Re: Desktop categories
Hi, On 01/16/2010 02:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 02:25 +0100, Alain Portal wrote: mode l10n=French Putain ! Mais c'est pas possible ! C'est à se cogner la tête contre les murs !!! Un vrai dialogue de sourds... /mode Please, is there a french speaking fedora developer to contact me and who could help me to tell what I want to tell. It is now clear to me that I'm not understood... Um. We understand you perfectly well. So, you understand french? Particulary this? ;-) Damnit! This is impossible! It's like banging your head against a wall! dialogue de sourds is hard to translate literally ;) We're just explaining that you do not need to add extra non-standard fields to .desktop files to make it possible to have these extra menu levels. It's entirely possible without having non-standard .desktop fields at all. Alors... Why I get no submenu in the Utility menu? Pourtant... cat /usr/share/applications/kde4/kcalc.desktop | grep Categories Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;X-KDE-Utilities-Desktop; cat /usr/share/applications/kde4/kwrite.desktop | grep Categories Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;TextEditor; cat /usr/share/applications/kde4/kbackup.desktop | grep Categories Categories=KDE;X-KDE-Utilities-File;Utility; Three applications, no relationship between its, but in the same (and only) menu, no submenu available... Because we don't set up Fedora's menu structure to have submenus, at present. But if we _did_, then you can see that kwrite could go into a 'Text Editors' submenu. kcalc and kbackup could both stand to have a standard subcategory beyond just 'utility' added to their .desktop files, I guess. The point is that the existing fd.o standard categories already have enough granularity to allow a distro to construct submenus _if it chooses to_. Exactly. Note that we had the same issue (too many apps in one menu) with the Games SIG and I created a special games-menus package, which when installed adds some additional configuration files which do sub-menu the games menu in both kde and gnome (a must have if you install lots of games). Alian, take a look at games-menu, and perhaps you can create the same for the utilities menu ? Regards, Hans -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Desktop categories
Le samedi 16 janvier 2010 06:41:36, Adam Williamson a écrit : On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 04:03 +0100, Alain Portal wrote: Because we don't set up Fedora's menu structure to have submenus, at present. These submenus existed on FC6!!! I can provide photographies (not screenshots) if you don't trust me! As I show you in my previous message with the cat command, these (sub)categories exits in each desktop file in F-12, but there isn't subsequent submenu, as there are in FC-6 I never said anything different. I said 'currently'. FC6 was a long time ago, and the default menu layout has changed. Why is that so surprising? What is so surprising is, after some investigation, there are the same /usr/share/desktop-directories/*.directory files on my FC6 and my F-12 but on my F12, there is no submenu in the Utilities menu although while there are on my FC-6. Regards, Alain -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Desktop categories
Le lundi 11 janvier 2010 09:24:28, Andrea Musuruane a écrit : On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Alain Portal alain.por...@free.fr wrote: Hi, In order to improve the desktop file of a package I maintain, I should want to know if there is a guideline for desktop file in Fedora. google donẗ help me. And Fedora 6 (KDE related) provided more sub-menu items than F-12... There is no Fedora specific guideline, we use the standard one: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-late st.html I'm sorry, I forgot to answer this :-( And I see that perhaps, I wasn't very clear in my question. I'm talking about the Categories entry. I could see in some desktop files provided by applications that some distributions (Mandriva, Suse) have their own categories, and KDE too. Examples: - X-MandrivaLinux-System-Archiving-Backup - X-SuSE-Backup - X-KDE-Utilities-File Of course, I removed the others distributions relative one, but where to find a list of KDE specific categories? Are there Fedora specific categories? Regards, Alain -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Desktop categories
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Alain Portal alain.por...@free.fr wrote: I'm sorry, I forgot to answer this :-( And I see that perhaps, I wasn't very clear in my question. I'm talking about the Categories entry. I could see in some desktop files provided by applications that some distributions (Mandriva, Suse) have their own categories, and KDE too. Examples: - X-MandrivaLinux-System-Archiving-Backup - X-SuSE-Backup - X-KDE-Utilities-File Of course, I removed the others distributions relative one, but where to find a list of KDE specific categories? Are there Fedora specific categories? For most, we use standard Freedesktop categories. A list is here: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html I think that the only exception (and it is really an add-on) it is this one: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraStudio Bye, Andrea. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Desktop categories
On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 23:04 +0100, Alain Portal wrote: A good initiative, but seems to be stillborn (stillbirth? In french : « mort- né ») as it seems to be optionnal. What I wanted to point is, as an example, my Utility menu is really too full! There are 29 applications entries in it, this is unreadable. On FC6, my Utility menu have 7 submenus: - Accessibility - Office - Text editors - Files - Devices - PIM - Others It was really more convenient... There's no need to break the upstream spec for this. It already allows you to specify the type of app at a pretty fine level (there's categories for text editors and so on). Exactly how to construct the final system menus *from* the categories defined in the .desktop file is left up to the DE / distro to decide, so Fedora could choose to have more levels in its menus if we wanted to. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Desktop categories
