6:00 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm planning to delete https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ this week. The original description always had This COPR will be updated until Fedora 21 has been released or until the entropy death of the universe, whichever happens first. so I don't altogether feel too guilty about abandoning it. Does anyone have any objections or wants to volunteer to take it over before I delete the repo? Richard -- While recognizing the massive maintenance burden of this COPR, I suspect the majority of objections will come from the enthusiast end user type - you know, the ones that are so eager to try the new thing they read about that they blow right past the description. This COPR received a lot of publicity; fedoramagazine articles, social media, blog posts, etc. While I'm not volunteeering to maintain this, I do ask - what is the reason for deleting it vs. just leaving it around in a EOL state where it's not being updated? We don't remove EOL releases, for example. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
On 7 January 2015 at 16:01, Bill Nottingham nott...@splat.cc wrote: While I'm not volunteeering to maintain this, I do ask - what is the reason for deleting it vs. just leaving it around in a EOL state where it's not being updated? There are a couple of packages with security bugs. Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
On Jan 7, 2015 7:23 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2015 6:00 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm planning to delete https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ this week. The original description always had This COPR will be updated until Fedora 21 has been released or until the entropy death of the universe, whichever happens first. so I don't altogether feel too guilty about abandoning it. Does anyone have any objections or wants to volunteer to take it over before I delete the repo? Richard -- While recognizing the massive maintenance burden of this COPR, I suspect the majority of objections will come from the enthusiast end user type - you know, the ones that are so eager to try the new thing they read about that they blow right past the description. Well one might think that those kind of users have updated to F21 to get the new shiny stuff anyway. -- The kind of users that are always driving for the latest shiny thing, yes. The users that read about some shiny thing on the internet, were interested, and plowed through the instructions without really understanding the implications, no. I'm just suggesting a little courtesy and further instruction for the latter. In any case, there *will* be some perplexed folks out there when it gets turned off. I can share links when I see them if you like :) --Pete -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr
I'm planning to delete https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ this week. The original description always had This COPR will be updated until Fedora 21 has been released or until the entropy death of the universe, whichever happens first. so I don't altogether feel too guilty about abandoning it. Does anyone have any objections or wants to volunteer to take it over before I delete the repo? Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