Le vendredi 15 janvier 2010 23:42:41, Adam Williamson a écrit : On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 23:04 +0100, Alain Portal wrote: A good initiative, but seems to be stillborn (stillbirth? In french : « mort- né ») as it seems to be optionnal. What I wanted to point is, as an example, my Utility menu is really too full! There are 29 applications entries in it, this is unreadable. On FC6, my Utility menu have 7 submenus: - Accessibility - Office - Text editors - Files - Devices - PIM - Others It was really more convenient... There's no need to break the upstream spec for this. It already allows you to specify the type of app at a pretty fine level (there's categories for text editors and so on). Exactly how to construct the final system menus *from* the categories defined in the .desktop file is left up to the DE / distro to decide, so Fedora could choose to have more levels in its menus if we wanted to. mode l10n=French Putain ! Mais c'est pas possible ! C'est à se cogner la tête contre les murs !!! Un vrai dialogue de sourds... /mode Please, is there a french speaking fedora developer to contact me and who could help me to tell what I want to tell. It is now clear to me that I'm not understood... Regards, Alain -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Desktop categories
On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 02:25 +0100, Alain Portal wrote: mode l10n=French Putain ! Mais c'est pas possible ! C'est à se cogner la tête contre les murs !!! Un vrai dialogue de sourds... /mode Please, is there a french speaking fedora developer to contact me and who could help me to tell what I want to tell. It is now clear to me that I'm not understood... Um. We understand you perfectly well. So, you understand french? Particulary this? ;-) Damnit! This is impossible! It's like banging your head against a wall! dialogue de sourds is hard to translate literally ;) We're just explaining that you do not need to add extra non-standard fields to .desktop files to make it possible to have these extra menu levels. It's entirely possible without having non-standard .desktop fields at all. Alors... Why I get no submenu in the Utility menu? Pourtant... cat /usr/share/applications/kde4/kcalc.desktop | grep Categories Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;X-KDE-Utilities-Desktop; cat /usr/share/applications/kde4/kwrite.desktop | grep Categories Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;TextEditor; cat /usr/share/applications/kde4/kbackup.desktop | grep Categories Categories=KDE;X-KDE-Utilities-File;Utility; Three applications, no relationship between its, but in the same (and only) menu, no submenu available... Because we don't set up Fedora's menu structure to have submenus, at present. But if we _did_, then you can see that kwrite could go into a 'Text Editors' submenu. kcalc and kbackup could both stand to have a standard subcategory beyond just 'utility' added to their .desktop files, I guess. The point is that the existing fd.o standard categories already have enough granularity to allow a distro to construct submenus _if it chooses to_. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Desktop categories
On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 04:03 +0100, Alain Portal wrote: Because we don't set up Fedora's menu structure to have submenus, at present. These submenus existed on FC6!!! I can provide photographies (not screenshots) if you don't trust me! As I show you in my previous message with the cat command, these (sub)categories exits in each desktop file in F-12, but there isn't subsequent submenu, as there are in FC-6 I never said anything different. I said 'currently'. FC6 was a long time ago, and the default menu layout has changed. Why is that so surprising? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Desktop categories
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Alain Portal alain.por...@free.fr wrote: Le samedi 16 janvier 2010 02:43:13, Adam Williamson a écrit : On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 02:25 +0100, Alain Portal wrote: mode l10n=French Putain ! Mais c'est pas possible ! C'est à se cogner la tête contre les murs !!! Un vrai dialogue de sourds... /mode. Alors... Why I get no submenu in the Utility menu? Pourtant... cat /usr/share/applications/kde4/kcalc.desktop | grep Categories Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;X-KDE-Utilities-Desktop; cat /usr/share/applications/kde4/kwrite.desktop | grep Categories Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;TextEditor; cat /usr/share/applications/kde4/kbackup.desktop | grep Categories Categories=KDE;X-KDE-Utilities-File;Utility; Three applications, no relationship between its, but in the same (and only) menu, no submenu available... Because we don't set up Fedora's menu structure to have submenus, at present. These submenus existed on FC6!!! I can provide photographies (not screenshots) if you don't trust me! But if we _did_, then you can see that kwrite could go into a 'Text Editors' submenu. Utilities-TextEditor kcalc Utilities-Office and kbackup Utilities-Files could both stand to have a standard subcategory beyond just 'utility' added to their .desktop files, I guess. The point is that the existing fd.o standard categories already have enough granularity to allow a distro to construct submenus _if it chooses to_. As I show you in my previous message with the cat command, these (sub)categories exits in each desktop file in F-12, but there isn't subsequent submenu, as there are in FC-6 -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel excuse me, are you using gnome? does not gnome provide a menu editor? -- Love is the law, love under will. charles zeitler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
